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fakename replied on Mon, Oct 26 2009 11:27 PM

libertarianism existed in revolutionary france

The great leap forward was a success

the soviet union was state capitalism

living conditions declined in the gilded age

taxes are fees for civilization

without the FDA people would die from adulterated drugs

Gov. is not self-interested

state gov. are more trustworthy than national ones. 

lack of spending causes depressions.

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fakename replied on Mon, Oct 26 2009 11:31 PM

Esuric:
The free market is a theoretical construct.

and the related claim: the austrian school uses unrealistic math or assumptions (just proving how little they know about austrianism)

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Esuric replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 12:27 AM

fakename:
and the related claim: the austrian school uses unrealistic math or assumptions (just proving how little they know about austrianism)

Haha, yeah. They confuse Austrians with General Equilibrium theorists.

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Chris replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 12:47 AM

I believe in the rule of law; but the State is above the law.

I hate monopoly, but love the government.

Taxation is not extortion.

Austrian Economists don't believe in math.

Economics is a science with no constant relationships but should be treated like it is full of them.

We can solve the problems created by too much inflation, too much consumption, and too much borrowing by inflating more, consuming more, and borrowing more.

Price controls don't work - unless we are talking about labor and capital.

 

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Socialism/Communism is great in theory [ or on paper ]

'It is difficult to imagine any normal person wishing to meet Marx for a third time.' - Alexander Gray, The Socialist Tradition

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ama gi replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 1:22 AM

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At most, 5% of the population would need to stop complying to bring down the government.

That is a fascinating statement. How did you come to that conclusion?  Are there any historical instances of the non-compliant 5% bringing down the government, or are you just daydreaming?

 

And what does non-compliance mean to you anyway?  Does it mean resisting as much as one reasonably can, or resisting completely, until you get shot?

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Daniel replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 1:27 AM

Any collectivist claim.

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Socialism can calculate.

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Socialism can have a decentralized market which isn't based on trade or prices.

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  • We need to invest more (tax people into oblivion) in our infrastructure (political cronies, pet projects and vote-buying schemes) so that we can fix the problems of the previous administration (by being even more irresponsible with spending and government interventionalism).
  • Democracy is the single, best way to spread freedom in the world (even though the U.S. is not a democracy, but it's not free either).
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Le Master replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 3:00 PM

Timothy Geithner, during his CNBC town hall last month, claimed that the reason the US was so "ahead of the game" and became so productive in the 19th century was because it adopted public education.

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Daniel replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 3:56 PM

That Greenspan was an Ayn Rand libertarian.

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I found this post to be full of some good ones: http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=6693

 

" The Austrian Catholic right boasts names like Michael Novak, George Weigel, Thomas Woods, Murry Rothbard, to name but a few. Further, these scholars are supported by well-funded institutes such as the Acton Institute, the American Enterprise Institute, and a host of others. Money flows like water for these people, usually corporate money, water largely used in an attempt to baptize Mises."

 

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That health insurance is the most lasse-faire market, and virtually unregulated.

Profit margins on insurance companies are gigantic.
In Anarchy i can do whatever I want without consequences.

In Anarchy some people will form governments, and be able to expand and become a totalitarian dictator, even though nobody thinks he is legitimate.

War is profitable for the country in war.

 

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Until Anti-Trust laws, we had an unrestrained, unregulated market.

Until child labor laws, we had an unrestrained, unregulated market.

Until the New Deal, we had an unrestrained, unregulated market.

After unspecified 'deregulation',  we have an unrestrained, unregulated market.

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Daniel:

That Greenspan was an Ayn Rand libertarian.

That Ayn Rand was a libertarian.

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Free Markets aren't free or fair. I hear this one a lot. I always like to respond that we don't HAVE a free market.

Anarchy is chaos.

"Anxiety is the dizziness of freedom." Soren Kierkegaard 

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