Rothbard vs Ayn Randhttp://cordeliaforlear.blogspot.com/2009/05/murray-rothbard-traditionalist-vs-ayn.html
The Rockwell-Rothbard Race Warhttp://fusionistlibertarian.blogspot.com/2008/01/rockwell-rothbard-race-war.html
Who Wrote Ron Paul's Newsletters?http://reason.com/archives/2008/01/16/who-wrote-ron-pauls-newsletter
Southern Poverty and Law Center http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=106#11
This is pretty disappointing, from such an intellectual who I was coming to admire.
During the period when the most incendiary items appeared—roughly 1989 to 1994—Rockwell and the prominent libertarian theorist Murray Rothbard championed an open strategy of exploiting racial and class resentment to build a coalition with populist "paleoconservatives," producing a flurry of articles and manifestos whose racially charged talking points and vocabulary mirrored the controversial Paul newsletters recently unearthed by The New Republic
The Ludwig von Mises Institute, founded in 1982 by Llewellyn Rockwell Jr. and still headed by him, is a major center promoting libertarian political theory and the Austrian School of free market economics, pioneered by the late economist Ludwig von Mises. It publishes seven journals, has printed more than 100 books, and offers scholarships, prizes, conferences and a major library at its Auburn, Ala., offices. It also promotes a type of Darwinian view of society in which elites are seen as natural and any intervention by the government on behalf of social justice is destructive. The institute seems nostalgic for the days when, "because of selective mating, marriage, and the laws of civil and genetic inheritance, positions of natural authority [were] likely to be passed on within a few noble families." But the rule of these natural elites and intellectuals, writes institute scholar Hans-Hermann Hoppe, is being ruined by statist meddling such as "affirmative action and forced integration," which he said is "responsible for the almost complete destruction of private property rights, and the erosion of freedom of contract, association, and disassociation." A key player in the institute for years was the late Murray Rothbard, who worked with Rockwell closely and co-edited a journal with him. The institute's Web site includes a cybershrine to Rothbard, a man who complained that the "Officially Oppressed" of American society (read, blacks, women and so on) were a "parasitic burden," forcing their "hapless Oppressors" to provide "an endless flow of benefits." "The call of 'equality,'" he wrote, "is a siren song that can only mean the destruction of all that we cherish as being human." Rothbard blamed much of what he disliked on meddling women. In the mid-1800s, a "legion of Yankee women" who were "not fettered by the responsibilities" of household work "imposed" voting rights for women on the nation. Later, Jewish women, after raising funds from "top Jewish financiers," agitated for child labor laws, Rothbard adds with evident disgust. The "dominant tradition" of all these activist women, he suggests, is lesbianism.
Looks like Rothbard nailed it.
And that text is from an unbalanced hit piece - just cause statist TNR says something is true, doesn't mean it is.
"Later, Jewish women, after raising funds from "top Jewish financiers," agitated for child labor laws, Rothbard adds with evident disgust."
...and so TNR tries to paint Rothbard, himself a Jew, as an anti-semite.
Shows you how trustworthy as interpreters of meaning they are, DFB.
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It doesn't just come from that, I quoted the second part from the "About" section on Mises.
Add source links or don't quote.
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liberty student: Add source links or don't quote.
I second that.
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Democracy for Breakfast: It doesn't just come from that, I quoted the second part from the "About" section on Mises.
Provide quotation and sources for every claim.
That is what, someone who is intellectually honest, would do. Are you?
I would love to see the articles that are apparently 'racist'.
Conza88: Democracy for Breakfast: It doesn't just come from that, I quoted the second part from the "About" section on Mises. Provide quotation and sources for every claim. That is what, someone who is intellectually honest, would do. Are you? I would love to see the articles that are apparently 'racist'.
Southern Poverty and Law Centerhttp://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=106#11
The SPLC is a far left smear organisation with an axe to grind against Christians, conservatives and anyone who doesn't toe the PC party line on racial matters, all of which describe Rothbard and Rockwell. And you might want to look into Reason's little feud with LRC over their differing positions on cultural conservatism, and the smear campaign run against Ron Paul and Rockwell for those newsletters in the 80's.
Praetyre: The SPLC is a far left smear organisation with an axe to grind against Christians, conservatives and anyone who doesn't toe the PC party line on racial matters, all of which describe Rothbard and Rockwell.
The SPLC is a far left smear organisation with an axe to grind against Christians, conservatives and anyone who doesn't toe the PC party line on racial matters, all of which describe Rothbard and Rockwell.
To be fair, an organization like this is an example of a "free society" an organization that stands against Racists. This is what you would see in a free society if you didn't want the state to be pursuing the Klu Klux Klan.
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with Rockwell or Rothbard on race, and I don't long for the days of the 50's. But the SPLC is well known for being an organisation which unfairly attacks many people who make politically incorrect remarks and paints them in the same light as Klansmen and Neo Nazi groups.
They also dislike anybody questioning the "Lincoln went to war to end the evil South's illegal slave motivated secession" view of the US Civil War.
Democracy for Breakfast:Rothbard vs Ayn Rand
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Democracy for Breakfast:The Rockwell-Rothbard Race War Who Wrote Ron Paul's Newsletters?
Who Wrote Ron Paul's Newsletters?
Democracy for Breakfast:Southern Poverty and Law Center
I am yet to see any primary sources. Point me to the articles where Rothbard or Rockwell said something racist.
Old news. Why bother bringing this up?
The institute's Web site includes a cybershrine to Rothbard, a man who complained that the "Officially Oppressed" of American society (read, blacks, women and so on) were a "parasitic burden," forcing their "hapless Oppressors" to provide "an endless flow of benefits."
Hahaha so true.
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As far as I understand, this was an attempt to create a new libertarian populism which aggressively challenged sacred cows of the PC crowd and which was supposed to create a class consciousness based on one's net productivity, i.e., whether one chooses to employ the economic or the political means in pursuing one's goals.It didn't turn out that well, and so today the gatekeepers of the nomenclature can still point their fingers at Rothbard for his allegedly "racist" remarks, even though his primary goal was, as far as I understand, to show how absurd the inherently racist and sexist culture of "victim classes" really is.This, refined with some classic out-of-context Hoppe quotes, will make excellent material for many smear campaigns to come I'm afraid.
There's obviously a lot of creative editing in there, so if it bothers you then go find the primary sources and see what was actually written.
Moreover, and I know most here will disagree, but I find the obsession with iconic figures downright disturbing. I know everyone does it, but I'd like to move past caring about who said what, whether good or bad.
I don't care if a great libertarian idea came from Hitler himself. If it's good, use it. By the same token, I don't care if X libertarian thinker was a racist or the devil himself. I advocate a free market of ideas, where the best ideas win out regardless of origin. I personally think even quote attribution should be an optional - but gentlemanly - gesture, but that's another matter.
The source of an idea does not determine its validity. If we understand and live according to this fact, we needn't fear of smear campaigns against individual "opinion leaders" (see how clearly this whole way of thinking is stuck in the old archist paradigm?).
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AJ:I find the obsession with iconic figures downright disturbing.
Agreed.
I think the quotes are old news to most of us, and nothing paticularly shocking.
I cleaned up and added links to the first post and unhyperlinked many of the sources, since they are just further smear garbage. Folks are entitled to their opinion of LvMI folks, but they aren't necessarily welcome to get their stuff promoted at LvMI.
I did unlink the content because much of it is poor. One is a blog post commenting on another link. The Reason piece iirc is based on the TNR piece. This is viral linking, but doesn't actually present a consensus of source material. The original newsletters may be offensive to some. They aren't to me. That said, the strategy being pursued was not a very good one. The entire paleo thing backfired in the end. Instead of the thoughtful appeal to ideas and morality, trying to engage radical elements and make radical statements isn't in the vein of what has worked so far.
That's something self-styled "movement" libertarians would be wise to pay attention to. If you have to force it or act out of character, it is probably wrong.
If anyone has a problem with my link edits, first check the forum rules (specifically prohibited #1 and #4), then PM me.
"It also promotes a type of Darwinian view of society in which elites are seen as natural and any intervention by the government on behalf of social justice is destructive. The institute seems nostalgic for the days when, "because of selective mating, marriage, and the laws of civil and genetic inheritance, positions of natural authority [were] likely to be passed on within a few noble families."
They make it sound as if believing in traditional structures is necessarily a bad thing. Hoppe has made a pretty decent case that traditional structures, such as monarchy, are preferrable to populist demagogues.
Let's assume that Rothbard was indeed a racist, and that Rockwell is indeed a racist. So what? I mean so long as they're not using the state to enforce their beliefs I don't see the problem. To be honest racism ought to viewed as a venal sin as opposed to a mortal one. Jefferson might have been a slave holder and most likely a racist, but that doesn't discount the validity of his other beliefs. The Fugees might supposedly hate white people, but that doesn't mean they don't make decent music.
AJ: There's obviously a lot of creative editing in there, so if it bothers you then go find the primary sources and see what was actually written. Moreover, and I know most here will disagree, but I find the obsession with iconic figures downright disturbing. I know everyone does it, but I'd like to move past caring about who said what, whether good or bad. I don't care if a great libertarian idea came from Hitler himself. If it's good, use it. By the same token, I don't care if X libertarian thinker was a racist or the devil himself. I advocate a free market of ideas, where the best ideas win out regardless of origin. I personally think even quote attribution should be an optional - but gentlemanly - gesture, but that's another matter. The source of an idea does not determine its validity. If we understand and live according to this fact, we needn't fear of smear campaigns against individual "opinion leaders" (see how clearly this whole way of thinking is stuck in the old archist paradigm?).
A Libertarian idea came from Hitler?
Also, I thought Libertarians were actually opposed to Social Darwinism. But Rothbard believed in Natural Elites?
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