haha, nice!
That, is, AWESOME.
If you find something evil that wobbles, push it. - Gary North
I see and understand the humor, but a twist may be looming for the Golden Geriatrics - 'means testing'. In otherwords - if one has the means (assets) to support oneselves, then SS will be 'denied' to you. Forget the fact that none were given a CHOICE of whether to participate in this Ponzi scam or NOT. And how about a TRUE inflation index instead of the political B$ that trys to tell us that we are millionaires?!? Yea there are more zeros on prices and bigger denomation dollars in our wallets these days, but we all know those aren't worth as much as the smaller bills were 30 or 40 years ago!!
I plan on collecting my SS as soon as I can apply for it. And don't forget that those receiving SS now PAID for their parent's SS too. FDR's 'retirement' plan sounded soooo good to them! (phooey safety nets!!)
Jain
Jain Daugh:I plan on collecting my SS as soon as I can apply for it. And don't forget that those receiving SS now PAID for their parent's SS too. FDR's 'retirement' plan sounded soooo good to them! (phooey safety nets!!)
So, I guess, since you had people steal from you so old people didn't have to actually work for a living, you are now going to steal from me so you don't have to work for a living. You are a thief if you take SS, and all you're doing is rationalizing thievery. You would get out of this Ponzi scheme in a minute if you could... while you're on the paying end. Once it starts working in your favor, though, you participate voluntarily.
That's how the state gets us to incriminate ourselves. They seize control of so many jobs, industries, services, you have no choice but to pay in under threat of violence, and then when you are weakest, they have a monopoly on what you need, so you compromise and suck from the state's cancerous teat.
JCFolsom: Jain Daugh:I plan on collecting my SS as soon as I can apply for it. And don't forget that those receiving SS now PAID for their parent's SS too. FDR's 'retirement' plan sounded soooo good to them! (phooey safety nets!!) So, I guess, since you had people steal from you so old people didn't have to actually work for a living, you are now going to steal from me so you don't have to work for a living. You are a thief if you take SS, and all you're doing is rationalizing thievery. You would get out of this Ponzi scheme in a minute if you could... while you're on the paying end. Once it starts working in your favor, though, you participate voluntarily.
Am I the person coercing you into paying SS? I think not. And besides, you would like to deprive me of my doing my best to bankrupt a corrupt system?!? I think is the most effective way to make a point that the mantra of socialism (to each according to their needs, from each according to their abilites) is phooey and the answer is to be sooooo needy that the 'pot' becomes empty .
It seems that YOU want ME to relieve you of having to pay at MY expense? Isn't that a form of theft too? Would you make the same comments if I was talking about an annunity I paid into?
i'd gladly give up any 'claim' against SS if I would then be absolved from paying income taxes instead - and I make VERY little too.
Picture of the month, by far.
IRShenchmanJon:
Finally! a symbol that really represents what it 'stands' for!! Thanks for the great grin maker Jon!
JCFolsom:So, I guess, since you had people steal from you so old people didn't have to actually work for a living, you are now going to steal from me so you don't have to work for a living. You are a thief if you take SS, and all you're doing is rationalizing thievery. You would get out of this Ponzi scheme in a minute if you could... while you're on the paying end. Once it starts working in your favor, though, you participate voluntarily.
Meh, same old tired argument.
If you use {public roads/SS/public schools} even though it is forced upon you then you are justifying the system which does the taking.
You are a thief if you use public roads, and all you're doing is rationalizing thievery.
There are alternatives to using SS money, like, oh being fiscally responsible and saving your damn money. If you don't use public roads, you are essentially trapped on your own property... if you have any. Nice rationalizing though, hypocrite.
Taking welfare, using roads, whatever, is most certainly not theft.
JCFolsom: There are alternatives to using SS money, like, oh being fiscally responsible and saving your damn money. If you don't use public roads, you are essentially trapped on your own property... if you have any. Nice rationalizing though, hypocrite.
I find your reply distasteful JC mainly because you resorted to name calling. I honor your opinion about A.Coward's comments, but I find your delivery harsh.
Yes, the alternative of saving and being fiscally responsible is the better way to manage one's life. And that was what mankind did prior to FDR's ponzi scam writ law. Hubby & I have done just that and could continue to live a 'good' (little) life if SS crashed and wasn't available to us. But mean while, we are being 'robbed' of our hard earned money via inflation. You may call it a rationalization to say that our collecting SS is SMALL payback for what has been taken, yes taken, from us, but integrity doesn't buy a blasted thing at the grocery store. I think of our decisions and actions as 'fighting' in the battle for economic life in the face of that same life being sucked dry by faux-economic smoke and mirrors that wears a socialistic dress.
The neat part is that you doing things your way and me doing things my way create diveristy and one or both of us will survive this battle. Carry your banner high and see what it gains you - good luck :) :)
scineram: Taking welfare, using roads, whatever, is most certainly not theft.
I agree with you to a point - none of us are DIRECTLY 'taking' from another. But government is taking and re-distibuting that as fits ITS needs. Roads have long been viewed as a valid government ONLY service. But I think that right of way in inherent in property ownership. Think about it, if I want to be able to 'go' off my land, then I will be needing to 'cross' someone else's land to do so. If I don't honor others use on my land, why would I think that I should be allowed that on theirs?!? Mutual respect and honoring of others (overlapping?) needs is the reality of human existance. Government is an 'in-between' service that breaks the links of cause and effect all the while self justifying that it provides a needed service because people can't get along. And while it may be true that people have a lousy track record for peaceful co-existence, its harder to deny someone to their face than by using the bully-boy of someone in a uniform. SS is a government program. How anyone 'fights' that is admirable in my eyes.
JCFolsom:There are alternatives to using SS money, like, oh being fiscally responsible and saving your damn money.
Well, you see, the government has taken over that job for me to the tune of 15.3% of my income which just so happens to be the exact amount that pushes me over the line of 'fiscal responsibility'.
It's like the old argument 'the rich don't need SS'...they damn sure needed it when it was deducted from their paycheck all their working life.
JCFolsom:If you don't use public roads, you are essentially trapped on your own property...
Oh...
So it's ok for you to enjoy the fruits of government theft as long as it is a monopoly?
Or perhaps it would be irrational to refuse to use the services the State forces on you even though you don't agree with the way it's funded?
I'm having a hard time seeing how your use of public services is any less hypricritical than my use of public services.
Anonymous Coward:So it's ok for you to enjoy the fruits of government theft as long as it is a monopoly?
There are two differences, here. First off, my money is being confiscated, right now, along with other people's to pay for that road. This differs from SS, where the money you paid in is already long spent, and it is only working people's money you collect.
Secondly, that's not how I see it. I see myself hemmed in, on all sides, by lands the tyrants claim as their own. I am trapped, and even if I were not "allowed" to use the roads, I would still do so in defiance of the system. Can you really not see the difference between the two situations. It is land; it may be they who claim it, and slapped asphalt on it, but that does not change my essential freedom of movement, which I retain by right whether or not government acknowledges it and claims the only means to do so.
On the other hand, you actually need to apply and cash checks from people who steal the money "for you" essentially at gunpoint, and justify it by saying, "hey, they robbed me before, too, essentially at gunpoint. So, fair's fair! Two wrongs make a right!"
Ok that's nice and everything but what about the fact that government action makes it impossible for people to save enough for their retirements and are therefore required to use SS?
The two are not different, you can't move without using government roads, somebody can't live without SS.
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
Bob Dylan
No. It is possible to both live and save, even with taxes stealing from you. You may have to make some sacrifices, and indeed, it is your responsibility to do so. Of course, where you get the right to stop working at some age, I don't know. It's just arbitrary to be able to "retire" at 62 or 65. Take care of your health, take care of your finances, work to present yourself well and get useful skills, and you can support yourself. Or, are you claiming that you live at bare subsistence and still can't save? Every luxury you buy, without saving such that you could live without benefiting from extortion, is stealing from those you know will be thus extorted.
JCFolsom:No. It is possible to both live and save, even with taxes stealing from you. You may have to make some sacrifices, and indeed, it is your responsibility to do so
Why don't you buy a farm and live off what you produce, you'd have to give some stuff up, but as you avoid government roads it's your responsibility to do so.
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