Luboš Motl 2: The cool-headed overheat; to this "rational" scientist, I'm a freedom-hating hypercommunist Nazi who should be "jailed or executed"

[Update] Mind Games: Bret Stephens of The Wall Street Journal panders to "skeptics" by abjuring science and declaring himself an expert on "mass neurosis"

TT`s Lost in Tokyo — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 04:56:10 GMT

[Update: For an ongoing case study of the startling irrationality and "sick souls" of some

[Update] Mind Games: Bret Stephens of The Wall Street Journal panders to "skeptics" by abjuring science and declaring himself an expert on "mass neurosis"

TT`s Lost in Tokyo — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:17:14 GMT

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Luboš Motl 3: This lover of freedom and hater of irrationality can`t stand discourse and fantasizes about elimination

TT`s Lost in Tokyo — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:20:20 GMT

I`m disappointed that my attempts at discourse with Lubos Motl have blown up. Lubos, a Czech physicist

re: Luboš Motl: The cool-headed overheat; to this "rational" scientist, I'm a freedom-hating hypercommunist Nazi who should be "jailed or executed"

TokyoTom — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:06:52 GMT

Frank, thanks very much for archiving my comment to Lubos and his deletion! I wasn`t aware of Webcitation; thanks for showing it to me.

I`ll make a note elsewhere on the blog of what he deleted.

re: Luboš Motl: The cool-headed overheat; to this "rational" scientist, I'm a freedom-hating hypercommunist Nazi who should be "jailed or executed"

TokyoTom — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:01:14 GMT

Lepus, thanks for your comment.

1) is certainly correct with some anti-enviros, and it may have some slight foundation (in the degree of socialism present in the enviro movement and in the objectives of many environmentalists to regulate perceived environmental harms by the state). But it`s fair to notice that environmentalists also have their bogeymen and little notice the frequently unhelpful role that states play in aggravating resource problems. So there are perception issues all around, which provides ammo for facile sophists like Bret Stephens to write piece that Motl and others who are predisposed to hate the left lap up.

I think that 2) is also fair for some skeptics, but certainly not all. Many see a potential problems but are more preoccupied with their visions of the train wrecks we get when government is asked to step in to "help" us.

Your last question is a good one, but it is also ubiqitous and not limited to alienated enviro-haters. We all have a difficult time wrapping our heads around the world and are prone to tribal reactions. As a result, fear is not uncommon whenever we feel threatened by those whom we do not identifiy with and do not understand.

The suspicion also extends to people whom you perceive are different but are making strange overtures, possibly like me to Lubos.

re: Luboš Motl: The cool-headed overheat; to this "rational" scientist, I'm a freedom-hating hypercommunist Nazi who should be "jailed or executed"

TokyoTom — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:45:09 GMT

Frank, thanks for pointing out Motl`s blog post. Isn`t it ironic that such a lover of reason should so fail to notice his own glaring deficiencies in it?

He made be smart, but he`s so blinded by his own preconceptions that he is able to engage only in a monologue, and he`s got the emtional maturity of a gnat.

Was I unreasonable or obtuse? It seems that he flew off the handle because of frustration over my failure to play his part he had ascribed for me.

re: Luboš Motl: The cool-headed overheat; to this "rational" scientist, I'm a freedom-hating hypercommunist Nazi who should be "jailed or executed"

bi -- IJI — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:08:44 GMT

Lepus: Beats me. I think the whole anti-environmentalist movement started with 1) causing 2), but in Motl's case I don't know what got him off the deep end.

TokyoTom: Looks like your totally ecocommiechickenlittlefascistic comment over at Motl's blog just got censored, I mean freedomed:

before -- www.webcitation.org/5ZE4C94rU

after -- www.webcitation.org/5ZEK18b9X

re: Luboš Motl: The cool-headed overheat; to this "rational" scientist, I'm a freedom-hating hypercommunist Nazi who should be "jailed or executed"

thelongfuture.blogspot.com/us — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:51:15 GMT

Observation 1) LM (and many other skeptics) seems possessed by genuine fear or paranoia. Hitlers loom, the UN Kyoto Hypercommunists are coming...etc, etc.

Observation 2) LM (and many other skeptics) seems to have apathy or active dislike for the environment or the natural world. Restated: from a normal person's viewpoint, the skeptics are blind to the many interrelated issues like species diversity, extinctions, environmental support systems.

Question: are the two observations above related? Are we looking at an actual inability to connect with a larger world, followed by them becoming fearful of the people (who do) that they cannot understand?

--Lepus

...and quarantined, euthanized...

bi -- IJI — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:02:47 GMT

Oh, wait:

www.webcitation.org/5ZE0GSy7h

-- bi, http://frankbi.wordpress.com/

Jailed or executed, vs. tried

bi -- IJI — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:44:50 GMT

"In my opinion, people like you should be put in jail or executed before it's too late."

Heh, will Motl dare to express such sentiments in public? Hansen just suggested that oil CEOs and think-tanks should be "tried" -- only tried -- for high crimes against humanity, and look at the crapstorm he faced.

-- bi, <a href="frankbi.wordpress.com/"><i>International Journal of Inactivism</i></a>