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Ron Paul will win majority of Delegates in Louisiana!

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Bill Posted: Tue, Apr 17 2012 12:06 PM

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Everyone knows Rick Santorum won the La. GOP Primary. What most people don't know is the Primary is just a dog and pony show.

The vote that counts will be on April 28th a Saturday from 8:30am till noon. Most people don't know that. I live in Louisiana and I haven't heard anything on the local news. The polling places are not the same as in the primary and are subject to change even at this late date. If you are a Registered Republcan and live in La you are elegible to vote in the Rep caucus. Voter turnout is bound to be very low. Santorum is out of the race and Romney is about as exciting as one of those drug commercials (a short list of benefits and a long list of side effects).

If you want Dr. Paul on the ballot it's very important to vote in this caucus. You will be able to vote for 25 delegates and 12 alternate delegates. Ron Paul supporters will have a table at each polling location and they will have a full slate of delegates for you to choose.http://lagop.com/2012/03/2012-caucus-locations/ Go here for the polling place near you. Ultimately the delegates will chose who runs for President on the GOP ticket. Since I believe Dr Paul's supporters tend to be more informed and dedicated than the average Republican I expect them to sweep the State. If you qualify to vote in this caucus please take a half hour on Saturday April 28th and vote.

My name is Bill Smith. I'll be on the ballot in the 1st Congressional district of Louisiana as an alternate delegate. If I can help or if you would like to join the growing list of Ron Paul supporters please call me at (985) 201-1804 or email me at billsmith3737@yahoo.com.

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No2statism replied on Tue, Apr 17 2012 2:58 PM

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That's assuming the R.E. doesn't fuck it all up. In any event, I'll sooner share what you said with people I know in LA.

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Bill replied on Wed, Apr 18 2012 11:14 AM

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Thanks NO. Once I know what slate the RP delegates will be assigned I'll post it.

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John James replied on Mon, Apr 30 2012 11:37 AM

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Ron Wins Louisiana

Posted on April 29, 2012 by Lew Rockwell

Not that you will read about it in the MSM. (Thanks to Travis Holte)

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Aristophanes replied on Mon, Apr 30 2012 12:16 PM

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I have yet to see (some kind of official) verification, but it looks like Paul managed LA, MA, IA, MN, WA,MO, AK, & ND.

"While congratulating the Paul campaign "for apparently capturing their first state delegation in this presidential election cycle through an excellent get-out-the-vote effort today," Sarah Roy, chairwoman of the Greater New Orleans Republicans, characterized it as an "odd and undemocratic result" that would embarrass and distract both Romney and Gov. Bobby Jindal.

"The result of this ill-conceived and confusing caucus clearly does not represent the will of the vast majority of Louisiana Republican voters, as Ron Paul recently received only 6 percent of the vote in the Louisiana presidential primary," said Roy, who on behalf of her organization called for the state party's leaders to resign for designing Saturday's "debacle."

Am I the only one that smiles when they see what those tools consider "democracy" to be undermined?

Why do we even bother with democracy?

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John James replied on Mon, Apr 30 2012 12:27 PM

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Aristophanes:
I have yet to see (some kind of official) verification, but it looks like Paul managed LA, MA, IA, MN, WA,MO, AK, & ND.

Sounds pretty probable so far...

Slate.com: Ron Paul Wins Minnesota Delegates by a Landslide

IB Times: Ron Paul Wins Majority Of Washington Delegates To Convention, Other States Expected To Follow

Business Insider: Actually, Ron Paul Is Secretly Winning A Lot More Delegates Than You Think

Politico: Ron Paul's Alaska payback

Fox: The Truth About Delegate Numbers In Iowa and Minnesota

I don't know anything about the methodology here, but here's this.

Am I the only one that smiles when they see what those tools consider "democracy" to be undermined?

Nope.

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Bill replied on Mon, Apr 30 2012 12:46 PM

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The numbers reported by one our local news stations..after first saying Romney the likely candidate for the Republican party blah blah blah was drum roll.......111 Ron Paul out of 150 elected delegates. I want to thank everyone that helped to spread the message in Louisiana and I encourage you to help in your home state.

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John James replied on Mon, Apr 30 2012 1:11 PM

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From the campaign:

Ron Paul Wins Louisiana Caucus

Wins four and a half of six congressional district caucuses, securing 111 of 150 or 74 percent of delegates elected yesterday to the state convention

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John James replied on Mon, Apr 30 2012 1:19 PM

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Doug Wead offers some corrections though...

http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/ron-pauls-delegate-math-an-accurate-update/

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Aristophanes replied on Mon, Apr 30 2012 1:32 PM

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Paul only got 6 of 24 delegates in the Alaska state convention.

This month Paul supporters won 20 of 24 delegates selected in Minnesota congressional district conventions. In Louisiana, Paul’s campaign claims to control 74 percent of the delegates to the state GOP convention after sweeping congressional district conventions.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/29/ron-paul-supported-by-16-massachusetts-delegates-says-campaign/#ixzz1tY3oRgJa

My fears about reporting on district conventions to go to state vs the state convention itself was confirmed in that Wead blog. I think Paul supporters want to get any any positive campaign information, for the sake of public relations, so bad that they are willing to forego the ultimate quality and/or relevance of the news in order to do so.

It looks like he got 14 of 28 in the Iowa state convention. (Nixed; wrong)

He got the necessary half in Washington although there are no numbers provided. (Nixed; wrong)

It looks as if Massachusetts delegates are split in favor of Paul by more than half...although, again, there is little acutal information provided. I f***** hate "journalists." Just give me the numbers, that is all they have to do and yet I must type this in frustration at their "journalistic liberties."

Is it true that delegates can refrain/abstain from voting in the first round? If so, then it is assured that Romney's delegate counts will be higher than they will turn out. "Sleeper cell delegate coup." (Please don't arrest me for that phrase FBI DoHS web trolls)

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Graham Wright replied on Mon, Apr 30 2012 2:23 PM

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Aristophanes:
I have yet to see (some kind of official) verification, but it looks like Paul managed LA, MA, IA, MN, WA,MO, AK, & ND.

Is there an unofficial website keeping track of all the "actual" delegate numbers? I've only seen articles talking about one or two states at a time.

Aristophanes:
Am I the only one that smiles when they see what those tools consider "democracy" to be undermined?

I'm surprised it's even possible for 6% of the popular vote to translate into a majority of delegates. I can see why someone who holds democracy as an ideal would consider it to be undermined by this result. Maybe it's different though when it's an internal party election. If there was that large a discrepancy between the popular vote count and the winner of the actual election (i.e. larger than BushvGore), I imagine those who love democracy would be in uproar about it - and understandably so.

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John James replied on Mon, Apr 30 2012 2:33 PM

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Graham Wright:
Is there an unofficial website keeping track of all the "actual" delegate numbers?

I wish. I haven't even heard of such a thing. My guess is it's too hard to maintain something like that because you would literally need to be in communication with all those individual areas...possibly down to the district level.

I'm surprised it's even possible for 6% of the popular vote to translate into a majority of delegates. I can see why someone who holds democracy as an ideal would consider it to be undermined by this result. Maybe it's different though when it's an internal party election. If there was that large a discrepancy between the popular vote count and the winner of the actual election (i.e. larger than BushvGore), I imagine those who love democracy would be in uproar about it - and understandably so.

Yeah that's about right. This goes into it. But hey. The Ron Paul campaign didn't make the rules. Those whiners' precious GOP did. Paul campaign is just playing by them.

That's what I love so much about it. They set up the rules to be so ridiculously cumbersome that people won't bother with it, then Paul supporters actually do bother with learning their bullshit and end up beating them in their own system and all of a sudden party loyalists are all pissed off.

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Bill replied on Mon, Apr 30 2012 2:45 PM

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RULE NO. 2. Membership in Convention. The membership of the state convention shall

consist of delegates and alternate delegates.

(a) Delegates and alternate delegates elected at District Caucuses. There shall be Twenty

five (25) delegates at large from each of the congressional districts, elected at the District

Caucuses. There shall be Twelve (12) alternate delegates at large from each of the

congressional districts, elected at the District Caucuses.

(b) Delegates and alternate delegates elected by the Louisiana Republican State Central

Committee. There shall be five (5) delegates at large from each of the congressional

districts, elected by the Louisiana Republican State Central Committee members from the

respective congressional districts. There shall be two (2) alternate delegates at large from

each of the congressional Districts, elected by the Louisiana Republican State Central

Committee members from the respective congressional districts

The Republican State Central Committee are a buch of party hacks elected to 4 and 2 year terms. Probably all Romneyites.

(b) In each election: (1) any delegate or alternate delegate may place a name in nomination,

except as provided in paragraph (e) below. Seconds are not required; (2) the candidates

with the highest votes shall be declared elected, except that if there is a tie for the final

position, a second vote shall be conducted between those receiving the tie votes. If there is a

second tie vote, a coin toss shall determine the winner.

elections conducted during the state convention at the time, manner and place and set forth

in the order of business of the convention, after which the roll of the districts shall be called

and the names of each of the three (3) Delegates and three (3) alternate delegates for each

district announced and declared elected.

The RP delegates elected on Saturday will only be able to vote in 3 delegates and 3 alternates from each district. Party hacks vote for 5 and 2

(b) At Large Delegates elected in accordance with Rule 19 (d) shall be allocated to a

Presidential candidate only if a candidate receives at least 25% of votes in the Presidential

Preference Primary. If a candidate receives at least 25% of the votes in the Presidential

Preference Primary, that candidate shall be allocated at large delegates in proportion to the

percentage of the votes received, rounded to the nearest delegate. If no candidate receives at

least 25% of the votes in the Presidential Preference Primary, such at large delegates are

designated as uncommitted. All other at large delegates shall be allocated and designated

as uncommitted.

Romney got 26.7% of the Presidential preference primary.

Sorry you had to wade through all the Rep party BS. Point is there's still a lot of wiggle room built in all in favor of the hacks.

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John James replied on Tue, May 1 2012 9:21 AM

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Ben Swann gives you the full scoop on delegates:

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John James replied on Tue, May 1 2012 5:04 PM

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How the Romney-Ron Paul Delegate Count Is Really Going Down

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Graham Wright replied on Tue, May 1 2012 7:58 PM

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John James:
Graham Wright:
Is there an unofficial website keeping track of all the "actual" delegate numbers?

I wish. I haven't even heard of such a thing. My guess is it's too hard to maintain something like that because you would literally need to be in communication with all those individual areas...possibly down to the district level.

I just made a new Mises Wiki page where I have tabulated the results/projections talked about by the sources posted in this thread.

http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012

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Graham Wright replied on Tue, May 1 2012 7:59 PM

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John James:

Graham Wright:
Is there an unofficial website keeping track of all the "actual" delegate numbers?

I wish. I haven't even heard of such a thing. My guess is it's too hard to maintain something like that because you would literally need to be in communication with all those individual areas...possibly down to the district level.

I just made a new Mises Wiki page tabulating the results/projections from sources posted in this thread.

http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012

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John James replied on Tue, May 1 2012 9:54 PM

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Um. That is fricking awesome. We gotta spread that around. If we can get it up at the Ron Paul Forums and DailyPaul, it would bring a lot of traffic (and new members) to the Mises Wiki.

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Bill replied on Wed, May 2 2012 8:31 AM

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Nice job on the page John.

It's very important to get the word out now. The fight isn't over it's just beginning.

While Obama and Romney are busy with their mud fight. Ron Paul can emerge from the Rep Convention with a clean white shirt and a solid base. The Main street media will have to acknowledge Dr. Paul then. By then it may be too late, the only horse they have left in the race will be stuck in the mud.

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John James replied on Wed, May 2 2012 9:30 AM

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Everyone go ahead and vote this up and we might be able to get it on the main page...

http://www.dailypaul.com/230337/actual-delegate-count-at-mises-wiki

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Graham Wright replied on Wed, May 2 2012 4:37 PM

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John James:

Everyone go ahead and vote this up and we might be able to get it on the main page...

http://www.dailypaul.com/230337/actual-delegate-count-at-mises-wiki

Thanks for that. Up voted.

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John James replied on Wed, May 23 2012 7:14 AM

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Smoke and Mirrors in Louisiana

Doug Wead: On Saturday I promised an update into the complex world of Louisiana intra-party politics. You will remember that the national press proclaimed an upset win by Ron Paul in the first round of caucuses. But the GOP has worked to take that away.

Here is how events are unfolding. [...]

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No2statism replied on Wed, May 23 2012 8:34 PM

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I just figured out that the Republicans aren't going to let Dr. Paul become the nominee.

They already promised it to Romney back in 08, just like they promised it to McCain for 2008 back in Y2K, just like they promised it to Dole for 96 in 88. Buchanan didn't get it in 96 though because Dole had been promised the nomination and the former was never guaranteed it for Y2k because Bush 43 was a "favorite son". Each time the most popular candidate doesn't get the nomination when they're the most popular, but they're guaranteed it for the next time when they're less popular. It would've been nice if the Republican Party didn't hold phony primaries. I think Dr. Paul is either doing this for his son (he'll be promised it for 2016 or 2020) or to show how corrupt the system is (or both). Romney was much more popular in 08 than he is now. I'm wondering if the RNC and/or the Dept. of Homeland Security is going to use a lot of force to complete the transition to fascistic rule. I hope that the Department of Homeland Security doesn't perform a false flag attack at the RNConvention (or the DNConvention) and blame it on Dr. Paul's supporters, but I'm beginning to worry that it might happen.

I really think that the worst is yet to happen.

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Aristophanes replied on Wed, May 23 2012 8:46 PM

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I'm waiting for Putin to quote G.W. Bush and preemptively attack the NATO missile defense stuff. That will be interesting. Then Noam Chomsky's point of international proliferation of the Bush Doctrine will become apt.

I'm sick of social politics anyway. Let's get some geopolitical confrontation up in here! Putin! Putin! Putin!

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John James replied on Wed, May 23 2012 9:34 PM

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No2statism:
promised it to Romney [...] just like they promised it to McCain [...] just like they promised it to Dole [...] Each time the most popular candidate doesn't get the nomination when they're the most popular, but they're guaranteed it for the next time when they're less popular. [Rand Paul] be promised it for 2016 or 2020)

That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a while. Do you honestly believe that's how it works?

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No2statism replied on Wed, May 23 2012 10:23 PM

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I don't really know exactly how it works. I guess I was throwing it out there because the voter fraud has to play some kind of role... I don't see how Romney is getting close to 50% of the popular vote. I think most primaries and elections are just staged.

I do lean towards believing the RNC will just make up any excuse to give the nomination to Romney. I'm still going to remain hopeful that Dr. Paul will win until the RNconvention is over.

Anyway, I'll be glad to hear why you think that's ridiculous, as I'm sure you have a good reason to believe it is:)

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John James replied on Thu, May 24 2012 6:47 AM

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Because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. That's why. Why in the world would the RNC "promise" it's nomination to someone 4 years in advance? I mean what exactly is your thinking here? Is the RNC it's own body or is it all own/controlled by the Bilderberg Group? Doesn't the TriLateral Commission decide the President in advance? Why would someone spend all that time campaigning (do you realize how grueling a campaign is?) if they were assured the nomination? Why would they put up their own money? And why would this body that underhandedly "promises" it's nomination to people years in advance, thus rendering the entire primary process (and all of its millions of dollars and literally countless hours in campaigning and voting) completely irrelevant, why would such a body promise it's nominaiton to a Paul?

If they're as dasterdly as you claim, why in the world would they use their scheming to hand over the nomination to someone who would no doubt use his position to put them out of power?

And what's more...you're actually suggesting not only that all this is actually true...but that Rand and RON PAUL would not only keep quite about it, but participate and go along with it. As in, Ron Paul would not only make a deal with the devil to begin with, but would do so under the assumption that the devil would keep his word.

I could go on and on. Have you seriously thought this through for even 2 seconds?

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No2statism replied on Thu, May 24 2012 7:42 AM

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I can go along with most of what you said, but Dr. Paul would be the first to refuse the deal.

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No2statism:
I can go along with most of what you said, but Dr. Paul would be the first to refuse the deal.

Not according to someone called "No2statism":

No2statism:
I think Dr. Paul is either doing this for his son (he'll be promised it for 2016 or 2020) or to show how corrupt the system is (or both).

Oh wait. That's you.

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Insane:

Ron Paul Campaign Statement on Louisiana GOP Convention

[...]

“LAGOP officials ignored the vast majority of duly elected delegates and attempted to use illegally adopted rules to deny Ron Paul supporters an opportunity to attend the Republican National Convention in Tampa. Louisiana has 46 delegates. Five were pledged to Mitt Romney based on the March 23rd primary result and Rick Santorum received 10, meaning most delegates were contestable at the state convention.

“Delegates to the state convention were chosen at caucus meetings on April 28th. Ron Paul slates won four of six congressional district contests. Of the approximately 180 delegates attending the state convention, 113 voted to remove the LAGOP chairman when he failed to respond to requests for information and other motions from delegates. Nearly two-thirds of the delegates began physically moving their chairs, literally turning their back on the GOP chair appointed by the party hierarchy.

“In another instance, State Central Committeeman and Ron Paul supporter Henry Herford Jr. of Franklin Parrish was attacked by some security officials who didn’t realize that the body had voted out the previous chairman. Mr. Herford has a prosthetic hip and according to a doctor at the scene it appears as though the prosthetic was dislocated and may require replacement. The injury occurred as he was beginning to call to order the newly re-formed convention.

“In yet another instance, Ron Paul supporter Alex Helwig, Chairman of the Rules Committee who made the motion to remove the chair, was arrested by Shreveport police and released. During his brief detainment, some of his fingers were broken and when he returned to the event he was walking with aid of a cane. [...]

Video (not part of Ron Paul campaign release):

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Ron Paul Delegates Arrested As They Win a Majority at Louisiana GOP Convention

Video footage shows an older gentleman in a blue shirt being violently dragged away by police and then shoved to the ground. When Mr. Herford protests that he is handicapped and would like to press charges for assault against the police officers, a Shreveport police officer is seen smirking in response. Sources report that Mr. Herford, 57, has a prosthetic hip that was dislocated during the assault.

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This is an email sent out from Ellen Davis, one of the elected delegates to LAGOP. She does a fine job of explaining what went on in Shreveport . (I would have left out the Bible verses and party pandering, but none the less a fine summary)

Ellen Davis

Baton Rouge, LA

edavis@liquidventures.com

Tuesday, June 5, 2012

To: Republican Party of Louisiana Executive Committee

CC: RSCC Members, Louisiana Conservative Delegation, & Ron Paul State Convention

Delegates

From: Ellen Davis, Elected State Delegate to the Louisiana Republican Convention

I write this letter with great sadness and disappointment in the Louisiana Republican Party

leadership. As an ELECTED Delegate to the State Convention, former Executive Director to the

LAGOP, a former State Central Committee member, a political ally to Republican Party leaders,

a friend, a wife, and a mother, I'm appalled at the actions taken by the LAGOP Executive

Committee and other party leadership to use force by police officers to remove peaceful, law

abiding ELECTED members of a body, to enforce illegal rules adopted only days before the

convention.

The Executive Committee cannot continue to hide behind the unsupported claims that you feared

the Ron Paul delegates would behave lawlessly, and perhaps violently. You let your irrational

fear of elected Republican convention delegates, many of whom are long-time friends and

supporters of yours, cause you to lose all moral sense.

You claim that the violence committed against representatives of the majority of convention

delegates was justified because you were simply enforcing the convention rules. Those

supplemental convention rules were adopted in a PRIVATE meeting held two days before the

state convention in Shreveport. They entirely changed the scope of the agreed upon rules

submitted to the Republican National Committee in October of last year.

Those “supplemental rules” were not valid, they were untimely promulgated, not consistent with

prior rules and violated not just the LAGOP Bylaws but also rule 1(b) of the actual Caucus and

Convention rules.

Furthermore, they were so ridiculous and unnecessarily restrictive that they violate the rules of

the Republican National Committee and potentially so damaging as to RISK our eventual

nominee’s name not appearing on the ballot under state election laws.

It was wrong of you to try, through those supplemental rules, to deprive the majority of

delegates the rights they had been elected to exercise. It was even more wrong to try to silence

civil, non-violent questioning and criticism of the last-minute rules change by means of physical

violence and assault on our members, and fear and intimidation by several of the elected

delegates loyal to you.

You claim that the rule changes were necessary because there was “fear” amongst your minority

delegation and the executive committee that the Ron Paul delegates would “steal” delegates and

behave unlawfully and violently.

The only thing that was “stolen” was the right of duly elected state convention delegates to elect

delegates to the Republican National Convention. It is impossible to “steal” delegates because

the rules clearly state that ten delegates are BOUND to Rick Santorum and five delegates are

BOUND to Mitt Romney.

Since the convention, you have provided no evidence to support your claims. Videos of the

convention prove that, whatever your fears may have been, the only violence carried out was by

you, and police officers acting on your orders.

Tell me, just who in the majority delegation were you afraid of? Our delegates included longtime

party members, people who have been your friends and supported many of you in past

elections. Which of these Louisiana Republicans put you in such fear of violence? Was it:

• Jason Stern- conservative Christian, married 15 years, 9 children, vice president of social

conservative nonprofits for 12 years, past Chairman of the Republican Party of

Livingston Parish, assistant Cubmaster, and your political ally?

• Craig and Sherri Leblanc – homeschool mother and father of 10, small business owners?

• Shawn Wilson – Christian, homeschool father of 3, small business owner, friend?

• Landon Mills – son of Louisiana Family Forum’s President Gene Mills?

• Colleen Byers Crane – registered nurse, mother?

• Beth Croslow Billings – RSCC member (Dist 56B), a member of the St. Charles parish

RPEC, mother to three daughters, married 27 years?

• Connie Bernard – RSCC Member, East Baton Rouge School Board Member, East Baton

Rouge PEC Vice Chairman, political ally, mother, wife?

• Wallace Lucas – RSCC Member, small business owner, husband?

• John Roberts – former RSCC Member, former state senate candidate recruited by you,

political ally, small business owner, husband, father to 3 boys?

• Hunter Simmons – a mechanical engineer?

• Charlie Davis – my husband, RSCC Member, former Deputy Chairman of the

Republican Party of Louisiana, your political ally and friend, contributor, father of 3?

Should I continue? I have a lot more to list, I didn’t even include the several members of our

delegation that are medical doctors, retired and active duty military, teachers, retirees.

These people were not strangers to you, not “outside agitators.” They are your friends,

neighbors, and supporters. No matter what you thought was happening across the country, you

applied a very biased and broad brush to allies and friends. Why did you lack that trust in God

that you so heavily proclaim in all of your works?

“So we say with confidence, The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can mere mortals

do to me?” Hebrews 13:6

What justified your fears? Do you realize that at other conventions around the country NOT a

single party leader or Paul supporter were arrested or hurt? Not until this Saturday, June 2nd, was

there any violence. Your irrational fear ordered that violence, putting Louisiana on the map as

the first convention where police force was used. The Republican Party of Louisiana hired

police officers to carry out your orders at only your discretion. Being in a disagreement and

discussing that disagreement on the floor is NOT grounds for arrest or for cops to force an

individual to the ground, then dragged out like a criminal.

After our first delegate was put to the ground, with fingers broken in the process, the only people

to fear were the LAGOP Executive Committee and the hired off-duty police acting on your

orders. Only members of our delegation were actually harmed and brutalized. None of your

delegation was harmed or threatened in any way, and the videos prove that.

You claim there was an atmosphere of fear and intimidation at the convention. The video

footage shows that it was your delegation members who created this atmosphere:

• Not once did your cops tell Henry Herford to leave or he was going to be arrested - they

just immediately took him down and attempted to drag him out.

• Not once did your cops read Alex Helwig his Miranda rights or tell him what he was

being arrested for.

• Your cops proceeded to confiscate cameras and phones without any type of warrant. I

guess you wanted no evidence of your unlawful actions.

• Your cops also smiled and gloated for taking down civilians, one of whom was obviously

physically handicapped and warned the cops as they approached him that he had a

prosthetic hip.

• It was delegates loyal to you standing on chairs, videotaping, showing complete glee

while watching men being manhandled by cops.

• Two male delegates loyal to you stood in front of our elected Chairwoman, Connie

Bernard, creating human barriers to prevent our delegates to move and pass through,

trying to intimidate a woman.

• Men loyal to you stood firmly in the way of one of our women delegates trying to move

to the back of the room to talk to our Chairwoman Connie Bernard.

• Men and women loyal to you blocked entrances and exits not allowing our elected

members to move freely.

• Your hired cops shoved our woman delegate, an ER nurse, as she was trying to tend to

Henry Herford after he was taken down by your cops.

• Your hired cops pushed medical Doctor Aaron Klepper out of the way and demanded

credentials as Dr. Klepper attempted to come to Henry Herford’s aid.

• It was the Executive Committee who continued to conduct business after repeated calls

from the floor saying we needed a doctor and to call 911. The Executive Committee had

the microphone, so why didn’t you echo the calls for a doctor? Was there really no

concern for anyone's safety? Or do you just believe that because we are Ron Paul

delegates we don’t deserve assistance in a medical crisis? Why did you let your irrational

fear cause you to forget basic human dignity?

• You controlled the microphone and at any time could have said enough is enough. You

could have called off the cops. Never once did anyone on the Executive Committee or the

minority of delegates loyal to you stand up and say this has gone too far. Aren't we

fellow Republicans, fellow citizens, fellow Christians first before we are political

adversaries?

I know that if the tables were turned, my husband, Charlie Davis, would have been by your side

assisting you and stopping the violence. I am also certain that our Ron Paul delegates would

have defended you from being attacked by anyone, because no matter what side of the political

aisle you are on, tyranny and violence is never acceptable. I stand firmly with the Ron Paul

delegates and applaud them for being men and women whom my kids can emulate. I am raising

leaders in my household, leaders who always stand up for what is right and always exercise

personnel choice in extreme situations.

There is nothing wrong with debate and disagreement. That is what our country is founded on.

You should have allowed the debate, you should have allowed Henry Herford to continue and

allowed the majority to follow the rules adopted by the Republican State Central Committee

without using the police to tend to a simple matter of competing voices.

Ron Paul delegates peacefully and calmly exercised their 1st Amendment Rights and shared their

concerns about an unruly, out of line Executive Committee, and your attempt to seize power

with the illegal, last minute effort to change the rules. You didn’t even allow discussion. I don’t

know of any other business, political, or government meetings where you can completely shut

off all communication from the floor, and declare that anybody who even questions the rulings

of the chair will be physically removed by the police.

With all this said, let’s go back to the reasons you’ve given for your illegal rules. You claim you

wanted to “tighten the rules” so that Ron Paul Delegates could not wrongfully “steal” delegates

from the competing national campaigns. But what happened in fact? Our delegation ELECTED

to Tampa, the five delegates the Romney campaign requested (one of which you REFUSED to

put on your own national delegation list), and many other high-profile Romney and Santorum

supporters.

This was not your first attempt to write the rules to ensure that party insiders could control the

delegate selection process. The RSCC wrote the rules last year to have the winners of the caucus

chose the delegates, making the state Republican primary only allocate delegates in very specific

circumstances. There would be ZERO reason to have the caucus if caucus delegates were not

going to choose the national delegates. The LAGOP and the RSCC did not care back in October

about “stealing” delegates; you assumed you would win the caucuses and wanted to make sure

you could install personal friends and others that you owed “political favors” to as delegates.

A large majority of the RSCC and LAGOP Executive Committee were Santorum, Gingrich,

Cain, Perry, and Bachman supporters. You knew in the Summer of 2011 that in order to beat

Romney, you would need to be in control of the delegate selection, and you had a fairly accurate

assessment that Romney would not be able to carry the state of Louisiana when matched against

more conservative candidates.

Thus you created the “Caucus/Primary” system. You planned to pick all the delegates in a

victorious caucus. But when the Ron Paul voters were better organized than yours and simply

out-voted you in the caucuses to win the majority of the convention delegates, you started backpedaling

to find ways to make sure the caucus voters and the delegates they elected were

disenfranchised.

Your first intention was to write the rules so you could control the delegates and make sure

Romney could gain only a few delegates. When that didn’t work you changed the rules again, to

insure that Ron Paul delegates could not get to the Republican National Convention in Tampa,

claiming that you were just “protecting Romney delegates”.

Your words and actions are the height of fraud, irony, and hypocrisy. It also remains as a

perfect example of why this caucus/primary system was a failure to begin with.

Conservatives are in the majority in this state. We spent years building the party to where it is

now. Why did you feel it was necessary to keep changing the rules? Why did you feel it was

necessary to have the Executive Committee try to undo the results of the caucus elections? We

have the majority, we are the good guys, we supported you! Why didn’t you just get out your

vote instead of making backroom deals and last-minute rule changes?

Can you not admit, in light of these facts, that your fears were misplaced, at best? It was your

misjudged fear that deprived you of your basic moral sense. This will be your downfall, and if

you continue to refuse to acknowledge that your fears were, in fact, irrational and misplaced, and

led you to do wrong things, that will only exacerbate the division you have created within the

state party by your actions on Saturday.

“For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and selfdiscipline.”

2 Timothy 1:7

The Executive Committee and the delegates loyal to you now have the opportunity to apologize

and right the wrongs committed Saturday. I appeal to you, as your sister in Christ, to admit your

wrong doings so that we can begin healing and reconciliation. This is the Lord’s commandment

to us as brethren in Christ. Your actions in the coming weeks will be a historic record and

telling story of the men and women you portray yourselves to be. Your generations will bear the

load of your wrong decisions.

I urge you to denounce these attacks on peacefully organized civilians and ask you to apologize

for your abuse of power. As your friend, as your former employee, as contributor to your

campaigns and as someone who has ALWAYS defended you, I beg you to make amends and

allow a healing process to begin for the good of this state.

“And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:32

We are Liberty Lovers, Republicans, Americans, and Louisianans, and we deserve an apology.

With Concern,

Ellen

Ellen Davis

Elected State Delegate to the

Louisiana Republican Convention

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Autolykos replied on Wed, Jun 6 2012 1:16 PM

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I think it's becoming increasingly clear that other Republicans see Ron Paul supporters as little better than traitors. That's the only way I can make sense of such behavior by them.

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Anenome replied on Wed, Jun 6 2012 7:38 PM

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I read today that the Ron Paul camp says it's sending over 200 delegates that can vote openly for Paul to the Republican National Convention in Tampa, and a total of 500 whom support Paul (so, 300 more whom are bound to vote for Romney at least on the first ballot). The Paul camp says this is roughly 20% of the delegate total.

Not bad. Not enough to change anything, but still.

This is an immense achievement and if repeated with each contest could turn into a sea-change, as delegates have an uncommon amount of influence both in who gets elected and in the eventual party platform. They've got the RINOs running scared, that's for sure.

Too bad it can only be done once every four years and that Ron Paul is too old to carry on any movement into very many future contests. He probably wouldn't be able to run in the next one, as he'd be 80 by that point, and we could only hope he'd make it to the one after that, but who knows.

Really the only hope for the US is for libertarians to take over the Republican party much as the socialists / fascists took over the Democrat party back in the 60's :\

I ain't holding my breath.

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Aristophanes replied on Wed, Jun 6 2012 8:11 PM

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I read today that the Ron Paul camp says it's sending over 200 delegates that can vote openly for Paul to the Republican National Convention in Tampa, and a total of 500 whom support Paul (so, 300 more whom are bound to vote for Romney at least on the first ballot). The Paul camp says this is roughly 20% of the delegate total.

Can you provide links?

Not all of the conventions have awarded delegates yet, the number can really only grow. If they think that, are they guessing the total for the whole thing? 500 is roughly half of what you need to win, which is a quarter of the total. It would seem to me that at the end of June, we might have 600?

Really the only hope for the US is for libertarians to take over the Republican party much as the socialists / fascists took over the Democrat party back in the 60's :\

I think this observation has been made before. Without a charismatic leader that truly inspires creative thinking the iron law of oligarchy will drag any movement to take a political apparatus (such as a Party) over down to attacking the classes of society they do not like when the wrest power. I do not have confidence that if any of us were given true power that we would not abuse it for our own pleasure. If anything, when/if a (L)libertarian party does start to get power there will inevitably be 'non libertarians' (cointel) will take over and do their statist thing...not being actual libertarians and all (Coughs and glares at Gary Johnson).

I ain't holding my breath.

Oh, so you're not willing to sacrifice like the rest of us!?!??!

Ron Paul has been the only person without the baggage, who knows the system, knows the stakes, etc. that has come along and gained popularity. How many Presidential candidates are gonna say, if begrudingly, when the Bilderberg group gets together that they are "probably planning the use of their energy and resources."? Seriously, how many will respond to you if you ask them about the Bilderberg Group? Or the Council FR? They can't give people a reason to actually 'look into' what they do there or the jig is up, capiche?

Until we find our new Jesus figure, (virtually) free of original sin, we will be traitors, seditors. Ron Paul can discern what is relevant about what groups and place them in proper context for analysis in politically correct pragmatic democratic election politics. All the while earning a reputation for integrity and principle. This is a feat many are incapable of. He is old now and was much more of a firebrand in the 80's. The kind of image that we need in order to push "extreme' ideas is far more powerful than simple Hollywood charisma. It is a whole different kind of charisma. It is the kind of charisma that people do not notice until you are old and inoffensive, sexually non threatening, etc.

Aside from politics:

What is ironic is that we are the ones that promote the most naked form of material economy. We're the ones that say people shouldn't be constrained with their consumption. Meanwhile, it is the majority of people who fuel the consumption mentality and the more well known fad of environmentalism and conscious consumption are parroted so loud as to divide the body politic over it. Look at the spectacle of what is on TV and passes for entertainment. I don't even need to say more on that subject. You know what I mean

The entirety of pop culture in this country is currently set against us.

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Anenome replied on Wed, Jun 6 2012 8:48 PM

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Aristophanes:

Can you provide links?

I'll reproduce the text of the email their campaign sent me for you to peruse:

The Ron Paul Campaign:
(sent from "ron.paul@ronpaul2012.com")

Dear Anenome,

I wanted you to get an update from me personally, since we have some great news!

Due to the smart planning of our campaign and the hard work and diligence of supporters like you, we stand to send nearly 200 bound delegates to the Republican National Convention in Tampa. This number shatters the predictions of the pundits and talking heads and shows the seriousness of our movement.

What's more, we will send several hundred additional supporters to Tampa who, while bound to Romney, believe in our ideas of liberty, constitutional government, and a common-sense foreign policy.

When it is all said and done, we will likely have as many as 500 supporters as delegates on the Convention floor. That is just over 20 percent!

And while this total is not enough to win the nomination, it puts us in a tremendous position to grow our movement and shape the future of the GOP!

I hope every one of you continues the fight we have advanced so well this year. I hope you will finish your local and state conventions, and, if you were selected as a national delegate, that you will head to Tampa in August to force the Republican Party to listen to the voice of liberty.

We have never had this kind of opportunity. There will be hundreds of your fellow supporters in Tampa who will be ready and willing to push the Republican Party back to its limited government, liberty roots.

There are many issues to fight for in Tampa. Also, candidates like Justin Amash, Kurt Bills, and Thomas Massie need your support as we move into the fall. Across the country, supporters of liberty have won local office and leadership positions in the GOP, and we need to keep working.

Our delegates’ presence must be felt both in Tampa and in years to come.

Stand up for what we believe in. Be respectful. And let the establishment know that we are the future of the Party and of the country.

Our Revolution is just getting started. You'll be hearing plenty from me as we approach Tampa and the fall elections. You'll also be hearing of important developments on Audit the Fed and Campaign for Liberty.

I hope you'll continue to stand with me as we go forward. Our Revolution could not have come this far without you.

For Liberty,

Ron Paul

Aristophanes:

Not all of the conventions have awarded delegates yet, the number can really only grow. If they think that, are they guessing the total for the whole thing? 500 is roughly half of what you need to win, which is a quarter of the total. It would seem to me that at the end of June, we might have 600?

Mebbe, but many of these must vote for Romney on the first ballot, and he's quite likely to take it on the first ballot. So Paul's chances are still slim to none.

Aristophanes:
Really the only hope for the US is for libertarians to take over the Republican party much as the socialists / fascists took over the Democrat party back in the 60's :\

I think this observation has been made before. Without a charismatic leader that truly inspires creative thinking the iron law of oligarchy will drag any movement to take a political apparatus (such as a Party) over down to attacking the classes of society they do not like when the wrest power. I do not have confidence that if any of us were given true power that we would not abuse it for our own pleasure. If anything, when/if a (L)libertarian party does start to get power there will inevitably be 'non libertarians' (cointel) will take over and do their statist thing...not being actual libertarians and all (Coughs and glares at Gary Johnson).

For every thousand hacking at the leaves of tyranny, there is one hacking at the root.

Aristophanes:
I ain't holding my breath.

Oh, so you're not willing to sacrifice like the rest of us!?!??!

I intend to start my own country and provide an alternative to the current system, offering what I call an essentialist state, organized along libertarian principles. I beleive I've discovered a way to create a political order predicated on individualism in contrast to the world's political system which are predicated on the socialist ethic. It would be a contractual society incorporating the ideas of voluntarism and the NAP. To facilitate this, I created a new political right as a corollary to the right of free association which is the right of secession, or political secession, or micro-secession, take your pick :P It allows you to separate yourself politically and legally from those whom you don't want to have an influence on you, and prevents anyone from forcing you to live under a law you have not chosen.

There's obviously a great deal more to it than that, where it is is important; and I'm not ready to formally unveil it quite yet (though you'll find me discussing it on these forums in various places in more detail).

I think the chances of turning around the US before a catastrophe caused by these policies occurs are slim to none. Much rather use my energy to build something from the ground up in the way it should be in the first place. That way I'm fighting no one.

Aristophanes:

Ron Paul has been the only person without the baggage, who knows the system, knows the stakes, etc. that has come along and gained popularity. How many Presidential candidates are gonna say, if begrudingly, when the Bilderberg group gets together that they are "probably planning the use of their energy and resources."? Seriously, how many will respond to you if you ask them about the Bilderberg Group? Or the Council FR? They can't give people a reason to actually 'look into' what they do there or the jig is up, capiche?

Until we find our new Jesus figure, (virtually) free of original sin, we will be traitors, seditors. Ron Paul can discern what is relevant about what groups and place them in proper context for analysis in politically correct pragmatic democratic election politics. All the while earning a reputation for integrity and principle. This is a feat many are incapable of. He is old now and was much more of a firebrand in the 80's. The kind of image that we need in order to push "extreme' ideas is far more powerful than simple Hollywood charisma. It is a whole different kind of charisma. It is the kind of charisma that people do not notice until you are old and inoffensive, sexually non threatening, etc.

Paul was also short-sighted. Had he wanted to have influence he should have sought it. He should have become a governor. Then he would've had a shot at the nomination. He should've played ball until he had real power.

But of course, that would've relied on him being sneaky, and we people who believe in being ethical have trouble with that. We don't think we should have to lie and sneak to achieve what's right. And we shouldn't. It's the structure of the current system that makes it a necessity. And, predictably, those who have no qualms about lying for power have the most power in the US.

What would be revolutionary is a system where lying for power would achieve nothing, and that's what I aim to create.

Aristophanes:
Aside from politics:

What is ironic is that we are the ones that promote the most naked form of material economy. We're the ones that say people shouldn't be constrained with their consumption. Meanwhile, it is the majority of people who fuel the consumption mentality and the more well known fad of environmentalism and conscious consumption are parroted so loud as to divide the body politic over it. Look at the spectacle of what is on TV and passes for entertainment. I don't even need to say more on that subject. You know what I mean

The entirety of pop culture in this country is currently set against us.

They control the organs of mass communication because they know that for every one of us who knows what we're talking about there are ten more political neophyts who don't know the first thing about politics and that two of those 10 will vote the way they want, thus outvoting us easily.

What's needed is a way to separate ourselves from them utterly, thus the right of political secession and free association.

Autarchy: rule of the self by the self; the act of self ruling.