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Natalie replied on Sat, Oct 25 2008 9:02 AM

Unfortunately, the governments typically don't allow voluntary participation in their services. I supposed I could ask the statists why is that.

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Danno replied on Sat, Oct 25 2008 8:35 PM

Natalie:

Unfortunately, the governments typically don't allow voluntary participation in their services. I supposed I could ask the statists why is that.

Actually, they love voluntary participation - sometimes, they insist upon it.  It's the non-participation part that annoys them.

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Rubén replied on Sun, Oct 26 2008 9:12 AM

Health care worldwide should be refocused on prevention rather than treatment. For example, to prevent cancer by eating well, not smoking, exercising, using your mind in a way that you are not stressed out. Unfortunately, this kind of prevention is seldom covered by social security programs.

There is so much restructuring to do in so many aspects of the government and the market.... Or rethinking....

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Stranger replied on Sun, Oct 26 2008 11:30 AM

Once upon a time in China, you paid your doctor only when you were healthy.

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Sage replied on Sun, Oct 26 2008 12:15 PM

Rubén:
Health care worldwide should be refocused on prevention rather than treatment. For example, to prevent cancer by eating well, not smoking, exercising, using your mind in a way that you are not stressed out.

Free market insurance companies would do exactly this. Think about it: if their client needs surgery, they have to pay for it. The incentive structure is set up so preventative medicine is in their self-interest - they have a financial incentive to keep people healthy, otherwise they have to pay!

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Natalie replied on Mon, Oct 27 2008 1:18 PM

I had an insurance company that gave a bonus (I think up to $200) to people who were signed up with a gym.

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Misesean replied on Mon, Oct 27 2008 9:50 PM

Thanks, krazy kaju; I've been arguing this topic over on http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=60714 with a lot of socialists

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Paul replied on Tue, Oct 28 2008 5:17 AM

Misesean:

Thanks, krazy kaju; I've been arguing this topic over on http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=60714 with a lot of socialists

I read some of it, but what's the point of arguing with them?  Unless it's fun for you.

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jjrglobal replied on Tue, Oct 28 2008 7:39 PM

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally against universal care, but if we don't hurry and change this ridiculous sytem the US won't continue to be number 1 in quality. My wife is a Pediatrician, we just closed her solo practice. The 150K a year is not worth the risk to either of us. In a recent journal survey of 1000 physicians they were asked their opinion on the current condition of healthcare in the US. An astonishing 65% said that they were fed up enough with the beauracracy that they are considering leaving medicine to pursue other careers. This survey may have been on primary care providers, i don't recall, but still 65%. WOW. Asked if they would recommend Med school to their children 95% said no way. Our son just graduated and was offered  a scholarship to Baylor, he started talking about pre med, until I told him how badly I would beat him for such financial irresponsibility. He decided to be an engineer of some sort.  My point is this, by the time you spend the money and the eleven years of school and residency, who in their right mind would become a doctor? What will be the average intellect of our physicians in say, ten years? I picture someone with dirty coveralls and a red rag hanging from their pocket. "What seems to be the problem here"? I guess this is one way to control the population growth.

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Misesean replied on Tue, Oct 28 2008 8:31 PM

@Paul: not always fun, but for other people reading the thread not to fall for all the socialist crap

@liberty student: thanks, good article.

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