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My significant other broke up with me because of religious differences; she didn't want to have a family with someone who didn't have faith. I grew up Christian, and telling her and my family (my brother is a minister) was one of the hardest things I have been through.

That's a bummer dude.  It's hard to uncompromisingly be "you".  But it is unsatisfying living a lie.  That can be poisonous.

 


This is the damned truth, LS.  I only recently came to this conclusion, sadly, and I just turned 30.  I am now open about my anarchistic leanings, bisexual nature, and my polyamorous lifestyle.  Haha.. it turned out, my friends are still my friends, but my family is "highly disappointed" in me.  I actually feel more free than I had ever felt before.  One cannot be afraid of ones own feelings, it's egregious to one's self.  How are we to show examples of living free if we're afraid to be who we are?

I am now a practitioner of the "radical honesty" lifestyle.

 

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

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Lawsome:
I am now a practitioner of the "radical honesty" lifestyle.

Right, and it can be done without being confrontational.

If you find something evil that wobbles, push it. - Gary North

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I recently got broken up with, because the girl I was dating couldn't handle my pessimistic attitude on the world anymore.  She just one day got really angry at me, then got all nasty and ended it. It was really weird, her mood literally changed over night.


Additionally, I need a girl who's intelligent enough so I won't feel awkward about talking about "stuff" Stick out tongue [Individualism and Laissez-Faire].

 

Relevant to this discussion, I'd like to drop a love quote by my favorite Libertarian. 

" "Love" is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own.

Lol I don't wanna here any more 'bout this welfare romance crap! I thought I was in love once. It was in bloody high school so everyone just said it was just teenage hormones or I didn't know what love was or some crap like that... Still don't know if I was or not but I was a wreck for two months afterwards.

All the statists and Keynesians will look up and shout "Save Us!" and I'll wisper "No." 

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Lawsome:
I am now a practitioner of the "radical honesty" lifestyle.

Right, and it can be done without being confrontational.

I completely agree.  I was calm, rational, and patient each time I came out.  I was not blunt, I spoke slowly on the subjects, to give them breather space.  =X

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I would say I am too. Honesty is always a good approach to everything, you just have to don't be so revealing until you think you should.

"Anxiety is the dizziness of freedom." Soren Kierkegaard 

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How the HELL am I going to ever get to know someone, if I get so nervous and over-analytical? I cant control it, I don't how I am supposed to f'ing get anywhere.
I used to be like that. Well not nervous. I would just talk about something they weren't interested in.

You shouldn't worry that most girls aren't into that. Most chicks (people) are completely braindead both intellectually and spiritually. You don't want to try to change yourself to be more mainstream because you'll never be happy with mrs. vanilla. Don't blame yourself. Its just statistically unlikely that you'll find a girl who appreciates that kind of thing, but when you do it will have been worth it.

Really, people are totally worthless. Totally and completely worthless. In person I've met maybe 3 people who don't roll around in the cesspool that is modern culture. Just relax and enjoy life. There are so many beautiful music books movies out there. I can link you some if you give me your tastes/interests.

It was hard for me to acknowledge this before I got into a serious relationship because I was insecure with myself. Now, I don't really care that most girls don't want to hear what I have to say because they're not worth my time. Also bodybuilding helped with my self image, though mainly around other men. It's kind of primitive but you kind of get alpha male status if you're the biggest :P. I noticed a lot more female attention after I started.

 

But you'll never be TNA's The Alpha Male.

As for my interests music is.. Id ont even know where to start. Its everything from Jazz and Classical, to traditional doom metal and black metal, to electronic music, to progressive rock, to stoner rock, post-rock, ambient, sludge metal, melodic metal, indie rock... I should note that I've been learning Piano for a year now, I like synthesizer work too.

Nothing that is a genre of Country, American Rap, or Latin music.

As for books, I tried getting into George R. R. Martin's 'A Song of Ice and Fire' series, but the first book is way too tedious. Any fantasy is extremely tedious. I haven't been into a lot of books for awhile, the last book I finished was Ender's Game. I like Fiction, but I also like my metaphysics and romance(literature term) in books. I think I am going to try reading Stephen King's 'The Dark Tower' series.

I like Anti-Hero characters, too much literature has cliche characters. I thought about writing a short story of an Libertarian-kind of protagonist who ditches his Kingdom because the Hiearchy drives him crazy, his father being the king, telling him who to marry, and wanting to fight in a war for his interests. A bit of an Anti-Hero character who hates Nobles and Knights but cares about people.

As for movies... I haven't been much of a movie person ever, but the last movie I really liked was Dr.Zvago, it was the most epic movie ever. I stayed up late watching it one night, and the whole thing was an epic emotional journey.

 

 

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Also I met a girl who is a Libertarian, and calls herself a "Defender of the Constitution" I told her about Mises, and she said she wanted to hear more about Anarchism. What should I do?

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Democracy for Breakfast:
What should I do?

If you're looking to meet a girl, talk about anything but anarchism.

If you find something evil that wobbles, push it. - Gary North

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Well she seems to already see I am an intellectual... and was interested in knowing why I think the way I do.

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Conza88 replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 3:15 AM

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Also I met a girl who is a Libertarian, and calls herself a "Defender of the Constitution" I told her about Mises, and she said she wanted to hear more about Anarchism. What should I do?

Buy For A New Liberty and read it together. lol

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Marko replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 5:53 AM

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As for books, I tried getting into George R. R. Martin's 'A Song of Ice and Fire' series, but the first book is way too tedious.

Foolish.

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tacoface replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 6:10 AM

hahahahaha champ, save the anarchy shit until youve been inside her and youre really really close. you'll never get a girl by talking to her about anarchy before you even know her. ive been with a girl for a month and still havent brought it up, and im still not going to for a while.

i never talk about anarchy with anyone save family and close friends and even then...

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Conza88 replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 6:41 AM

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become more of an Anarchist

No, you're becoming more of a voluntarist / anti-monopolist. Stick out tongue

So you gave her a link to this site... chances of her finding the forum? And in particular, this thread? Haha... uh oh?

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Snowflake replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 7:12 AM

You guys can always talk about anarchist ideals without mentioning the dreaded A word. Like if a violation of the NAP comes up you can talk about how important liberty is and if there is a non-aggressive alternative we should pursue that etc.

I was explaining to a group of people that virtually everyone is open to libertarianism, since not one member of the group has or ever will use violence on an innocent to get what they want. I didn't drop the A word though.

"It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half-wit and the emperor remains an emperor." ~Dream

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Giant_Joe replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 10:23 AM

I'm always telling people about anarchy.

I asked myself once, "Self, what's the point of believing in something if you're not going to stand up for it or be embarrassed about it?"

Since then, I haven't been embarrassed about being an anarchist, a libertarian, or anything else that I am. Does someone really believe in a cause if they're willing to brush it aside, tip-toe around it, and not mention it to save face? My values are part of who I am, and that's nothing to be ashamed about.

I, for one, have had enough of being crapped on for being the "religious majority" or "racial majority" or "political extremist". Heck, I'm the one who believes in the NAP through-and-through. As far as I'm concerned, that makes my stance ethically and morally superior to anyone who doesn't side with me on that issue, and taking that stance is something to brag about.

Being weak about what you believe in makes other people think that it is a confused cause. That couldn't be farther from the truth.

The appeal to "charity" is a truly ironic one. First, it is hardly "charity" to take wealth by force and hand it over to someone else. -Rothbard

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Exactly, Joe.  I am not embarrassed to be an Anarchist.  However, Snowflake.. was it Snowflake?  Mentioned never dropping the A word and just talking libertarian principles.   That is how I do it when I am in a group of people.  one on one, I tend to drop that A word.  It's a more useful tactic.

 

I was listening to this audio lecture from Hans-Herman Hoppe talking about Mises and Moral Courage.   I'm down like a clown with this.

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

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AJ replied on Tue, Oct 27 2009 10:31 AM

tacoface:
hahahahaha champ, save the anarchy shit until youve been inside her and youre really really close. you'll never get a girl by talking to her about anarchy before you even know her.

Quoted for truth. Bringing up anything like this with a girl you want to get with is nothing short of insane, at least before you get her. She may love liberty and all, but it's not going to get her hot and bothered.

Think outside the monopoly paradigm. Net-based microsecession | Why anarchy hasn't worked

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AJ:

tacoface:
hahahahaha champ, save the anarchy shit until youve been inside her and youre really really close. you'll never get a girl by talking to her about anarchy before you even know her.

Quoted for truth. Bringing up anything like this with a girl you want to get with is nothing short of insane, at least before you get her. She may love liberty and all, but it's not going to get her hot and bothered.

 

So I guess I already screwed up?

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Conza88:
Buy For A New Liberty and read it together. lol

The Barry / Rothbard treatment...

Privatize public servICES!! YES YES YES!

'It is difficult to imagine any normal person wishing to meet Marx for a third time.' - Alexander Gray, The Socialist Tradition

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^There's never a definitive point of truly screwing up on something like that. All women are different. You'll be able to tell if you've already screwed up. Don't feel like you've failed already when you haven't.

"Anxiety is the dizziness of freedom." Soren Kierkegaard 

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