There seem to be enough of us screwing around and making babies (I'm doing my part!). I don't think giving homosexuals the same tax, inheritence, and all the other 1,000 benifits will end the world, or make us extinct. It would just piss of the close minded people of the world.
It's hard enough to find someone you want to live you life with. Why can't all of us have the same legal benifits if we are lucky enough to find someone?
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Tukaram: There seem to be enough of us screwing around and making babies (I'm doing my part!). I don't think giving homosexuals the same tax, inheritence, and all the other 1,000 benifits will end the world, or make us extinct. It would just piss of the close minded people of the world.
I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I was just correcting an error.
Tukaram:It's hard enough to find someone you want to live you life with. Why can't all of us have the same legal benifits if we are lucky enough to find someone?
I should be able to "marry" myself as well then. Why should married couples get all the benefits?
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Hey if you want to leave your house and retirement to yourself when you die then go for it! (*^-^*)
Tukaram:Hey if you want to leave your house and retirement to yourself when you die then go for it! (*^-^*)
I was thinking tax credits.
Knight_of_BAAWA: Knight_of_BAAWA:It's rolling back the bureaucracy so that it no longer interferes with something that is a right--no matter how much you hate gays. Marko:In what ways does the bureaucracy interfere? Examples would be good - no matter how much you hate non-gays.Drug laws. Minimum wage laws. Antitrust laws. Insider trading laws. Tariffs. Prohibitions on who can marry whom with consent.
Knight_of_BAAWA:It's rolling back the bureaucracy so that it no longer interferes with something that is a right--no matter how much you hate gays.
Marko:In what ways does the bureaucracy interfere? Examples would be good - no matter how much you hate non-gays.
What I asked was how does the government interfere with the ability of gays to "marry"?
Knight_of_BAAWA: Just wondering something: do you believe that anyone who stands up for gay marriage must be gay? Because that's like saying someone who supports blacks not being lynched must be black.
Just wondering something: do you believe that anyone who stands up for gay marriage must be gay? Because that's like saying someone who supports blacks not being lynched must be black.
liberty student: "Granting" is still licensing. Most people don't understand what a license is. A license is permission to do something illegal. The state makes marriage illegal, without a license. The state makes opening a business illegal, without a license. You must petition for, and obtain explicit permission from the state to do these things.
"Granting" is still licensing. Most people don't understand what a license is. A license is permission to do something illegal. The state makes marriage illegal, without a license. The state makes opening a business illegal, without a license. You must petition for, and obtain explicit permission from the state to do these things.
There are plenty of people around the world in informal marriages, or who are only married in church but are not married in civil law. The state does not come in and break up those marriages like it breaks up unlicensed businesses.
Well which one is it? What would be the purpose of having state sanctioned gay marriage? Inheritance and insurance technicalities, or pissing off close minded people? We all know what is really at the heart of this issue. Talking about inheritance, tax issues or other such triffles is a cop out.
Marko:What I asked was how does the government interfere with the ability of gays to "marry"?
Knight_of_BAAWA:Just wondering something: do you believe that anyone who stands up for gay marriage must be gay? Because that's like saying someone who supports blacks not being lynched must be black.
Marko:What do you think?
Angurse:If all humans were homosexual then they wouldn't exist. The reason reproduction occurs between animals (at least mammals) is because of the fun of sex. Take that away (everyone is homosexual) and there isn't any instinctive reason to do it.
Then why do homosexuals have children? Oh, I guess instinct goes beyond sexual desires. Please join us in the 21st century and leave the dark ages behind.
At most, 5% of the population would need to stop complying to bring down the government.
Marko: Tukaram: There seem to be enough of us screwing around and making babies (I'm doing my part!). I don't think giving homosexuals the same tax, inheritence, and all the other 1,000 benifits will end the world, or make us extinct. It would just piss of the close minded people of the world. Well which one is it? What would be the purpose of having state sanctioned gay marriage? Inheritance and insurance technicalities, or pissing off close minded people? We all know what is really at the heart of this issue. Talking about inheritance, tax issues or other such triffles is a cop out.
What exactly is the heart of the issue then? Allowing all couples to have the same legal benefits? Getting the government out the marriage business and let everyone live how they want with less intrusion? Not allowing gays the same legal benefits because some people don't like them?
Inter racial marrriage was illegal until the federal government stepped in said it was a discriminatory law. Before that they could live together and call themselves married but had none of the beneifts. Now they do, and it hasn't been all that bad really.
Here is a few of the 'trifling' things 'married' people get from the government that gay couples do not. http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf
Marko:It is not the same thing. You will be fined and locked up for running an unlicensed business. You will not be fined or get locked up for being in an unlicensed marriage.
It is about the principle. Do you understand what principles are?
If you find something evil that wobbles, push it. - Gary North
Byzantine:I bet most of the people on this thread believe that human evolution has stopped.
February 17 - 1600 - Giordano Bruno is burnt alive by the catholic church. Aquinas : "much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death."
LM:I think there is a case to be made that we have stepped outside of nature and into an artificial environment in which we have constructed. This could be the end of evolution for the homo sapient.
Spideynw: Then why do homosexuals have children? Oh, I guess instinct goes beyond sexual desires. Please join us in the 21st century and leave the dark ages behind.
Are you admitting there was a time when they couldn't? Because that is all that is needed.
Angurse: Spideynw: Then why do homosexuals have children? Oh, I guess instinct goes beyond sexual desires. Please join us in the 21st century and leave the dark ages behind. Are you admitting there was a time when they couldn't? Because that is all that is needed.
No, I am suggesting that only people in the dark ages would have such ideas.
Spideynw:No, I am suggesting that only people in the dark ages would have such ideas.
Do you not realise that there was a time when such proposals ( that you are making) were simply impossible? As just saying "today they can" doesn't change the fact that there was a time when it was impossible. And doesn't remove the very obvious link between the fun of sex and reproduction. Even currently, most children aren't planned, Now go back before they knew how children were created, make them homosexuals, and you'll find humans quickly disappear.
Any basic biology course could point this relationship out. Perhaps they have use textbooks from the Dark Ages.
when in history could homosexual men not impregnate women? or lesbian women not conceive from men?
Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid
Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring
what do you make of stuff like this....
Male giraffes have been observed to engage in remarkably high frequencies of homosexual behavior. After aggressive "necking", it is common for two males giraffes to caress and court each other, leading up to mounting and climax. Such interactions between males have been found to be more frequent than heterosexual coupling.[55] In one study, up to 94% of observed mounting incidents took place between two males. The proportion of same sex activities varied between 30 and 75%, and at any given time one in twenty males were engaged in non-combative necking behavior with another male. Only 1% of same-sex mounting incidents occurred between females.[56]
nirgrahamUK:when in history could homosexual men not impregnate women? or lesbian women not conceive from men?
I never said they couldn't, they just wouldn't. As there isn't any pleasure in it.
nirgrahamUK:Male giraffes have been observed to engage in remarkably high frequencies of homosexual behavior. After aggressive "necking", it is common for two males giraffes to caress and court each other, leading up to mounting and climax. Such interactions between males have been found to be more frequent than heterosexual coupling.[55] In one study, up to 94% of observed mounting incidents took place between two males. The proportion of same sex activities varied between 30 and 75%, and at any given time one in twenty males were engaged in non-combative necking behavior with another male. Only 1% of same-sex mounting incidents occurred between females.[56]
As long as the males still find sex with females enjoyable, there isn't a problem. If you can show me how many homosexual, same-sex-only, giraffes impregnate females, then you've proved me wrong.
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