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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>TT`s Lost in Tokyo : corporations</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/corporations/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: corporations</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>"Clear-sighted" panic; the role of the corporation in the tragedy of the commons</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/31/quot-clear-sighted-quot-panic-the-role-of-the-corporation-in-the-tragedy-of-the-commons.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:00:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:246367</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=246367</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=246367</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/31/quot-clear-sighted-quot-panic-the-role-of-the-corporation-in-the-tragedy-of-the-commons.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;This is my fourth follow-up post to  &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/29/grist-and-the-tragedy-of-the-panicked-enviro-stop-and-think-about-whether-resources-are-owned-and-protected.aspx"&gt;Grist and the tragedy of the panicked enviro&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;,
where I try to clarify the institutional frameworks for understanding
and addressing resource problems, in response to confusion in comments
by others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is my &lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/article/2009-08-23-the-fallacy-of-climate-activism/#c223562"&gt;most recent comment&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Cyberfarer, thank you for your response [&lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/article/2009-08-23-the-fallacy-of-climate-activism/#c222972"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;], which is well-intentioned, but both perceptive and blind.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;First,
I see you`ve adopted a page from the climate &amp;quot;skeptics&amp;quot; playbook, by
applying the sefl-deceptive ad hominem device of labelling those you
disagree with as &amp;quot;true believers&amp;quot; in something.&amp;nbsp; This is a partisan
tactic that lets you treat others as enemies, and spares you from the
trouble of listening to them, trying to figure out what they`re saying
and responding the them, as opposed to a black and white strawman that you`ve conjured
up.&amp;nbsp; Congratulations on mirroring those whom you dislike most.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Second,
with all of your clear thinking, like Mr. Sacks, you offer us no
practical advice, just reasons for despair.&amp;nbsp; Lezlie, who follows you,
at least provides an agenda.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Third, of course, you`ve got me all
wrong; I`m not an ideologue, a &amp;quot;true believer&amp;quot; or even an apologist of
any kind the status quo; I`m a concerned human being, a fellow
traveller on Plante Earth and a pragmatist. You`ve been misreading me,
and certainly have not troubled yourself to consider the very pragmatic
analytical tools that I`ve offered to help you figure how to diagnose
and attack the problems that you perceive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;And what have I
offered? Nothing more or less than the rather obvious observations that
resources that are not owned and managed - whether privately or by
groups (including, obviously, by communities and native peoples) tend
to be trashed, and that similar problems are experienced where
resources are formally &amp;quot;owned&amp;quot; by governments but essentially used by
elites for their own benefit. I have NOT argued that private property
is the cure-all, nor have I condoned theft nor the manipulation of
governments by elites. In fact, I have rather clearly pointed out that
both theft and misuse of governemtn have been and remain very much a
part of the problem.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Fourth, you continue to misunderstand the
nature of our problems, and want to lay everything at the foot of
&amp;quot;capitalism&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;markets&amp;quot;, when the real problem is either the lack of
ownership of resources or government fiat/theft.&amp;nbsp; Western capitalism is
not responsible for extinctions and environmental devastation that
preceded capitalism and markets, or that has taken place under
state-directed economies. This gets old, but look at the prior
extinctions, messes of the former USSR (and at the Aral Sea today),
Hanford and Rocky Flats, Haiti, and China.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Sure, the consumer and
industrial supply demands of markets (not merely in the West) continue
to pull chains of destruction elsewhere in the world, but destruction
only occurs with respect to resources that are not owned and protected
(or where theft by those more pwerful occurs). Tofu and meat eaters
alike are indirectly responsible for rainforest destruction, mainly
because governments &amp;quot;own&amp;quot; most the rain forests and don`t prefer to
protect native title wher it is recognized, so the conversion of such
land into soybeans (or palm oil to feed government-mandated demands for
biofuels) continues.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;In any case, is it more effective to wail
about the evilness of corporations that compete to provide us ever more
cheaply things that we choose to buy, or to demand better property
rights protection abroad, pay closer attention to where our food comes
from and end domestic mandates that drive destruction? You`re welcome
to your rants against true believers like me, but I`m personally more
disposed towards trying to be practically effective.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Fifth, you
are very right to criticize corporations; Mr. Sacks has had a history
of doing that. Not only do I agree with much of his analysis (which he has not provided here), but I`ve devoted a fair amount of time to examining the
entanglement of corporations and government:
&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=limited"&gt;http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=limited&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Our
state governments were wrong to get into competition with each other to
grant corprate status to investor-owned enterprises, in exchange for
fees and later taxes. Corporate status freed investors from down-side
risk, by limiting liaibility to the amount of capital contributed. This
incentivized: investors to encourage corproations to embark on risky
activities that shifted costs to innocent third parties; the
concentration of wealth in corporations; the corruption of the court
system that once protected third parties from damages caused by others
(by replacing strict liaibility with balancing tests); and the ensuing
battle - that you noted - over legislatures to regulate corporations
(and courts to enforce regulations). Is there a takeaway on this. other
than continuing to fight political battles to block legislative sweet
deals and theft, including working to revise our corporate order?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Anyway, I wish you well in your tirades.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=246367" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/tragedy+of+commons/default.aspx">tragedy of commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/corporations/default.aspx">corporations</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/theft/default.aspx">theft</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/limited+laibility/default.aspx">limited laibility</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/self-deception/default.aspx">self-deception</category></item><item><title>[Update] Rot at the Core:  Rob Bradley at "free market" MasterResource blog shows his true colors as a rent-seeker for fossil fuels</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/03/11/rot-at-the-core-rob-bradley-at-quot-free-market-quot-masterresource-blog-shows-his-true-colors-as-a-rent-seeker-for-fossil-fuels.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:27:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:101258</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>16</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=101258</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=101258</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/03/11/rot-at-the-core-rob-bradley-at-quot-free-market-quot-masterresource-blog-shows-his-true-colors-as-a-rent-seeker-for-fossil-fuels.aspx#comments</comments><description>[Update: I`ve added more background on Exxon, &amp;quot;Malthusians&amp;quot; and productive engagement.] How has Rob Bradley showed his hand? By shutting down reasoned (if challenging) debate at his blog, in the face of comments that were certainly more &amp;quot;free...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/03/11/rot-at-the-core-rob-bradley-at-quot-free-market-quot-masterresource-blog-shows-his-true-colors-as-a-rent-seeker-for-fossil-fuels.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=101258" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/corporations/default.aspx">corporations</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate+change/default.aspx">climate change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Knappenberger/default.aspx">Knappenberger</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Rob+Bradley/default.aspx">Rob Bradley</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Exxon/default.aspx">Exxon</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Tom+Tanton/default.aspx">Tom Tanton</category></item><item><title>Dialogue with Stephan Kinsella on the state grant to shareholders of limited liability for corporate torts - a gift that keeps on giving</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/12/22/the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving-the-state-grant-to-shareholders-of-limited-liablity-for-torts-committed-by-corporations-dialogue-with-stephan-kinsella.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:53:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:72979</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><description>Stephan Kinsella , in two recent blog posts, Left-Libertarians on Corporations &amp;quot;Expropriating the Efforts of Stakeholders&amp;quot; and Corporations and Limited Liability for Torts , kindly provided a forum to discuss the issue of the limited liability...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/12/22/the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving-the-state-grant-to-shareholders-of-limited-liablity-for-torts-committed-by-corporations-dialogue-with-stephan-kinsella.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=72979" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/enviros/default.aspx">enviros</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/corporations/default.aspx">corporations</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/state+action/default.aspx">state action</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/limited+liability/default.aspx">limited liability</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/torts/default.aspx">torts</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Kinsella/default.aspx">Kinsella</category></item><item><title>Legal resources on state-created limited liability for shareholders, consequences and reform</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/12/16/legal-resources-on-state-created-limited-liability-for-shareholders-consequences-and-reform.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:25:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:71631</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><description>Here, in chronological order, are some legal resources on state-created limited liability for shareholders: history, alternatives, consequences and reform: Christopher D. Stone, &amp;quot;The Place of Enterprise Liability in the Control of Corporate Conduct&amp;quot;...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/12/16/legal-resources-on-state-created-limited-liability-for-shareholders-consequences-and-reform.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=71631" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/state/default.aspx">state</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/corporations/default.aspx">corporations</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/limited+liability/default.aspx">limited liability</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/torts/default.aspx">torts</category></item><item><title>[Revised] Corporations, the state, limited liaibility and rent-seeking:  Some criticisms of Huebert and Block's criticisms of Long</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/11/26/corporations-amp-the-state-some-criticisms-of-huebert-and-block-s-criticisms-of-long.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:35:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:67356</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><description>[Update: Items 2 &amp;amp; 3 revised and an item 4 added.] J.H. Huebert and Walter Block have posted a critique of Roderick Long &amp;#39;s recent Cato essay . Allow me to make a few comments: 1. Huebert and Long argue that &amp;quot;There Is No Such Thing as Corporate...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/11/26/corporations-amp-the-state-some-criticisms-of-huebert-and-block-s-criticisms-of-long.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=67356" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/rent-seeking/default.aspx">rent-seeking</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/corporations/default.aspx">corporations</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Block/default.aspx">Block</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Roderick+Long/default.aspx">Roderick Long</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Huebert/default.aspx">Huebert</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/limited+liability/default.aspx">limited liability</category></item><item><title>Bali:  Murdoch &amp; 149 Other Top Vile Collectivists/Capitalists Call for Global Poverty ...</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/12/04/murdoch-amp-149-other-top-vile-collectivists-capitalists-call-for-global-poverty.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:19:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:4989</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>8</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=4989</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=4989</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/12/04/murdoch-amp-149-other-top-vile-collectivists-capitalists-call-for-global-poverty.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;and&amp;nbsp;for a&amp;nbsp;legally binding UN framework to tackle climate change.&amp;nbsp; &lt;strong&gt;Just who are these vile collectivists, red enviros, misanthropes,&amp;nbsp;and others caught up in the totally groundless AGW hysteria?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="FONT-SIZE:10.5pt;FONT-FAMILY:Century;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:&amp;#39;Times New Roman&amp;#39;;mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:JA;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA;"&gt;[Snark Alert!]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let&amp;#39;s go to FOX News - which headlines &lt;strong&gt;&amp;quot;Top Corporations Demand Action on Global Warming&amp;quot;&lt;/strong&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/strong&gt;Fox says that&amp;nbsp;&amp;quot;more than 150 global companies &amp;mdash; worth nearly $4 trillion in market capitalization &amp;mdash; have signed a petition urging &amp;quot;strong, early action on climate change&amp;quot;&amp;quot;.&amp;nbsp; Amazingly, the news report ends with a disclainer:&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;FOXNews.com is owned and operated by News Corporation, which is among the signatories of the Bali Communiqu&amp;eacute;.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314224,00.html"&gt;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314224,00.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just what the heck is going on?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On&amp;nbsp;November 30,&amp;nbsp;UK and EU Corporate Leaders Groups on Climate Change (spearheaded by the Prince of Wales) published &lt;strong&gt;the &amp;quot;Bali Communiqu&amp;eacute;&amp;quot;, by which leaders of 150 global companies&amp;nbsp;encouraged world leaders to work for a comprehensive, legally binding United Nations framework to tackle climate change.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Bali Communiqu&amp;eacute; calls for:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;a comprehensive, legally binding United Nations framework to tackle climate change&amp;quot;;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;emission reduction targets to be guided primarily by science&amp;quot;;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;those countries that have already industrialised to make the greatest effort&amp;quot;; and&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&amp;quot;world leaders to seize the window of opportunity and agree a work plan of negotiations to ensure an agreement can come into force post 2012 (when the existing Kyoto Protocol expires)&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p class="bodytext"&gt;The &lt;strong&gt;vile collectivists&lt;/strong&gt; provided the following business case:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p class="bodytext"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&amp;quot;The scientific evidence is now overwhelming. Climate change presents very serious global social, environmental and economic risks and it demands an urgent global response. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="bodytext"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&amp;quot;As business leaders, it is our belief that the benefits of strong, early action on climate change outweigh the costs of not acting:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="bodytext"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&amp;quot;The economic and geopolitical costs of unabated climate change could be very severe and globally disruptive. All countries and economies will be affected, but it will be the poorest countries that will suffer earliest and the most &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li class="bodytext"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The costs of action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in order to avoid the worst impacts of climate change are manageable, especially if guided by a common international vision &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li class="bodytext"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Each year we delay action to control global emissions increases the risk of unavoidable consequences that will likely necessitate even steeper reductions in the future, causing potentially greater economic, environmental and social disruption. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li class="bodytext"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The shift to a low-carbon economy will create significant business opportunities. New markets for low carbon technologies and products, worth billions of dollars, will be created if the world acts on the scale required &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p class="bodytext"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&amp;quot;In summary, we believe that tackling climate change is the pro-growth strategy. Ignoring it will ultimately undermine economic growth.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="bodytext"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&amp;quot;It is our view that a sufficiently ambitious, international and comprehensive legally-binding United Nations agreement to reduce greenhouse gas emissions will provide business with the certainty it needs to scale up global investment in low-carbon technologies. We believe that an enhanced and extended carbon market needs to be part of this framework as it offers the necessary flexibility, allows for a cost-effective transition and provides financial support to developing countries.&amp;quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p class="bodytext"&gt;Companies supporting the communiqu&amp;eacute; included the following:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="bodytext"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;US-based: Coca-Cola, Dupont, Gap, GE, Johnson and Johnson, Nike, Pacific Gas and Electric, Sun Microsystems and United Technologies. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="bodytext"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;European-based:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Anglo-American, British Airways, F&amp;amp;C Asset Management, Ferrovial, Nestle, Nokia, Rolls Royce, Shell, Tesco, Virgin and Volkswagen.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="bodytext"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Australian-based: Insurance Australia Group, Macquarie, National Australia Bank, News Corporation and Westpac. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="bodytext"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Chinese:&amp;nbsp;Shanghai Electric, Zhufeng Technology and Suntech.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="bodytext"&gt;More here: &lt;a href="http://www.balicommunique.com/communique.html"&gt;http://www.balicommunique.com/communique.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="bodytext"&gt;Well,&lt;strong&gt; it&amp;#39;s clear that they are all deluded and don&amp;#39;t care about impoverishing the rest of the world.&amp;nbsp; They certainly know nothing about science, economics or the potential difficulties that their companies might confront &lt;/strong&gt;in facing the challenges that they allege.&amp;nbsp; They&amp;#39;re&amp;nbsp;just sycophants and fellow-travellers of the evil, misanthropic &amp;quot;watermelon&amp;quot; enviros.&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://mises.com/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/12/17/holiday-joy-quot-watermelons-quot-roasting-on-an-open-pyre.aspx"&gt;http://mises.com/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/12/17/holiday-joy-quot-watermelons-quot-roasting-on-an-open-pyre.aspx&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="bodytext"&gt;&amp;nbsp;In other words, there&amp;#39;s nothing here folks; move along.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=4989" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate/default.aspx">climate</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/enviros/default.aspx">enviros</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/corporations/default.aspx">corporations</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Kyoto/default.aspx">Kyoto</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/bali/default.aspx">bali</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/CO2/default.aspx">CO2</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/watermelons/default.aspx">watermelons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Murdoch/default.aspx">Murdoch</category></item><item><title>Fighting over the wheel of government</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/10/16/fighting-over-the-wheel-of-government.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:43:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:1650</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>8</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=1650</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=1650</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/10/16/fighting-over-the-wheel-of-government.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[update below]&amp;nbsp; Fundamentalist states &lt;a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/007299.asp#comments"&gt;on an interesting&amp;nbsp;thread&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Most Americans are outright socialists; the rest are socialist sympathizers. They believe that only the government can save them from capitalists.&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In response, I&amp;nbsp;raised the following questions:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you think &lt;b&gt;Jefferson&lt;/b&gt; was wrong when he urged:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;quot;I hope we shall crush ... in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;--Thomas Jefferson to George Logan, 1816.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff5.htm"&gt;http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff5.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The concentrated wealth and long lives of corporations have long made them a special and powerful class of rent-seekers, eliminating liability for shareholders and vanquishing restrictions on life and acceptable business activities. Are citizens wrong to seek to counterbalance corporations, using in part the very tool of government that corporations have effectively seized?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let me add here the comment that while ultimately the way forward lies in hacking back government, one cannot deny that rent-seeking by corporations has been and continues to be a major factor in politicizing and hardening conflicts that could otherwise be resolved privately.&amp;nbsp; While bashing &amp;quot;socialists&amp;quot;,&amp;nbsp;&amp;quot;enviros&amp;quot; and other citizens groups, it behooves us&amp;nbsp;not to forget the 800 lb. gorilla in the room.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[update in response to comments:]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree completely that the best way to lessen rent-seeking is to reduce the rents that are available through government.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This implies smaller government, but also suggests that we can make progress by focussing on breathing more life into the federalist structure of power-sharing with the states, the checks and balances between the branches of government, by limiting the ability of either political party to get a local lock on power by gerrymandering.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I appreciate the agreement that citizens are not wrong to seek to counterbalance corporations, but you&amp;#39;ve missed a point.&amp;nbsp; Corporations are the 800 lb. gorilla not because of ongoing corporate welfare - that&amp;#39;s simply the effect.&amp;nbsp; Their powerful advantages over citizens in influencing government comes from their size and financial power, which derives from &lt;b&gt;legislative grants of unlimited life, unlimited purposes and limited liability for their investors&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;nbsp; To reduce government, some effort must be made to moderate these advantages.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=1650" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/rent-seeking/default.aspx">rent-seeking</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/enviros/default.aspx">enviros</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/government/default.aspx">government</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/corporations/default.aspx">corporations</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/socialists/default.aspx">socialists</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/limited+liability/default.aspx">limited liability</category></item></channel></rss>