Many supporters of "The Revolution" are proposing a run on the bank from June 5th through June 15th.
http://thisjune5th.com
Is it worth it? What are the implications if it is successful, meaning there is a mass of individuals that actually withdraw their money? Does it do more harm than good? Are you going to participate? Why or why not?
Harksaw: Well, first off, it is extremely unlikely they will get enough people to do this when they couldn't get enough people to vote for Paul. Secondly, if it was widescale, it would likely lead to a large contraction in the money supply or a speedy running of the printing presses to bring M0 up to M3. In either case, not pretty.
Well, first off, it is extremely unlikely they will get enough people to do this when they couldn't get enough people to vote for Paul.
Secondly, if it was widescale, it would likely lead to a large contraction in the money supply or a speedy running of the printing presses to bring M0 up to M3. In either case, not pretty.
As opposed to later troubles? Seems a bit like a move at trying to rip the band-aid (er, adhesive strip) off instead of slowly peeling it off & putting it back on.
Niccolò: ThorsMitersaw: Honestly I think you look to unfavorably upon the whole of them Nic. There are soem good ones in there. A lot fo them. Theres some group of them trying to organize and buy consecutive plots of land in order to form a community of liberty oriented people. I was quite surprised by that one honestly. I wish they would drop Paul and pick up the gadsden flag and just start pouring all that zeal into themselves Definitely agood point. I think I have been a little hard on the whole of the Paul movement, but as I can tell, most of them are not so much libertarian as they are just constitutionalists confused with that being synonymous with libertarian. I don't like that and it's why I'm so vehement about denouncing it. The idea for buying large areas of land is interesting, but if still connected to Paul, it sounds a little cultic... If Anarchist, however, I could totally get behind that.
ThorsMitersaw: Honestly I think you look to unfavorably upon the whole of them Nic. There are soem good ones in there. A lot fo them. Theres some group of them trying to organize and buy consecutive plots of land in order to form a community of liberty oriented people. I was quite surprised by that one honestly. I wish they would drop Paul and pick up the gadsden flag and just start pouring all that zeal into themselves
Honestly I think you look to unfavorably upon the whole of them Nic. There are soem good ones in there. A lot fo them. Theres some group of them trying to organize and buy consecutive plots of land in order to form a community of liberty oriented people. I was quite surprised by that one honestly.
I wish they would drop Paul and pick up the gadsden flag and just start pouring all that zeal into themselves
Definitely agood point. I think I have been a little hard on the whole of the Paul movement, but as I can tell, most of them are not so much libertarian as they are just constitutionalists confused with that being synonymous with libertarian. I don't like that and it's why I'm so vehement about denouncing it.
The idea for buying large areas of land is interesting, but if still connected to Paul, it sounds a little cultic... If Anarchist, however, I could totally get behind that.
Yea I definetly see that confusion being somethign to always point out. I just look at them and see myself a few years ago. So I see a lot of opportiunity in there to grab them, slap some sense into them.
I agree on the cultish part too but hopefully when paul passes out of the lime light, they will continue this same kind of behavior.
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Nitroadict: I think a good deal of them are already doing that; the buying of land to allow fellow supporters to co-exist in a certain place would, I think, eventually draw a friendly confrontation of ideas, between those who are more agorist & apolitical, and those who agree with the RP platform 100% & are political, as well as others who merely support RP for a single given issue, etc. While I view the political campaign as a failure, as well as RP in a less than favorable light, the supporters are actually continually interesting to watch; imo, they are putting to test some central concepts to memetics, as well the obvious spontaneous order & emergent behavior theories. The fact they are continuing their decentralized organization & indirect action is surprsing enough, and is showing anyone who is watching that the protest isn't dead. I would be willing to bet my savings that the supporters will adopt more direct action & more various strategies as they look upon new sources for inspiration & knowledge (after being shown 'the door' by the RP meme).Although I keep saying 'they', I may or may not end up re-joining any efforts if they become more apolitical/agorist/direct actions. If nothing else, the buying of land was an unexpected move that definitely got my interest, as well the reverse money bomb.
I think a good deal of them are already doing that; the buying of land to allow fellow supporters to co-exist in a certain place would, I think, eventually draw a friendly confrontation of ideas, between those who are more agorist & apolitical, and those who agree with the RP platform 100% & are political, as well as others who merely support RP for a single given issue, etc. While I view the political campaign as a failure, as well as RP in a less than favorable light, the supporters are actually continually interesting to watch; imo, they are putting to test some central concepts to memetics, as well the obvious spontaneous order & emergent behavior theories. The fact they are continuing their decentralized organization & indirect action is surprsing enough, and is showing anyone who is watching that the protest isn't dead. I would be willing to bet my savings that the supporters will adopt more direct action & more various strategies as they look upon new sources for inspiration & knowledge (after being shown 'the door' by the RP meme).Although I keep saying 'they', I may or may not end up re-joining any efforts if they become more apolitical/agorist/direct actions. If nothing else, the buying of land was an unexpected move that definitely got my interest, as well the reverse money bomb.
Non political action is something that honestly draws me very much to looking more at the free state project. It looks as if there are some rather large and regular groups practicing a lot of civil disobediance up there. Do you think the free state project classifies as "anarchozionism", as Konkin noted? I would tend to say no.
liberty student:Google "Paulville".
Thanks. I looked into it. A co-op eh?
Well, I hope they reach some critical mass to make it viable for a time. Then, watching the precise way they fail will be a valuable empirical exercise, very informative.
The state won't go away once enough people want the state to go away, the state will effectively disappear once enough people no longer care that much whether it stays or goes. We don't need a revolution, we need millions of them.
ThorsMitersaw: Nitroadict: I think a good deal of them are already doing that; the buying of land to allow fellow supporters to co-exist in a certain place would, I think, eventually draw a friendly confrontation of ideas, between those who are more agorist & apolitical, and those who agree with the RP platform 100% & are political, as well as others who merely support RP for a single given issue, etc. While I view the political campaign as a failure, as well as RP in a less than favorable light, the supporters are actually continually interesting to watch; imo, they are putting to test some central concepts to memetics, as well the obvious spontaneous order & emergent behavior theories. The fact they are continuing their decentralized organization & indirect action is surprsing enough, and is showing anyone who is watching that the protest isn't dead. I would be willing to bet my savings that the supporters will adopt more direct action & more various strategies as they look upon new sources for inspiration & knowledge (after being shown 'the door' by the RP meme).Although I keep saying 'they', I may or may not end up re-joining any efforts if they become more apolitical/agorist/direct actions. If nothing else, the buying of land was an unexpected move that definitely got my interest, as well the reverse money bomb. Non political action is something that honestly draws me very much to looking more at the free state project. It looks as if there are some rather large and regular groups practicing a lot of civil disobediance up there. Do you think the free state project classifies as "anarchozionism", as Konkin noted? I would tend to say no.
I'm not so sure myself, actually; the free state project does acknowledge the long term, and therefore doesn't immediatly delve into any promises of a "get-liberty-quick" scheme, however it does acknowledge political means of change, which I think Konkin would probably view as "impatient" (which he viewed the impatient as prone to being seduced by political opportunism). I think that if the FSP doesn't reject agorists & etc. (which to my knowledge, it doesn't), it will be a mix of "yes" & "no" in regards to "anarchozionism". I would probably say the same with "Paulville", but it would dependant on the individuals.However, I'm merley speculating without having been involved with the FSP, nor have visited the state in which they are currently migrating to (NH), so I could be completly wrong here.
Nitroadict: I'm not so sure myself, actually; the free state project does acknowledge the long term, and therefore doesn't immediatly delve into any promises of a "get-liberty-quick" scheme, however it does acknowledge political means of change, which I think Konkin would probably view as "impatient" (which he viewed the impatient as prone to being seduced by political opportunism). I think that if the FSP doesn't reject agorists & etc. (which to my knowledge, it doesn't), it will be a mix of "yes" & "no" in regards to "anarchozionism". I would probably say the same with "Paulville", but it would dependant on the individuals.However, I'm merley speculating without having been involved with the FSP, nor have visited the state in which they are currently migrating to (NH), so I could be completly wrong here.
From what I'm hearing, the FSP has little to nothing left to do with political activities anymore. Outside of some referendums, in fact, I think few are even voting. It seems to now be more about direct action and the progress of the movement seems to be radicalizing farther down the Anarchist contingency.
I would say that FSP once may have qualified for a "yes and no" category, but with many beginning to realize that political action is futile and counter-productive, it seems to be more about organized tax resistance, civil disobedience, and collaborations than about political action. I don't think FSP, currently, qualifies for anarchozionism at all.
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Niccolò: Nitroadict: I'm not so sure myself, actually; the free state project does acknowledge the long term, and therefore doesn't immediatly delve into any promises of a "get-liberty-quick" scheme, however it does acknowledge political means of change, which I think Konkin would probably view as "impatient" (which he viewed the impatient as prone to being seduced by political opportunism). I think that if the FSP doesn't reject agorists & etc. (which to my knowledge, it doesn't), it will be a mix of "yes" & "no" in regards to "anarchozionism". I would probably say the same with "Paulville", but it would dependant on the individuals.However, I'm merley speculating without having been involved with the FSP, nor have visited the state in which they are currently migrating to (NH), so I could be completly wrong here. From what I'm hearing, the FSP has little to nothing left to do with political activities anymore. Outside of some referendums, in fact, I think few are even voting. It seems to now be more about direct action and the progress of the movement seems to be radicalizing farther down the Anarchist contingency. I would say that FSP once may have qualified for a "yes and no" category, but with many beginning to realize that political action is futile and counter-productive, it seems to be more about organized tax resistance, civil disobedience, and collaborations than about political action. I don't think FSP, currently, qualifies for anarchozionism at all.
That's encouraging actually, especially with the Paulites recent signs towards different, non-political tactics. I just haven't kept tabs on the FSP, so I couldn't say for certain. I'm considerably more motivated to move up there now.
Nitroadict: ThorsMitersaw: Nitroadict: I think a good deal of them are already doing that; the buying of land to allow fellow supporters to co-exist in a certain place would, I think, eventually draw a friendly confrontation of ideas, between those who are more agorist & apolitical, and those who agree with the RP platform 100% & are political, as well as others who merely support RP for a single given issue, etc. While I view the political campaign as a failure, as well as RP in a less than favorable light, the supporters are actually continually interesting to watch; imo, they are putting to test some central concepts to memetics, as well the obvious spontaneous order & emergent behavior theories. The fact they are continuing their decentralized organization & indirect action is surprsing enough, and is showing anyone who is watching that the protest isn't dead. I would be willing to bet my savings that the supporters will adopt more direct action & more various strategies as they look upon new sources for inspiration & knowledge (after being shown 'the door' by the RP meme).Although I keep saying 'they', I may or may not end up re-joining any efforts if they become more apolitical/agorist/direct actions. If nothing else, the buying of land was an unexpected move that definitely got my interest, as well the reverse money bomb. Non political action is something that honestly draws me very much to looking more at the free state project. It looks as if there are some rather large and regular groups practicing a lot of civil disobediance up there. Do you think the free state project classifies as "anarchozionism", as Konkin noted? I would tend to say no. I'm not so sure myself, actually; the free state project does acknowledge the long term, and therefore doesn't immediatly delve into any promises of a "get-liberty-quick" scheme, however it does acknowledge political means of change, which I think Konkin would probably view as "impatient" (which he viewed the impatient as prone to being seduced by political opportunism). I think that if the FSP doesn't reject agorists & etc. (which to my knowledge, it doesn't), it will be a mix of "yes" & "no" in regards to "anarchozionism". I would probably say the same with "Paulville", but it would dependant on the individuals.However, I'm merley speculating without having been involved with the FSP, nor have visited the state in which they are currently migrating to (NH), so I could be completly wrong here.
I am thinking about going to the next Porcfest or whatever the hell just to check the guys there out and all. Get a better feel for ***.
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