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JohnSchreimann Posted: Wed, May 28 2008 3:13 PM

"For two hundred years, the United States has made it clear that we won’t stand for foreign intervention..."

 

Meanwhile talking for the previous 15 minutes about how he is going to run a drug war in Latin America and make "the Americas" his top priority... including yelling at Haiti and Hugo Chavez and everyone else.  Never seeing the irony or massive hubris in his own statements.  In fact, Obama has been turning out to be even more of an interventionist than Bush or McCain.  In this speech from last Friday at the Cuban America National Foundation, he criticizes Bush and McMurder for supposedly not interfering in the world enough.  Which proves my hypothesis that the Democrats are only sad that their own murderous imperial regime isn't in power.  And that more money isn't going into the welfare state (though if not enough is going in, I don't know how much would actually please them).

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Magnus replied on Wed, May 28 2008 3:25 PM

 If Obama becomes president and a hole new chapter of American interventionism is added to history, well what will all the mercedes-marxists in Hollywood think of him then? Seeing how they hate George Bushs war in Iraq I guess they will all come too turns with their complete and utter inability  too understand war and politics, or maybe not....

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Magnus:

 If Obama becomes president and a hole new chapter of American interventionism is added to history, well what will all the mercedes-marxists in Hollywood think of him then? Seeing how they hate George Bushs war in Iraq I guess they will all come too turns with their complete and utter inability  too understand war and politics, or maybe not....

No way. They cheered for Clinton's war.

They aren't against war, they are against Republican policies.

 

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Obama makes me far more nervous than McCain, to be honest. McCain is an evil I know. Obama is a total mystery. He will talk about diplomacy and spreading the war in the same sentence without anyone really flinching or calling him on it. McCain can't even breathe in general direction of Iran without being accused of warmongering.

In the perverse world of representative democracy, the hated warmonger is a safer option than the charismatic "nice guy".
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The great Joseph Sobran:

"If you want government to intervene domestically, you're a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you're a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you're a moderate. If you don't want government to intervene anywhere, you're an extremist."

 

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shazam replied on Wed, May 28 2008 6:38 PM

 So far, Obama wants to intervene in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Sudan, and now Latin America. And Obama is supposedly the anti-war candidate?

Anarcho-capitalism boogeyman

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Magnus replied on Wed, May 28 2008 6:55 PM

 I totally agree, with McCain as president the world will keep an eye out for trouble from the very start.

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As of the last 2 decades, it seems as though if there is Dem in office, foriegn interventionism is page 6, whereas if a Rep is in office, foriegn interventionism is Front Page.  If we look at all three of their positions, McCain, Clinton, and Obama, they are virtually all the same.

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I was just thinking about this fact the other day.  Bush came in on a policy of limited government and no nation building in 2000 (and of course lied).  Obama is running on a policy of unlimited government and unlimited nation building from the get go.

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From the New Statesman magazine (the same rag that Keynes wrote for):

Obama is a truly Democratic Expansionist

He (Obama) promised to support an "undivided Jerusalem" as Israel's capital. Not a single government on earth supports the Israeli annexation of all Jerusalem, including the Bush regime, which recognises the UN resolution designating Jerusalem an international city.

 

Speaking to the expatriate Cuban community - which over the years has faithfully produced terrorists, drug runners and assassins for US administrations - Obama promised to continue a 47-year crippling embargo on Cuba that has been declared illegalby the UN year after year.

Obama said that the United States had "lost Latin America". He described Venezuela, Bolivia and Nicaragua as a "vacuum" to be filled.

Obama is a hawk and an expansionist. He comes from an unbroken Democratic tradition of warmaking presidents Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton. However much the colour of his skin draws out both racists and supporters, it is otherwise irrelevant to the great power game.

 

Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan, Haiti, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Palestine.

This man is indeed more freightening that John "bomb-bomb-bomb -- bomb bomb Iran" McCain.

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aren't you guys excited that a democrat, Obama, is going to be the next preisdent of USA. The next great depression is likely to happen in Obama's term.  If they think that a Democrat president is better than a republican president, thanks to Bush, and then the economic recession that we've been predicting happens in Obama's term. How is the American public going to react?

I can't wait...

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Peter Griffin:

aren't you guys excited that a democrat, Obama, is going to be the next preisdent of USA. The next great depression is likely to happen in Obama's term.  If they think that a Democrat president is better than a republican president, thanks to Bush, and then the economic recession that we've been predicting happens in Obama's term. How is the American public going to react?

I can't wait...

 

So next time they elect a republican? Why is this a good thing?

 

 

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Peter Griffin:

aren't you guys excited that a democrat, Obama, is going to be the next preisdent of USA. The next great depression is likely to happen in Obama's term.  If they think that a Democrat president is better than a republican president, thanks to Bush, and then the economic recession that we've been predicting happens in Obama's term. How is the American public going to react?

I can't wait...

 

I am hopeful that an heroic Obama can rescue the US from this depression with a generous government spending package. Americans deserve a new deal.

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 It's a good thing because they'll probably elect a limited government Republican, not a McCain next time.

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GilesStratton:
So next time they elect a republican? Why is this a good thing?

I'm pretty sure they will

It's not a good thing, I just think it's just funny..

 

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 Does anyone else think it's scary that, according to the History Channel at least, the world is *supposed* to end in 2012? The same year Obama's first term will end...

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