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Justice in an anarchist society

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Spideynw Posted: Wed, Apr 16 2008 9:41 AM

The one reservation I have about an anarcho-capitalist society is how would person and property rights be protected?  Or how would criminals be punished for violating those rights?

At most, 5% of the population would need to stop complying to bring down the government.

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Spideynw:

The one reservation I have about an anarcho-capitalist society is how would person and property rights be protected?  Or how would criminals be punished for violating those rights?

 

 

There is a considerably large literature on this. Some underutilized sources: Check out some of the articles by Bruce Benson in the JLS. Also, check out the article on justice entrepreneurship by George Smith, reponses to it, and his reply in volume 3 of the JLS:

 

 

 

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Spideynw replied on Wed, Apr 16 2008 12:10 PM

Thank you both.  I will have to look into it more.

Btw, whoever rated this thread a one star is a jerk.  Whoever rated this thread to bring it up to a three star is very kind.  =)

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nje5019 replied on Wed, Apr 16 2008 3:15 PM

Chaos Theory: Two Essays in Market Anarchy by Robert Murphy is a good and quick introduction to the topic as well.

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Spideynw replied on Thu, Apr 17 2008 2:05 PM

kingmonkey:
 

Well, I have only read 5 pages of this article, but I am convinced, from an ethical standpoint, that the state is immoral.  I had already started down this path a few days ago, but now I am convinced.  The government is based on coercion, therefore nothing it does can be morally justified.

I still am not sure how our persons and property would be protected, but I do believe in the market, and I would much rather put my faith there than in any government.

Edit: Ok, I finished the article.  The article is simply amazing. 

At most, 5% of the population would need to stop complying to bring down the government.

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A-R replied on Thu, Apr 17 2008 7:15 PM

From Hoppe's article [p.6]:

In terms of consumer evaluations, however high its absolute level might be, the value of the public goods is relatively lower than that of the competing private goods because if one had left the choice to the consumers (and had not forced one alternative upon them), they evidently would have preferred spending their money differently (otherwise no force would have been necessary). This proves beyond any doubt that the resources used for the provision of public goods are wasted because they provide consumers with goods or services that at best are only of secondary importance.

Does this really follow?

Consumers never really had the choice of fully-enjoying the public good. The fact that they individually did not choose to purchase the public good might only be because they knew that they would not themselves fully enjoy all of it's positive effects. If consumers somehow had a guarantee that others would contribute too, maybe they would have chosen to purchase it; how could we know?

I don't think it's enough to say, either, that consumers would have made some voluntary contract amongst themselves to each contribute towards the public good. There would be ever increasing incentives to holdout and allow others to pay for the good. Perhaps a good that everyone would be perfectly willing to pay their share of would never be bought simply because individuals didn't trust others to do the same.

Isn't this basically the whole point of public-good theories?

 

 

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Hence dominant assurance contracts for those cases... forced rides are how governments handle things.

 

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Rich333 replied on Thu, Apr 17 2008 7:33 PM

gplauche:
Also, check out the article on justice entrepreneurship by George Smith, reponses to it, and his reply in volume 3 of the JLS

A good starting point, imo. That was the last thing I read as a minarchist before getting past my initial knee-jerk "but it can't work" reaction to anarchy.


To the OP: Though he doesn't go into it in great depth, L. Neil Smith provides an example of how an anarchist justice system could work in his novel The Probability Broach; for the regular novel version you'll have to order a hard copy, but there's a graphic novel version of TPB available online.

Corporations are an extension of the state.

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Spideynw replied on Thu, Apr 17 2008 8:50 PM

A-R:

Does this really follow?

Consumers never really had the choice of fully-enjoying the public good. The fact that they individually did not choose to purchase the public good might only be because they knew that they would not themselves fully enjoy all of it's positive effects. If consumers somehow had a guarantee that others would contribute too, maybe they would have chosen to purchase it; how could we know?

I don't think it's enough to say, either, that consumers would have made some voluntary contract amongst themselves to each contribute towards the public good. There would be ever increasing incentives to holdout and allow others to pay for the good. Perhaps a good that everyone would be perfectly willing to pay their share of would never be bought simply because individuals didn't trust others to do the same.

 

But it is impossible for public goods theorists to prove that this is the case (that if people know that others are guaranteed to contribute too they will buy a product) .  The only thing we know for sure is that without the public good being forced on individuals, they never would have chosen it.  The conclusion being therefore that the public good is secondary.

Of course, I do think most public goods would be purchased by the private sector, but since people are forced to pay for the lower quality government goods, the cost of purchasing it privately is so much more expensive (because one has to pay for it twice) that it makes it not worth it.  Or the government simply forbids it.

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I also recommend Roderick Long's

"Anarchism as Constitutionalism"

and

"Libertarian Anarchism: Responses to Ten Objections"

 

Yours in liberty,
Geoffrey Allan Plauché, Ph.D.
Adjunct Instructor
Buena Vista University

"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
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