Democracy for Breakfast: Please don't judge unless you have smoked it.
Please don't judge unless you have smoked it.
And even then I'd say don't judge it if all you got was a bad headache and some paranoia. Dirt weed will do that. I don't know anyone whos gotten actually gotten high from marijuana for the first time who didn't enjoy it. More like they started to say things like "What?! This is what it does?? This is what they've been locking people up for? What else have they been lying about..."- leading them....erm....straight to the mises.org forums I tell you.
So smoke if you support free-markets
auctionguy10:So smoke if you support free-markets
Libertarianism, not libertinism.
'It is difficult to imagine any normal person wishing to meet Marx for a third time.' - Alexander Gray, The Socialist Tradition
Democracy for Breakfast:It relaxes you, makes food taste better, and makes you appreciate music more. Your thoughts become more analytical.
No, it makes you unmotivated, slothful, and causes you to exude a generally unintelligent, lazy and overall unlikeable aura. It destroys time which could have been used to do something productive.
Anyone who has been through high school can verify this.
Seph: Democracy for Breakfast:It relaxes you, makes food taste better, and makes you appreciate music more. Your thoughts become more analytical. No, it makes you unmotivated, slothful, and causes you to exude a generally unintelligent, lazy and overall unlikeable aura. It destroys time which could have been used to do something productive. Anyone who has been through high school can verify this.
That's crap, and again different strains will give you different feelings. You can get very motivated smoking, be very creative, and exude a generally friendly, intelligent, and overall likeable aura. Your high is determined alot on how you feel. A lot of people smoke to reduce stress- so yes they aren't very productive since they just use to it relax. Other times you can smoke when you want to get some new ideas, and you'll be very productive.. If you want to do some creative work, you'll do it. Highschoolers, especially in the United States who attend public school, barely do anything productive anyway. With or without marijuana those prone to being lazy are gonna be lazy anyway. I know a lot of highschool kids that spent all their time playing counterstrike or doing something else that "destroys time" but not getting involved in drugs.
And anything recreational can be called a "waste of time". That's not an argument. You're not just doing productive things 24/7 are you? You'd go crazy if you didn't treat yourself to SOMETHING. I'm sure there's some activity you engage in that others won't consider very productive.
auctionguy10: Seph: Democracy for Breakfast:It relaxes you, makes food taste better, and makes you appreciate music more. Your thoughts become more analytical. No, it makes you unmotivated, slothful, and causes you to exude a generally unintelligent, lazy and overall unlikeable aura. It destroys time which could have been used to do something productive. Anyone who has been through high school can verify this. That's crap, and again different strains will give you different feelings. You can get very motivated smoking, be very creative, and exude a generally friendly, intelligent, and overall likeable aura. Your high is determined alot on how you feel. A lot of people smoke to reduce stress- so yes they aren't very productive since they just use to it relax. Other times you can smoke when you want to get some new ideas, and you'll be very productive.. If you want to do some creative work, you'll do it. Highschoolers, especially in the United States who attend public school, barely do anything productive anyway. With or without marijuana those prone to being lazy are gonna be lazy anyway. I know a lot of highschool kids that spent all their time playing counterstrike or doing something else that "destroys time" but not getting involved in drugs. And anything recreational can be called a "waste of time". That's not an argument. You're not just doing productive things 24/7 are you? You'd go crazy if you didn't treat yourself to SOMETHING. I'm sure there's some activity you engage in that others won't consider very productive.
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Youre seriously comparing reading a book/listening to music/going for a walk.......to smoking pot?
Seriously? Even watching mindless TV for an hour or two is nothing close.
Look, theres a reason why all Austrian speakers I have ever heard, have advocated the legalization of drugs with one caveat; that this was not the same as advocating their use.
You're seriously going to challenge him? I've yet to try the stuff, but he's described his experience with marijuana as both relaxing and creatively stimulating. How is that any different from reading a book, listening to music or going for a walk to relax or think about life? His ends are the same, and he prefers to employ the smoking of marijuana to achieve those ends. Is there something objectively wrong with that?
That's not a caveat, just a clarification. Really now, Austrian economics is largely defined by subjective theory of value. I'd think you would be more tolerant of the utility some derive from drug use.
With that said, I don't agree with Democracy for Breakfast's rant. Don't try to convince people of the benefits of drug use; convince them of the NAP and that, as owners of our bodies, we have a right to decide what goes in it. Even if you think marijuana (or tobacco, or meth) is harmful, the most effective way to reduce its use is through voluntary and peaceful means, not coercive means.
"I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness - but I am not a government official." - Francis Wolcott, Deadwood
Seph: Youre seriously comparing reading a book/listening to music/going for a walk.......to smoking pot? Seriously? Even watching mindless TV for an hour or two is nothing close.
What do you think people who smoke marijuana do while they're high..? They...read a book, listen to music, go for a walk, they can even watch mindless TV for the hour or 2 that the effects take place. You don't just sit there in a daze. You're thinking of heroin or something like that if you're talking about a drug where you're just completely in your own world and mentally disabled. Marijuana doesn't come close to anything crazy like that.
auctionguy10: Seph: Youre seriously comparing reading a book/listening to music/going for a walk.......to smoking pot? Seriously? Even watching mindless TV for an hour or two is nothing close. What do you think people who smoke marijuana do while they're high..? They...read a book, listen to music, go for a walk, they can even watch mindless TV for the hour or 2 that the effects take place. You don't just sit there in a daze. You're thinking of heroin or something like that if you're talking about a drug where you're just completely in your own world and mentally disabled. Marijuana doesn't come close to anything crazy like that.
So why not do those things without the mind altering substance?
Look, this has clearly gotten a little far afield. My original point was that almost every single marijuana user I have encountered has been, to put it bluntly, unaccomplished, living in some form of squalor and intellectually and physically lazy. One might even say they all tend to have high time preferences;) And above all, they are generally unaware of these things.
Whether or not that hits a little too close to home or not, I dont really care. That has been my personal experience and I have found that most people who are capable of taking an objective look at high school/college agree with me. If you don't, fine.
My experiences with marijuana have been pretty good, though I don't use it very often. Maybe once a week?
What do I do when I smoke? Speak to my friends about anarchism, libertarianism, and Austrian economics. Sometimes there is video game playing, but not much, mostly just talking, trying to lure them over to the Light side of the Force.
As for saying it's slothful, well, that's entirely subjective to one's own experience. Not everyone is getting the same thing out of drug use. Certainly some folks who use drugs are being lazy, unproductive, slothful, etc. But you can't really say how many are being "wasteful" compared to those who are doing productive things. Is it good or bad? Entirely subjective, as I said.
For me, when I smoke, my food taste better, sex is better, and my conversations are calmer and more rational. Much quieter, too. :)
Someone mentioned talking about the NAP rather than ranting on the subject, and I whole heartedly agree with this.
"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."
Democracy for Breakfast: Really, I hate how the U.S' society is the only one so stuck up on how Marijuana is "harmful" "addictive" and a "gateway drug". Seriously, why do people overreact so much over it? Its not even as bad a "drug" as Nicotine, Fast Food, Narcotics, Cocaine, Crack, Heroine, and Tobacco. Its great stuff, its relaxing and it has many medical benefits. Legalize it. What really gets me is how, if I went to Germany and smoked people would be like "Ah, ok, cool" where in the U.S people are like "ZOMG!!! YOUR GONNA GO DOWN THE WRONG PATH IN LIFE NOW!111!".
Really, I hate how the U.S' society is the only one so stuck up on how Marijuana is "harmful" "addictive" and a "gateway drug".
Seriously, why do people overreact so much over it? Its not even as bad a "drug" as Nicotine, Fast Food, Narcotics, Cocaine, Crack, Heroine, and Tobacco.
Its great stuff, its relaxing and it has many medical benefits. Legalize it.
What really gets me is how, if I went to Germany and smoked people would be like "Ah, ok, cool" where in the U.S people are like "ZOMG!!! YOUR GONNA GO DOWN THE WRONG PATH IN LIFE NOW!111!".
I don't know; my brother and all my high school friends are giant bums who play xbox all day. But I support its legalization.
Some people, myself included, just like to be mentally themselves. It doesn't matter how minor the effects of marijuana are... it's still a drug used with the intention of altering your mental state, however slightly. That said, I don't think anyone here is advocating or would ever advocate using coercion to prevent people from doing it. I also have no vested interest in preaching to people who smoke marijuana as long as they don't try to force it on me.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
Esuric: Democracy for Breakfast: Really, I hate how the U.S' society is the only one so stuck up on how Marijuana is "harmful" "addictive" and a "gateway drug". Seriously, why do people overreact so much over it? Its not even as bad a "drug" as Nicotine, Fast Food, Narcotics, Cocaine, Crack, Heroine, and Tobacco. Its great stuff, its relaxing and it has many medical benefits. Legalize it. What really gets me is how, if I went to Germany and smoked people would be like "Ah, ok, cool" where in the U.S people are like "ZOMG!!! YOUR GONNA GO DOWN THE WRONG PATH IN LIFE NOW!111!". I don't know; my brother and all my high school friends are giant bums who play xbox all day. But I support its legalization.
Sucks to be them. That is the people, not Marijuana making them lazy. He rather just party and have fun, the easy way through life. I know plenty of pot smokers who are in my honors college.
Democracy for Breakfast: The Late Andrew Ryan: Democracy for Breakfast: Really, I hate how the U.S' society is the only one so stuck up on how Marijuana is "harmful" "addictive" and a "gateway drug". Seriously, why do people overreact so much over it? Its not even as bad a "drug" as Nicotine, Fast Food, Narcotics, Cocaine, Crack, Heroine, and Tobacco. Its great stuff, its relaxing and it has many medical benefits. Legalize it. What really gets me is how, if I went to Germany and smoked people would be like "Ah, ok, cool" where in the U.S people are like "ZOMG!!! YOUR GONNA GO DOWN THE WRONG PATH IN LIFE NOW!111!". Well I tend to be one of those "stuck up bastards" because I like being in my own mind (this applies to ALL mind altering drugs) I would find it personally shameful. However 1. I don't support kidnapping an murdering over it 2. I don't particularly mind it in others I just consider it a bad habit if they use it mildly. It really does depend who you talk to I have plenty of buddies who would love to smoke with you. There is no medical reason to outlaw marijuana, NONE I hope you mean, that there is no "harmful" medical reasons. It all depends on control. Smoking Marijuana under control can be good. I just think its really shallow to judge it like this girl did unless you have actually smoked it. Its statist propaganda like DARE in action or Above The Influence that annoy the hell out of me.
The Late Andrew Ryan: Democracy for Breakfast: Really, I hate how the U.S' society is the only one so stuck up on how Marijuana is "harmful" "addictive" and a "gateway drug". Seriously, why do people overreact so much over it? Its not even as bad a "drug" as Nicotine, Fast Food, Narcotics, Cocaine, Crack, Heroine, and Tobacco. Its great stuff, its relaxing and it has many medical benefits. Legalize it. What really gets me is how, if I went to Germany and smoked people would be like "Ah, ok, cool" where in the U.S people are like "ZOMG!!! YOUR GONNA GO DOWN THE WRONG PATH IN LIFE NOW!111!". Well I tend to be one of those "stuck up bastards" because I like being in my own mind (this applies to ALL mind altering drugs) I would find it personally shameful. However 1. I don't support kidnapping an murdering over it 2. I don't particularly mind it in others I just consider it a bad habit if they use it mildly. It really does depend who you talk to I have plenty of buddies who would love to smoke with you. There is no medical reason to outlaw marijuana, NONE
I hope you mean, that there is no "harmful" medical reasons. It all depends on control. Smoking Marijuana under control can be good. I just think its really shallow to judge it like this girl did unless you have actually smoked it. Its statist propaganda like DARE in action or Above The Influence that annoy the hell out of me.
All the statists and Keynesians will look up and shout "Save Us!" and I'll wisper "No."
The Late Andrew Ryan:For marijuana to become more than minorly detrimental to your health you have to do nothing but smoke it constantly for hours at a time which is pointless, stupid, an very improbable
"It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half-wit and the emperor remains an emperor." ~Dream
Snowflake: The Late Andrew Ryan:For marijuana to become more than minorly detrimental to your health you have to do nothing but smoke it constantly for hours at a time which is pointless, stupid, an very improbable Also if you stick a bunch of knives in your face you die too. I move that all pointy objects be banned for our own good. Cus what if someone used the knife to kill their children cus they're crazy and stupid?
I have smoked it, but I have to say "don't knock it till you've tried it" is a weak argument. Why does it hold true for some things, but it doesn't hold true for suicide or incest? Can I not judge those acts because I haven't done those yet, either?
The appeal to "charity" is a truly ironic one. First, it is hardly "charity" to take wealth by force and hand it over to someone else. -Rothbard
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