K.C. Farmer:buy some gold (or something else of intrinsict value)
There is no such thing as intrinsic value.
K.C. Farmer:The damage has already been done. It's no longer the taxpayer's money.
Nonsense.
K.C. Farmer:So in a way, you do more damage by not accepting it.
Ridiculous.
If you find something evil that wobbles, push it. - Gary North
I would much rather you have the money than the government. You are far less likely to use it to kill, rob, torture, etc. someone. Besides, how much have they taken from you over the years?
Periodically the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.
Thomas Jefferson
For those of you who don't know, this is stop loss:Stop-loss, in the United States military, is the involuntary extension of a service member's active duty service under the enlistment contract in order to retain them beyond their initial end of term of service (ETS) date.More info on wiki stop loss policy
"It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half-wit and the emperor remains an emperor." ~Dream
liberty student:I just don't like the greater good rationale. If you do it, you do it for you. Be honest with that. No one collects welfare to bankrupt the state.
That is right. The greater good rationale is complete garbage.
"...The post-totalitarian system contrives to force life into its most probable states...This system serves people only to the extent necessary to ensure that people will serve it
Vaclav Havel
Cam Nedland: I would much rather you have the money than the government. You are far less likely to use it to kill, rob, torture, etc. someone. Besides, how much have they taken from you over the years?
This rationale puts me in debt to all of you. I've still collected more money from the state, than I have paid in, dollars and lives.
liberty student: K.C. Farmer:buy some gold (or something else of intrinsict value) There is no such thing as intrinsic value.
Yep, only god can claim intrinsic value.
Marko:You are right, it is silly in the context of stop-loss. State employees don`t really pay taxes. But what if you used to have a private sector job? So the state used to steal from you and now you`re getting your money back? The only problem I see with this is that it is a strange "stealing back" that requires you not to defy the state, but to accept offered bribes.
The state always steals. If everyone always steals nothing gets produced. I see the stealing back, and I realize that the Govt. is probably going to buy a couple of overpriced hubcaps with money. Still the stealing gets me. I've compromised my character before. I almost didn't get back. There is my dillema. LS is right. If I take it, I take it for myself and no one else.
Thats a good point. The army will get the munitions regardless. Digital money the wonders.
Saan: liberty student: K.C. Farmer:buy some gold (or something else of intrinsict value) There is no such thing as intrinsic value. Yep, only god can claim intrinsic value.
Really? How is it that gold has intrinsic value?
At most, 5% of the population would need to stop complying to bring down the government.
God no
The word is god not gold. God has intrinsic value if you believe in him. that is all.
Okay, still haven't clicked submit. I'm clear on the Moral position, the logical position, et al.
The essay quoted in my signature poses many questions in this area. Anyone read it? Here, sorry IP makes it cost money.
I would like to hear what everyone thinks of that essay. It's about 50 pages.
I thank everyone for their responses so far.
Note: Havel became a hardcore statist after he was elected president of Czechoslovakia and later the Czech Republic. The "Power of the Powerless" is before then.
The argument that someone else will get it if you don't is absurd. It's newly created money.
I understand that. I'm in a personal ethical dillema seeking advice.
its ok for libertarians to take it but not ok for statists to take it. if statists don't like it they can stop having a state.
Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid
Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring
Eh? sarcasm?
if you are a net taxpayer, take all the money you can until you are even with the state.
from that point on, take all the money you can from the state and give it to net taxpayers until they are even with the state.
preferably support taxpayers that don't support the state (are libertarians)
Saan: Well guys, my old driver called me up and told me about this. I checked it out. It's true. I can't link anyone to the official site. It is secure. My information so far says this legislation was passed on Oct 21st this year. (unverified as of yet) What are everyones thoughts about this. According to the application form I can collect 3,000 dollars. I don't think I'm gonna do it. It's blood money. I've had enough of that. Anyone care to try and justify me collecting my due.
Well guys, my old driver called me up and told me about this. I checked it out. It's true. I can't link anyone to the official site. It is secure.
My information so far says this legislation was passed on Oct 21st this year. (unverified as of yet)
What are everyones thoughts about this. According to the application form I can collect 3,000 dollars. I don't think I'm gonna do it. It's blood money. I've had enough of that. Anyone care to try and justify me collecting my due.
Your blood money, that you earned with your blood, sweat, and tears. Think of it as getting a portion of your tax dollars back. Don't appear grateful for it, just growl and claw at them for not giving you more of the money they stole from you.
If you want to just give your money to charity, try one of these groups:
http://www.kiva.org/
http://www.unitedway.org/
http://www.childsplaycharity.org/
"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."
nirgrahamUK: if you are a net taxpayer, take all the money you can until you are even with the state. from that point on, take all the money you can from the state and give it to net taxpayers until they are even with the state. preferably support taxpayers that don't support the state (are libertarians)
Justin Laws:Your blood money, that you earned with your blood, sweat, and tears.
Misguided choice in my life.
Thanks for the charity list.
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