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Jain Daugh Posted: Sat, Sep 6 2008 1:03 PM

I join sites like this to see if I can learn anything (new) that will add something positive to my own life. Selfish?!? you bet! (and thanks for the compliment to any who think so).

Yet all that seems to be going on are "# of angels on a pin head' type debates. Haven't come across one PRACTICAL bit of information yet. Sigh.

With the U$A standing with one foot on the banana peel of hyperinflation, and the rest of the world not calling its hand because they are all doing the same blasted thing,  why are  the free thinking minds focusing on statist ideas and ways?!?  I'm NOT talking revolution here, that is impractical as well as insane as far as I am concerned. Really a waste of anyone's time and energies for very LITTLE (is any) pay back.

If you all want to work on something worth while - how about understanding sustainability realities? Apply your mathematic models and understanding of how much WHAT exists vs. how many WHO want these basics (food water fuel) and while the question of WHO OWNS those resources is valid, will that really matter if (when?) the teeter point of sustainability drops over the expotential top of the curve and avalanches a big % of population over the cliff towards lower than 3rd world living status? How would (will?) you react? Will this only be an 'inconvience' that turns into a nightmare while you are waiting for the big lie reversal that fantasy organizations promise they will do. Yea and WHY should they do that when THEY continue to sit fat and happy while the rest of the population 'adjusts' in whatever manner 'happens'. Oh and of course before things get too bleak and messy on the streets, there will always be a war to switch the focus off of immediate neighbors and put onto whatever target the mess media directed by the Powers That Be point the sheeple towards. End results are always the same - retroactive abortions (aka killing[murder] in glorious war) and sad but real miss use of precious resources - food and fuel being #1.

So what are YOU doing if anything? If its hanging here to debate 'best way to govern humans' - Good bye and good luck - Jain

 

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What's the problem?  You don't like the direction of the discussions, or you think that this is a forum of library libertarians who talk a good game but don't actually walk the walk?

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Jain Daugh:
Apply your mathematic models

What mathematical models? Are you sure you know what forum you're in?

Jain Daugh:
Haven't come across one PRACTICAL bit of information yet. Sigh.

Not one? What exactly are you looking for? That big paragraph in your post isn't very clear.

 

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Jain Daugh:

So what are YOU doing if anything? If its hanging here to debate 'best way to govern humans' - Good bye and good luck - Jain

 

What are YOU doing if anything?

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Andy replied on Sat, Sep 6 2008 2:24 PM

Hey Jain:

Are you sending a dear John Blog note of farewell to a primarily theoretical group because they are too involved in theory?  Yeah, we try to show the theory in terms that are immediately relevant, but "the price of gas" is not really the main concern.  You can learn a lot that is important here.  We're just not going to help you with your shopping.  And we're not cheerleaders for any particular political group.  If that's what you want, then you'll find more satisfaction elsewhere.  (As an intermediary step, you might really enjoy /The Road to Surfdom/ by Hayek.)

I'd ask you to consider that the stuff we're discussing on this site may be the real meat of the matter.  If you're really concerned with the future of our society, you could do much worse than to participate in this community.

Best of luck,

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liberty student:

What's the problem?  You don't like the direction of the discussions, or you think that this is a forum of library libertarians who talk a good game but don't actually walk the walk?

The latter part of your last sentence.

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Well, I agree that activism seems to be rare.  Perhaps this is the wrong spot for it.  I'm looking for activism as well.  People who are running liberty oriented businesses, people who get out in the community and promote liberty to the man on the street.

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liberty student:

Well, I agree that activism seems to be rare.  Perhaps this is the wrong spot for it.  I'm looking for activism as well.  People who are running liberty oriented businesses, people who get out in the community and promote liberty to the man on the street.

Well that's great, but the man on the street doesn't care about liberty, sorry to say.

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"

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Jain Daugh:
Apply your mathematic models

What mathematical models? Are you sure you know what forum you're in?

OK, not mathematical models - but really doesn't basic math and/or accounting have any place in economics? Is it all about theory? If so maybe that's why economists mainly end up either teaching economics or working in government jobs instead of tackling the real business cycle - financial inverstment or business consulting?

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Have been living debt and energy independent for many years now. Putting our surplus funds into investment as best one can in the regulated economy that we live under, including investing in having and maintaining life basics instead of being dependant on needing to have those supplied just to maintain life as we currently know it.

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Jain Daugh:

OK, not mathematical models - but really doesn't basic math and/or accounting have any place in economics? Is it all about theory? If so maybe that's why economists mainly end up either teaching economics or working in government jobs instead of tackling the real business cycle - financial inverstment or business consulting?



I think those major players who are mostly responsible for the gravity of business cycles know quite well what they are doing. After all, somebody at the receiving end always benefits from it. Thus, working as a business consultant for them would be like trying to teach a lion not to kill gazelles.


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GilesStratton:
Well that's great, but the man on the street doesn't care about liberty, sorry to say.

I didn't two years ago.  Now I wake up every day with eyes like diamonds and fire in my belly to see liberty in my lifetime.

So you're wrong.  The man on the street when presented with the case for liberty, just might choose it.

Of course, if you're American, I can understand your cynicism.

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liberty student:

GilesStratton:
Well that's great, but the man on the street doesn't care about liberty, sorry to say.

I didn't two years ago.  Now I wake up every day with eyes like diamonds and fire in my belly to see liberty in my lifetime.

So you're wrong.  The man on the street when presented with the case for liberty, just might choose it.

Of course, if you're American, I can understand your cynicism.

Let me add in another word.

 

GilesStratton:
Well that's great, but the average man on the street doesn't care about liberty, sorry to say.

 

 

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GilesStratton:
Let me add in another word.

GilesStratton:
Well that's great, but the average man on the street doesn't care about liberty, sorry to say.

Sure, add in words.  Maybe I can play on one foot with both arms behind my back too!

I'm below average, so again, I think you're incorrect.  Someone who is below average can grasp this, then someone who is average surely can.  The trick is to appeal to his best interests.

I've read a lot of excuses on this board for doing nothing, but you are certainly taking a very creative approach to it.

 

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caburlingame:

Are you sending a dear John Blog note of farewell to a primarily theoretical group because they are too involved in theory?  Yeah, we try to show the theory in terms that are immediately relevant, but "the price of gas" is not really the main concern. 

If this group is ONLY about theory - that's sad because there's a lot of intelligence going to waste. And how can you study 'business cycles' and NOT be concerned about 'the price of gas'?!? What do you study those cycles for then? Or is that why economists either teach economics or end up working in government (political) jobs rather than being productive in industry?

caburlingame:

We're just not going to help you with your shopping.

Thanks for the thought, but I really don't need your assistance with shopping - I could probably out 'bargain' most people here already. And I have plenty of goods to show for that too. Wink

caburlingame:

And we're not cheerleaders for any particular political group.  If that's what you want, then you'll find more satisfaction elsewhere.  (As an intermediary step, you might really enjoy /The Road to Surfdom/ by Hayek.)

For sure there isn't A political group here - in fact what puzzles me most is so many who proport to appreciate anarchy yet still default to political processes for which they don't believe in or want to promote? Is the only way to 'have' anarchy is to have it 'granted' by a (political) majority?!? That doesn't seem to make much sense or even have a chance to be achieved!

As for Hayek, I'm pretty sure I read it sometime back, but it didn't have as much impact on my life as Harry Browne's books did. And in light of the 'economic' mess that the U$A is into more and more these days, would you make such a suggestion to read that book if you both were in Germany circa 1920's?

 

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Tell me then, What do you suggest? Be specific now.

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liberty student:

Well, I agree that activism seems to be rare.  Perhaps this is the wrong spot for it.  I'm looking for activism as well.  People who are running liberty oriented businesses, people who get out in the community and promote liberty to the man on the street.

Well that's great, but the man on the street doesn't care about liberty, sorry to say.

Actually I think the man on the street fears liberty as that would require him to be a mature, responsible and self supporting person? I also believe that activism starts mainly with each person doing what they can to LIVE free, not look to others to 'provide' it for them.

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No, not unless one is using maths to illustrate a point. If one wishes to advise a business using mathematical modelling, then they should take a course in that. Economics is the pure theory of how market economies work (and praxeology more generally is the pure, formal theory of the consequences of human action.) What an economist could do in a free society is an interesting question, but it is irrelevant to what is the nature of economic reasoning.

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