The Mises Community
An online community for fans of Austrian economics and libertarianism, featuring forums, user blogs, and more.

disturbing new (to me) Obama ad.

rated by 0 users
This post has 40 Replies | 11 Followers

Top 75 Contributor
Male
Posts 144
Points 3,240
JohnSchreimann Posted: Tue, Jun 3 2008 3:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghSJsEVf0pU

O-bam-uh ob-ahm-uh o-bomb-uh

  • | Post Points: 140
Top 10 Contributor
Male
Posts 1,759
Points 26,875
ForumsAdministrator

Oh how I wish I too could bask in the light of St Obama. Confused

Silly cultists.

-Jon

I cannot be caged. I cannot be controlled. Understand this as you die, ever pathetic, ever fools.

Irenicus' Diaries.

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 50 Contributor
Posts 282
Points 6,435
OMGZ!!! Celebrities!! I'll do whatever they say, because they are so smart and informed and surely wouldn't just pick causes based on what they think is the most popular one at the time to gain publicity and thus increase their own net worth...

I saw Obama respond to a question on NAU/Amero a few days ago. Until that point, I had considered him somewhat reasonable, if misguided. But hearing him characterize the entire issue as some blog-borne conspiracy theory made me understand that he really is just another puppet.

Not that I fully buy into the NAU thing, but considering the immense enthusiasm the political elites have to centralizing everything (EU, South American Union, African Union, etc), I consider the NAU as a natural extension of that trend.
Drag not your strength from government, but from the voices they abuse.
  • | Post Points: 5
Top 75 Contributor
Male
Posts 144
Points 3,240

from the description:

 

some say this whole Obama movement is "cult like"...
well...
if it comes across cult like...
then...
the cult is called America...

I agree with that.  The American state and Obama's cult of personality.

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 50 Contributor
Posts 282
Points 6,435
JohnSchreimann:
I agree with that.  The American state and Obama's cult of personality.


The cult-word gets thrown around quite easily these days. I'm not surprised, since you have candidates like McCain who can't even fill a bus-stop with supporters. So getting crowds in the thousands must seem cultish.

That being said, Obama supporters are way too irrational for my taste. I don't think I've ever heard an Obama supporter cite a specific policy that they especially like. It's always the standard dribble, like in the video, about hope, change, 'living without fear' and so on.

Drag not your strength from government, but from the voices they abuse.
  • | Post Points: 20
Top 150 Contributor
Male
Posts 82
Points 1,915

9,9 times out of 10, deified politicians didn't achieve their status by working social miracles, but by giving their petty little brand of coercion a really admirable glow.

Lincoln, Roosevelt, Reagan. The list goes on and on.

The problem with Obama, however, is that he has been awarded his halo even before he had the chance to effect anything, and be it just more pain and suffering. Methinks this creates a dangerous atmosphere with Obama being granted the privilege of fools right from the start. Obama invades [random Muslim country]? Must've been for the good cause. Obama raises taxes? It's about fair social change. Obama raped your daughter? She's almost as blessed as Mary, then.

Scary guy.


  • | Post Points: 5
Top 50 Contributor
Posts 374
Points 9,375

I actually tried to debate an Obama supporter and all I got was fluff.  The scary part is that he talks about a globally connected world, which I infer means needing someone to over see that global interconnection.  Here is the conversation:

ViennaSausage

Looks like Obama is rocking the house on the dems side.  I still don't fully understand his allure.  Besides that he is a person of color. Mind sharing your insights him?  Why is he a better choice than Clinton, McCain, or Ron Paul?  I still don't get it.  Your help appreciated.

###

Obama Supporter

Really?  You still don't get it?

He has certain intangible things that just cannot be taught.  I don't think he's just rocking the dems side, but politics in general.

People get excited when he speaks, he has a charisma that people haven't seen in politics for awhile.  His ability to inspire can bring people from all different backgrounds together.  In the context of this politics of division that we have endured over the past decade or so...his message resonates very deeply for millions of Americans who have lost hope in this political system.

Obama doesn't just represent himself and his politics.  He is the representation of something totally different.

He's young, with a global upbringing.  He's Harvard educated, and yet his professional experience is lawyer and organizer for the poor, a university professor, and a relatively young stint as a politician.

He represents a break from the past, a fresh of breath air in a culture of fear.

That's the thing with Obama.  And when you talk to many of his supporters, and new supporters.  You can talk talk talk about issues.  But it really doesn't mean *** to Americans who are used to empty promises from the establishment.  Obama's really smart in his politics of hope.  He wrote an entire book on Hope.  That book basically highlights his whole entire politics.  It's a clean break from the establishment, and gives an honest account of really bringing America together, no matter if you're Left or Right.

Clinton and McCain represent the establishment.  While Ron Paul is a little too polarizing to make a real difference, look at the polls.

If you don't get it.  Why not read "Audacity of Hope" to get a better picture of what he represents.

Obama's message is like vinegar to the baking soda of the current American masses.

###

ViennaSausage

Out of curiosity do you support most of his policies?  Health Care, Education, Economic, etc...?  Or do you disagree with a few.

I disagree with a few positions on Ron Paul, but I think the direction of a Ron Paul administration would do wonders to our country.

###

Obama Supporter

issues blah blah blah.  once again, i'm saying it again.  Obama is bringing a more big picture change to American politics.  He is ushering the United States into this globally interconnected world.  He has the background, the intelligence, and the heart to respond to such challenges, especially in integrating America, rather than separating America from the rest of the world.

###

 

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 25 Contributor
Male
Posts 635
Points 9,560

ViennaSausage:

I actually tried to debate an Obama supporter and all I got was fluff.  The scary part is that he talks about a globally connected world, which I infer means needing someone to over see that global interconnection.  Here is the conversation:

ViennaSausage

Looks like Obama is rocking the house on the dems side.  I still don't fully understand his allure.  Besides that he is a person of color. Mind sharing your insights him?  Why is he a better choice than Clinton, McCain, or Ron Paul?  I still don't get it.  Your help appreciated.

###

Obama Supporter

Really?  You still don't get it?

He has certain intangible things that just cannot be taught.  I don't think he's just rocking the dems side, but politics in general.

People get excited when he speaks, he has a charisma that people haven't seen in politics for awhile.  His ability to inspire can bring people from all different backgrounds together.  In the context of this politics of division that we have endured over the past decade or so...his message resonates very deeply for millions of Americans who have lost hope in this political system.

Obama doesn't just represent himself and his politics.  He is the representation of something totally different.

He's young, with a global upbringing.  He's Harvard educated, and yet his professional experience is lawyer and organizer for the poor, a university professor, and a relatively young stint as a politician.

He represents a break from the past, a fresh of breath air in a culture of fear.

That's the thing with Obama.  And when you talk to many of his supporters, and new supporters.  You can talk talk talk about issues.  But it really doesn't mean *** to Americans who are used to empty promises from the establishment.  Obama's really smart in his politics of hope.  He wrote an entire book on Hope.  That book basically highlights his whole entire politics.  It's a clean break from the establishment, and gives an honest account of really bringing America together, no matter if you're Left or Right.

Clinton and McCain represent the establishment.  While Ron Paul is a little too polarizing to make a real difference, look at the polls.

If you don't get it.  Why not read "Audacity of Hope" to get a better picture of what he represents.

Obama's message is like vinegar to the baking soda of the current American masses.

###

ViennaSausage

Out of curiosity do you support most of his policies?  Health Care, Education, Economic, etc...?  Or do you disagree with a few.

I disagree with a few positions on Ron Paul, but I think the direction of a Ron Paul administration would do wonders to our country.

###

Obama Supporter

issues blah blah blah.  once again, i'm saying it again.  Obama is bringing a more big picture change to American politics.  He is ushering the United States into this globally interconnected world.  He has the background, the intelligence, and the heart to respond to such challenges, especially in integrating America, rather than separating America from the rest of the world.

###

 


My brain almost shut down reading this emotive drivel. 

What's even more madenning is that after a few months when this charlatan is elected, only then will it become remotley fashionable for supporters to remotley consider thinking about anything he does critically, and that's through rose colored glasses as well.

Politics need to die, frankly.

 

  • | Post Points: 20
Not Ranked
Posts 3
Points 30

"This is our America, this is my America, this is your America"

 - to which I reply...

 

This is MY life!

This is MY liberty!

This is MY property!

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 10 Contributor
Male
Posts 1,759
Points 26,875
ForumsAdministrator

Even if you don't believe in Obama, he believes in YOU! Big Smile

-Jon

I cannot be caged. I cannot be controlled. Understand this as you die, ever pathetic, ever fools.

Irenicus' Diaries.

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 21
Points 300

Behold the masses.

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 25 Contributor
Male
Posts 593
Points 9,550
MacFall replied on Tue, Jun 3 2008 6:58 PM

Only two things in this world scare me - the combination of good intentions with power, and the bleating herd that isn't scared by that combination.

This is just creepy.

Pro Christo et Libertate integre!

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 75 Contributor
Male
Posts 144
Points 3,240

Watch this video where important celebs talk about The Man while Forrest Gump theme plays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQZL5BF715g

"I'm Matt Daaaamon!"

  • | Post Points: 65
Top 10 Contributor
Male
Posts 1,143
Points 19,875
Juan replied on Tue, Jun 3 2008 8:01 PM
four legs good, two legs bad
  • | Post Points: 5
Top 50 Contributor
Posts 374
Points 9,375

Nitroadict:
My brain almost shut down reading this emotive drivel. 

I feel your pain.  I am still looking for an Obama supporter that can at least defend Obama's positions, as opposed to just talking about Hope and Change.  I've had more success swaying Clinton suppoters towards considering a libertarian platform (the Ron Paul flavor of libertarianism).  It's tough to dig through emotions to get to reason and rationality.

  • | Post Points: 20
Top 50 Contributor
Posts 374
Points 9,375