The Race Card

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I get the exact opposite. I'm black and female, so whenever I tell other black people about libertarianism and the free market, and I that, no, I don't support Obama,lol, they flip out. They think I'm "trying to be white." This has happens ever since was in grade school; everybody though I was white b/c I didn't speak slang, b/c my mom grew up in Grenada where the British eductaion was prominent, so poor grammar was never accepted in my home. But I'd prefer to be free, I do not want anything from a government that has enslaved and oppressed blacks is what I say to those people who freak out on me,lol.

Dylangal:

I don't support Obama,lol, they flip out. They think I'm "trying to be white."

You should point out that Obama must have millions of white supporters, and in many more numbers than black ones, or he wouldn't have enough people backing him to beat Hillary. Anyway, that's some weird logic fallacious to use -- but I'm guessing a lot of them don't really think like that, they just don't care much about politics and are joking with you... That should explain some of the responses the poster got -- a lot of people don't know how and don't like to think and argue.

To the poster, the important point to make is that you agree with the other guy on the ends (maybe not exactly, but whatever), the disagreement is just on how to achieve them. Clearly these people are talking from an utilitarian POV, and if you start justifying yourself by using liberty, they'll think you're insensible to the poor, and will justify their position based on slavery of the past, the rich people owning all the good lands or whatever. And it's very important you show them the unintented consequences of their positions as well. I'm talking here of addressing ordinary people -- dunno about commies and etc.

 

".......I get the exact opposite. I'm black and female, so whenever I tell other black people about libertarianism and the free market, and I that, no, I don't support Obama,lol, they flip out. They think I'm "trying to be white." This has happens ever since was in grade school; everybody though I was white b/c I didn't speak slang, b/c my mom grew up in Grenada where the British eductaion was prominent, so poor grammar was never accepted in my home. But I'd prefer to be free, I do not want anything from a government that has enslaved and oppressed blacks is what I say to those people who freak out on me,lol....."

It is obvious that libertarianism (or for that matter any individualist philosophy) is almost exclusively a White domain. Ethnic (or familial, religious) solidarity plays some role in politics almost everywhere. It seems however to be much stronger in Black people in Africa and elsewhere.
i.e. While James Shikwati is considered a libertarian by many, he also takes a communitarian stance in many ways.

"...You should point out that Obama must have millions of white supporters, and in many more numbers than black ones, or he wouldn't have enough people backing him to beat Hillary. Anyway, that's some weird logic fallacious to use -- but I'm guessing a lot of them don't really think like that, they just don't care much about politics and are joking with you... That should explain some of the responses the poster got -- a lot of people don't know how and don't like to think and argue...."

Concerning Obama having White Supporters(Democrats) - in connection with arguments on "playing the race card". I'd reply to that is actually not Obama himself doing it that much, at least I don't see that. Or is he saying something in the line of: "I'm Black, please vote for me." Isn't it rather his White supporters trying to play the Race Card using him? They'd do so by implying:"You have to vote democrats, because we are politically correct. If you do not vote Democrats, you must be racist, because we are the ones with the "minority" candidate".