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Who was the worst president?

Latest post Sun, Feb 10 2008 9:48 PM by ChaseCola. 100 replies.
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    Re: Who was the worst president?

    csullivan:

    Certainly is. Compare Lincoln to Van Buren and it becomes apparent.  


     

    One robs an Irish Catholic to kill an American southerner.

    Another robs most Americans to exterminate and expel Cherokee.


    The only difference I can see is the colour of the skin that the one man kills in comparison to the other.

    Is that what I'm to take away from your comparisons?

     

     

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  • Tue, Oct 2 2007 12:27 PM In reply to

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    Niccolò:

    csullivan:

    Certainly is. Compare Lincoln to Van Buren and it becomes apparent.  

    One robs an Irish Catholic to kill an American southerner.

    Another robs most Americans to exterminate and expel Cherokee.


    The only difference I can see is the colour of the skin that the one man kills in comparison to the other.

    Is that what I'm to take away from your comparisons?

     Perhaps you're not able to comprehend the difference between murdering people that you took an oath to defend and killing people who are murdering the people you took an oath to defend.

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    Re: Who was the worst president?

    Lincoln, FDR, Wilson — all excellent choices. But I think Lincoln would have to take the prize as the original American emperor who paved the way for all the emperors who followed.
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    Re: Who was the worst president?

    I like the idea of Lincoln, especially since he is responsible for so many deaths. If you consider that his actions in precipitating a conflict with the CSA caused 600,000 deaths, he may well be the bloodiest president in US history, and oh what a history that is.  I wonder if any single president can be linked to so many deaths? Truman ordered the nuclear attack of Japan, but even the destruction of two cities doesn't add up to 600,000.

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    Re: Who was the worst president?

    Yes it's an intersting question and as one respondent mentioned a "Target Rich enviornmet". For what its worth my answer is lincoln. He is the one to whom all suceeding presidents cite as the source of their right to power over the Constitution and to steal our wealth and our rights. He set into motion: 1) the blatant destuction of the constitution, 2)depriving the people of their right to with draw their consent by withdrawing from an abusive union, 3) welfare corporatism, 4) Preidential war making with out the consent of congress, 5) visiting a war of aggression upon his own countrymen, 6) arresting, jailing, and exiling any citizen who dared take execption to the presidental policies, this includes the supression of the press, rigging elections, the use of troops to intimidate elected officials(as in Maryland) and judges. I could go on but I think you can get the picture. The presidents from Grant, Mckinley, Wilson,Roosevelt,Hoover,Roosevelt, etc., all take/took their cue and inspiration from lincoln. There were others who are guilty of abusing the office... Adams, Polk come to mind quickly, but none have had nearly the desructive impact as has lincoln. This country was not established to bring about "Great Leaders". It was established to be an anti-state country where the rule of the law of liberty held supreme.

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    Re: Who was the worst president?

    I think LBJ deserves some credit for the massive number of people he killed in Vietnam, although there is certainly some tough competition here.

    I do not know what weapons will be used to fight World War III, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
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    Re: Who was the worst president?

    Niccolò:

     

    JonBostwick:

    Yes. And to claim otherwise is a revolt against morality. 

     

    Questioning the capacity of parasites is revolting against morality now?

    Strange. Hmm

     

     

    No. Saying that all criminals have equal guilt is.

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    Re: Who was the worst president?

    Without a doubt 1. W. Wilson (gave us the federal reserve ) 2. FDR (gave us socialism w/ the "New Deal") Honorable Mention goes to all others elected after Wilson (except FDR he's #2) because they have done nothing to correct the tryanny that number 1&2 started.

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  • Thu, Oct 11 2007 12:02 AM In reply to

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    No one is going to mention Eisenhower to the lists? Iran, Guatemala, .… Which brought the US (and the rest of the world) the Iranian theocracy, war with Saddam, war with Al Qaeda, the hatred of Muslims the world over, and untold death and destruction in latin America.
    "Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces."—Étienne de la Boétie, Discourse of Voluntary Servitude
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    Re: Who was the worst president?

    ContumacySince87:

     Perhaps you're not able to comprehend the difference between murdering people that you took an oath to defend and killing people who are murdering the people you took an oath to defend.

     

     

    Yes. I'm very thankful that the man exists to kill these murderous, little, brown heathens,

     


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    Re: Who was the worst president?

    JonBostwick:

    No. Saying that all criminals have equal guilt is.

     

     

    So the hitman is better than the mob boss... Alright. I think I understand now!  

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     The most current target of my venom is FDR, for building on the work of his predecessors to an unmatched degree of socialism.  The fact that he is revered makes me ill.

    He and Lincoln are touted as two of our greatest presidents, which makes them all the more vile and despicable.   

    People unfit for freedom - who cannot do much with it - are hungry for power. The desire for freedom is an attribute of a "have" type of self. It says: leave me alone and I shall grow, learn, and realize my capacities. The desire for power is basically an attribute of a "have not" type of self. - Eric Hoffer
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    Re: Who was the worst president?

    How about the short list of good presidents?

    Of the post-Founder age, I think only three stand out as being anything other than awful:

    • Grover Cleveland (#1 by far)
    • Calvin Coolidge
    • Ronald Reagan -- he wasn't perfect by any means, but he did do "something" to turn back the New Deal, even if it was mostly with rhetoric (i.e. inspiring others to take it beyond rhetoric). 
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    Re: Who was the worst president?

    talk about a target rich environment. I suppose I'm just piling on, but. 3. FDR -- flagrant mass murderer, put together the framework of the massive federal plunder machine, 2. Lincoln -- original mass murderer, godfather of the omnipotent central state, 1. Wilson -- made the world safe for imperialism, and made America safe for fascism. Signing the Federal Reserve Act and allowing the 16th Amendment fraud to go through puts him at the top of my list. Reagan gets honorable mention just for being such a phony, and making the eternal-warfare-state a staple of what might otherwise be an at least partly-useful "conservatve movement."
    "The only idea they have ever manifested as to what is a government of consent, is this–that it is one to which everybody must consent, or be shot."
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  • Thu, Oct 18 2007 6:00 AM In reply to

    Re: Who was the worst president?

    Not to disagree with the other selections, but how about an honorable mention for Lyndon Johnson?  He gave us Medicare, Medicaid, the Great Society, the War on Poverty and Vietnam.

    You know, it's funny.  I remember that in 1963 a fellow warned me, "If you vote for Goldwater for President, within a few years we'll have half a million soldiers in Vietnam and riots in the streets."  Well, he was right.  I voted for Goldwater and darned if we didn't wind up with half a million men in Vietnam and riots in the streets.

    Of course, we must remember that politicians, including Presidents, are as much an effect as they are a cause.  Most simply ride the underlying cultural currents like opportunistic surfers. They tend to reflect the basic philosophy that dominates the electorate at any particular point in time.

     

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  • Thu, Oct 18 2007 12:43 PM In reply to

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    Wilson was the worst, though Lincoln, FDR and Truman are all in the same league. They were all horrible. I actually think Carter might have been a little better than Reagan, at least in economics. Ironically, if he was worse, it was because he was in some ways more aggressive in foreign policy.  

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  • Sun, Oct 21 2007 1:11 PM In reply to

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    All of you suffer most from Wilson and the progressive movement, namely public education. I have read your thoughts and it seems most of you lack a good history education, as well as the ability to discern and explain cause and effect because A happened before B does not mean A cused B. Public education purposfully destroys critical thinking, think about it when was the last time the students were required to learn about Thomas Jefferson from Thomas Jefferson, and explain what you learned and why you draw those conclusions, trying to instill such rigor only in later years is a pointless endeavor.

    As for the Presidents, Lincoln and the North did not start the civil war or cause it the south did. The key period you need to look up is 1833 - 1855. Key topics are the Compromise of 1833 in which congress declared that all new states coming into the union would be 'free'. And the lincoln-douglass debates of late 1850's, as well as the war hawks such as John C. Calhoun. Essentially the south decided to go to war because they realized that as free states grew in number the slave holding regions would be far out numbered by the free. They were corect. On the intelectual front the country was beginning to quesion openly that which the founders questioned privately, "how can a nation founded on the high ideals of liberty co-exist with the institutions of slavery" it cannot unfortunately the founders knew if they would not have opportunity to deal with this in thier lifetimes so almost everyone of them on thier death beds freed thier slaves and even left provision for them to start a new life. This act was a death bed declaration they hoped thier more enlighted sons catch on to. They did not, and a civil war was used to answer this question as well as defining the balance of Federal versus state power,  unfortunatley it was Federalist senators and congressman who wanted to Punish the south, which they did againsts the Lincoln administration, and after Lincoln assassination they did just that resulting in the period known as 'Reconstruction' this  caused a knee jerk reaction against the negro population because they were seen as tools used by the north to control and take advantage of the south and thus on and on until the Civil Rights movement. Even to this day southerners despise "Yankees" for thier belief in big centralized and controling governmen. As for civil war and ww1 deaths, this is due to mainly advances in warfare tecnology ahead of battlefield tacticts, men were using revolution era tacticts in an age of rifles, machine guns and first uses of chemical and biological warfare.

    As the next few decades rolled by, the those at the helm of the Abolitionist movement, went on to use government coercion to push 'social reform. Evangelicals such as D.L. Moody, Charles Spurgeon, in conjuction with remnants of the Quaker and Shaker  movements made popular the "Social Gospel" of the 1880's through early 1900's. President McKinley in the late 1890s was the first to depart from the monroe doctrine, in issues with spain over cuba, thus resulting the Spanish American War. This set the tone for Woodrow Wilson and 'The War to End All Wars' better known as world war 1. After this bloody encounter the nation knee jerked back to Isolationism and the Do-gooders turned thier attention to domestic intervention, with such ideas as prohibition, income tax ect. leading to the the Great Depression (Mises et al) culminating in the new deal. Every President up until Reagan has furthered interventionism in some way or another. Now in the spirit Mr. Mises I think it to soon to start determining whether his policies were good or bad longterm, and while he was a foriegn interventionist, his ideals of people needing to be free of intervention from government and the encouragment of individual enterprise that are already proving prosperous. Example, Bill Gate, Steve Jobs, Micheal Dell three college  drop outs who started finacial empires and business revolution FROM A GARAGE, early in the eighties a company called Comp USA obtained grants from the Reagan administration to take ARPA NET and develpe it the result was the internet, the rest is history.

    In conclusion it is aggresive movements and arrogance that propels interventions at home and abroad, presidents are the culmination of this. Moving forward we need to reject the idea government is responsible for the people, but people for the government. We must in order to enjoy liberty and the persuit of happiness accecpt its noble responsibilities. Society today does not have the moxie to govern itself, for Life Liberty and self governance require responsibility and self restraint, young men and women today do not understand this, to create anew the lofty ideals of our founding fathers we must accept that action without consequences cannot exist or be promoted, we must restrain our lower angels and raise our sons and daughters to do the same. Perhaps then when we are old we will see great men and women leading this country that we can be proud of for centuries to come. 

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