Lisa Hayes:Where does the employer get the right to deny his or her workers decent working conditons?
Where does the landlord get the right to deny my demand for a different bathtub?
Lisa Hayes:Where does the employer get the right to machine gun his workers if they decide to try and form a union
He doesn't; he merely gets the usurped authority from the government.
Lisa Hayes:Not every one can simply afford to quit there job and find a new one. Leaveing one job for another job is not automatic procces.
And somehow this creates a positive obligation on the part of the employer as a positive right of the worker? Non sequitur/petitio principii.
Robber Barons is an incorrect term.
In the middle ages, Robber Barons were petty lords on continental Europe who charged tolls to allow merchants to cross their domains. They were rent seekers, not merchants. If anyone today resembles robber barons it is the politicians, not businessmen.
Lisa Hayes: Where does the employer get the right to deny his or her workers decent working conditons?
Where does the employer get the right to deny his or her workers decent working conditons?
It is his property and he can do with it as he sees fit. But if he cares about getting workers, he best have decent working conditions.
Lisa Hayes: Where does the employer get the right to machine gun his workers if they decide to try and form a union?
Where does the employer get the right to machine gun his workers if they decide to try and form a union?
He/she doesnt have that right, but he/she does have the right to get them the hell off his/her property.
"The plans differ; the planners are all alike"
-Bastiat
Lisa Hayes: Not every one can simply afford to quit there job and find a new one. Leaveing one job for another job is not automatic procces.
Not every one can simply afford to quit there job and find a new one. Leaveing one job for another job is not automatic procces.
Finding qualified, trained/trainable labour isn't exactly automatic either. Good employees don't grow on trees, that is why they make a premium over their coworkers, or leave and start their own businesses.
If you find something evil that wobbles, push it. - Gary North
I am well aware of how the governent interviened sometimes in order to restore order and put down workers who were supposedly violating property rights. If a riot gets out of hand than perhaps the government should get involved in order to restore order. In any event sometimes the government did not get involved and sometimes the private sector would hire there own security forces in the first place to restore order.Even today this happens.
For example in columbia Coca-Cola has often times hired thugs with guns to assinate labour leaders,or get rid of workers who are attempting to unionize.
In any event lets pretend that the Robber Barons never took the law into there own hand,and instead relied on the government to break up strikes. Because even if only the government got involved you would still need to explain why the workers were so unhappy with there working conditions.
Why did the Workers riot in the first place?
//He/she doesnt have that right, but he/she does have the right to get them the hell off his/her property.//
Since when did you get decide who has the right to X or not do X.
Since when does anyone have the right to tell someone to get off my property and enforce that right with the threat of force?
Lisa Hayes:I am well aware of how the governent interviened sometimes in order to restore order and put down workers who were supposedly violating property rights.
Then you know that your entire premise has failed.
Lisa Hayes: I am well aware of how the governent interviened sometimes in order to restore order and put down workers who were supposedly violating property rights. If a riot gets out of hand than perhaps the government should get involved in order to restore order. In any event sometimes the government did not get involved and sometimes the private sector would hire there own security forces in the first place to restore order.Even today this happens. For example in columbia Coca-Cola has often times hired thugs with guns to assinate labour leaders,or get rid of workers who are attempting to unionize. In any event lets pretend that the Robber Barons never took the law into there own hand,and instead relied on the government to break up strikes. Because even if only the government got involved you would still need to explain why the workers were so unhappy with there working conditions. Why did the Workers riot in the first place?
Because they wanted a free lunch and thought theft and violence was a good way to get it.
Lisa Hayes: Since when does anyone have the right to tell someone to get off my property and enforce that right with the threat of force?
That's precisely what a property right is.
Diminishing Marginal Utility - IT'S THE LAW!
Lisa Hayes://He/she doesnt have that right, but he/she does have the right to get them the hell off his/her property.// Since when did you get decide who has the right to X or not do X.
Ok then, let's play it your way. How do you think rights obtain?
Lisa Hayes:Since when does anyone have the right to tell someone to get off my property and enforce that right with the threat of force?
So you don't think you have the right to tell someone not to hit you? Interesting. Let me beat the crap out of you and see how that works for you, ok? We'll see just how fast you change your tune, hypocrite.
Lisa Hayes: //He/she doesnt have that right, but he/she does have the right to get them the hell off his/her property.// Since when did you get decide who has the right to X or not do X. Since when does anyone have the right to tell someone to get off my property and enforce that right with the threat of force?
In that case, you wouldn't mind if I came and took the computer you are typing on. After all, since when did you get the right to decide who has the right to do x or not to do x.
One could ask you that too, since you're the one making grandiose moral claims here. You're the one who has the burden of proof here and don't evey try wriggle out of it. You're the one claiming you have a right to dictate how others may make use of their bodies and by extension their property. Please don't pretend to be on some moral high ground when you're not.
Wait, so can I come right now into your room, smash it up, recite Shakespeare or do whatever I want or will you object? If the latter, you're being a dishonest socialist hack.
-Jon
To darkness I condemn you...
I agree,but employers can be inovated by employing labor saving devices in order to reduce the need for labor. A famous example of this is the cotton gin.
leave and start theire own businesses?
Not everyone can do that,or is skilled enough to do so. More importantly though not everyone earns enough to do such a thing.
Lisa Hayes:Finding qualified, trained/trainable labour isn't exactly automatic either. Good employees don't grow on trees, that is why they make a premium over their coworkers, or leave and start their own businesses. I agree,but employers can be inovated by employing labor saving devices in order to reduce the need for labor. A famous example of this is the cotton gin. leave and start theire own businesses? Not everyone can do that,or is skilled enough to do so. More importantly though not everyone earns enough to do such a thing.
Sucks to be them.
And on a side note: would it trouble you to learn proper quoting procedures?
//You're the one claiming you have a right to dictate how others may make use of their bodies and by extension their property.//
No i am not. All i am saying is that the Robber Barons mistreated there workers.
The funny thing is it is probably her (his?) cherished "regulatory" and "welfare" schemes that are to blame for it in the first place...
Go back and read your own posts, then. BTW, implicit in the way you use the notion of mistreatment you are asserting one has the right not to be mistreated. Thus your question continues to ring hollow.
<Sucks to be them.>
Yes i know it must suck to be apart of the large portion of the population.
Ok: bored now. Troll too dumb to feed any further.
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