So being new to this whole Agorism idea, I have a serious question. Is there some kind of list of agorist businesses? Like, I need a haircut, where do I go to find a tax-free transaction?
As well as being happy to play the consumer in a tax-free transaction, I also run a business which is about to reach the sales stage. Is there some kind of code-word or something used to indicate a willingness to make such transactions? Like "Thanks for visiting NYC Volcano, your agorist-friendly vaporizer purveyor"?
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maxpot46:So being new to this whole Agorism idea, I have a serious question. Is there some kind of list of agorist businesses? Like, I need a haircut, where do I go to find a tax-free transaction?
Agorism is a new philosophy and has only been around - not to mention neglected - for about thirty years.Understand that Agorism runs in phases and that the organization of Agorist cells does not come in the first phase.
Right now, you probably view yourself as being in phase 0 - in the Micro terms, as SEK3 would put it. I, personally, feel I'm transitioning into phase 2.
At phase 0, however, nothing more can be done than getting to phase 1, that is, you must put the petty reformists and conservatives behind you and redirect your ideas towards direct action. Once you get here, you'll be in phase 1. In phase 1 you begin to form your own personal allies and you will see a natural organization forming. The organization will form out of other similar, though of course less radical, organizations if you're any good at subterfuge and sabotage. Once you have your allies together, you can begin to talk about trade and developing Agorist projects in your locale.
If you're interested though, I am in the process - the slow process - of developing a website that will serve as a publication for Agorist materials and a network for international Agorists to form bonds over that can be relegated down to their own localities. The project is called, The Counter-Economist, and I'm looking to put the site up soon.
To answer your questionthough, no, there is no "secret word" that you can use, at least not yet. It seems that you're looking at Agorism from a natural hierarchical perspective. You must understand though, there is not, nor should there ever be, an organization that will hand out orders from the top - at least not until the New Libretarian Alliance morphs into a Revolutionary Agorist Cadre/Congress/etc. Agorism intends to spread naturally through decentralized means empowering individuals to move by themselves. Yes, your comrades will help you glaldy, but not if you don't help yourself first.
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Niccolò:It seems that you're looking at Agorism from a natural hierarchical perspective.
No, it's more that I expect a 30-year old movement to have some kind of body of work in terms of inspiring independent organizations to develop and advance said movement. Since the movement in question is Agorism, I would have expected some kind of functioning counter-economy, maybe some lingo or something. I didn't realize I was supposed to build my own agorist network.
Anyway, I didn't create this thread to discuss Agorism, I'm looking for a way to facilitate tax-free transactions.
maxpot46: Niccolò:It seems that you're looking at Agorism from a natural hierarchical perspective. No, it's more that I expect a 30-year old movement to have some kind of body of work in terms of inspiring independent organizations to develop and advance said movement. Since the movement in question is Agorism, I would have expected some kind of functioning counter-economy, maybe some lingo or something. I didn't realize I was supposed to build my own agorist network. Anyway, I didn't create this thread to discuss Agorism, I'm looking for a way to facilitate tax-free transactions.
Libertarianism didn't wield the same pitiful power it has now when it was first thought of, nor did Socialism. How do you think movements are built? Or were you just expecting all the work to be there for you to feed off of without any dirt on your hands? Sorry, if that's what you expect then move on and quit looking for groups that will help you to facilitate tax-free transactions as no such organization exists - though one is in the very early stages of developing.
I'm sorry if this comes off as snobby - I am not meaning to do that in this thread, but if you're really not looking to put in the effort of finding people to trade with, organizing your own local groups, or putting in the time that others are, perhaps you should get out of both business and politics period.
I would suggest you spend more time with your wife and kid. Enjoy your life! Be happy and forget about what you've heard of liberty! Your heart doesn't seem to be in it and I think it will only lead you down a path of unhappiness where you will be completely drained of all hope and love for life.
You misunderstand. I view agorists as a demographic that offers a potential source of tax-free business transactions (which are obviously more profitable to me). I am a strategist and am seeking information so as to better understand what must be done to acheive my objectives.
And please, come off as snobby as you wish. I literally don't care at all. To me, the opinions of a pretentious college student are completely meaningless (except to the extent that they introduce me to more facts).
maxpot46:No, it's more that I expect a 30-year old movement to have some kind of body of work in terms of inspiring independent organizations to develop and advance said movement. Since the movement in question is Agorism, I would have expected some kind of functioning counter-economy, maybe some lingo or something. I didn't realize I was supposed to build my own agorist network.
There is one, many of the stores that accept liberty dollars are using counter economics. You can google a list of stores that accept them. If you find some that do go in and ask how they work out the taxes on this stuff... if they give you a bs answer then it's probably safe to say they're doing some things off the books. You have to talk to them a little to figure it out.It'd also help if you knew some agorist in real life.
I will explore the liberty dollar angle... thanks for the tip.
maxpot46: So being new to this whole Agorism idea, I have a serious question. Is there some kind of list of agorist businesses? Like, I need a haircut, where do I go to find a tax-free transaction? As well as being happy to play the consumer in a tax-free transaction, I also run a business which is about to reach the sales stage. Is there some kind of code-word or something used to indicate a willingness to make such transactions? Like "Thanks for visiting NYC Volcano, your agorist-friendly vaporizer purveyor"?
It's not a business yet but check out Gil Guillory's research into the viability of a subscription-based patrol and restitution service. We need more private security firms like this as well as private arbitration and mediation services (which are all booming industries, btw).
Yours in liberty,Geoffrey Allan PlaucheDoctoral CandidatePolitical ScienceLouisiana State University
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"(Who watches the watchmen?)-Juvenal, Satires VI.347
What is the website for the liberty dollar? Anyone actually have any?
A google search yields this: https://www.libertydollar.org
Just want to make sure this is legit.
maxpot46:I would have expected some kind of functioning counter-economy, maybe some lingo or something.
How do you know there's not? Unless you're already directly involved in a counter-economy network, the most likely way to hear about one is from the news coverage of the arrests and trials. The mob is one, though perhaps not consciously so, and not the most shining example in any case. The ones your looking for are the same ones you're least likely to have heard about.
maxpot46:I didn't realize I was supposed to build my own agorist network.
That's the whole point of Agorism, isn't it?
maxpot46:I'm looking for a way to facilitate tax-free transactions.
The way is to start doing them with whomever will agree to it. I'm really not sure what else you are looking for. If it's public enough to be just a link away, it's probably not Agorist. If it's organized, it's probably not Agorist.
The thing you have to accept when seeking statelessness is that you're on your own, and any help, assistance, or community you may wish to have has to be built or acquired, just like anything else of value. And in today's context, that generally means built, because everyone is starting nearly from scratch, and doing it in relative secrecy. When that is no longer true, then Agorism will no longer be a movement, it will just be.
The state won't go away once enough people want the state to go away, the state will effectively disappear once enough people no longer care that much whether it stays or goes. We don't need a revolution, we need millions of them.
ViennaSausage: What is the website for the liberty dollar? Anyone actually have any? A google search yields this: https://www.libertydollar.org Just want to make sure this is legit.
yup, that's it
Wasn't LibertyDollar raided by the feds not long ago? I'm not sure it's safe to do business with them. Or was it another gold currency company that this happened to?
ViennaSausage: What is the website for the liberty dollar? Just want to make sure this is legit.
What is the website for the liberty dollar?
Depends on your definition of "legit". The two most common definitions are mutually exclusive. Those who try to be legit by both definitions simultaneously end up in court with their bullion confiscated and their customers exposed.
If you meant is the URL the legit URL for the well-known Liberty Dollar organization, I think it is, but I can't be sure. I am sure that it no longer matters. Unless you just want an overpriced piece of silver with Ron Paul's picture on it.