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I am the great satan!

Latest post Sun, May 18 2008 10:57 AM by Ego. 25 replies.
  • Fri, May 16 2008 1:28 AM

    • ChaseCola
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    I am the great satan!

     I just donated $31 to Bob Barr. I think he has a really good chance of getting some media attention and moving people in our direction. I would love a smaller government voice to be in the debates.

     

    disclaimer: I know he is not even close to being perfect, but is a step in the right direction.

     "The plans differ; the planners are all alike"

    -Bastiat

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 2:26 AM In reply to

    • Nitroadict
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    Re: I am the great satan!

    ChaseCola:

     I just donated $31 to Bob Barr. I think he has a really good chance of getting some media attention and moving people in our direction. I would love a smaller government voice to be in the debates.

     

    disclaimer: I know he is not even close to being perfect, but is a step in the right direction.

     

    Ehhhhhhhhh...

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 4:04 AM In reply to

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    Re: I am the great satan!

    There are worse things you could've spent it on.

     

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 7:33 AM In reply to

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    Re: I am the great satan!

    I told you... I told you, reformists this is what would happen when you started supporting Ron Paul.

     

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 7:37 AM In reply to

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    majevska:

    There are worse things you could've spent it on.

     

    Like what? Literally donating it to Satan?

     

     

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 7:42 AM In reply to

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    Re: I am the great satan!

    Bob Barr has a lot of explaining to do before I support him in his quest to become the Liberterian Candidate for president.  I want his opinions on the following and I am especially concerned about his opinion on the terrible War on Drugs.

    1. War on ?, Drugs, Poverty, Crazy People Living In Caves, Commies, , etc

    2. Federal Anti-Reserve and stealing money via inflation taxes.

    3. Energy policy

    4. Patroit Act and its partners from the Alien and Sedition Acts until Now.

    5. Foreign Aid.

    6. Environmental Policy.

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 7:50 AM In reply to

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    Re: I am the great satan!

    Niccolò:

    Like what? Literally donating it to Satan?

    I'm sure Satan doesn't need money Big Smile

     

    "What we do in life, echoes in eternity."

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 8:24 AM In reply to

    Re: I am the great satan!

    Barr is pro-war.  I couldn't donate to him anyway, but I definitely will not be supporting his campaign in any other (agoristic) manner.

     

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 12:39 PM In reply to

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    Re: I am the great satan!

    Niccolò:

    majevska:

    There are worse things you could've spent it on.

     

    Like what? Literally donating it to Satan?

     

     

    yep

     

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 1:04 PM In reply to

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    Re: I am the great satan!

    Beyond Niccolo's points, there are questions here even for a reformer. Suppose Barr does get into the debates, something no previous LP candidate has done. Would this be good or bad? Well, there are people who don't know what libertarianism is - what conclusion will they draw when Barr speaks about DOMA, advocates sanctions, encourages the use of foreign aid for fighting drugs in South America, mentions his past with the CIA... This is beyond the conclusions they will draw just from seeing him there - such as that libertarians agreed with the Clinton impeachment and are a-ok with his get tough on crime mentality. So, right off the bat no leftist will be able to think about libertarianism without picturing Barr, an effect that poor candidates in the past didn't have, simply because they weren't well-exposed. Also, libertarians, such as yourself, will be deluded into supporting him, as the LP candidate. I just read an LRC article where Dr. Block said that, as a libertarian, he is committed to supporting the LP candidate - how many think that way? Now, in Dr. Block's case, this won't result in him embracing Barr's non-libertarian stances, but not everyone thinks as clearly. If someone has libertarian instincts, but wants to be well-accepted in "polite society" they will have the excuse they need to embrace warfare. Now, Niccolo does have a point that the Barr fiasco is an expected result of the Paul candidacy. First, it encouraged libertarians to work within politics, and accustomed them to mixing in conservatism with their libertarianism. It moved libertarians a step to the right, which opened them up to the next step - Barr. Next, it brought lots of conservatives, including far-right JBS types, into libertarianism, laying the groundwork for the paleocon takeover we're looking at if Barr is nominated. Niccolo has made me think carefully about whether or not Paul was worth it. I think he was, but that this argument does give me reason to think. At the same time, I don't necessarily accept Niccolo's suggestion that this is an inevitable consequence - I think even if we say that the Paul campaign led to this, it remains a possibility that we could have had the Paul campaign without this. In fact, I think we can still fight it. That's why I wrote my LRC article on Barr the other day. It's also why LP radicals are building sites like badbarr2008.com , which the OP might care to look at. I am advocating that Ruwart be nominated, but I understand the heavy temptation Barr presents even to real libertarians - "wow, a candidate people have heard of! Who was a Congressman!" That's why I have suggested that the hardcore present Gravel as a fallback plan, a compromise. He is more of a classical liberal than Barr is, has as much if not more name recognition, was an elected Senator, and will not alienate the left. He's better than Barr, I propose.
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  • Fri, May 16 2008 1:14 PM In reply to

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    Re: I am the great satan!

     I'd rather have a lefty libertarian esque candidate like Gravel instead of a righty fascist esque like Barr.

    Although Gravel scares me with his MOB-ocracy idea

    The only LP candidate that is worth anything to minarchist directions is Christine Smith. She should not even be in the LP

    Democracy is nothing more than replacing bullets with ballots

     

    If Pro is the opposite of Con. What is the opposite of Progress?

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 1:19 PM In reply to

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    JAlanKatz:
    I just read an LRC article where Dr. Block said that, as a libertarian, he is committed to supporting the LP candidate - how many think that way?

    I'm not sure that line in article wasn't tongue in cheek.  I find it difficult to believe Dr. Block would vote for a LP candidate over say RP if he was the GOP candidate.  Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

     

     

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    Re: I am the great satan!

    I only supported RP because I didn't know as much as I do now.  Even when I did, I did not like Bob Barr at all.  Even reformists are scratching their head at Barr.

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 1:24 PM In reply to

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    Re: I am the great satan!

    Why not Ruwarchy which you cannot spell without WAR?
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  • Fri, May 16 2008 1:27 PM In reply to

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    Re: I am the great satan!

    liberty student:

    JAlanKatz:
    I just read an LRC article where Dr. Block said that, as a libertarian, he is committed to supporting the LP candidate - how many think that way?

    I'm not sure that line in article wasn't tongue in cheek.  I find it difficult to believe Dr. Block would vote for a LP candidate over say RP if he was the GOP candidate.  Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

     

     

     

    Walter Block: International Man of Mystery.

    I smell an expose, I do, I do.

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 1:28 PM In reply to

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    liberty student:

    JAlanKatz:
    I just read an LRC article where Dr. Block said that, as a libertarian, he is committed to supporting the LP candidate - how many think that way?

    I'm not sure that line in article wasn't tongue in cheek.  I find it difficult to believe Dr. Block would vote for a LP candidate over say RP if he was the GOP candidate.  Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

     

     

     

    Walter Block: International Man Of Mystery

    I smell an expose, I do, I do.

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 1:35 PM In reply to

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    Re: I am the great satan!

    liberty student:

    JAlanKatz:
    I just read an LRC article where Dr. Block said that, as a libertarian, he is committed to supporting the LP candidate - how many think that way?

    I'm not sure that line in article wasn't tongue in cheek.  I find it difficult to believe Dr. Block would vote for a LP candidate over say RP if he was the GOP candidate.  Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

    From the context, it's clear that his remarks were predicated on the assumption that McCain is the Republican candidate. Which happens to be a virtual certainty.

    --Len

     

     

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  • Fri, May 16 2008 2:38 PM In reply to

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    Ok fine, but he makes the point that voting LP is something that libertarians do.

    As a libertarian, I must of course support for the presidency of the U.S. in the upcoming election whoever is the candidate of the Libertarian Party. (It’s a libertarian thing; you wouldn’t understand.)

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block99.html

    Seems sarcastic to me.

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