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&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/25/capitalism-the-destructive-exploitation-of-the-amazon-and-the-tragedy-of-the-government-owned-commons.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=155527" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/tragedy+of+commons/default.aspx">tragedy of commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/property+rights/default.aspx">property rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/fisheries/default.aspx">fisheries</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Pielke/default.aspx">Pielke</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Amazon/default.aspx">Amazon</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Lahsen/default.aspx">Lahsen</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Hardin/default.aspx">Hardin</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Bahner/default.aspx">Bahner</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/technology/default.aspx">technology</category></item><item><title>Libertarians to lefty-enviros: without community-based property rights, sustainable fisheries are impossible </title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/11/libertarians-to-lefty-enviros-without-community-based-property-rights-sustainable-fisheries-are-impossible.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 03:53:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:147105</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=147105</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=147105</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/11/libertarians-to-lefty-enviros-without-community-based-property-rights-sustainable-fisheries-are-impossible.aspx#comments</comments><description>Readers from RealClimate , thanks for your visit. Here`s my comment with embedded links: #188 / 245: Neal &amp;amp; Jim, thanks for the references to the successful experiments in Iceland, NZ and the Alaskan pollock fishery to replace the tragedy of the government...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/11/libertarians-to-lefty-enviros-without-community-based-property-rights-sustainable-fisheries-are-impossible.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=147105" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/property+rights/default.aspx">property rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/fisheries/default.aspx">fisheries</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/RealClimate/default.aspx">RealClimate</category></item><item><title>Strange but true: in the context of climate &amp; fisheries, enviros discuss property rights, cooperation and the tragedy of the commons</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/10/strange-but-true-in-the-context-of-climate-amp-fisheries-enviros-discuss-property-rights-and-cooperation.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 15:28:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:145669</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=145669</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=145669</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/10/strange-but-true-in-the-context-of-climate-amp-fisheries-enviros-discuss-property-rights-and-cooperation.aspx#comments</comments><description>Here , in the belly of the Beast - the &amp;quot; RealClimate&amp;quot; blog by climate scientists. Anybody wanna chip in? So far, comments by yours truly are as follows: 134. TokyoTom Says: 8 May 2009 at 11:56 AM Gavin, thanks for a thoughtful post that I hope...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/10/strange-but-true-in-the-context-of-climate-amp-fisheries-enviros-discuss-property-rights-and-cooperation.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=145669" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/property+rights/default.aspx">property rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Enviro+Derangement+Syndrome/default.aspx">Enviro Derangement Syndrome</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/fisheries/default.aspx">fisheries</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Knappenberger/default.aspx">Knappenberger</category></item><item><title>For crashing fisheries, a coalition of mainline US enviro groups calls for .... property rights!</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/01/15/for-crashing-fisheries-coalition-of-mainline-us-enviro-groups-calls-for-property-rights.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:29:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:79236</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=79236</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=79236</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/01/15/for-crashing-fisheries-coalition-of-mainline-us-enviro-groups-calls-for-property-rights.aspx#comments</comments><description>In a recent post , Andy Revkin , a New York Times reporter who blogs on energy and environmental issues at his &amp;quot;Dot Earth&amp;quot; blog, asks &amp;quot;When whale species, like the minke, are no longer rare, can they be both admired and eaten &amp;mdash; as...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/01/15/for-crashing-fisheries-coalition-of-mainline-us-enviro-groups-calls-for-property-rights.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=79236" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/tragedy+of+commons/default.aspx">tragedy of commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/property+rights/default.aspx">property rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Enviro+Derangement+Syndrome/default.aspx">Enviro Derangement Syndrome</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/whales/default.aspx">whales</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/fisheries/default.aspx">fisheries</category></item><item><title>Somali piracy flows from the greater and continuing Western theft and abuse of Somali marine resources</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/01/07/somali-piracy-flows-from-the-greater-and-continuing-western-theft-and-abuse-of-somali-marine-resources.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:42:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:77275</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>4</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=77275</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=77275</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/01/07/somali-piracy-flows-from-the-greater-and-continuing-western-theft-and-abuse-of-somali-marine-resources.aspx#comments</comments><description>The January 4 Huffington Post carries a perceptive column by Johann Hari , a writer for the Independent , who explains that Somali piracy (which I have commented on here and here ) has roots in the Western theft and abuse of Somali marine resources -...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/01/07/somali-piracy-flows-from-the-greater-and-continuing-western-theft-and-abuse-of-somali-marine-resources.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=77275" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/tragedy+of+commons/default.aspx">tragedy of commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/fisheries/default.aspx">fisheries</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/piracy/default.aspx">piracy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Somalia/default.aspx">Somalia</category></item><item><title>Save wild fisheries - buy your certified sustainable salmon from Walmart!</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/12/09/save-wild-fisheries-buy-your-certified-sustainable-salmon-from-walmart.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:35:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:70449</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><description>I&amp;#39;ve blogged before on the &amp;quot;tragedy of the commons&amp;quot;/bureaucratic mismanagement problems that underlie the crashing of the West Coast salmon fisheries and that imperil the giant Atlantic bluefin tuna ; a recent article by Fortune shows that...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/12/09/save-wild-fisheries-buy-your-certified-sustainable-salmon-from-walmart.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=70449" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/property+rights/default.aspx">property rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/whales/default.aspx">whales</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/fisheries/default.aspx">fisheries</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Salmon/default.aspx">Salmon</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/tuna/default.aspx">tuna</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Walmart/default.aspx">Walmart</category></item><item><title>Tragedy of the ocean commons: stocks of giant Atlantic bluefin tuna look ready to crash, like the once rich cod fishery</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/11/28/tragedy-of-the-ocean-commons-atlantic-bluefin-tuna-stocks-look-ready-to-crash-like-the-once-rich-cod-fishery.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:50:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:67734</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><description>Despite an 80% drop in populations of east Atlantic and Mediterranean bluefin tuna since the mid-1970s, and continued massive overfishing above agreed quotas, the International Commission for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas (ICCAT), under pressure...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/11/28/tragedy-of-the-ocean-commons-atlantic-bluefin-tuna-stocks-look-ready-to-crash-like-the-once-rich-cod-fishery.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=67734" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/tragedy+of+commons/default.aspx">tragedy of commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/fisheries/default.aspx">fisheries</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/ITQs/default.aspx">ITQs</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/tuna/default.aspx">tuna</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/privatization/default.aspx">privatization</category></item><item><title>Destroying the salmon; the socialized commons and climate change (Part II)</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/07/24/destroying-the-salmon-the-socialized-commons-and-climate-change-part-ii.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:20:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:43601</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>3</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=43601</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=43601</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/07/24/destroying-the-salmon-the-socialized-commons-and-climate-change-part-ii.aspx#comments</comments><description>I briefly commented previously on the perilous state of the West Coast salmon fishery , which is crashing due not only to climate change-related stresses in the ocean and in stream flows, but also to our government&amp;#39;s destruction of Indian-held private...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/07/24/destroying-the-salmon-the-socialized-commons-and-climate-change-part-ii.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=43601" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/fisheries/default.aspx">fisheries</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate+change/default.aspx">climate change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Salmon/default.aspx">Salmon</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/bureacratic+mismanagement/default.aspx">bureacratic mismanagement</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/socialized+commons/default.aspx">socialized commons</category></item><item><title>George Monbiot: Why do governments subsidize the rush by fishermen to destroy unowned ocean fisheries?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/07/10/fuel-strikes-why-do-governments-subsidize-the-rush-by-fishermen-to-destroy-unowned-ocean-fisheries.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:59:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:40965</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=40965</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=40965</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/07/10/fuel-strikes-why-do-governments-subsidize-the-rush-by-fishermen-to-destroy-unowned-ocean-fisheries.aspx#comments</comments><description>In the context of the latest fuel strikes by European fishermen, George Monbiot has an excellent piece in the July 8th Guardian that explores the role of governments in subsidizing the destructive &amp;quot;tragedy of the commons&amp;quot; that is ocean fisheries...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/07/10/fuel-strikes-why-do-governments-subsidize-the-rush-by-fishermen-to-destroy-unowned-ocean-fisheries.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=40965" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/tragedy+of+commons/default.aspx">tragedy of commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Ron+Bailey/default.aspx">Ron Bailey</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/fisheries/default.aspx">fisheries</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Jon+Adler/default.aspx">Jon Adler</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Monbiot/default.aspx">Monbiot</category></item><item><title>Destroying the salmon; the socialized commons and climate change</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/06/16/destroying-the-salmon-the-socialized-commons-and-climate-change.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:34:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:37906</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=37906</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=37906</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/06/16/destroying-the-salmon-the-socialized-commons-and-climate-change.aspx#comments</comments><description>More later . We need to go back to the past ....(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/06/16/destroying-the-salmon-the-socialized-commons-and-climate-change.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=37906" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/fisheries/default.aspx">fisheries</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate+change/default.aspx">climate change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Salmon/default.aspx">Salmon</category></item><item><title>Whales and fisheries - "standing up to Japan", or enclosing the commons?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/02/15/whales-and-fisheries-quot-standing-up-to-japan-quot-or-enclosing-the-commons.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:45:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:19093</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>4</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=19093</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=19093</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/02/15/whales-and-fisheries-quot-standing-up-to-japan-quot-or-enclosing-the-commons.aspx#comments</comments><description>Dave Neiwert, a thoughtful voice on the left and with an experienced, informed view on America&amp;#39;s right-wing racist fringe, has a rather confused post up on whaling on his blog, Orcinus. http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/02/standing-up-to-japan.html...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/02/15/whales-and-fisheries-quot-standing-up-to-japan-quot-or-enclosing-the-commons.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=19093" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/property+rights/default.aspx">property rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/whales/default.aspx">whales</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Dave+Neiwert/default.aspx">Dave Neiwert</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/fisheries/default.aspx">fisheries</category></item><item><title>Ron Bailey of Reason congratulates Al Gore</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/10/15/reason-congratulations-to-al-gore.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:33:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:1656</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>4</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=1656</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=1656</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/10/15/reason-congratulations-to-al-gore.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[updated] A great new post by libertarian Ron Bailey of Reason here:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congratulations to Al Gore&lt;br /&gt;But be wary of the man&amp;#39;s proposed solutions for global warming.&lt;br /&gt;Ronald Bailey | October 12, 2007&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/122960.html"&gt;http://www.reason.com/news/show/122960.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; Here are some excerpts (emphasis added), followed by a copy of my comments over at Reason:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[Gore is] wrong to characterize global warming as a moral and spiritual problem. Man-made global warming is not some kind of environmental sin. &lt;b&gt;It&amp;#39;s just another commons problem that has emerged as human civilization continues to develop.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;Most environmental problems arise in what are called open-access commons.&lt;/b&gt; That is, people pollute air and rivers, overfish lakes and oceans, cut down rainforests, and so forth because &lt;b&gt;no one owns those natural resources and therefore no one has an interest in protecting them. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The point is clearest in the case of tropical forests and fisheries. No one owns the forests or fisheries, so anyone may exploit them. No one has an incentive to leave any trees or fish behind because, if they do, someone else will harvest them and get the benefits for themselves. In other words, those who immediately benefit from exploiting the resource do not bear the long-run costs of its ultimate destruction. &lt;b&gt;This mismatch between benefits and costs is a recipe for disaster. Similarly, no one owns the global atmosphere, so there is no incentive for anyone to protect it from various pollutants, including greenhouse gases that tend to raise average global temperatures.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Generally, humanity has solved environmental problems caused by open-access situations by either privatizing the relevant commons or regulating it.&amp;nbsp; ... &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As a skeptic of government action, I had hoped that the scientific evidence would lead to the conclusion that global warming would not be &lt;a href="http://www.reason.com/blog/show/113924.html"&gt;much of a problem&lt;/a&gt;, so that humanity could avoid the messy and highly politicized process of deciding what to do about it. Although people of good will can still disagree about the scientific evidence for climate change, I now believe that &lt;b&gt;Gore has got it basically right. The balance of the evidence shows that global warming could well be a significant problem over the course of this century.&lt;/b&gt; ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Yale economist William Nordhaus&amp;nbsp;... calculates that the optimal policy would impose a carbon tax&lt;/b&gt; of $34 per metric ton carbon in 2010, with the tax increases gradually reaching $42 per ton in 2015, $90 per ton in 2050, and $207 per ton of carbon in 2100. A $20 per metric ton carbon tax will raise coal prices by $10 per ton, which is about a 40 percent increase over the current price of $25 per ton. A $10 per ton carbon tax translates into a 4 cent per gallon increase in gasoline. A $300 per ton carbon tax would raise gasoline prices by $1.20 per gallon. &lt;b&gt;Following this optimal trajectory would cost $2.2 trillion and reduce climate change damage by $5.2 trillion over the next century&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;nbsp;...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Man-made global warming is an economic and technical problem of the sort that humanity has solved many times. &lt;/b&gt;For example, forests are expanding in rich countries because they have well-developed private property rights. Also in rich countries, regulations have helped once polluted rivers and lakes to become clean and have drastically cut air pollution. One of the keys to solving environmental problems is economic growth and wealth.&amp;nbsp;...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In any case, &lt;b&gt;global warming is not the result of environmental sin; it is the result of human progress creating another commons problem. ... I have no doubt that man-made global warming is an economic and technical problem that an inventive humanity will solve over the course of the 21st century.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still, congratulations are in order to Al Gore for being recognized by the Nobel committee for his persistence in trying to get humanity to pay attention to this new commons problem.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; Here is a digest of my comments to Ron:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Basically, a great post, but I&amp;#39;ve got a few small quibbles.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; You were right last year when you said that &amp;quot;In the end, the debate over global warming and its obverse, humanity&amp;#39;s energy future, &lt;b&gt;is a moral issue&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.reason.com/blog/show/113924.html"&gt;http://www.reason.com/blog/show/113924.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; I share your understanding of the economics and institutional problem and agree that a straightforward explanation of these is important for very many.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;3.&amp;nbsp; However, you forget what evolutionary psychology, Ostrom and Yandle have explained to us so well about how our innate moral sense drives and underpins mankind&amp;#39;s success as a species by enhancing our ability to&amp;nbsp;cooperate and to overcome commons issues.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ostrom&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;a href="http://conservationcommons.org/media/document/docu-wyycyz.pdf"&gt;http://conservationcommons.org/media/document/docu-wyycyz.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Yandle&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;a href="http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid=4064"&gt;http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid=4064&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Our long history of developed rules and institutions (informal and formal now overlapping) are based on our moral sense and the effectiveness of these rules depends critically on our moral investment in accepting their legitimacy - witness our views on murder, theft, lying and &amp;quot;not playing by the rules&amp;quot; - and in voluntarily complying with them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Our moral sense reinforces our judgments about when rules/institutions are not working and the need to develop new ones in response to changing circumstances and new problems.&amp;nbsp; When we see a problem that we think requires change, it is unavoidable that we respond to the status quo, the behavior of people within it and the need for change with a moral sense.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;This is simply a part of our evolutionary endowment.&amp;nbsp; (Of course, other parts of our endowment accentuate our suspicions of smooth talkers and help us catch free riders and looters and to guard against threats from outsiders.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;4.&amp;nbsp; Accordingly, while it&amp;#39;s unclear how deliberate Gore&amp;#39;s&amp;nbsp;talk of &amp;quot;a moral and spiritual challenge&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;lifting the global consciousness&amp;quot; is or whether this is a productive&amp;nbsp;approach for some people, I think it is fairly clear that, in order to build consensus for a solution to the climate commons problem (and other difficult commons problems) and to ensure that any agreed solutions are actually implemented, we will need to bring our moral senses to bear.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;In other words, it is RIGHT to worry about climate change, but no meaningful/effective &amp;quot;solution&amp;quot; can be reached or implemented unless it is FAIR and the parties involved have sufficient TRUST (backed by information) in each other.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;5.&amp;nbsp; You have understated the AGW problem, especially in light of the inertia both in our energy systems and in the climate, the long duration of CO2 and other GHGS, and the rapidity with which the climate is already changing - faster than even this year&amp;#39;s IPCC reports: &lt;a href="http://www.carbonequity.info/docs/arctic.html"&gt;http://www.carbonequity.info/docs/arctic.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;6.&amp;nbsp; It is surprising that in referring to Nordhaus you have not indicated the ways in which it seems clear that Nordhaus has understated the costs and risks of climate change and the utility of acting sooner rather than later, as noted by &lt;b&gt;Weitzman&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;b&gt;Sterner &amp;amp; Persson&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;b&gt;Quiggin&lt;/b&gt; and others, or that by &amp;ldquo;revenue recycling&amp;quot; as noted by McKitrick we can substantially reduce the costs of carbon abatement policies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/Weitzman/papers/JELSternReport.pdf"&gt;http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/Weitzman/papers/JELSternReport.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rff.org/Documents/RFF-DP-07-37.pdf"&gt;www.rff.org/Documents/RFF-DP-07-37.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2006/11/17/stern-on-the-costs-of-climate-change-part-1/"&gt;http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2006/11/17/stern-on-the-costs-of-climate-change-part-1/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/co2briefing.pdf"&gt;http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/co2briefing.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;7.&amp;nbsp; You fail to note that while there are real costs to our economies to build climate change institutions, once established in principle any resulting carbon pricing reflects real costs and is not a &amp;ldquo;cost&amp;rdquo; to the economy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;8.&amp;nbsp; It is a puzzle that you did not note that the most powerful way to call forth the investment and behavior changes that would help us to &amp;ldquo;find a cheap, low-carbon source of energy&amp;rdquo; and to limit GHG emissions would be to find ways that would effectively price GHG emissions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;9.&amp;nbsp; Finally, one further comment on this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;quot;One of the keys to solving environmental problems is economic growth and wealth.&amp;nbsp; ... So keep in mind that anything that unduly retards economic growth also retards ultimate environmental clean-up, including global warming.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Not sure what you&amp;#39;re driving at here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;As far as developing countries go, efforts by Western nations to address climate change are actually net subsidies to them (by dampening Western demand for fossil fuels) and are providing incentives and investment for growth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;And as for Western economies, at least in principle internalizing externalities by enclosing commons (that have provided value which has not been factored into GDP) doesn&amp;#39;t retard economic growth, but enables it by forestalling the destruction of resources, permitting greater wealth-generating private transactions and reducing inefficiency.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=1656" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate/default.aspx">climate</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/tragedy+of+commons/default.aspx">tragedy of commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/environment/default.aspx">environment</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/property/default.aspx">property</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/ostrom/default.aspx">ostrom</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/gore/default.aspx">gore</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/yandle/default.aspx">yandle</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Ron+Bailey/default.aspx">Ron Bailey</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/fisheries/default.aspx">fisheries</category></item><item><title>Libertarian denial; clever but not wise</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/10/12/libertarian-reticience-other-than-to-bash-enviros.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:07:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:1382</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>18</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=1382</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=1382</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/10/12/libertarian-reticience-other-than-to-bash-enviros.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Previously posted&amp;nbsp;on a recent thread (&lt;a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/007152.asp" class="entry-title"&gt;Malthus and Mein Kampf come to Cork&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;- thanks, &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=corrigan"&gt;Sean Corrigan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;!) in response to someone who is concerned about environmental problems but is unfamiliar with Austrian approaches.]&lt;a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/007152.asp#comments"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Man is clever but not wise (&amp;quot;homo sapiens&amp;quot; is a misnomer) and we remain very much a part of the ecosystems that we pretend to master even as we swamp them with the growing demands that our rapidly improving technology and burgeoning populations impose. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;While our demands on the natural environment is much tempered in the developed economies by the feedback mechanisms of property rights, markets and pricing signals, those signals are flawed in our own economies as a result of government interference, and in any event are not working well with respect to many resources and products acquired from developing economies - due to the interwined problems of a lack of clear and enforceable property rights, government ownership and regulation/fiat, and kleptocracy and corruption for the benefit of elites.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;For other shared resources/ecosystems - the atmosphere and oceans - the lack of property rights or other accepted management regime is leading to clear stresses, as we wipe out one fish stock after another and continue to unintentionally modify our global climate by various economic behavior for which actors have no liability to others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;And in the developing world, our improving technology and growing market demands are devasting tropical forests - which indigenous inhabitants are hapless to defend against theft by governments and elites - and leading to severe environmental problems in places where there are no effective ownership rights or liability rules.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;As a result, despite a fair degree of property-rights-based managment in the developed economies, it does rather seem that mankind is eating itself out of house and home, and leaving less and less to our coinhabitants - other than those we`ve made expressly a part of our food chain.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;These are very difficult problems that will not go away. My own view is that the reticence with which others here approach these issues is informed by the rather glaring truth - especially in the US - that the government is always susceptible to rent-seeking by parties looking for a handout or special treatment at the cost of others, hopelessly incompetent and always subject to corruption and self-aggrandizement by bureaucrats and power-broking politicians. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The concern about &amp;quot;socialism&amp;quot; is a code for the very worst excesses of government (particularly war and genocide) that we saw in the last century and are still evident today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Libertarians have been preoccupied with trying to fight government and restore greater human dignity and freedom, and have tended (as the Western environmental crises have been largely resolved) to overlook - as largely out of view - problems of the type that you have been pointing out, while seeing those with environmental concerns as merely another set of obnoxious people trying to get what they want not through the marketplace but by pushing greater governmental involvement. Besides, they are in principle opposed to governments acting, and so find themselves at a loss to address problems that arise are a result of ineffective governance elsewhere.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;So they tend to prefer to argue with you over ways in which YOU misunderstand markets (such as correctly explaining that peak oil is not a real problem as it will be handled by the markets as it involves owned resources) rather than how THEY are ignoring the significant cases where the markets are functioning very poorly due to a lack of clear and enforceable property rights.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;... [MORE]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It used to be that nature itself kept us in check and our impact on the natural world relative limited. But modern, industrial man is no longer threatened by predators and our cooperative organizational abilities and evolving technology literally mean that we are eating most life on this planet out of house and home. I read recently that humans now consume something like 25% of the world`s primary production.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The question is how do we best regulate our impact? I think we have to acknowledge that man will always place a priority on satisying our personal needs, at the cost of both shared needs and concerns (more or less shared) about the broader environment that supports us and the rest of creation. But there are signs of hope in the west (as Lomborg correctly notes), even as one is easily dismayed by the destruction taking place in the oceans and in less developed countries. The hope is proved by the recovery of domestic environments when people move to protect property rights and regulate industrial activities that are ecologically/economically damaging.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The more difficult problem lies in those places where those who are concerned about the abusive use of resources are unable to express their preferences by directly acquiring and protecting resources or persuading others to do so, because of a want of sufficent law and order.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;It seems that, in the face of the ongoing development of parts of the world that are still experiencing population growth, the best we can hope for is the preservation of scraps of the natural world, and that - after ocean fisheries and tropical forests are largely destroyed - that various ownership and management regimes will finally arise that will find economic benefit in restoring parts of the wild.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=1382" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate/default.aspx">climate</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/tragedy+of+commons/default.aspx">tragedy of commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/environment/default.aspx">environment</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/development/default.aspx">development</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Malthus/default.aspx">Malthus</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/fisheries/default.aspx">fisheries</category></item><item><title>Mises on fixing externalities: progress along the Kuznets curve is not magic, but the result of institution-building</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/10/12/draft.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:23:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:1386</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=1386</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=1386</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/10/12/draft.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Not all externalities are crimes, and as long as CO2 does not make clear victims, it should be left as an externality for people to adapt to ....&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In response to this&amp;nbsp;statement on a recent thread (&lt;a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/007152.asp#comments"&gt;http://blog.mises.org/archives/007152.asp#comments&lt;/a&gt;), I observed, in the context of the impact of man&amp;#39;s activities on the climate,&amp;nbsp;that:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But &lt;b&gt;Mises&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/the-commons-tragedy-or-triumph/"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Yandle&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and others speak of &lt;b&gt;transition points&lt;/b&gt;, that are reached when demand pressure grows as a result of social changes (including new forms of organization) or technological advances (which might also enable greater protection), when open-access resources fall first under common property regimes and then later under private property rights.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think we are at one of those points now. (emphasis added)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When another remarked that a transition might seem to involve &amp;quot;mob rule&amp;quot;, I noted that Mises had expressly acknowledged the need for transitions and implied that the state could be used to address them, and briefly quoted Mises.&amp;nbsp; I take this opportunity&amp;nbsp;quote more extensively&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mises&amp;#39;&lt;/b&gt; view on externalities, evolving&amp;nbsp;property rights and the state&lt;/span&gt; (emphasis added):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;ldquo;&lt;b&gt;Property rights as they are circumscribed by laws and protected by courts and the police, are the outgrowth of an age-long evolution.&lt;/b&gt; &amp;hellip; &lt;b&gt;The legal concepts of property do not fully take account of the social function of private property.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;There are certain inadequacies and incongruities&lt;/b&gt; which are reflected in the determination of the market phenomena.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;ldquo;&lt;b&gt;Carried through consistently, the right of property would entitle the proprietor to claim all the advantages which the good&amp;#39;s employment may generate on the one hand and would burden him with all the disadvantages resulting from its employment on the other hand.&lt;/b&gt; Then the proprietor alone would be fully responsible for the outcome. In dealing with his property he would take into account all the expected results of his action, those considered favorable as well as those considered unfavorable. But &lt;b&gt;if some of the consequences of his action are outside of the sphere of the benefits he is entitled to reap and of the drawbacks that are put to his debit, he will not bother in his planning about all the effects of his action. He will disregard those benefits which do not increase his own satisfaction and those costs which do not burden him. His conduct will deviate from the line which it would have followed if the laws were better adjusted to the economic objectives of private ownership.&lt;/b&gt; He will embark upon certain projects only because the laws release him from responsibility for some of the costs incurred. He will abstain from other projects merely because the laws prevent him from harvesting all the advantages derivable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;ldquo;&lt;b&gt;The laws concerning liability and indemnification for damages caused were and still are in some respects deficient.&lt;/b&gt; By and large the principle is accepted that everybody is liable to damages which his actions have inflicted upon other people. But &lt;b&gt;there were loopholes left which the legislators were slow to fill.&lt;/b&gt; I&lt;b&gt;n some cases this tardiness was intentional because the imperfections agreed with the plans of the authorities.&lt;/b&gt; When in the past in many countries the &lt;b&gt;owners of factories and railroads were not held liable for the damages&lt;/b&gt; which the conduct of their enterprises inflicted on the property and health of neighbors, patrons, employees, and other people through smoke, soot, noise, water pollution, and accidents caused by defective or inappropriate equipment, the idea was that one should not undermine the progress of industrialization and the development of transportation facilities. &lt;b&gt;The same doctrines which prompted and still are prompting many governments to encourage investment in factories and railroads through subsidies, tax exemption, tariffs, and cheap credit were at work in the emergence of a legal state of affairs in which the liability of such enterprises was either formally or practically abated&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;rdquo;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;ldquo;&lt;b&gt;Whether the proprietor&amp;#39;s relief from responsibility for some of the disadvantages resulting from his conduct of affairs is the outcome of a deliberate policy on the part of governments and legislators or whether it is an unintentional effect of the traditional working of laws, it is at any rate a datum which the actors must take into account. They are faced with the problem of external costs. Then some people choose certain modes of want-satisfaction merely on account of the fact that a part of the costs incurred are debited not to them but to other people.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;ldquo;&lt;b&gt;The extreme instance is provided by the case of no-man&amp;#39;s property referred to above. If land is not owned by anybody, although legal formalism may call it public property, it is utilized without any regard to the disadvantages resulting.&lt;/b&gt; Those who are in a position to appropriate to themselves the returns--lumber and game of the forests, fish of the water areas, and mineral deposits of the subsoil--do not bother about the later effects of their mode of exploitation. For them the erosion of the soil, the depletion of the exhaustible resources and other impairments of the future utilization are external costs not entering into their calculation of input and output. They cut down the trees without any regard for fresh shoots or reforestation. In hunting and fishing they do not shrink from methods preventing the repopulation of the hunting and fishing grounds.&lt;b&gt; In the early days of human civilization, when soil of a quality not inferior to that of the utilized pieces was still abundant, people did not find any fault with such predatory methods. &lt;/b&gt;When their effects appeared in a decrease in the net returns, the ploughman abandoned his farm and moved to another place. &lt;b&gt;It was only when a country was more densely settled and unoccupied first class land was no longer available for appropriation, that people began to consider such predatory methods wasteful. At that time they consolidated the institution of private property in land. They started with arable land and then, step by step, included pastures, forests, and fisheries.&lt;/b&gt; The newly settled colonial countries overseas, especially the vast spaces of the United States, whose marvelous agricultural potentialities were almost untouched when the first colonists from Europe arrived, passed through the same stages. &lt;b&gt;Until the last decades of the nineteenth century there was always a geographic zone open to newcomers--the frontier.&lt;/b&gt; Neither the existence of the frontier nor its passing was peculiar to America. What characterizes American conditions is the fact that at the time the frontier disappeared ideological and institutional factors impeded the adjustment of the methods of land utilization to the change in the data. &amp;hellip;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;ldquo;&lt;b&gt;It is true that where a considerable part of the costs incurred are external costs from the point of view of the acting individuals or firms, the economic calculation established by them is manifestly defective and their results deceptive. But this is not the outcome of alleged deficiencies inherent in the system of private ownership of the means of production. It is on the contrary a consequence of loopholes left in this system. It could be removed by a reform of the laws concerning liability for damages inflicted and by rescinding the institutional barriers preventing the full operation of private ownership.&lt;/b&gt;&amp;rdquo;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/humanaction/chap23sec6.asp"&gt;http://mises.org/humanaction/chap23sec6.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ludwig von Mises, Part IV (Das Handeln in der Marktwirtschaft), Chapter 10 (Kapitel: Die Daten der Marktlage), Sec. VI (Die Grenzen des Sondereigentums und das Problem der external costs und external economies), National&amp;ouml;konomie: Theorie des Handelns und Wirtschaftens (Geneva: Editions Union, 1940). The quote provided is from Mises&amp;#39;s expanded English translation, Chapter XXIII: &amp;ldquo;The Data of the Market,&amp;rdquo; Sec. 6: &amp;quot;The Limits of Property Rights and the Problems of External Costs and External Economies,&amp;quot; &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;Human Action: A Treatise on Economics&lt;/span&gt; (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1949). &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:11pt;color:black;font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US"&gt;By the way, it has has elsewhere been noted on VMI that with this essay, Mises explained how environmental problems arise from&amp;nbsp;the lack of clear, appropriate and enforceable property rights some decades before bioethicist &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;Garrett Hardin&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;in his famous 1968 essay,&amp;nbsp; &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;&amp;quot;The Tragedy of the Commons&amp;quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://mises.org/story/1373"&gt;http://mises.org/story/1373&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;"&gt;But we should not ignore that Mises pointed not only at the problem of externalities, but also at the transitions that societies make, deliberately or through changes in customs, to reduce externalities.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=1386" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate/default.aspx">climate</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/tragedy+of+commons/default.aspx">tragedy of commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/environment/default.aspx">environment</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/mises/default.aspx">mises</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/fisheries/default.aspx">fisheries</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/transition/default.aspx">transition</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Kuznets/default.aspx">Kuznets</category></item><item><title>Too Many or Too Few People?  Does the market provide an answer?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/09/28/too-many-or-too-few-people-does-the-market-provide-an-answer.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:49:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:530</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>11</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=530</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=530</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/09/28/too-many-or-too-few-people-does-the-market-provide-an-answer.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Dan McLaughlin&lt;/b&gt; asks the first of these interesting questions on the Mises blog,&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://mises.org/story/2718"&gt;http://mises.org/story/2718&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; The second question is mine, and I addressed it briefly&amp;nbsp;in the blog responses to Dan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I take the liberty of posting that response here (revised slightly and with&amp;nbsp;a few further comments):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Too many or too few? Good question, Dan. I agree with you that the population question is like any other aspect of the social order: best addressed by the market and by free societies.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;There are just a few small problems - even within the developed world (and very clearly outside of it), there are many important resources that are &lt;b&gt;unowned&lt;/b&gt; and thus not fully priced in the &amp;quot;market&amp;quot; economy. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unowned resources include almost all of Nature.&amp;nbsp; Primary productivity (the amount of vegetation produced from photosynthesis) has changed little, so as we&amp;nbsp;use technology and our organizational abilities to divert more and more of it to feed us, this is&amp;nbsp;an inevitable cost to other species, either directly or in the form of altered environments that support less life (and less diversity of life).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In altering our environments to suit us, we are of course no different from other life forms that compete for resources to live and propagate, but with our technical and organizational abilities, mankind has&amp;nbsp;clearly triumphed over the rest of nature (except perhaps evolving microbes, to whom we represent an increasingly large and relatively untapped food source). But at what cost? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Through the centuries we have wiped out many wild systems of food and other resources - because they were never owned, and because our improving technology enabled us to race each other to take the resources before others (or from others, in the case of many native peoples). Not only &lt;b&gt;Jared Diamond`s&lt;/b&gt; &amp;quot;guns, germs and steel&amp;quot;, but also forms of social organization have played deciding roles in the competition between human societies for survival, growth and dominance.&amp;nbsp; In this regard, societies that recognize and protect property rights and utilize free markets have proven clearly superior in the competition with&amp;nbsp;other societies to obtain and utilize available resources.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But our struggle has been not only to capture resources and to use them before others do, but also to manage and protect them effectively.&amp;nbsp; Evolving ownership systems have been a key means of limiting wasteful &amp;quot;tragedy of the commons&amp;quot; struggles (see &lt;a href="http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/the-commons-tragedy-or-triumph/"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Yandle&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/10/11/draft.aspx"&gt;&lt;b&gt;von Mises&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;), but even&amp;nbsp;where ownership systems have been implemented, we have generally replaced complex natural systems with simpler systems designed solely to feed us (and particularly so where, due to higher consumptive demand, we have replaced common property systems with private property systems (&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/10/12/building-property-rights-for-common-resources.aspx"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ostrom&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;)).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Meanwhile, virtually all of the natural world - the world&amp;#39;s oceans, atmosphere, tropical reefs, tropical forests and other great commons - remain unowned and thus unmanaged and unregulated (or indigenous occupants have been forced aside).&amp;nbsp; For example, the great cod fishery off of the Grand Banks that fed Europe for centuries has now disappeared, and other fishery stocks worldwide are crashing - to be &amp;quot;replaced&amp;quot; by &amp;quot;farmed&amp;quot; fish that are fed to a substantial degree by catching and grinding up fish stocks that humans prefer not to consume directly, and in part by fish firms that are established by destroying the mangroves that are estuaries to various fisheries.&amp;nbsp; The same is true of the replacement of vast tracts of tropical forests with soybeans or oil palm plantations, with the rapid increase in atmospheric CO2 (and attendant risks to climate) and with the correspondly geolologically rapid increases in ocean acidification (and threats to plankton, corals and shellfish).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While populations in the developed economies are now relatively stable, demand from our markets (as well as the burgeoning developing markets) continues to strip out unowned (or mismanaged &amp;quot;public&amp;quot;) resources from the oceans or undeveloped countries, aided by kleptocratic elites who are happy to steal from the peoples they supposedly represent in order to line their own pockets.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As Dan points out,&amp;nbsp;property rights failures in poorer nations contributes to population growth there by delaying the demographic transitions that we have experienced.&amp;nbsp; Developed economies face similar problems with respect to &amp;quot;public&amp;quot;, state-owned&amp;nbsp;lands, for which rent-seeking by and sweet deals to insiders are enduring problems and sources of politcal conflict (as markets cannot work to allocate resources).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dan states that the stunningly rapid growth of human populations from the Renaissance to the present (6+ billion now expected to nearly double again soon)&amp;nbsp;&amp;quot;actually represents the rise of capitalism and capital development ... [and]&amp;nbsp; shows ... the stunning capacity of freedom to provide for the whole world.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; While partly correct, this misses completely the question of our massive impact, within a very short period of geological time, on the environment in which we evolved over millions of years, the fact this has occurred because&amp;nbsp;clear and enforceable property rights have not been created in many of the resources that have been consumed, and the corollary fact that we&amp;nbsp;continue to lack the ability to manage our impact on our endowment of natural resources.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The market clearly does&amp;nbsp;NOT send accurate pricing signals with respect to goods that are unowned or ineffectively owned; these goods are either unpriced or underpriced, so the effect is overconsumption until the point that the resource is greatly degraded, at which point attention is turned to the next unowned resource. Thus, human populations are responding to rather imperfect market signals.&amp;nbsp; And where resources are unowned, individuals and groups with differing values and desires cannot adjust or realize those desires by means of private, market transactions.&amp;nbsp; As a result, we are seeing&amp;nbsp;a&amp;nbsp;recourse to the public and political arenas -&amp;nbsp;and the inevitable discordant debates - as various parties seek to use either moral suasion or the levers of government (locally, nationally and internationally) to advance what they consider to be their own interests.&amp;nbsp; (Of course, in a &amp;quot;tragedy of the commons&amp;quot; situation, all resource users share an interest is the future availability of a resource; the difficulty is in the prisoners&amp;#39; dilemma negotiations at the primary user level about how to allocate short-term pain in the interest of long-term gains, compounded in the case of multinational resources by rent-seeking with each national participant.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A cynic may say that our ongoing assault on nature&amp;nbsp;is only &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot;,&amp;nbsp;presents no moral or philosophical issues and&amp;nbsp;that we hardly owe any responsibilities to &amp;quot;nature&amp;quot; or even &amp;quot;future generations&amp;quot; -&amp;nbsp; so let&amp;#39;s just all keep on partying, consuming for today, and patting ourselves on the back at how marvelous our market systems are.&amp;nbsp; And that we should keep on hurling invective at those evil &amp;quot;enviros&amp;quot; who want to crash the party and drag us all back to the Stone Age.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps I suffer from a want of sufficient cynicism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;TT&lt;/p&gt;
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