Can you just claim a big territory by starting to fish there, and disallowing everyone else?
alimentarius:Can you just claim a big territory by starting to fish there, and disallowing everyone else?
Can I claim the ocean by starting to fish? That is not what homesteading is? At most, I can claim a portion of the body of water if it is previously unowned.
Schools are labour camps.
It would be as it is now in Lobster fishing. Undoubtedly other types of fishing may have the similar kind of set-up's, but I'm not sure.
"Maine lobstermen have traditionally protected their share of the resource through lobstering territories. In any port, they have an informal, often unspoken agreement about where each member of the fishing community may lay his traps. All the members of one community even lay their strings of traps in one direction, such as north to south, so they don't tangle their lines in someone else's gear."
They have their own lobster "territories" (read: property) in which they traditionally go to year after year. Young lobsterer's may get their own property in time, and anybody that invades any lobsterers property has these repercussions as follows:
"Youngsters who want to enter the fishery may start with a few traps or work as a "sternman," baiting traps and carting gear, for one of the established fishermen. Eventually he or she will be allowed to take over his or her own territory after a suitable apprenticeship. Should an interloper "from away" try to enter the game, he may at first find his gear has been moved or a half-hitch knot tied into his buoy line. If he doesn't get the hint, his traps may be severed from the line. (One string may easily link 10 traps costing $55 each.)"
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of course these are how the lobsterman have traditionally done these things without government regulations, but of course the government has increasingly stepped in over the years to regulate the size of the lobster's, etc... But this homesteading and repercussion measure's were spontaneous acts that all the lobstermen have cooperated and agreed upon over the decades on their own accord.
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alimentarius: Can you just claim a big territory by starting to fish there, and disallowing everyone else?
This or tragedy of the commons?
scineram: This or tragedy of the commons?
What do you mean by that?
How big is your boat and your net?
;-)
You can declare as yours only that part of the sea...
There are things in our world that are hardly appropriated.
The air is a similar case - how much of it can you appropriate?
Or...
Can you just claim a big territory by starting any business there?
You ugly monopolist!
It refers to a classic article in Atlantic magazine by Garret Garret: http://dieoff.org/page95.htm
My brother-in-law is a big deep sea fisherman so I've given this one some thought. Homesteading is the answer for localized species but the challenge is for what are known as pelagic species. These are fish, such as many sharks and swordfish, that roam the entire ocean. They might be off the coast of the U.S. one week and off the coast of Africa the next. Particularly with swordfish, sport fishermen accuse commercial fisherman of overfishing and depleting the oceans. Of course, if this was really happening the cost of swordfish steaks would skyrocket, but most sport fishermen aren't economists.
Any same sport fisherman is in it for the sport, not the food. After all, why spend hundreds of dollars for a small chance of catching a fish when you can spend a few bucks a pound for it at your local market. Because of this, catch and release has become very popular among them lately. In fact, he tells me that circle hooks, which are designed to minimize the injury to the fish, are now legally required off the coast of New Jersey.
My suggestion to him was that sport fishermen who caught a fish tag it and record its size before releasing it. Then, if any commercial boat caught the same fish later it would be required to pay the sport fisherman the current value of a fish of the size that it was when he caught it. He seemed to like the idea. Does anyone else have any ideas for pelagic species?
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