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AIDS fear is not limited to gays and religious phobia is not limited to gays either.  The church hates sex in general.

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Byzantine replied on Fri, Oct 2 2009 10:38 PM

Caley McKibbin:

AIDS fear is not limited to gays and religious phobia is not limited to gays either.  The church hates sex in general.

The Church hates sex?  Who has higher rates of reproduction:  atheists or Christians?

I don't know, but I'm guessing the latter.  I'd venture to say while all the atheist 'gamers' are sizing each other up, tripping over minutiae, and heading home disappointed, lots of married Christian couples are going at it.

Also, AIDS has yet to break out of those population groups with at-risk lifestyles, despite two decades of the CDC assuring us that would be the case.

 

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Juan replied on Fri, Oct 2 2009 11:05 PM
The Church hates sex? Who has higher rates of reproduction: atheists or Christians?
lol. Talk about a meaningless retort. What the church hates is people doing what they please instead of following the dictates of god's self-appointed theocrats.

February 17 - 1600 - Giordano Bruno is burnt alive by the catholic church.
Aquinas : "much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death."

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Natalie replied on Fri, Oct 2 2009 11:17 PM

Also, the highest rates of HIV are in Africa, so it could be one of the plots to get control over the former colonies. It does have a made up feel about it. Just like ADHD (who has heard about it before 1980s?) is a ploy to give mind altering drugs to kids (sometimes even against their parents wishes). Now there's this Swine Flu scare and there's already talk about quarantine. It's hard to tell what's really going on.

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Byzantine:

The Church hates sex?  Who has higher rates of reproduction:  atheists or Christians?

Do as I say, not as I do.

 

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Byzantine:

The Church hates sex?  Who has higher rates of reproduction:  atheists or Christians?

I don't know, but I'm guessing the latter.  I'd venture to say while all the atheist 'gamers' are sizing each other up, tripping over minutiae, and heading home disappointed, lots of married Christian couples are going at it.

It is partly because Christians are anti-contraception and other partly because intellectuals tend to dislike kids.  What an awful guess at the reason on your part.  Anecdotally, I had a case of two women who villified me and refused to ever speak to me again because I was studying contraception methods.  If not for the convenient excuse of STD's to use contraception, the bible thumper birth rate would be even higher.

It's crystal clear to anyone with at least one working eyeball that organized religion suppresses sexual behaviour outside of wedlock with the lights out and the curtains drawn and this manifests daily in efforts to use the state to do it.

Byzantine:

Also, AIDS has yet to break out of those population groups with at-risk lifestyles, despite two decades of the CDC assuring us that would be the case.

I have no idea what your point is with this.

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Natalie replied on Fri, Oct 2 2009 11:41 PM

There's apparently some evidence that the antiretroviral medication might cause aids.

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The more I read these articles, the more leg the contrarian case seems to have.

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Poptech replied on Sat, Oct 3 2009 12:59 AM

Telpeurion:
Granted, I think that HIV/AIDS is clearly used for political and monetary gain, but does it not exist?

I don't believe the documentary is implying this at all but rather does HIV cause AIDS and are the tests for it reliable. One of the reasons this was brought up is that those who are infected wth aids all exhibit the same behaviors - homosexuality and drug use.

Transmission categories of male adults and adolescents with HIV/AIDS diagnosed during 2005

 

Some more reading...

A Modern-Day Copernicus: Peter H. Duesberg (Donald W. Miller, M.D. Professor of Surgery, 2006)
Could Duesberg Be Right? (National Review, 1992)
Guinea Pig Kids (BBC, 2004)
Inventing an Epidemic (The American Spectator, 2000)
Out of control: AIDS and the corruption of medical science (Harpers Magazine, 2006)
Pouring Money Down the Federal Research Rat Hole (Fox News, 2001)
What Causes AIDS? (Reason Magazine, 1994)
Why I Quit HIV (Rebecca V. Culshaw, Ph.D. Mathematical Biologist, 2006)
Why I Quit HIV: The Aftermath (Rebecca V. Culshaw, Ph.D. Mathematical Biologist, 2006)

Books:
Infectious AIDS : Have We Been Misled? (Peter H. Duesberg, Ph.D. Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology, 1995)
Inventing the AIDS Virus (Peter H. Duesberg, Ph.D. Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology, 1997)
Science Sold Out: Does HIV Really Cause AIDS? (Rebecca V. Culshaw, Ph.D. Mathematical Biologist, 2007)
The Origin, Persistence and Failings of HIV/AIDS Theory (Henry H. Bauer, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Chemistry, 2007)

Peer Reviewed Papers:
The chemical bases of the various AIDS epidemics: recreational drugs, anti-viral chemotherapy and malnutrition (PDF) (Journal of Biosciences, Volume 28, Number 4, June, 2003)

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Byzantine:
Also, AIDS has yet to break out of those population groups with at-risk lifestyles, despite two decades of the CDC assuring us that would be the case.

I have "manufactured crisis fatigue".  Maybe that means my guard is too low, but I simply cannot summon concern or fear over very much anymore.

Burnt out on the fear mongering.   I can no longer take anything the government says seriously.

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mitcjm:

Telpeurion,

For a more substantial article on the AIDS/HIV/scientific-medical complex (which is linked to in the lewrockwell.com article), check this one out:

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/03/0080961#

The views of people like Duesberg are not just speculation. These people are real scientists.

 

I'm assuming a lot of people took nevirapin, since it gained much support. Is it known how many people have died or become seriously ill from taking the drug?

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Saan replied on Sat, Oct 3 2009 9:40 AM

HIV is big business.  Lots of money involved.  Lots of government involved.  Lots of mistakes. The science is  akin to much of the clap-trap in the weather/climatology mainstream.  That is to say correlation is once again being confused with causation.

 

 "...The post-totalitarian system contrives to force life into its most probable states...This system serves people only to the extent necessary to ensure that people will serve it

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Also, this... http://www.tac.org.za/Documents/ErrorsInFarberArticle.pdf

I haven't finished reading but I'm interested in what some of you may have to say about it.

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Natalie replied on Sat, Oct 3 2009 2:24 PM

Saan:
HIV is big business.  Lots of money involved.  Lots of government involved.  Lots of mistakes. The science is  akin to much of the clap-trap in the weather/climatology mainstream.  That is to say correlation is once again being confused with causation.

I'm extremely suspicious of any sudden diseases and disorders that hadn't been known prior to the 20th century - i.e. when government colluded with big pharma and medical establishment. Consider the ideas popular at the time: eugenics, white supremacism, social engineering, various chemo/radio/mind altering drugs experimenting, all culminating in the horrific medical experiments of the second world war. I'm afraid they have not gone away but rather been repackaged and resold under a different brand and now we're all guinea pigs for Dr Mengelas of our time. Am I too paranoid?

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I. Ryan replied on Sat, Oct 3 2009 2:43 PM

Natalie:

Also, the highest rates of HIV are in Africa, so it could be one of the plots to get control over the former colonies. It does have a made up feel about it. Just like ADHD (who has heard about it before 1980s?) is a ploy to give mind altering drugs to kids (sometimes even against their parents wishes). Now there's this Swine Flu scare and there's already talk about quarantine. It's hard to tell what's really going on.

I definitely think that the whole ADHD establishment is complete bullshit.

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Natalie:
Am I too paranoid?

You can never be too paranoid.

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I. Ryan:

Natalie:

Also, the highest rates of HIV are in Africa, so it could be one of the plots to get control over the former colonies. It does have a made up feel about it. Just like ADHD (who has heard about it before 1980s?) is a ploy to give mind altering drugs to kids (sometimes even against their parents wishes). Now there's this Swine Flu scare and there's already talk about quarantine. It's hard to tell what's really going on.

I definitely think that the whole ADHD establishment is complete bullshit.

It is, which is quite a shame, because there a number of kids out there who do have legit problems concerning ADD, but enough people in society have lost their minds & have gone paternalistic into the extreme whenever a child shows up with problems with their crappy public schools, or with their possibly crappy parents, community, etc.

If it weren't for my parents for being smart enough to realize it was complete nonsense that I had ADD (I only found out about the mis-diagnosis after leaving high school), I would've lived my life medicated since the age of 5. 

Talk about dodging a bullet. Drinks

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Natalie replied on Sat, Oct 3 2009 5:32 PM

I. Ryan:
I definitely think that the whole ADHD establishment is complete bullshit.

Wasn't there an episode of Sopranos where they were making fun of the ADD diagnostics? Such as tapping your foot being one of the symptomps?

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ADD = bored the f*** out of your mind

ADHD = bored the f*** out of your mind

It should now be clear why it is discovered only in school.

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ayrnieu replied on Sat, Oct 3 2009 11:12 PM

Peter Duesberg, before the Property and Freedom Society, presented Is AIDS a viral or a chemical epidemic? (pdf, 49 pages). With a video.

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