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Burqas in a libertarian society?

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The biggest criminal in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan is the Islamophobe United States government.

Yes, but there are smaller criminals there as well.

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My motivation is to allow forced women to become free. I like libertarianism as an ideology, but like communism, I doubt that it will work out 100% in practice.

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filc replied on Sun, Sep 6 2009 3:32 PM

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You cannot tolerate intolerance.

 

How about passport pictures?

Thats not true. Your free to be prejudice against whomever you like. Just not to enforce those prejudice beleifs on everyone against their will. Your free to be a bigot, just don't ask everyone else to go down that road with you against their will, and don't be upset if no one follows you.

 

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filc replied on Sun, Sep 6 2009 3:34 PM

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My motivation is to allow forced women to become free. I like libertarianism as an ideology, but like communism, I doubt that it will work out 100% in practice.

Communism is bad in theory and in practice as history has shown. So don't compare the two in this way. :)

In a libertarian society women have the right to get up and leave as they wish. She is not the property of her husband and he therefore cannot stop her.

 

That solves your problem of women wanting to become free.

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In a libertarian society females who don't want to be forced to wear certain types of clothings will probably not merry men with those beleifs.

In Islam, there's something called forcd marriages. These will of course be illegal in a libertarian society, but it's almost impossible to prove what is forced and what is not.

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BioTube replied on Sun, Sep 6 2009 3:35 PM

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You cannot tolerate intolerance.
Which is what the left says when it passes antidiscrimination laws. No matter how much you dislike it, the burqa is just a large piece of clothing to be worn or not at the woman's discretion. Banning it because some men force their wives to wear it is akin to banning the Confederate battle flag because of the KKK, only more so.

Keynes must've been a fan of Brave New World; why else would he write a book about its economics?

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There's nothing wrong with bigotry in some cases.

And how about passport pictures? They have no function if you only see a burqa.

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BioTube replied on Sun, Sep 6 2009 3:37 PM

Forced marriages happen in ALL CULTURES. Stop frothing at the mouth just because Islam's involved.

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filc:

In a libertarian society women have the right to get up and leave as they wish. She is not the property of her husband and he therefore cannot stop her.

 

That solves your problem of women wanting to become free.

 She's free only in theory.

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filc replied on Sun, Sep 6 2009 3:40 PM

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In Islam, there's something called forcd marriages. These will of course be illegal in a libertarian society, but it's almost impossible to prove what is forced and what is not.

Thats not true. It's not "In Islam". Forced marriage isn't an attribute of Islam, it's an attribute of a certain cultural tradition. In a libertarian society it's highly unlikely that such an arrangement would have happened in the first place. Still however if it did, there is nothing to stop the women from leaving her husband at any time.

Your trying to blame everything on Islam and it shows. Ever been to latin america? Many central american country's foster a strong machismo culture. They are predominantly catholic christians. So the whole idea that only Ismamists are oppresive to women is just stupid.

You've clearly been indoctrinated by the Imperialist warmongering republican party where they have succesfully replaced devil worshipers and witch doctors with islam.

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BioTube replied on Sun, Sep 6 2009 3:41 PM

More mouthfrothing. That's like saying somebody who's tied up in his house by a burgler is only free in theory.

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filc replied on Sun, Sep 6 2009 3:42 PM

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And how about passport pictures? They have no function if you only see a burqa.

If for some reason your imperalist nation feels that they need passport photo ID's for security then you can have the women remove her Burqa for identification. After she can put it back on. 

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filc replied on Sun, Sep 6 2009 3:43 PM

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 She's free only in theory.

Why in Theory? Whats stopping her? Islam certainly isn't. If it's an oppresive husband it has nothing to do with his religion. How do you explain domestic violence in homes? Or are you arguing that they're all islams, but perhaps don't realize it.

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Fluery replied on Sun, Sep 6 2009 3:56 PM

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There's nothing wrong with bigotry in some cases.

And how about passport pictures? They have no function if you only see a burqa.

I'd imagine there would be a requirement to have your face visible.

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filc:
there is nothing to stop the women from leaving her husband at any time.

Honour killing

filc:
Ever been to latin america? Many central american country's foster a strong machismo culture. They are predominantly catholic christians. So the whole idea that only Ismamists are oppresive to women is just stupid.

It's not only Islam, but Abrahamic religions in general.

 

 

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Daniel replied on Sun, Sep 6 2009 4:06 PM

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And how about passport pictures? They have no function if you only see a burqa.

I seriously think you are intellectual retarded. Since airports would be private, it would be up to the owners of the airport to decide whether women are allowed to wear burqas. Here's a cookie. Now, go play in your own shit.

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filc:
If for some reason your imperalist nation feels that they need passport photo ID's for security then you can have the women remove her Burqa for identification.

Of course we need a passport photo ID. Otherwise we'd have no control who's entering the country.

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filc replied on Sun, Sep 6 2009 4:08 PM

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Honour killing

So your saying honour killing would be allowed in a libertarian society?

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It's not only Islam, but Abrahamic religions in general.

The same could be said for Christianic religions, or all religions for that matter. As I said earlier, if you are blinded by bigotry don't be upset if no one understands your irational and inconsistent bias.

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filc replied on Sun, Sep 6 2009 4:10 PM

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Of course we need a passport photo ID. Otherwise we'd have no control who's entering the country.

Why do we need to control whos entering our country? More bigotry from the right that beleives in a fairy tail that you have a birth right to a plot of land.

 

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filc:
Why do we need to control whos entering our country?

If our country were libertarian, and enough anti-libertarians crossed their borders, they could take over and change the laws. They wouldn't care about  our constitution.

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