if we want a stateless society, why dont a team of private investors and political refugees colonize Somalia
do we get free cheezeburger in socielism?
Stranger:But the point is that I love my country. Don't you?
I've traveled a wee bit. I like my country, but in many ways, it is inferior to others I have been to. I don't feel I particularly owe it anything in the way of allegiance or loyalty.
I could learn to love a free country, regardless of the climate or geography. Being free is more important to me than acknowledging my history and the history of my ancestors with a particular state.
@all, I second the Liberty Colony idea. It's possible that an exodus may at one point be the only option left to us. The world is certainly not getting less statist. Things are moving in the wrong direction, and while choosing to stand and fight might be honourable, it's wise to pick the battles you can win. If you can't beat the state, then change the game. Plus the entrepreneurial opportunities for a Liberty Colony could be tremendous.
If you find something evil that wobbles, push it. - Gary North
Stranger: Niccolò: Yeah, gotta keep them brown people down, eh? Equality is teh evilzorz. I suppose if we don't agree that brown people are the same as children we are keeping them down. I expect that brown people would be offended by being equated with children.
Niccolò: Yeah, gotta keep them brown people down, eh? Equality is teh evilzorz.
Yeah, gotta keep them brown people down, eh?
Equality is teh evilzorz.
I suppose if we don't agree that brown people are the same as children we are keeping them down. I expect that brown people would be offended by being equated with children.
Everyone is equal to everyone, including children.
You really have a problem with recognizing sarcasm don't you?
The Origins of Capitalism
And for more periodic bloggings by moi,
Leftlibertarian.org
Niccolò: Everyone is equal to everyone, including children. You really have a problem with recognizing sarcasm don't you?
Let's give children weapons in that case.
Microsecession as a strategy for revolution | Challenge to minarchist | How would a private road system work?
To answer the question very simply we just do a cost-benefit analysis.
The American state is going to cost you a lot, but not near as much as living with religious fanatics in a place so deprived of capital and infrastructure that you would not have any of the things we take for granted. Plus the American state -- given it has a bigger military than the entire world combined -- rules the whole world anyway. I mean, they are a mafia... but like when living here, we should just work with what we can change and not what we can't.
Stranger: Let's give children weapons in that case.
I'd trust some kids with guns over someone like you.
At least these guys know who their enemies really are,
Niccolò:Because most people associate - and rightly so - the word with this, and not this,
and not this,
Rightly so?
Oh, I get it: you're trolling.
Knight_of_BAAWA: Niccolò:Because most people associate - and rightly so - the word with this, and not this, Rightly so? Oh, I get it: you're trolling.
Let's all hop on the Troll Train </sarcasm>
WARNING: This signature violates Rule 5. Stay classy!
Niccolò: Stranger: Let's give children weapons in that case. I'd trust some kids with guns over someone like you. At least these guys know who their enemies really are,
Those guns look to be made of wood. I wonder who their enemies are.
John Ess: To answer the question very simply we just do a cost-benefit analysis. The American state is going to cost you a lot, but not near as much as living with religious fanatics in a place so deprived of capital and infrastructure that you would not have any of the things we take for granted. Plus the American state -- given it has a bigger military than the entire world combined -- rules the whole world anyway. I mean, they are a mafia... but like when living here, we should just work with what we can change and not what we can't.
What?Islamists in Somalia are extraordinarily reasonable and moderate. The ICU worked because the ICU was culturally significant. Most Somalis ARE Muslims. Why shouldn't they be able to form their own system of decentralized control under the basis of their common law?
Even non-Muslim Somalis found the ICU fair and just. You're just not very well informed about this. The fact is that Somali were attacked by a combination of Ethiopian and US backed efforts to create instability in Muqdisho. Men like Maxamed Qanyare Afrax and Cabdi Xasan Cawaale (a complete political opportunist who switched from his position of chief officer for Maxamed Siyaad Barre to the position of confidant of Maxamed Faarax Caydiid) led the charge against the majority of people in Somalia who were ethnically Hawiye and supporters of the ICU - ruling under a moderate code of Sharia law.
This is not an example of "radical Islamists" messing things up. It's an example of the US messing things up around the world.
Because Somalia has no central government that is strong enough to ensure economic stability. Just think of how big a risk it is to invest in a country that is completely unstable,and prone to many horrible things.
John hoffman: Because Somalia has no central government that is strong enough to ensure economic stability. Just think of how big a risk it is to invest in a country that is completely unstable,and prone to many horrible things.
No.
It's because the US continually interferes with the affairs of other nations.
Get your effing soldiers out of the area. Put them in your own backyard to watch them tear things up.
Keep your money and go to hell, Amerika.
Are you serious?
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
Bob Dylan
Niccolò: John Ess: To answer the question very simply we just do a cost-benefit analysis. The American state is going to cost you a lot, but not near as much as living with religious fanatics in a place so deprived of capital and infrastructure that you would not have any of the things we take for granted. Plus the American state -- given it has a bigger military than the entire world combined -- rules the whole world anyway. I mean, they are a mafia... but like when living here, we should just work with what we can change and not what we can't. What?Islamists in Somalia are extraordinarily reasonable and moderate. The ICU worked because the ICU was culturally significant. Most Somalis ARE Muslims. Why shouldn't they be able to form their own system of decentralized control under the basis of their common law? Even non-Muslim Somalis found the ICU fair and just. You're just not very well informed about this. The fact is that Somali were attacked by a combination of Ethiopian and US backed efforts to create instability in Muqdisho. Men like Maxamed Qanyare Afrax and Cabdi Xasan Cawaale (a complete political opportunist who switched from his position of chief officer for Maxamed Siyaad Barre to the position of confidant of Maxamed Faarax Caydiid) led the charge against the majority of people in Somalia who were ethnically Hawiye and supporters of the ICU - ruling under a moderate code of Sharia law. This is not an example of "radical Islamists" messing things up. It's an example of the US messing things up around the world.
Islamists and "reason" does not compute.
The rest doesn't make any difference. I don't want to live in Islamic-dominated culture, even if Iran and all of the other Islamic culture "should be allowed to exist." And why would any of the rest of us that value reason and liberty, either? And if indeed the US has messed things up, which I don't doubt, it is still the case that it is not good to live there.
Niccolò:
The very first time I ran into a bunch of drugged up child soldiers was in this town called Ounaminthe in Haiti on the border with the Dominican Republic in 2001. They mugged me, but asside from that they were not so bad. But nothing is more unsettling that having a 12 year old crackhead with an old Mossberg JIC wearing a t-shirt with Bart Simpson on it that says "Don't Have a Cow Man".
To the future colonists:
Next June you should be getting detailed reasons from me why Niger and Chad would be horrible places to just move to as well. I am looking into how hard it would be to go from the Air Mountains to the Tibesti by camel. I am going to read a tourists guide to camel husbandry on the train to work tonight and I am as thrilled as a child who knows he is going to recieve a model train set for Christmas in anticipation of my vacation.
Any of the settler/colonisation advocates plan to travel to any of these places on the list soon...like Somaliland or Somalia...to check them out?
http://www.comebackalive.com/phpBB2 Travel, Adventure Travel, Arguments, Recipes.
Yes I am serious. Somalia is a horrible place where warlords reign supreme,and there is almost nothing keeping somalia from getting any better. For example the coast of somalia needs to be patrolled because there are many pirates,and agencies that dump pollution into the ocean. For example Somalia recorded its largest fish kill when a few years ago nuclear waste was dumped freely into there waters.
Furthermore the inland water is very unsafe and has all types of microbes that may cause anything from cholera to hepatitis.
it would take a massive investment in order to repair somalia,and the difficulty would be to great for any large investment firm to take on.
GilesStratton: Remind me again, why should we? In any case Somalia isn't Anarcho Capitalist really it's run by warlords and as far I know a number of groups are all fighting for control of whatever government the UN wishes to create.
Remind me again, why should we? In any case Somalia isn't Anarcho Capitalist really it's run by warlords and as far I know a number of groups are all fighting for control of whatever government the UN wishes to create.
Somalia may very well not be ideal. I understood the question in a broader sense of why dont we move somewhere else where a free society could be established. Somalia often comes to mind because most people haven't thought about other possibilities. Most people have the perception that everywhere is like the west with a well organized central government but in the midst of a poor population. Most small poor countries have much weaker political systems than most people think.
Even if you took Somalia as an example, it is really a numbers question regarding sustainability. Perhaps 100 would have a difficult time but 1000 well armed and motivated freedom lovers would be much more formidable in defending a small area against the types of forces currently in Somalia. It is not really as out of the question as you are making it appear.
If the number grew to 10,000, then you are talking a number that would probably become one of the major political players in the entire country. This is true of most places on the Liberty Colony list of possible locations.
Ludwig von Mises Institute | 518 West Magnolia Avenue | Auburn, Alabama 36832-4528
Phone: 334.321.2100 · Fax: 334.321.2119
contact@Mises.org | webmaster | AOL-IM MainMises
Mises.org sitemap