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That's a thread from DemocraticUnderground.com, a website for members of the American leftist party (the Democratic Party)
The few reasonable posts in that thread are probably spies from FreeRepublic.com (an American right-wing site) who have somehow managed to reach a high post-count; I have no idea how considering you get banned if you say anything too pro-market.
Don't allow leftists to play games with definitions! Some of the libertarian-leaning leftists at this forum will try to redefine "left-wing" back to its original defition (Third Estate, limited government, free-markets, laissez-faire reforms, etc.). Fine! We non-leftists can't stop them from using their own personal definitions; they can use whatever labels they want to describe any concept they want.However, they have the audacity to then use their personal definition of "left-wing" (remember, the original definition, which is no longer valid) to prove that modern leftists are more libertarian than modern rightists! They will say that libertarianism is "inherently leftist" (again, using the original, no longer valid definition), and use that to insist that we should prefer and side with modern leftists over modern rightists.
Question their motives.
Ego: Link That's a thread from DemocraticUnderground.com, a website for members of the American leftist party (Democratic Party) The few reasonable posts in that thread are probably spies from FreeRepublic who somehow managed to reach a high post-count. There are several anti-leftists who managed to reach several thousand posts; I have no idea how considering you get banned if you say anything too pro-market.
That's a thread from DemocraticUnderground.com, a website for members of the American leftist party (Democratic Party)
The few reasonable posts in that thread are probably spies from FreeRepublic who somehow managed to reach a high post-count. There are several anti-leftists who managed to reach several thousand posts; I have no idea how considering you get banned if you say anything too pro-market.
Thanks for the link. It's been a long time since I've seen to many consecutive economics fallacies. Wow, economists really suck at educating the public.
"Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it." -Milton Friedman
"It is a mistake to think businessmen are more immoral than politicians." -John Maynard Keynes
If you post "leftist" one more time, I am going to scream.
Leftist this, Leftist that. Are you trying to draw a distinction between the socialists and the fascists?
Libertarians are above that (on a Nolan chart no less).
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Oh, there's a difference between the left and the right...
Ego: Oh, there's a difference between the left and the right...
Not much, and from reading many of your posts, I think you're above those differences.
Your right. One of them is more easily defeated.
What isn't different, aside from the fact that they both want a government? There are libertertarians who want a government, too! Is everyone the same aside from us anarcho-capitalists?
Ego: What isn't different, aside from the fact that they both want a government? There are libertertarians who want a government, too! Is everyone the same aside from us anarcho-capitalists?
People on this board are starting to remind me of Marxists. If they aren't Marxists they are capitalists dogs (even progressives and fascists)!
As a side note, I was planning on being the first user with an animated avatar.
Ego: As a side note, I was planning on being the first user with an animated avatar.
Epic FAIL!
I have no problem with the right/left political spectrum. As far as Im concerned the more you move towards statism the more you've moved to the left. And when I hear the word "leftist" I think of folks like Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and Castro. So I think Ego using "leftist" as a pejorative is spot on.
I have a huge problem with the left/right political spectrum, as it inherently limits the entire discussion within the bounds of Statism, reinforced by the good-cop, bad-cop game of the Reformists. Its as if the State needs to exist in *some* form, in *some* amount of power, or else we would all de-evolve to violent simians going back to murdering our birth-defected babies so the Sun god doesn't tke our women and/or men away :\. I think the indivudals who continue to hijack an apolitical movement with their own political motivations are dragging the core concepts of libertarianism to the ground in chains, and cannot be seriously called libertarians. The assumption that the left is more capable of being Statist than the right is silly & ridiculous, and the sooner this is realized, the better. Leftists for social programs? As if the Right aren't for those, just suited to their own agenda? Leftists for nationilzed healthcare? As if the Right aren't going to implement such slower, only just suited for their own agenda? They will both pursue similar agendas, albiet with different methods, and will pursue similar programs, albiet with different objectives, because they are *both* Statist parties. Neither side is worse than the other because they are both represenative evils that stand for the evil that is The State. To say say "But Leftist this!" or "Rightist that!" is the exact type of crap that should've been left at the door when anyone realized that both parties (if not the entire politcal system) were shames, and became libertarian. Past my off-topic in the above, I think a better question would be: is it coercion really coercion, or only when it's rationalized? For the topic on hand, a question concerning the legitamcy of companies also might help.
Nitroadict: I have a huge problem with the left/right political spectrum, as it inherently limits the entire discussion within the bounds of Statism, reinforced by the good-cop, bad-cop game of the Reformists. Its as if the State needs to exist in *some* form, in *some* amount of power, or else we would all de-evolve to violent simians going back to murdering our birth-defected babies so the Sun god doesn't tke our women and/or men away :\. I think the indivudals who continue to hijack an apolitical movement with their own political motivations are dragging the core concepts of libertarianism to the ground in chains, and cannot be seriously called libertarians. The assumption that the left is more capable of being Statist than the right is silly & ridiculous, and the sooner
I have a huge problem with the left/right political spectrum, as it inherently limits the entire discussion within the bounds of Statism, reinforced by the good-cop, bad-cop game of the Reformists. Its as if the State needs to exist in *some* form, in *some* amount of power, or else we would all de-evolve to violent simians going back to murdering our birth-defected babies so the Sun god doesn't tke our women and/or men away :\. I think the indivudals who continue to hijack an apolitical movement with their own political motivations are dragging the core concepts of libertarianism to the ground in chains, and cannot be seriously called libertarians. The assumption that the left is more capable of being Statist than the right is silly & ridiculous, and the sooner