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Silver currency in Mexico?

Latest post Thu, Jul 10 2008 9:17 PM by CorporateGhost. 7 replies.
  • Fri, Jul 4 2008 5:39 PM

    Silver currency in Mexico?

    The following is a 2005 article(couldn't find anything more recent in english) , but the initiative of adopting silver as currency along with fiat paper money is being discussed in the present legislature in Mexico and its being getting some supporters from bureaucrats and  the media. I wanted to know your thoughts on that.

    Mexico Mulls Silver Lining Against Currency Crash




    Mexico City - An influential Mexican businessman wants to reintroduce silver coins as legal currency - as in Mexico's 16th century heyday - and, far-fetched as it may sound, the idea is winning support.

    The Senate has already passed the initiative, and the lower house is expected to vote soon on the bill, which has struck a nerve in a country where decades of financial crisis have fomented a deep distrust of paper currency.

    The central bank opposes the plan as anachronistic.

    Hugo Salinas Price, founder of the specialty retailer Elektra, says silver could be the shield to protect Mexicans' savings from another currency collapse.

    "The idea was born from the need to protect the currency," said Price, whose son, Ricardo Salinas, is chief executive of Mexico's No. 2 broadcaster, TV Azteca.

    Mexico's peso is stable now, and has actually strengthened of late, but fear of currency collapse is etched deep in the Mexican psyche after previous financial crises.

    Mexico was a top supplier of silver coins during the colonial era, when they were significant components of the Spanish and British treasuries. The minting of coins in the New World began in 1535 in Mexico City.

    According to Price and advocate lawmakers interviewed by Reuters, the new coins would be valued according to the price of silver as a commodity, with the central bank, Banco de Mexico, managing coinage and charging a 10 percent seigniorage.

    The 1-ounce silver coin, called the Libertad (Liberty), would have no nominal value engraved upon it, and would circulate alongside the conventional peso currency. Its worth would be stated daily in a central bank quote.

    Silver traded at about $7.50 an ounce on Friday in New York. The peso was valued at about 11 per U.S. dollar.

    Price said the Libertad would be protected from losing value because losses on commodity markets would be compensated for by central bank valuations.

    Representatives of the central bank could not be reached to comment, but it has rejected the idea in arguments to legislators, citing concerns ranging from counterfeiting to minting costs.

    Independent economists also argue against monetizing silver, saying it has no place in a modern world of interconnected and open economies.

    Rafael Urquia, an analyst with Banamex Accival brokerage in Mexico City, said the plan would limit the flexibility of monetary policy.

    "I am inclined to think that this will not pass (Congress)," Urquia said in a recent interview. "I would like to think that the legislators sitting on economic committees have some common sense."

    Opponents also cite the costs of adapting the currency system to incorporate silver coins, and list the subsequent transaction costs and even minting costs as other concerns.

    "This idea of a hybrid currency seeks the best of both worlds - and I think that would be difficult," Urquia said.

    Still, the 1994-95 financial meltdown known as the "Tequila crisis" is just the most recent example of why some Mexicans are eager for an alternative safe haven for their money.

    Despite recent advances, Mexico still has one of Latin America's lowest rates of savings and bank credit.

    Most past crises have coincided with presidential elections, and the tight, three-way race for the 2006 vote has generated worries that the peso could be in for a steep decline.

    Still, Mexico produced some 3 million ounces of silver in 2004 and state governors and legislators say the plan could give a boost to the economies of states producing silver.

    "We see this as a viable initiative," said Fernando Guzman, a federal deputy with the governing National Action Party. "It would bring a new vitality to the state economies."

    Proponents of silver money cite Gresham's law - named after the financial agent of England's Queen Elizabeth I, Sir Thomas Gresham (1519-1579) - to support arguments that people tend to save currencies with intrinsic values when they are traded alongside fiduciary monies.

    "I can tell you one thing for sure, I don't always stop to pick up a peso if I drop it," said Violeta de la Torre, an office administrator. "But I certainly wouldn't leave a silver ounce lying in the street."

    Pav Jordan - Reuters

     

    Do you think this could be somehow beneficial for Mexico? if approved, and do you think it would have an impact in the US and other countries?

    Information about the current initiative (spanish):http://www.plata.com.mx/mplata/articulos/articulosFilt.asp?fiidarticulo=367

     

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  • Sat, Jul 5 2008 10:59 AM In reply to

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    Re: Silver currency in Mexico?

    CorporateGhost:
    Do you think this could be somehow beneficial for Mexico? if approved, and do you think it would have an impact in the US and other countries?

    Hard money (money that was genuinely scarce) could only be good for ANY country. A silver currency would severely limit the amount of wealth that the central bank, in collusion with government, was able to confiscate from those people holding savings via the process of inflation. It would stabalize prices and help entrepreneurs plan better with regard to future requirements and ensure that demand better met supply. The vast majority of people would be better off (with the obvious exception of the bankers and politicians who are the main beneficiaries of the current inflationary fiat currencies).

     

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  • Sun, Jul 6 2008 5:05 AM In reply to

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    Re: Silver currency in Mexico?

    The original idea was very, very sound. The problem is that each time it has passed through some "istitutional" channel a bit has been modified or added. Right now it makes little or no sense: if the coin has not face value but has a "market value" (which means whatever value the central bank decides at the moment) why not simply buying, stockpiling and using commonly available silver ingots and bullions? Moreover having a minimal value insured by the central bank could foretell disasters: Japan tried it with the Hiro-Ito golden coin and when the Asian crisis arrived and the price of gold plummeted their central bank was in for a very hard time. Japan is one of the world's strongest economies so they could absorb the shock but what about Mexico? I know that the with present extremes in raw materials prices in face of declining or stagnating consumption this seems highly unlikely, but you never know. And how to forget the bit about "helping the economies of the silver producing states"?

    There a few political problems though. Let's say Mexico goes all the way and adopt a silver standard, meaning you can take your paper pesos to a bank and having them exchanged with silver pesos on the spot. The peso would instantly become the world' most sought after currency. And we know what that means: declining exports and increasing imports. Politicians, trade unions and cartels do not like that. Moreover how about inflation? The government could print as much paper as they's like but all Mexicans would have to do at that point would simply be to have their paper money exchanged and use/save silver coins. At that point you know what would happen: Roosevelt did something similar back in the '30s to stop the bank runs and the Argentinian government recently put a cap on how much foreign currency you could own to stop their currency from going all the Zimbabwe way.

    Should Mexico adopt a silver coinage? Absolutely. Should it be tightly regulated or part of a "hybrid" economy? Absolutely not. Should Austrians and other "gold bugs" watch this operation closely? Absolutely.

    But in the end I fear this may just be a populistic measure that will cause yet more damage to the "sound money" party.

     Yes, it's time for the Dr Goebbels show!

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  • Tue, Jul 8 2008 4:19 PM In reply to

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    Re: Silver currency in Mexico?

    I think this has potential.  If Mexico's experiment with silver money succeeds, we will see Mexican Libertads being traded and used right here in the United States and other parts of the world.

    The only problem is that Mexico's central bank gets to set the value of the libertad against the peso--basically, price control.

    http://www.pandaamerica.com/index_assets/new_indexs/mexican_libertads/mexican_libertad_silver05.jpg

    "We have thus stepped back from the position our ancestors occupied; for we allow under the flag of justice, and consecrate in the name of the law, what was imposed on them by violence alone."

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  • Tue, Jul 8 2008 7:27 PM In reply to

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    Re: Silver currency in Mexico?

    I've heard about this a year ago, if not earlier. Are you guys sure this is getting somewhere?

    Equality before the law and material equality are not only different but are in conflict with each other; and we can achieve either one or the other, but not both at the same time. -- F. A. Hayek in The Constitution of Liberty

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  • Wed, Jul 9 2008 8:50 AM In reply to

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    Re: Silver currency in Mexico?

    What will probably happen is that the silver coins will be minted, but at a legally fixed ratio of silver/fiat.  As money supply inflation occurs, the coins will be hoarded instead of circulating.

    The correct way to do it is to mint silver coins, but let the "legal tender" value float with the market value of the silver.  This will not happen.

    I have my own blog at FSK's Guide to Reality. Let me know if you like it.

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  • Wed, Jul 9 2008 9:31 AM In reply to

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    Re: Silver currency in Mexico?

    fsk:
    What will probably happen is that the silver coins will be minted, but at a legally fixed ratio of silver/fiat.  As money supply inflation occurs, the coins will be hoarded instead of circulating.

    Hey, don't let their economists know of that. If they want to provide cheap silver to the world, let them. ;)

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  • Thu, Jul 10 2008 9:17 PM In reply to

    Re: Silver currency in Mexico?

    There would be some restrictions for taking the coins out of Mexico, but I'm not sure how are the planning to avoid hoarding from the oligarchs in Mexico (if at all)

    BlackSheep:

    I've heard about this a year ago, if not earlier. Are you guys sure this is getting somewhere?

    No, I'm not sure, apparently the initiative has a lot of supporters from all parties in the lower house but i don't know when will it be voted.

    The strongest opposition comes from Mexico's central bank, as expected.

     

    BlackSheep:

    Hey, don't let their economists know of that. If they want to provide cheap silver to the world, let them. ;)

    There would be some restrictions for taking the coins out of Mexico, but I'm not sure how are the planning to avoid hoarding from the oligarchs in Mexico (if at all)

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