liberty student: As I understand it, the "case" is a hypothetical.
As I understand it, the "case" is a hypothetical.
I honestly can't tell at this point.
I highly doubt it, though I'll let MaxLiberty answer that himself.
-Jon
I cannot be caged. I cannot be controlled. Understand this as you die, ever pathetic, ever fools.
Irenicus' Diaries.
I'm pretty sure. M.L. is just frustrated. This can be a frustrating forum.
I would make a great bureaucrat. Wanna see? Click here. It's fun.
liberty student: M.L. is just frustrated. This can be a frustrating forum.
M.L. is just frustrated. This can be a frustrating forum.
Aye.
No joke.
Maxliberty: Yes, I was waiting for the first evolutionary anarchy types to appear. If we are evolving toward anarchy then clearly I am not entitled to be free now. Apparently I have to wait until we have reached some stage in the evolution before I can assert my individual freedom. We are not evolving towards anarchy. The State grows stronger every day. Every day we are idle lessens the chance of liberty not enhances it. The anarchy evolutionists are yet another group that misleads the freedom movement. Do you console yourself in your servitude that you are part of the evolutuionary process? That maybe someday, when enough posts are made on the internet that you might be free? Either you are meant to be free or not and that condition does not change with time. The evolutionary anarchist only serves the purposes of perpetuating the state.
Yes, I was waiting for the first evolutionary anarchy types to appear. If we are evolving toward anarchy then clearly I am not entitled to be free now. Apparently I have to wait until we have reached some stage in the evolution before I can assert my individual freedom. We are not evolving towards anarchy. The State grows stronger every day. Every day we are idle lessens the chance of liberty not enhances it.
The anarchy evolutionists are yet another group that misleads the freedom movement. Do you console yourself in your servitude that you are part of the evolutuionary process? That maybe someday, when enough posts are made on the internet that you might be free?
Either you are meant to be free or not and that condition does not change with time. The evolutionary anarchist only serves the purposes of perpetuating the state.
I am not on that believes in a" theory" of history or any of that crap, but based on how you view that the State is the longest form of civilization, you disregard the slow withering away of the State. If you look and use history as evidence for a theory that the State is superior, how can you possibly ignore the collapse of empires, and communist regimes that fall apart. Why has there been any change of States if it is superior? Why are we not in the feudal states of the middle ages?
The Republic is the pure sage that proves the State is declining. We now disperse power among all people because a Monarchy can not exist for long time. It used to though. People are starting to revolt against the State. Things always get worse before they get better. And I am no optimist about the decline of the State. I want my freedom now! All I can do is fight!! But the belief that because something has existed means that it is optimal, is what really "misleads the freedom movement". I am not so blind to think that I will be free someday during my life. But I do know that this is NOT OPTIMAL!!! So why not go down fighting?
History is the State's enemy. As long as evidence can be pointed to that what is now, used to not be, the State's case is undermined. That's why in 1984 the State changes history and eliminates knowledge. The historicist argument for the State fails. The State was never a choice for people. The State was created through nothing but conquest and robbery. The fact that power grows is nothing but human nature. The appeal to the lack of pain within a State or with the little liberty we have left is nothing but an excuse for mediocrity and resignation against the State. Anarchy is not something that will pop out of nowhere, it will happen because people fight for it. Except when one says "it has always been like this, and this is the best", people will not fight for something they feel is oppressive to them, because it is inevitable that the State will grow. So why should they fight, in fact, they should help the State because then they will always have a job.
Democracy is nothing more than replacing bullets with ballots
If Pro is the opposite of Con. What is the opposite of Progress?
Knight_of_BAAWA: Maxliberty:In your mind, is there an alternative to the state that exists right now? Yes: anarchy. That some people are unimaginative is not my problem.
Maxliberty:In your mind, is there an alternative to the state that exists right now?
Yes: anarchy.
That some people are unimaginative is not my problem.
Anarchy? Do you mean where this is being practiced with the realistic goal of replacing the state? Show me one place where you think this is being practiced. Just because you would like there to be an alternative does not make it so.
Nitroadict:Agreed; this is why as of late, I view Statism as a key part in the evolution of anarchism, if that makes any sense.
Yet you claim you are not an evolutionary anarchist.
Nitroadict:Your accusation of me being a lazy eventualist merely highlights your desperate argument for the sake of argument itself. The function this forum & others serve are very similar if not the modern day versions of when colleagues would gather around the fireplace with a cup of tea to discuss theory, so get off of your high horse, because all you are seeing is discussion taking place, not the offline actions of the individuals. Hasn't this been addressed before? I guess making generalizations is far more easier than actually doing any research. Perhaps you would more pleased with a YouTube channel that displayed forum members actually taking action? Or are you going to suggest that joining your Liberty Colony the only way of "getting things done"?
What I do say quite clearly is that only action will change things. Your pointless fireside chats with your friends patting yourself on your back about how brilliant you think you are serve no purpose. The intellectual elitist usually retreats from action because it requires real effort and risk. What research do you propose? What do you think you have added to the research of freedom? What is the purpose of the research? Knowledge without action has no value. If your research has led you to the truth that the state is immoral and has no legitimate role in your life then the only question is what to do about it? .......As usual from the intellectual elitist.......deafening silence in response.
liberty student: I'm pretty sure. M.L. is just frustrated. This can be a frustrating forum.
I am not frustrated my friend. I am here to agitate. I am here to stir the stale cauldron of the intellectual elitists of the freedom movement.
Is that a codeword for trolling?
Knight_of_BAAWA:Yes: anarchy. That some people are unimaginative is not my problem.
Maxliberty:Anarchy? Do you mean where this is being practiced with the realistic goal of replacing the state?
No.
And show me that it matters if it's being practiced right now. Show it or admit that you're using a red herring.
Maxliberty:I am not frustrated my friend. I am here to agitate. I am here to stir the stale cauldron of the intellectual elitists of the freedom movement.
Yeah, me too. And it's frustrating!
Knight_of_BAAWA:And show me that it matters if it's being practiced right now. Show it or admit that you're using a red herring.
Your standard is that you demand proof that words and action are not equal in result, effect or meaning?
Isn't this a priori knowledge?
I believe you are misusing the term red herring.
liberty student:Your standard is that you demand proof that words and action are not equal in result, effect or meaning?
Nope.