I pulled this off of another forum, this one guy is really good at pulling numbers to back up how "UHC is the best policy from an economic standpoint"
"Don't start in with this Ayn Rand "force" bullsh*t, I'm not going to entertain this stupidity. UHC is the best policy from an economic standpoint, whether or not people have a "right" to it does not interest me, and is not related to its superiority as a public policy. Why don't you try debating some of the real points I've raised with regards to UHC rather than try to shoehorn the debate into this pseudo-philosophical neverland."
He is good with stats and numbers from all over the web, he would make a good politician, "whether or not people have a "right" to it does not interest me", or better yet a dictator!
What's UHC?
Universal hamster collusion?
Does he mean "universal healthcare"?
You don't have to be a Randian to understand that universal healthcare on the order of that which is promised, is a metaphysical impossibility. Do I get demerits for using the word "metaphysical" ?
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David Z
"The issue is always the same, the government or the market. There is no third solution."
Universal healthcare. Do you have a link?
Market anarchist, Linux geek, aspiring Perl hacker, and student of the neo-Aristotelians, the classical individualist anarchists, and the Austrian school.
Universal HAMSTER Capitalization.
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Steve1225:He is good with stats and numbers from all over the web, he would make a good politician, "whether or not people have a "right" to it does not interest me", or better yet a dictator!
Just tag him for now, and we'll mark him down for re-education after the agorist rebellion.
Wait, isn't the whole argument in favor of universal health care that people have a right to health care?
Economically speaking I think they would fail because the current socialized services are paid from a set schedule determined by the government at less than market rates so the rest of the people who have to buy their own health insurance end up subsidizing the government programs through higher insurance premiums. Pity the fool who has to pay cash, they get robbed blind because they don't buy in bulk.
You can compare the current system to any proposed socialized system but this doesn't mean a socialized system is economically better than an unhampered market because the current system is anything but. Over 50% of all health care is provided by government programs IIRC.
I think the worst way a libertarian can argue against government health care is to be against "universal health care" just because the socialists call it that. It's semantics but for a bleeding heart "liberal" it sounds very cold. Every human has a right to find the health care best for them.
Can you post some of his economics behind government health care? That would blow the doors down on all we knew about economics.
First of all, this guy is an arrogant imbecile with a dictator's mentality, and is very poor at expressing himself, so he's not really politician material even. Too crude to do that. Second of all, what are his statistics of? A comparison of one statist system (e.g. the US') to another? Has he enumerated the numerous flaws of UHC systems, or has he hidden this? Is he just throwing statistics about or has he got any real arguments? If he's saying, for example, it's "cheaper" because it's subsidized, this is obviously a bullshit argument in favour of it economically. When someone "refuses" to entertain stupidity, refuse to entertain theirs either. He's just a grunt. Had he superior breeding, he'd ask you to just separate economic from ethical analysis, politely.
-Jon
To darkness I condemn you...
Am I just supposed to take his arguments as fact, or can we actually see them. What is the link? Any comparison between the US and a European Health care is not an argument for UHC. It is an argument against what we have in the US, which is not even close to capitalist healthcare. Many libertarians would argue that UHC would be better than what we have currently in the US.
here is the debate, it is on facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/board.php?uid=50180785257
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