Free market insurance firms would have an interest in paying for firefighters. Likewise, these could be arranged either through an umbrella contract with a PDA, or separately with a subscription service, or charge only when they come. There are plenty of profitable ways to arrange this.
"What we do in life, echoes in eternity."
katja328: The difference is that I own the land that I am at now. Whereas you have yet to let us know if this land is owned by someone or not. You also still have not answered my question as to what happens to the woman who is a colonist but goes outside the colony to get an abortion. What's the punchiment?
The difference is that I own the land that I am at now. Whereas you have yet to let us know if this land is owned by someone or not.
You also still have not answered my question as to what happens to the woman who is a colonist but goes outside the colony to get an abortion. What's the punchiment?
Regarding the land it is unoccupied and uncontrolled land. So once you occupy it and begin using it then it will be yours. If you think you own the land where you are now, you are sadly misinformed.
A female Colonist who becomes pregnant creates a new person within the Colony and as the website states, the crime of murder will be enforced in the Colony. If you as a Colonist murder another Colonist then it would be reasonable that you are subject to the rules which you agreed to upon entering the Colony. The fact that you Murder the Colonist outside the physical boundary of the Colony is not relevant to the contract.
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The best way for you to understand this for yourself is to read The Sovereign Individual by Davidson & Rees-Mogg. And I just finished posting another reply re that topic in another thread (How do you enforce laws without taxes). Maybe that could be a 'nutshell' explaination too? Its really hard to give a thumbnail outline without us knowing each other's back grounds or assumptions
Best to you as you go your 'free' way - Jain
anonnymous: I clearly understand that and agree but how would an individual put out a house fire without some sorta help?
I clearly understand that and agree but how would an individual put out a house fire without some sorta help?
Same way you could 'get' hospital help, by paying an organization to provide that service. There are security guards for hire even though there are 'government' police. Fire protection isn't the domain of government only.
Jain Daugh: anonnymous: I clearly understand that and agree but how would an individual put out a house fire without some sorta help? Same way you could 'get' hospital help, by paying an organization to provide that service. There are security guards for hire even though there are 'government' police. Fire protection isn't the domain of government only.
What makes the Liberty Colony so great, is that we no longer need to talk in the abstract about such things. The whole idea is to actually create the type of free society where these ideas can flourish. It is no longer an idea but action that can now drive us.
Whoever is going to join this ludacris operation to Zimbabwe or Somalia or some other third world country. Have a great time and once you have internet access, make sure you send us a note and let us know how the communist project is coming along ;-)
Sometimes "majority" simply means that all the fools are on the same side
The most troublesome issue is the three man tribunal. Why not a randomly selected 12 man jury from the 100 colonists? It could be 11 or 13 or something else but I don't like this 3 man tribunal idea.
In 1620 the Pilgrims sailed for the New World, having never seen it, having no pictures and barely any information on the area. They didn't undertake this dangerous journey because they thought it would be easy or because they thought the journey would be fun. They set out to create a place where they could be free. Was that ludicrous? Is freedom ludicrous?
Like the site says you don't have to go but you can still support others who are willing.
What possible aspect of the Liberty Colony is in anyway an example of communism....now that is ludicrous.
I guess it's impossible if one needs to travel by airplane (is it? can you at least say the continent?), but it should be possible for people to take guns because it's a tad scary to go somewhere you don't know where, with someones you don't know whom. And being in another country and all, you might need them for security as well...
Equality before the law and material equality are not only different but are in conflict with each other; and we can achieve either one or the other, but not both at the same time. -- F. A. Hayek in The Constitution of Liberty
Suppose I happen to arrive by my own free will at the "colony". Will I be allowed to own land that is not previously taken, but inside the colonial domain. If not than this is the clear establishment of a state.
A what point does this colony become unsecretive and open for information and foreign investment?
And the establishment of a "free society" surrounded by states, is a de facto state, because rules would have to be applied that are not applied in the surrounding states, thus a constitution of sorts would need to be established.
Liberty is not the same thing as sovereignty. A liberty colony would have to be sovereign from surrounding states. Thus for liberty to flourish conquest would need to happen to a "free and sovereign people", not a liberal people.
Disfunction implies a civil war. A state would soon have to be established after the disfunction is over, creating two states. One state, and one "free society". Each would have to set up rules to govern relations between each other.
Unless of course it is an island, but that would ruin the secrecy of the project, and the natives would have to be a liberal people.
Good luck with the project Max. Hope to emigrate to it if it becomes greater than a tiny liberal utopia
Democracy is nothing more than replacing bullets with ballots
If Pro is the opposite of Con. What is the opposite of Progress?
majevska: The most troublesome issue is the three man tribunal. Why not a randomly selected 12 man jury from the 100 colonists? It could be 11 or 13 or something else but I don't like this 3 man tribunal idea.
Well, hopefully in the first year there will be little need for tribunals as hopefully the 100 of us will be able to keep from murdering and raping each other for at least 12 months. There has to be some structure and this is the point of leadership. If we were to discuss every possible aspect of the Liberty Colony and get 100 people to agree on everything then it would have no chance. It would be like planning a trip from Miami to LA and waiting for all the lights to turn green at the same time.
The Liberty Colony is about individual freedom. The initial organization is quite minimal and expecting people not to murder and rape is no more than what is expected of you right now....wherever you are.
The site clearly states that you will be supplied a firearm upon your arrival at the Colony and you can take whatever additional firearms you wish.
Andrew: Suppose I happen to arrive by my own free will at the "colony". Will I be allowed to own land that is not previously taken, but inside the colonial domain. If not than this is the clear establishment of a state. A what point does this colony become unsecretive and open for information and foreign investment? And the establishment of a "free society" surrounded by states, is a de facto state, because rules would have to be applied that are not applied in the surrounding states, thus a constitution of sorts would need to be established. Liberty is not the same thing as sovereignty. A liberty colony would have to be sovereign from surrounding states. Thus for liberty to flourish conquest would need to happen to a "free and sovereign people", not a liberal people. Disfunction implies a civil war. A state would soon have to be established after the disfunction is over, creating two states. One state, and one "free society". Each would have to set up rules to govern relations between each other. Unless of course it is an island, but that would ruin the secrecy of the project, and the natives would have to be a liberal people. Good luck with the project Max. Hope to emigrate to it if it becomes greater than a tiny liberal utopia
By definition there will be no land within the Colony that isn't either owned by an individual or corporation. So in the beginning there is no unclaimed land inside the Colony. Any land adjacent to the Colony that you wish to settle in would be just that your land. If you then made a contract with the SDK then you would be under the same circumstances as anyone who had land "within" the Colony. In fact one of the fastest ways that the Colony will expand is through these types of agreements with new Colonists beyond the initial 200 and with people currently in the area.
The Colony is open now to investment both by investing in the SDK or through sponsoring individual Colonists or contributing to the general fund to support Colonists. Also, there are no restrictions on developing any business ideas yourself or in concert with others. We are creating a free society so don't create artificial limitations.
The physical location of the Colony will obviously be revealed upon arrival.
As far as your issues with a free society versus some state.....there is no longer any need to speak in the hypothetical and there is no need to establish a constitution or a state, in fact that would defeat the purpose.
Maxliberty:In 1620 the Pilgrims sailed for the New World, having never seen it, having no pictures and barely any information on the area. They didn't undertake this dangerous journey because they thought it would be easy or because they thought the journey would be fun. They set out to create a place where they could be free. Was that ludicrous? Is freedom ludicrous?
The great thing about citing historical precedent is there is such a wealth of information to chose from.
The only thing that saved the Plymouth colonists from the 'starving winter' that the Jamestown colonists faced was the good graces of the locals. You know, Thanksgiving and all that.
Per your response to the abortion question this is starting to sound a lot more like Jonestown than Jamestown though.
I'm seriously wary of anyone who claims that you can contractually sign away your right to life.
What happens when SDK runs out of land to give to colonists?
Also, what happens after 60 days? It takes more than 60 days to have your land produce decent crops. What about farm animals? Are you going to have animals on your "arc"?
How do you know the locals will be happy and excited that you are arriving?
If the country you are going to is "instable" or whatever you want to call it, what are you going to do in the future? Let's call this country you are going to, Libertopia. What if Libertopia all of a sudden decides to elect a government and they don't want you there anymore?
200 colonists against a bunch of wild, upset natives trying to force you out?