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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>TT`s Lost in Tokyo : commons</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: commons</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Third-World land theft and the tragedy of the commons: Mother Jones ponders, "Conservation: Indigenous people's enemy No. 1?" </title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/11/26/theft-and-the-tragedy-of-the-commons-mother-jones-ponders-quot-conservation-indigenous-people-s-enemy-no-1-quot.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:50:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:272899</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=272899</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=272899</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/11/26/theft-and-the-tragedy-of-the-commons-mother-jones-ponders-quot-conservation-indigenous-people-s-enemy-no-1-quot.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;The &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;Mother Jones&lt;/span&gt; magazine has been running a series of on-line articles which exemplify how progressives are exploring the ways in which various parts of the environmental/conservation agenda in developing countries have been counterproductive, adversely affected indigenous peoples, favored Western companies and played into the hands of local elites.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The articles are worth reviewing, as they reveal that enviros are starting to realize that protecting nature in the developing world requires protecting the property rights of indigenous communities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One such article, by &lt;b&gt;Mark Dowie&lt;/b&gt;, appeared in Mother Jones` on-line edition on November&amp;nbsp; 2. The headline reads, &lt;a href="http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2009/11/conservation-indigenous-peoples-enemy-no-1"&gt;&amp;quot;Conservation: Indigenous people&amp;#39;s enemy No. 1?&amp;quot;&lt;/a&gt;, the sub-header states, &lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;For centuries we&amp;#39;ve displaced people to save nature. A huge project in Africa offers a chance to turn that around.&amp;quot; &lt;/i&gt;Dowie, an award-winning investigative journalist, is an author of several books published by the MIT Press, including his most recent, &lt;a href="http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&amp;amp;tid=11679"&gt;Conservation Refugees - The Hundred-Year Conflict between Global Conservation and Native Peoples&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;Dowie`s thesis is that, until recently, conservationists have typically taken the approach that the best way to preserve tropical forests and other wild ecosystems, the right approach was to establish pristine reserves from which people were excluded, and describes the change in strategy in the context of a new series of parks that the government in Gabon, central Africa. Dowie notes that the traditional approach - of establishing government-owned and -administered parks - has a long, and long-forgotten history in the US (emphasis added):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;But there was another, more historically significant opportunity
facing Gabon that day, one that Fay merely hinted at in his
presentation and Sanderson didn&amp;#39;t mention at all. It was the
opportunity their own industry, transnational conservation, had in
Gabon: to d&lt;b&gt;o right by the thousands of tribal people living inside
those emerald patches, by allowing them to remain in their homelands
and participate directly in the stewardship and management of the new
parks. They would then not be passive &amp;quot;stakeholders&amp;quot; relocated to the
margins of the park, the typical fate of indigenous peoples who find
themselves in conservation &amp;quot;hot spots,&amp;quot; but equal players in the
complex and challenging process of defending biological diversity. &lt;/b&gt;The
goal of such a policy would be the concurrent preservation of nature
and culture; Gabon just might come to signify a happy ending of &lt;b&gt;a
tense, century-long conflict between global environmentalism and native
people, millions of whom have been &lt;a href="http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2009/11/gms-money-trees"&gt;displaced&lt;/a&gt; from traditional homelands in the interest of conservation.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;It&amp;#39;s a century-long story of violence and abuse that began in Yosemite Valley in the mid 19th century,
when the Ahwahneechee band of Miwoks were chased about, caught on, then
forcefully expelled from a landscape they had cultivated for about 200
generations. Militias like the vicious Mariposa Battalion were sent
into Yosemite
to burn acorn caches and rout native people from remote reaches of the
Valley.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;After the militias came the nature romantics who mythologized
the vacated valley as the wilderness it never was, then lobbied state
and federal governments to create a national park. They got their wish
in 1890, and the remaining Indians were removed &lt;/b&gt;from the area, with a
few allowed to remain temporarily, as menial laborers in a segregated
village of 20-by-20-foot shacks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Yosemite&amp;#39;s Indian policy spread to Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, Mesa Verde,
Mount Ranier, Zion, Glacier, Everglades, and Olympic National Parks,
all of which expelled thousands of tribal people from their homes and
hunting grounds so the new parks could remain in an undisturbed &amp;quot;state
of nature.&amp;quot; Three hundred Shoshone
Indians were killed in a single day during the expulsion from
Yellowstone. This was the birth of what would come to be known,
worldwide, as the Yosemite model of wildlife conservation. In Africa
it would be renamed &amp;quot;fortress conservation,&amp;quot; and like so many other
products from the North, the model would be exported with vigor to all
other continents. ...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Teddy Roosevelt also proclaimed that &amp;quot;the rude, fierce settler who
drives the savage from the land lays all civilized mankind under a debt
to him&amp;hellip; It is of incalculable importance that America,
Australia, and Siberia should pass out of the hands of their red,
black, and yellow aboriginal owners and become the heritage of the
dominant world races.&amp;quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What indigenous peoples in their right minds would not be opposed to the complicity of conservationists in continuing the process of the older colonial theft of their lands, even if the purpose was to &amp;quot;save&amp;quot; the land?&amp;nbsp; I won`t explore this now, but the record  of &amp;quot;development&amp;quot; is replete with many examples - old and new - of such kinds of theft, with local ownership replaced by government ownership and a resulting &amp;quot;tragedy of the commons&amp;quot;-type of race to plunder &amp;quot;government&amp;quot; lands for valuable resources - oil and gas, minerals and timber.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dowie notes the natural rise of indigenous opposition to &amp;quot;conservation&amp;quot; projects:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;One consequence of creating a few million conservation refugees
around the world has been &lt;b&gt;the emergence of a vast and surprisingly
powerful movement of communities that have proven themselves stewards
of nature (otherwise conservationists would have no interest in their
land), but were turned by circumstance into self-described &amp;quot;enemies of
conservation.&lt;/b&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;In early 2004, a United Nations
meeting was convened for the ninth year in a row to push for passage of
a resolution protecting the territorial and human rights of indigenous
peoples. During the meeting, one indigenous delegate rose to state that
extractive industries, while still a serious threat to their welfare
and cultural integrity, were no longer the main antagonist of native
cultures. Their new and biggest enemy, she said, was &amp;quot;conservation.&amp;quot;
Later that spring, at a meeting in Vancouver, British Columbia,
of the International Forum on Indigenous Mapping, all 200 delegates
signed a declaration stating that &amp;quot;conservation has become the number
one threat to indigenous territories.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Then in February 2008, representatives of the International
Indigenous Forum on Biodiversity (IIFB) walked out of a Convention on
Biological Diversity (CBD) annual meeting, condemning the convention
for ignoring their interests. &amp;quot;We found ourselves marginalized and
without opportunity to take the floor and express our views,&amp;quot; read
their statement. &amp;quot;None of our recommendations were included in [the
meeting&amp;#39;s report]. So we have decided to leave this process&amp;hellip;&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;These are all rhetorical jabs, of course, and perhaps not entirely
accurate or fair. But they are based on fact and driven by experience,
and have shaken the international conservation community. So have a
spate of critical studies and articles calling international
conservationists to task for their historical mistreatment of
indigenous peoples.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Mother Jones article looks like an excerpt from Dowie`s new book, which MIT describes as follows:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;span class="bodycopy"&gt;Since 1900, more than 108,000 officially
protected conservation areas have been established worldwide, largely
at the urging of five international conservation organizations. About
half of these areas were occupied or regularly used by indigenous
peoples. Millions who had been living sustainably on their land for
generations were displaced in the interests of conservation. In &lt;i&gt;Conservation Refugees,&lt;/i&gt; Mark Dowie tells this story.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is a &amp;quot;good guy vs. good guy&amp;quot; story, Dowie writes; the indigenous
peoples&amp;rsquo; movement and conservation organizations have a vital common
goal&amp;mdash;to protect biological diversity&amp;mdash;and could work effectively and
powerfully together to protect the planet and preserve species and
ecosystem diversity. Yet for more than a hundred years, these two
forces have been at odds. The result: thousands of unmanageable
protected areas and native peoples reduced to poaching and trespassing
on their ancestral lands or &amp;quot;assimilated&amp;quot; but permanently indentured on
the lowest rungs of the economy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="bodycopy"&gt;The punch line of the book summary? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;span class="bodycopy"&gt;When conservationists and native peoples
acknowledge the interdependence of biodiversity conservation and
cultural survival, Dowie writes, they can together create a new and
much more effective paradigm for conservation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class="bodycopy"&gt;I am quite sympathetic with Dowie`s thinking, but it seems to me that he could make us of a little more intellectual framework, such as the Austrian awareness of the frequently negative role played by the state and the usefulness of property rights (such as noted in &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/24/capitalism-the-destructive-exploitation-of-the-amazon-and-the-tragedy-of-the-government-owned-commons.aspx"&gt;this earlier post about the destruction of the Amazon&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=ostrom"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Elinor Ostrom&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;`s research into successful management of open-access, common-pool resources by communities, including natives.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I left the following comments for Dowie at Mother Jones:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div class="content"&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Mark, great article. It`s good to hear
that the broader conservation community is waking up, but groups like
Survival International have always tried to protect indigenous
peoples`s rights.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;I`m afraid the headline is a bit of a distraction, because of course
the broader development effort as a whole has been much more
destructive, by even more widely putting power into the hands on
central elites, who often behaved kleptocratically.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Regardless of the broader background, it`s surprising that you
didn`t see fit to link your topic to the whole problem of the &amp;quot;tragedy
of the commons&amp;quot;, which is often tied to the nationalization of
resources, which deprives users of any control over the resources they
depend on. Elinor Ostrom has extensively studied this problem in
developing countries and elsewhere, and was awarded the Nobel Prize in
economics precisely for pointing out how &amp;quot;government&amp;quot; is often the
problem and not the solution:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/controlpanel/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=ostrom" title="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=ostrom"&gt;http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=ostrom&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I commend this effort by Dowie, and note some other interesting articles at Mother Jones:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div style="padding-left:30px;" class="content"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2009/11/gms-money-trees"&gt;GM&amp;#39;s Rainforest Racket:  People with some of the world&amp;#39;s smallest carbon footprints are being displaced&amp;mdash;so their forests can become offsets.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href="http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2009/11/better-redd-dead"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div style="padding-left:30px;" class="content"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div style="padding-left:30px;" class="content"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2009/11/better-redd-dead"&gt;Better REDD Than Dead: The byzantine politics of paying countries to save trees.&lt;/a&gt;cial-reports/2009/11/climate-countdown&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Our best chance to fix global warming begins on December 7. Tick. Tick. Tick.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=272899" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/development/default.aspx">development</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/ostrom/default.aspx">ostrom</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Indians/default.aspx">Indians</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/theft/default.aspx">theft</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Mark+Dowie/default.aspx">Mark Dowie</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/conservation/default.aspx">conservation</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/indigenous/default.aspx">indigenous</category></item><item><title>A few more comments to John Quiggin on climate, libertarian principles and the enclosure of the commons</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/11/04/a-few-more-comments-to-john-quiggin-on-climate-and-libertarian-principles.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:41:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:265879</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=265879</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=265879</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/11/04/a-few-more-comments-to-john-quiggin-on-climate-and-libertarian-principles.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;I note first that I am reminded by a pithy comment from someone else that, despite the length of &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/11/04/john-quiggin-plays-pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey-with-quot-libertarians-and-delusionism-quot.aspx"&gt;my previous post addressing &lt;b&gt;John Quiggin&lt;/b&gt;`s post on libertarian delusion&lt;/a&gt;, sometimes less is more. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://ozrisk.net/2007/10/09/bank-liquidity-management/#comment-28286"&gt;Writes commenter &amp;quot;ABOM&amp;quot;,&lt;/a&gt; in a comment made elsewhere and linked back in to Quiggin`s thread (done for the purported reason that Quiggin was deleting some of ABOM`s comments) (emphasis added):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;I found it &lt;b&gt;ironic that JQ (an economist) was using a scientific
hypothesis (climate change) as a litmus test to determine whether
Austrians were &amp;ldquo;serious&amp;rdquo; economists.&lt;/b&gt; JQ (1) &lt;b&gt;assumes he knows about
climate science&lt;/b&gt; (he doesn&amp;rsquo;t) (2) &lt;b&gt;assumes anyone who questions climate
science is mad&lt;/b&gt; (they may not be) (3) &lt;b&gt;thinks anyone who questions the
govt&amp;rsquo;s solutions to the &amp;ldquo;problem&amp;rdquo; is also mad&lt;/b&gt; (even if you accept the
science, govt may not be the answer &amp;ndash; raising interest rates to their
&amp;lsquo;natural&amp;rsquo; level and a simple &amp;ldquo;depression&amp;rdquo; in consumption may be a
simpler solution) (4) isn&amp;rsquo;t allowing an open debate (he keeps censoring
me for some bizarre reason) and (5) to top it off accuses Austrians of
being part time scientists &amp;ndash; when he is the King of Part Time Amateur
Science ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Being verbose, this and a review of Quiggin`s post prompts me to write more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I`m not sure I agree with ABOM`s initial comment; while Quiggin &lt;i&gt;might &lt;/i&gt;be implicitly using Austrian`s behavior regarding climate change to question whether they are &amp;quot;serious&amp;quot; economists, more straightforwardly he`s questioning why on climate they seem not to care to show it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I failed to address the following points from John:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;1. &amp;nbsp; &amp;quot; it seems clear that, if mainstream climate science is correct,
neither anarcho-capitalism nor paleolibertarianism can be sustained.
The problem with anarcho-capitalism and other views where property
rights are supposed to emerge, and be defended, spontaneously, and
without a state is obvious. If states do not create systems of rights
to carbon emissions, the only alternatives are to do nothing, and let
global ecosystems collapse, or to posit that every person on the planet
has right to coerce any other person not to emit CO2 into the
atmosphere.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;First, the alternatives to states creating systems of rights
to carbon emissions (or imposing carbon taxes, funding energy alternatives etc.) are NOT simply to do nothing, or to assume that all individuals will be left to try to coerce everyone else. While I agree that an-caps typically do not stress the desirability of undoing statist actions that feed into the climate problem, of course this is something which can and should be done, as I have tried to point out. And there are many voluntary and organized responses now underway that address climate change: organizations that cater to people (and firms) who want to track and lower their carbon footprint or buy offsets, firms that are competing to monitor and control their carbon footprint, both to lower costs and to stay ahead of competitors in the marketplace for consumer favor, voluntary corporate-oriented carbon trading/offset programs underway, insurance companies and others projecting and publicizing risks, etc. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Ancaps and other libertarians may be wrong, but they essentially conclude that the large information and transaction costs that society faces in dealing with climate change cannot be overcome by fiat, which clearly is not simple. Using government typically brings a whole host of problems. Viz., the knowledge problem, rent-seeking and -farming, bureaucratic mal-incentives, &amp;amp; enforcement.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt; 2.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;For paleolibertarians, the fact that property rights must
be produced by a new global agreement, rather than being the inherited
&amp;lsquo;peculiar institutions&amp;rsquo; of particular societies seems equally
problematic.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Yes. But there`s also&amp;nbsp; the problem of justice in the original
allocation. Why should the new property rights in the atmosphere be allocated to corporations, as opposed to citizens?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;3.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;For more moderate libertarians, who accept in principle that
property rights are derived from the state, I think the problem is more
that the creation of a large new class of property rights brings them
face to face with features of their model that are generally buried in
a near-mythical past.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;&amp;quot;To start with, there&amp;rsquo;s the problem of justice in the original
allocation. Until now, people [in] developed countries have been
appropriating the assimilative capacity of the atmosphere as if there
was always &amp;ldquo;enough and as good&amp;rdquo; left over. Now that it&amp;rsquo;s obvious this
isn&amp;rsquo;t true, we need to go back and start from scratch, and this process
may involve offsetting compensation which effectively reassigns some
existing property rights.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;I don`t think moderate libertarians so much &amp;quot;accept in principle that
property rights are &lt;i&gt;derived from&lt;/i&gt; the state,&amp;quot; as they recognize that the state has codified, circumscribed and enforces such rights. Right now, there are simply NO &amp;quot;existing property rights&amp;quot; regarding climate, other than the shared right to exhaust CO2 (and other GHGs) into the atmosphere, and to engage in other activities that alter albedo. Starting from scratch in the sense you use it, especially the &amp;quot;compensation&amp;quot; aspect, means governments &lt;i&gt;taking &lt;/i&gt;property from some and giving it to others
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;4.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;Then there is the problem that the emissions rights we are talking
about are, typically time-limited and conditional. But if rights
created now by modern states have this property, it seems reasonable to
suppose that this has always been true, and therefore that existing
property rights may also be subject to state claims of eminent domain.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;quot;Property rights&amp;quot; are essentially a portfolio of formal and informal institutions that communities have devised, over long periods of trial and error. Most such &amp;quot;rights&amp;quot; - whether informal or state-recognized - are time-limited and conditional. That states have always and continue to alter, and take, property rights tells us nothing about the justice or efficacy of such actions - and you might have noticed that &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=ostrom"&gt;Elinor Ostrom&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;and the progressives (some of whom I quoted in &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/11/04/john-quiggin-plays-pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey-with-quot-libertarians-and-delusionism-quot.aspx"&gt;my prior post&lt;/a&gt;) who want to &amp;quot;take back the commons&amp;quot; argue very strongly about both. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Where our &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=fish"&gt;fisheries are collapsing&lt;/a&gt;, they are doing so chiefly because our governments have trampled native rights or community-developed practices in favor of bureaucratic management and the resulting tragedy of the commons. While the solution in such cases appears to be the re-creation of property rights that give fishermen a stake in preserving the resource they rely upon, such situations are hardly akin to the worldwide creation of CO2 emission rights, which present much more severe difficulties in allocating and enforcing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=265879" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Austrians/default.aspx">Austrians</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/ostrom/default.aspx">ostrom</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Enviro+Derangement+Syndrome/default.aspx">Enviro Derangement Syndrome</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate+change/default.aspx">climate change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/John+Quiggin/default.aspx">John Quiggin</category></item><item><title>John Quiggin plays Pin-the-tail-on-the-Donkey with "Libertarians and delusionism"</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/11/04/john-quiggin-plays-pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey-with-quot-libertarians-and-delusionism-quot.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:59:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:265713</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=265713</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=265713</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/11/04/john-quiggin-plays-pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey-with-quot-libertarians-and-delusionism-quot.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;John Quiggin&lt;/b&gt;, a left-leaning Australian economist and professor at the University of Queensland, has noted &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/10/30/the-road-not-taken-ii-austrians-strive-for-a-self-comforting-irrelevancy-on-climate-change-the-greatest-commons-problem-rent-seeking-game-of-our-age.aspx"&gt;my recent post&lt;/a&gt; on the penchant for bloggers
and readers at the Mises Blog to attack climate science - are &amp;quot;&lt;b&gt;almost universally committed to delusional views on climate science&lt;/b&gt;&amp;quot;, &lt;a href="http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2009/11/02/libertarians-and-delusionism/comment-page-2/#comments"&gt;as he puts it&lt;/a&gt; - though these are not words fairly put into my mouth.&amp;nbsp; Like me, though, Quiggin wonders why wonders why libertarians focus on climate science at the near-exclusion of policy discussions, since (1)  he sees &amp;quot;plenty of political opportunities to use climate change to attack  subsidies and other existing interventions&amp;quot; and (2) he supposes that the environmental movement`s widespread shift &amp;quot;from profound suspicion
of markets to enthusiastic support for market-based policies such as
carbon taxes and cap and trade&amp;quot; seems like a big win for libertarians.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Quiggin previously commented on &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/06/17/a-left-wing-economist-discusses-quot-libertarians-and-global-warming-quot.aspx"&gt;Libertarians and global warming&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; last June; this seems to be a follow up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Quiggins posits that Austrians/libertarians exhibit a &amp;quot;near-universal rejection of mainstream climate science,&amp;quot; and asserts that:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;we can draw one of only three conclusions&lt;br /&gt;
(a) Austrians/libertarians are characterized by delusional belief in
their own intellectual superiority, to the point where they think they
can produce an analysis of complex scientific problems superior to that
of actual scientists, in their spare time and with limited or no
scientific training in the relevant disciplines, reaching a startling
degree of unanimity for self-described &amp;ldquo;sceptics&amp;rdquo;&lt;br /&gt;
(b) Austrians/libertarians don&amp;rsquo;t understand their own theory and
falsely believe that, if mainstream climate science is right, their own
views must be wrong&lt;br /&gt;
(c) Austrians/libertarians do understand their own theory and correctly
believe that, if mainstream climate science is right, their own views
must be wrong&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;John concludes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;quot;Overall, though I, think that acceptance of the reality of climate
change would be good for libertarianism as a political movement. It
would kill off the most extreme and unappealing kinds of &lt;i&gt;a priori&lt;/i&gt;
logic-chopping, while promoting an appreciation of Hayekian arguments
about the power of market mechanisms. And the very fact of uncertainty
about climate change is a reminder of the fatality of conceits of
perfect knowledge.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While John asks a good question and reveals some appreciation of markets, it`s clear that he is still pretty much groping in the dark when it comes to understanding libertarians` concerns about climate policy, indeed, even as to libertarian aims and concerns generally. He also overlooks various cognitive/psychological factors that appear to be at play. Naturally, I appreciate the opportunity for discussion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. Before addressing his three possible conclusions, let me note that while &amp;quot;market-based policies such as
carbon taxes and cap and trade&amp;quot; may seem to John &amp;quot;like a big win for libertarians&amp;quot;, this is most definitely NOT the case for most libertarians in the context of climate change, as these &amp;quot;market-based policies&amp;quot; represent an enormous expansion of government that libertarians feel very strongly, based on past experience, will be profoundly porky, counterproductive and costly. In the face of the fight for favor in Washington and the choice of opaque cap-and-trade over a more open rebated carbon tax and other deregulatory options, there is good reason to believe that libertarians are right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. Regarding conclusion (a), let me first note that John reveals the self-same &amp;quot;conceit of perfect knowledge&amp;quot; that he accuses Austrians/libertarians of having: the &amp;quot;acceptance of reality of climate change&amp;quot; would undoubtedly be good for everyone, but just what is that reality, and how can a layman of any stripe confirm himself that climate is changing and that man is responsible? The very fact that this &amp;quot;reality&amp;quot; is nearly impossible to confirm personally (even over the course of a lifetime) means that even those whom John considers as having &amp;quot;accepted reality&amp;quot; have basically just adopted a frame of reference, on the basis of the consistency of the AGW frame with other previously established mental frames, a reliance on authority, peer-group acceptance, etc. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Reality&amp;quot; in this case inevitably, for most people, has very large personal and social components; accordingly, both &amp;quot;acceptance&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;skepticism&amp;quot; of it may look like a group belief, which may help to explain why it is possible to perceive &amp;quot;a startling
degree of unanimity&amp;quot; of views on climate science, the contents of such views varying by group. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for Austrians/libertarians, while I don`t think it is fair to conclude they (we) are characterized by delusional belief in
their own intellectual superiority, but that many do have a belief, not so much in the superiority of their intellect, but in the correctness of their views on political science and economics (this is common in other groups, of course). This may affect their views on climate science, for several reasons that I have noted to John previously, and may be related for some of them to his conclusions (b) and (c).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3. Concerning conclusions (b) and (c), these are both over-generalizations; libertarians are a heterogenous bunch. But if I may generalize myself, to me there appears no conflict whatsoever between Austrian views, which are primarily about interpersonal relations and the role of government, and climate science. &amp;quot;Mainstream science&amp;quot; has nothing to do with these views, so if Austrians are wrong about &amp;quot;mainstream climate science&amp;quot;, this does not imply that any Austrian views
must be wrong. So Quiggins` (c) is wrong.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Quiggins`(b) - that Austrians may not understand their own theory and
may falsely believe that, if mainstream climate science is right, their own
views must be wrong - may be right for &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; Austrians, but certainly not generally. Rather, what I suspect is going on is much more ordinary, as I previously noted to Quiggin as &lt;a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2008/06/15/libertarians-and-global-warming/#comment-244146"&gt;a comment on his related June post&lt;/a&gt;; that I need to repeat myself indicates that maybe John is having cognitive difficulties of his own (emphasis added):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;John, thanks for this piece. As a libertarian who believes that
climate change IS a problem, I share some of your puzzlement and have
done considerable commenting
on this issue [see &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Enviro+Derangement+Syndrome/default.aspx"&gt;this long list&lt;/a&gt;]. Allow me to offer a few thoughts on various factors at
work in the general libertarian resistance to taking government action
on climate change:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt; &amp;ndash; As &lt;b&gt;Chris Horner&lt;/b&gt; noted in your linked
piece, &lt;b&gt;many libertarians see &amp;ldquo;global warming [as] the bottomless well
of excuses for the relentless growth of Big Government.&amp;rdquo;&amp;nbsp; Even those who
agree that is &lt;span class="caps"&gt;AGW&lt;/span&gt;
is a serious problem are worried, for good reason, that government
approaches to climate change will be a train wreck &amp;ndash; in other words,
that the government &amp;ldquo;cure&amp;rdquo; will be worse than the problem.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;ndash;
Libertarians have in general drifted quite far from environmentalists.
Even though they still share a mistrust of big government,
environmentalists generally believe that &lt;span class="caps"&gt;MORE&lt;/span&gt;
government is the answer, while ignoring all of the problems associated
with inefficient bureaucratic management (witness the crashing of many
managed fisheries in the US), the manipulation of such managment to
benefit bureaucratic interests, special interests and insiders
(wildfire fighting budgets, fossil fuel and hard rock mining, etc.) and
the resultant and inescapable politicization of all disputes due to the
absence of private markets. &lt;b&gt;Libertarians see that socialized property
rights regimes can be just as &amp;ldquo;tragedy of the commons&amp;rdquo; ruinous as cases
where community or private solutions have not yet developed, and have
concluded that, without privatization, government involvement
inevitably expands. Thus, libertarians often see environmentalists as
simply another group fighting to expand government, and are hostile as
a result. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;ndash; &lt;b&gt;Libertarians are as subject to reflexive, partisan
position-taking as any one else. Because they are reflexively opposed
to government action, they find it easier to operate from a position of
skepticism in trying to bat down &lt;span class="caps"&gt;AGW&lt;/span&gt; scientific and economic arguments (and to slam the motives of those arguing that &lt;span class="caps"&gt;AGW&lt;/span&gt;
must be addressed by government) than to open-mindedly review the
evidence.&lt;/b&gt; This is a shame( but human), because&lt;b&gt; it blunts the libertarian
message in explaining what libertarians understand very well &amp;ndash; that
environmental problems arise when property rights over resources are
not clearly defined or enforceable, and also when governments
(mis)manage resources.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I`ve discussed a number of times how we all easily fall into partisan cognitive traps, as &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/04/17/nick-kristof-on-politics-why-we-conclude-that-i-m-right-and-you-re-evil.aspx"&gt;summarized here.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A related piece of the dynamic is that some libertarians may feel that if they agree that AGW may be a problem, that this will be taken - wrongly - by &lt;i&gt;others &lt;/i&gt;in the political arena as a conclusion that the libertarian message is no longer relevant.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4. Some support for these points can be seen in&lt;b&gt; Edwin Dolan`&lt;/b&gt;s 2006 paper, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/02/13/edwin-dolan-applying-the-lockean-framework-to-climate-change.aspx"&gt;Science, Public Policy and Global Warming: Rethinking the Market Liberal Position&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (Cato), in which Dolan suggests that many libertarian climate skeptics are acting quite as
if they are &amp;quot;conservatives&amp;quot; of the type condemned by &lt;b&gt;Friedrich Hayek&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;nbsp;
Dolan&amp;nbsp;cites Hayek&amp;rsquo;s 1960&amp;nbsp;essay, &amp;ldquo;Why I am Not a Conservative&amp;rdquo; (1960),
in which&amp;nbsp;Hayek identified the following&amp;nbsp;traits that distinguish
conservatism from market liberalism:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;bull; Habitual resistance to change, hence the term &amp;ldquo;conservative.&amp;rdquo;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;bull; Lack of understanding of spontaneous order as a guiding principle of economic life.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;bull; Use of state authority to protect established privileges against the forces of economic change.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;bull; Claim to superior wisdom based on self-arrogated superior quality in place of rational argument.&lt;br /&gt;&amp;bull; A propensity to reject scientific knowledge because of dislike of the consequences that seem to follow from it.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Further support is provided by J&lt;b&gt;onathan Adler&lt;/b&gt;, a libertarian law professor at Case Western who focusses on resource issues, and who has concluded that climate change is a serious concern, and that man is contributing to it. His February 2008 post, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://volokh.com/posts/1201968666.shtml"&gt;Climate Change, Cumulative Evidence, and Ideology&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (and the comment thread) is instructive:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;" class="firstinpost"&gt;&amp;quot;Almost every time I post something on climate
change policy, the comment thread quickly devolves into a debate over
the existence of antrhopogenic global warming at all. (See, for
instance, &lt;a href="http://volokh.com/posts/1201821183.shtml"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;
on &amp;quot;conservative&amp;quot; approaches to climate change policy.) I have largely
refused to engage in these discussions because I find them quite
unproductive. The same arguments are repeated ad nauseum, and no one is
convinced (if anyone even listens to what the other side is saying). ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;quot;Given my strong libertarian leanings, it would certainly be
ideologically convenient if the evidence for a human contribution to
climate change were less strong. Alas, I believe the preponderance of
evidence strongly supports the claim that anthropogenic emissions are
having an effect on the global climate, and that effect will increase
as greenhouse gases accumulate in the atmosphere. While I reject most
apocalyptic scenarios as unfounded or unduly speculative, I am
convinced that the human contribution to climate change will cause or
exacerbate significant problems in at least some parts of the world.
For instance, even a relatively modest warming over the coming decades
is very likely to have a meaningful effect on the timing and
distribution of precipitation and evaporation rates, which will, in
turn, have a substantial impact on freshwater supplies. That we do not
know with any precision the when, where, and how much does not change
the fact that we are quite certain that such changes will occur.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;quot;So-called climate &amp;quot;skeptics&amp;quot; make many valid points about the
weakness or unreliability of many individual arguments and studies on
climate. They also point out how policy advocates routinely exaggerate
the implications of various studies or the likely consequences of even
the most robust climate predictions. Economists and others have also
done important work questioning whether climate risks justify extreme
mitigation measures. But none of this changes the fact that the
cumulative evidence for a human contribution to present and future
climate changes, when taken as a whole, is quite strong. In this
regard, I think it is worth quoting something Ilya wrote below about
the nature of evidence in &lt;a href="http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2008_01_27-2008_02_02.shtml#1201922977"&gt;his post about 12 Angry Men&amp;quot;&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;People
often dismiss individual arguments and evidence against their preferred
position without considering the cumulative weight of the other side&amp;#39;s
points. It&amp;#39;s a very easy fallacy to fall into. But the beginning of
wisdom is to at least be aware of the problem.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;quot;The &amp;quot;divide
and conquer&amp;quot; strategy of dissecting each piece of evidence
independently can make for effective advocacy, but it is not a good way
to find the truth&amp;quot;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;nbsp; noted the following &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/02/06/quot-climate-change-cumulative-evidence-and-ideology-quot.aspx"&gt;in response to Adler&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;I think that there are many Austrians who understand WHY there might
be a climate change problem to which man contributes, as the atmosphere
is an open-access resource, in which there are no clear or
enforceable&amp;nbsp;property rights that&amp;nbsp;rein in externalities or that give
parties with differing preferences an ability to engage in meaingful
transactions that reflect those preferences.&amp;nbsp; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;But, flawed human beings that we are, &lt;b&gt;we have difficulty truly
keeping our minds open (subconscious dismissal of inconsistent data&amp;nbsp;is
a cognitive rule)&amp;nbsp;and we easily fall into tribal modes of conflict that
provide us with great satisfaction in disagreeing with those evil
&amp;quot;others&amp;quot; while circling the wagons&lt;/b&gt; (and counting coup) with our
brothers in arms.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Sadly, this is very much in evidence in the thread to your own post.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;5. &lt;b&gt;I have pulled together a post that indicates that a number of &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/11/03/a-libertarian-immodestly-makes-a-few-modest-climate-policy-proposals.aspx"&gt;libertarians are trying to engage in good faith on climate change&lt;/a&gt;, and which may also serve as a good introduction for interested readers to libertarian thinking on environmental issues.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;6. Finally, let me note that many of the problems that concern libertarians also concern progressives, chief of these being the negative effects of state actions on communities, development and on open-access (and hitherto local, indigenous-managed) commons.&amp;nbsp; This is the same concern that the Nobel Prize committee expressed when extending the prize in Economics to &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/10/16/elinor-ostrom-austrian-praise-for-the-nobel-laureate-and-a-reprise-of-my-posts-on-her-thoughts-on-how-human-communities-successly-manage-commons.aspx"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Elinor Ostrom&lt;/b&gt;,&lt;/a&gt; signalling their desire for a change in international aid policy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You might find these remarks by &lt;b&gt;Nicholas Hildyard, Larry Lohmann, Sarah Sexton &lt;/b&gt;and &lt;b&gt;Simon Fairlie&lt;/b&gt; in &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.thecornerhouse.org.uk/item.shtml?x=52004#index-01-00-00-00"&gt;Reclaiming the Commons&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (1995) to be pertinent; domestic cap-and-trade is an enclosure of the atmospheric commons, for the benefit of firms receiving grants of permits and costs flowing regressively to energy consumers, and internationally represents a vast expansion of state authority and bureaucracies, with attendant enclosure of local resources:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt; The creation of empires and states, business conglomerates and
civic dictatorships -- whether in pre-colonial times or in the modern
era -- has only been possible through dismantling the commons and
harnessing the fragments, deprived of their old significance, to build
up new economic and social patterns that are responsive to the
interests of a dominant minority. The modern nation state has been
built only by stripping power and control from commons regimes and
creating structures of governance from which the great mass of humanity
(particularly women) are excluded. Likewise, the market economy has
expanded primarily by enabling state and commercial interests to gain
control of territory that has traditionally been used and cherished by
others, and by transforming that territory - together with the people
themselves - into expendable &amp;quot;resources&amp;quot; for exploitation. By enclosing
forests, the state and private enterprise have torn them out of fabrics
of peasant subsistence; by providing local leaders with an outside
power base, unaccountable to local people, they have undermined village
checks and balances; by stimulating demand for cash goods, they have
impelled villagers to seek an ever wider range of things to sell. Such
a policy was as determinedly pursued by the courts of Aztec Mexico, the
feudal lords of West Africa, and the factory owners of Lancashire and
the British Rail as it is today by the International Monetary Fund or
Coca-Cola Inc.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt; Only in this way has it been possible to convert peasants into
labour for a global economy, replace traditional with modern
agriculture, and free up the commons for the industrial economy.
Similarly, only by atomizing tasks and separating workers from the
moral authority, crafts and natural surroundings created by their
communities has it been possible to transform them into modern,
universal individuals susceptible to &amp;quot;management&amp;quot;. In short, only by
deliberately taking apart local cultures and reassembling them in new
forms has it been possible to open them up to global trade.[FN L.
Lohmann, &amp;#39;Resisting Green Globalism&amp;#39; in W. Sachs (ed), Global Ecology:
Conflicts and Contradictions, Zed Books, London and New Jersey, 1993.]
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt; To achieve that &amp;quot;condition of economic progress&amp;quot;, millions have
been marginalized as a calculated act of policy, their commons
dismantled and degraded, their cultures denigrated and devalued and
their own worth reduced to their value as labour. Seen from this
perspective, many of the processes that now go under the rubric of
&amp;quot;nation-building&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;economic growth&amp;quot;, and &amp;quot;progress&amp;quot; are first ad
foremost processes of expropriation, exclusion, denial and
dispossession. In a word, of &amp;quot;enclosure&amp;quot;.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt; Because history&amp;#39;s best-known examples of enclosure involved the
fencing in of common pasture, enclosure is often reduced to a synonym
for &amp;quot;expropriation&amp;quot;. But enclosure involves more than land and fences,
and implies more than simply privatization or takeover by the state. It
is a compound process which affects nature and culture, home and
market, production and consumption, germination and harvest, birth,
sickness and death. It is a process to which no aspect of life or
culture is immune. ..,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Enclosure tears people and their lands, forests, crafts,
technologies and cosmologies out of the cultural framework in which
they are embedded and tries to force them into a new framework which
reflects and reinforces the values and interests of newly-dominant
groups. Any pieces which will not fit into the new framework are
devalued and discarded. In the modern age, the architecture of this new
framework is determined by market forces, science, state and corporate
bureaucracies, patriarchal forms of social organization, and ideologies
of environmental and social management.

&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt; Land, for example, once it is integrated into a framework of
fences, roads and property laws, is &amp;quot;disembedded&amp;quot; from local fabrics of
self-reliance and redefined as &amp;quot;property&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;real estate&amp;quot;. Forests are
divided into rigidly defined precincts - mining concessions, logging
concessions, wildlife corridors and national parks - and transformed
from providers of water, game, wood and vegetables into scarce
exploitable economic resources. Today they are on the point of being
enclosed still further as the dominant industrial culture seeks to
convert them into yet another set of components of the industrial
system, redefining them as &amp;quot;sinks&amp;quot; to absorb industrial carbon dioxide
and as pools of &amp;quot;biodiversity&amp;quot;. Air is being enclosed as economists
seek to transform it into a marketable &amp;quot;waste sink&amp;quot;; and genetic
material by subjecting it to laws which convert it into the
&amp;quot;intellectual property&amp;quot; of private interests.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;
 People too are enclosed as they are fitted into a new society where
they must sell their labour, learn clock-time and accustom themselves
to a life of production and consumption; groups of people are redefined
as &amp;quot;populations&amp;#39;, quantifiable entities whose size must be adjusted to
take pressure off resources required for the global economy. ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;enclosure transforms the environment into a &amp;quot;resource&amp;quot; for national or
global production - into so many chips that can be cashed in as
commodities, handed out as political favours and otherwise used to
accrue power. ... &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Enclosure thus cordons off those aspects of the environment that are
deemed &amp;quot;useful&amp;quot; to the encloser -- whether grass for sheep in 16th
century England or stands of timber for logging in modern-say Sarawak
-- and defines them, and them alone, as valuable. A street becomes a
conduit for vehicles; a wetland, a field to be drained; flowing water,
a wasted asset to be harnessed for energy or agriculture. Instead of
being a source of multiple benefits, the environment becomes a
one-dimensional asset to be exploited for a single purpose - that
purpose reflecting the interests of the encloser, and the priorities of
the wider political economy in which the encloser operates....&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt; Enclosure opens the way for the bureaucratization and enclosure of
knowledge itself. It accords power to those who master the language of
the new professionals and who are versed in its etiquette and its
social nuances, which are inaccessible to those who have not been to
school or to university, who do not have professional qualifications,
who cannot operate computers, who cannot fathom the apparent mysteries
of a cost-benefit analysis, or who refuse to adopt the forceful tones
of an increasingly &amp;quot;masculine&amp;quot; world.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt; In that respect, as Illich notes, &amp;quot;enclosure is as much in the
interest of professionals and of state bureaucrats as it is in the
interests of capitalists.&amp;quot; For as local ways of knowing and doing are
devalued or appropriated, and as vernacular forms of governance are
eroded, so state and professional bodies are able to insert themselves
within the commons, taking over areas of life that were previously
under the control of individuals, households and the community.
Enclosure &amp;quot;allows the bureaucrat to define the local community as
impotent to provide for its own survival.&amp;quot;[FN I Illich, &amp;#39;Silence is a
Commons&amp;#39;, The Coevolution Quarterly, Winter 1983.] It invites the
professional to come to the &amp;quot;rescue&amp;quot; of those whose own knowledge is
deemed inferior to that of the encloser.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt; Enclosure is thus a change in the networks of power which enmesh
the environment, production, distribution, the political process,
knowledge, research and the law. It reduces the control of local people
over community affairs. Whether female or male, a person&amp;#39;s influence
and ability to make a living depends increasingly on becoming absorbed
into the new policy created by enclosure, on accepting -- willingly or
unwillingly -- a new role as a consumer, a worker, a client or an
administrator, on playing the game according to new rules. The way is
thus cleared for cajoling people into the mainstream, be it through
programmes to bring women &amp;quot;into development&amp;quot;, to entice smallholders
&amp;quot;into the market&amp;quot; or to foster paid employment.[FN P. Simmons, &amp;#39;Women
in Development&amp;#39;, The Ecologist, Vol. 22, No.1, 1992, pp.16-21.]
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;
 Those who remain on the margins of the new mainstream, either by
choice or because that is where society has pushed them, are not only
deemed to have little value: they are perceived as a threat. Thus it is
the landless, the poor, the dispossessed who are blamed for forest
destruction; their poverty which is held responsible for
&amp;quot;overpopulation&amp;quot;; their protests which are classed as subversive and a
threat to political stability. And because they are perceived as a
threat, they become objects to be controlled, the legitimate subjects
of yet further enclosure. ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt; People who would oppose dams, logging, the redevelopment of their
neighbourhoods or the pollution of their rivers are often left few
means of expressing or arguing their case unless they are prepared to
engage in a debate framed by the languages of cost-benefit analysis,
reductionist science, utilitarianism, male domination -- and,
increasingly, English. Not only are these languages in which many local
objection -- such as that which holds ancestral community rights to a
particular place to have precedence over the imperatives of &amp;quot;national
development&amp;quot; -- appear disreputable. They are also languages whose use
allows enclosers to eavesdrop on, &amp;quot;correct&amp;quot; and dominate the
conversations of the enclosed. ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt; Because they hold themselves to be speaking a universal language,
the modern enclosers who work for development agencies and governments
feel no qualms in presuming to speak for the enclosed. They assume
reflexively that they understand their predicament as well as or better
than the enclosed do themselves. It is this tacit assumption that
legitimizes enclosure in the encloser&amp;#39;s mind - and it is an assumption
that cannot be countered simply by transferring what are
conventionbally assumed to be the trappings of power from one group to
another....&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt; A space for the commons cannot be created by economists,
development planners, legislators, &amp;quot;empowerment&amp;quot; specialists or other
paternalistic outsiders. To place the future in the hands of such
individuals would be to maintain the webs of power that are currently
stifling commons regimes. One cannot legislate the commons into
existence; nor can the commons be reclaimed simply by adopting &amp;quot;green
techniques&amp;quot; such as organic agriculture, alternative energy strategies
or better public transport -- necessary and desirable though such
techniques often are. Rather, commons regimes emerge through ordinary
people&amp;#39;s day-to-day resistance to enclosure, and through their efforts
to regain livelihoods and the mutual support, responsibility and trust
that sustain the commons.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt; That is not to say that one can ignore policy-makers or
policy-making. The depredations of transnational corporations,
international bureaucracies and national governments cannot be allowed
to go unchallenged. But movements for social change have a
responsibility to ensure that in seeking solutions, they do not remove
the initiative from those who are defending their commons or attempting
to regenerate common regimes -- a responsibility they should take
seriously.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Might there be good reason NOT to rush into a vast expansion of government world-wide?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=265713" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Austrians/default.aspx">Austrians</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/ostrom/default.aspx">ostrom</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Enviro+Derangement+Syndrome/default.aspx">Enviro Derangement Syndrome</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate+change/default.aspx">climate change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/John+Quiggin/default.aspx">John Quiggin</category></item><item><title>A libertarian immodestly summarizes a few modest climate policy proposals </title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/11/03/a-libertarian-immodestly-makes-a-few-modest-climate-policy-proposals.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:52:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:265643</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=265643</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=265643</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/11/03/a-libertarian-immodestly-makes-a-few-modest-climate-policy-proposals.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Folks, I hope you do a better job than I do at saving draft posts before they`re finalized; I just lost alot of work. This will necessarily be shorter.]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rather than simply pointing out how unproductive the approach of Mises Blog posters has been on climate issues, I want to get started with a list of policy changes that I think libertarians can and should be championing in response to the climate policy proposals of others. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Comments, suggestions and criticisms are welcome. I will return and work&amp;nbsp; on this later.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/10/30/the-road-not-taken-ii-austrians-strive-for-a-self-comforting-irrelevancy-on-climate-change-the-greatest-commons-problem-rent-seeking-game-of-our-age.aspx"&gt;my earlier comment&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;b&gt;Stephan Kinsella&lt;/b&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;As &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/02/04/quot-free-market-quot-rob-bradley-prefer-to-mock-enviros-rather-than-to-make-common-cause.aspx"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Rob Bradley&lt;/b&gt; once reluctantly acknowledged&lt;/a&gt; to me (in the halcyon days before he banned me from the &amp;quot;free-market&amp;quot; Master Resource blog), &lt;b&gt;&amp;quot;a
free-market approach is not about &amp;ldquo;do nothing&amp;rdquo; but implementing a whole
new energy approach to remove myriad regulation and subsidies that have
built up over a century or more.&amp;quot;&lt;/b&gt; But unfortunately the wheels of this principled concern have never hit the ground at MR [&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=Bradley"&gt;persistently
pointing this out it, and questioning whether his blog was a front for
fossil fuel interests, apparently earned me the boot&lt;/a&gt;]. 

&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;As I have noted in a litany of posts at my blog, pro-freedom regulatory changes might include:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt; accelerating cleaner power investments by &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=corporate+income"&gt;eliminating corporate
income taxes or allowing &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;immediate depreciation&lt;/span&gt; of capital investment&lt;/a&gt; (which would make new investments more attractive),&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/23/why-does-everyone-calling-for-or-condemning-government-quot-green-power-quot-mandates-ignore-the-frustrations-resulting-public-utility-monopolies-and-regulatory-balkanization.aspx"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;eliminating antitrust immunity for public utility monopolies&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (to
increase competition, allow consumer choice, peak pricing and &amp;quot;smart metering&amp;quot; that will
rapidly push efficiency gains), &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;ending &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=clean+air+act"&gt;Clean Air Act handouts to the worst utilities&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; (or otherwise
unwinding burdensome regulations and moving to lighter and more
common-law dependent approaches), &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;ending energy subsidies&lt;/span&gt; generally (including federal liability caps for nuclear power (and allowing states to license), &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;speeding economic growth and adaptation in the poorer countries
most threatened by climate change by &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;rolling back domestic agricultural
corporate welfare programs&lt;/span&gt; (ethanol and sugar), and &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;if there is to be any type of carbon pricing at all, insisting that it is a per capita, &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=carbon+tax"&gt;fully-rebated carbon tax&lt;/a&gt;
(puts the revenues in the hands of those with the best claim to it,
eliminates regressive impact and price volatility, least new
bureaucracy, most transparent, and least susceptible to pork). &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Other policy changes could also be put
on the table, such as an insistence that government resource management
be improved by requiring that half of all &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=anwr"&gt;royalties be rebated to
citizens&lt;/a&gt; (with a slice to the administering agency).
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I`m not the only one - other libertarian climate proposals are here:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/04/04/bruce-yandle-on-quot-no-regrets-quot-quot-free-market-environmentalist-quot-approaches-to-climate-change-policy.aspx"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:9pt;color:black;font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://circa.europa.eu/Public/irc/env/action_climat/library?l=/noregrets2000pdf/_EN_1.0_&amp;amp;a=d"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Jonathan Adler&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:9pt;color:black;font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;at Case Western (2000)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:9pt;color:black;font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US"&gt;; he has other useful commentary &lt;a href="http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/backing-words-intelligent-targeted-action"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTQwNzY2ZGRhMGM5MGQ0NjdmMTlhNjVjZDdkZTY4NjE="&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/04/04/bruce-yandle-on-quot-no-regrets-quot-quot-free-market-environmentalist-quot-approaches-to-climate-change-policy.aspx"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:9pt;color:black;font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;Bruce Yandle&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, Professor Emeritus at Clemson University,&amp;nbsp;Senior Fellow at &lt;b&gt;PERC&lt;/b&gt;
(the &amp;quot;free market&amp;quot; environmentalism think tank) and&amp;nbsp;a respected thinker
on common-law and free-market approaches to environmental problems, has
in PERC&amp;#39;s Spring 2008 report specifically proposed a&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.perc.org/pdf/spr08%20Carbon%20Reduction.pdf" class="null"&gt;A No-Regrets Carbon Reduction Policy&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;/b&gt;;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:9pt;color:black;font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/controlpanel/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/06/17/iain-murray-another-libertarian-makes-climate-policy-proposals.aspx"&gt;Iain Murray&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; of CEI; and&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:9pt;color:black;font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Cato`s &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/02/03/in-the-fight-over-climate-policy-jerry-taylor-of-cato-tries-to-stiffen-the-spines-of-the-purist-enviros-in-order-to-limit-the-quot-bootleggers-quot.aspx"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Jerry Taylor&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is a frequent commentator and &lt;a href="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9125"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Indur Goklany&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; has advanced a specific climate change-targeted proposal.
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&amp;nbsp;AEI`s &lt;b&gt;Steven Hayward &lt;/b&gt;and &lt;b&gt;Ken Green &lt;/b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.aei.org/outlook/26286"&gt;together&lt;/a&gt; have &lt;a href="http://www.aei.org/article/25532"&gt;provided&lt;/a&gt; a &lt;a href="http://www.aei.org/speech/100099"&gt;number&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;a href="http://www.aei.org/outlook/100078"&gt;detailed&lt;/a&gt; and relatively balanced analyses.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Several libertarians have recently been urging constructive libertarian approaches to climate change:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;div class="section_title_int"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Edwin&amp;nbsp;Dolan&lt;/b&gt;, in his Fall 2006&amp;nbsp;Cato Journal essay, &lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.com/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/02/14/edwin-dolan-applying-the-lockean-framework-to-climate-change.aspx" class="null"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Global Warming: Rethinking the Market Liberal Position&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;,&amp;nbsp;analyzes
relevant Lockean considerations and&amp;nbsp;cautions that market liberals
appear to be hamstringing their own analytic strengths by falling into
a reflexive and conservative mind-frames that benefit established
economic interests. &lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sheldon Richman&lt;/b&gt; of the &lt;b&gt;Foundation for Economic Education&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;also
recommends Dolan&amp;#39;s essay and calls for less wishful thinking and
greater engagement by libertarians in the December 8, 2006 edition of&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;The Freeman&lt;/span&gt;:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.fee.org/in_brief/default.asp?id=966" class="null"&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Goal Is Freedom: Global Warming and the Layman&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/11/04/can-a-free-society-solve-global-warming.aspx"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Gene Callahan&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; makes a similar warning in his essay&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;span class="null"&gt;How a Free Society Could Solve Global Warming&lt;/span&gt;&amp;quot;,&lt;/i&gt; in the October 2007 issue of&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;The Freeman&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ron Bailey&lt;/b&gt;, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/10/15/reason-congratulations-to-al-gore.aspx"&gt;Congratulations to Al Gore; But be wary of the man&amp;#39;s proposed solutions for global warming&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;,&amp;nbsp; October 12, 2007.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These discussions and exchanges of view are also worthy of note:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;Cato Institute&lt;/span&gt; has dedicated its entire August 2008 monthly issue of &lt;em&gt;Cato Unbound&lt;/em&gt;, its online forum, to discussing policy responses to ongoing climate change.&amp;nbsp; The issue, entitled &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.cato-unbound.org/issues/keeping-our-cool-what-to-do-about-global-warming/"&gt;Keeping Our Cool: What to Do about Global Warming&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;,&amp;nbsp;contains essays from and several rounds of discussion between ato Institute author &lt;strong&gt;Indur Goklany&lt;/strong&gt;; climate scientist &lt;strong&gt;Joseph J. Romm&lt;/strong&gt;, a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress; and&lt;strong&gt; Michael Shellenberger and Ted Nordhaus&lt;/strong&gt;, the co-founders of The Breakthrough Institute.&amp;nbsp; My &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=%22cato+unbound%22"&gt;extended comments here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt; Reason Foundation, &lt;a href="http://reason.org/roundtables/show/6.html"&gt;Climate Change and Property Rights&lt;/a&gt; June 12th, 2008 (Reason&amp;#39;s&lt;b&gt; Shikha Dalmia&lt;/b&gt;, Case Western Reserve University law professor &lt;b&gt;Jonathan H. Adler&lt;/b&gt;, and author &lt;b&gt;Indur Goklany&lt;/b&gt;); discussed&amp;nbsp; by &lt;b&gt;Ron Bailey&lt;/b&gt; of ReasonOnline &lt;a href="http://www.reason.com/blog/show/126994.html" class="null"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2008/06/12/climate-change-quot-climate-change-and-property-rights-do-lockean-principles-require-western-nations-to-compensate-poorer-ones-for-net-costs.aspx"&gt;here`s my take&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/126851.html" class="null"&gt;Debate at&amp;nbsp;Reason,&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="null"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;October 2007, &lt;b&gt;Ron Bailey&lt;/b&gt;, Science Correspondent at Reason, &lt;b&gt;Fred L. Smith, Jr&lt;/b&gt;., President and Founder of
CEI, and&lt;b&gt; Lynne Kiesling&lt;/b&gt;, Senior Lecturer in Economics at
Northwestern University, and former director of economic policy at the
Reason Foundation.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Reason Foundation, &lt;a href="http://reason.org/roundtables/show/8.html"&gt;Global Warming and Potential Policy Solutions&lt;/a&gt; September 7th, 2006 (Reason&amp;#39;s &lt;b&gt;Shikha Dalmia&lt;/b&gt;, George Mason University Department of Economics
Chair &lt;b&gt;Don Boudreaux&lt;/b&gt;, and the International Policy Network&amp;#39;s
&lt;b&gt;Julian Morris&lt;/b&gt;)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finally, I have collected here some Austrian-based papers on environmental issues that are worthy of note:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/12/29/environmental-markets-links-to-austrians.aspx"&gt;Environmental Markets?&amp;nbsp; Links to Austrians&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Ones such paper is the following: &lt;b&gt;Terry L. Anderson&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;J. Bishop Grewell, &lt;/b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?10+Duke+Envtl.+L.+&amp;amp;+Pol&amp;#39;y+F.+73+pdf"&gt;Property Rights Solutions for the Global Commons: Bottom-Up or Top-Down?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?10+Duke+Envtl.+L.+&amp;amp;+Pol%27y+F.+73+pdf"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006bad;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=265643" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Austrians/default.aspx">Austrians</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Enviro+Derangement+Syndrome/default.aspx">Enviro Derangement Syndrome</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate+change/default.aspx">climate change</category></item><item><title>[Update] Bob Murphy &amp; Gene Callahan flesh out the "objective" moral order: it applies only to those able to perceive it?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/09/08/more-from-bob-murphy-amp-gene-callahan-flesh-out-the-quot-objective-quot-moral-order-it-applies-only-to-those-able-to-perceive-it.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:58:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:249765</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>4</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=249765</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=249765</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/09/08/more-from-bob-murphy-amp-gene-callahan-flesh-out-the-quot-objective-quot-moral-order-it-applies-only-to-those-able-to-perceive-it.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Update: &lt;b&gt;Bob Murphy&lt;/b&gt; sends in an email comment, copied (in relevant part) at the bottom of this post.]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I`ve addressed here &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=objective+moral"&gt;on five different threads&lt;/a&gt; the question of whether there is an &amp;quot;objective moral order&amp;quot;, which &lt;b&gt;Gene Callahan &lt;/b&gt;broached in &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/controlpanel/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/26/is-there-is-an-objective-moral-reality.aspx"&gt;a May blog post&lt;/a&gt;. I`ve commented here mainly because I find the subject interesting, but the subsequent &lt;a href="http://www.gene-callahan.org/blog/2009/07/morals-are-not-objectively-real-and.html"&gt;discussions at Gene Callahan`s blog&lt;/a&gt; and at &lt;a href="http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2009/07/problems-with-materialism.html"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Bob Murphy&lt;/b&gt;`s blog&lt;/a&gt;  to be rather unproductive, if not frustrating and disappointing.&amp;nbsp; However, I note that Bob Murphy, bless his soul, has kindly emailed me a comment for me to post on &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/28/fun-with-self-deception-those-who-espouse-an-quot-objective-quot-moral-order-act-refuse-to-elucidate-or-act-as-if-there-is-none.aspx"&gt;one of my recent threads&lt;/a&gt;, in which Bob refers to a recent relevant comment elsewhere by Gene.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Allow me to repost here Bob Murphy`s comment, and my response, but first here`s some context from the post that Bob Murphy is responding to:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;1. Me:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;While I certainly agree that man has an exquisite moral sense, my
own view is that that sense and capacity are something that we acquired
via the process of evolution, as an aid to intra-group cooperation, &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;- as &lt;b&gt;Bruce Yandle&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/the-commons-tragedy-or-triumph/"&gt;has suggested&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;- as argued by  &lt;b&gt;Roy Rappaport&lt;/b&gt; (former head of the&lt;i&gt; American
Anthropology Assn.) &lt;/i&gt;in his book &amp;quot;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;Ritual and Religion in the Making of Humanity&amp;quot;&lt;/span&gt; (which &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/controlpanel/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/06/22/evolution-amp-religion-idle-hands-express-idle-thoughts-about-bob-murphy-s-determination-to-apply-reason-to-his-insistence-that-quot-non-believers-burn-in-hell-quot.aspx"&gt;I have discussed here&lt;/a&gt;) and - as I have recently discovered - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;- as &lt;b&gt;David Sloan Wilson &lt;/b&gt;has argued in his book &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Darwins-Cathedral-Evolution-Religion-Society/dp/0226901351/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1247172982&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;Darwin`s Cathedral: Evolution, Religion, and the Nature of Society&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;I note that the NYT has recently run a &lt;a href="http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/02/the-non-evolution-of-god/"&gt;series &lt;/a&gt;of &lt;a href="http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/non-evolution-of-god-part-2/"&gt;posts &lt;/a&gt;on related &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/opinion/23wright.html?_r=1"&gt;topics&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;In my view, our moral sense, rituals and &amp;quot;sacred postulates&amp;quot; (later, religions) have played a central role in the evolution of man as a
social animal, by
providing a fundamental way of ordering the world, the group`s role in
it, and the individual`s role in the group - thereby abating commons
problems both within and created by the group. The religious
lies at the root of our human nature, even as its inviolable, sacred
truths continue to fall by the wayside during the long march of
culture and science out of the Garden of Eden. While we certainly have
made progress (partly with the aid of &amp;quot;universal&amp;quot; religions) in
expanding the boundaries of our groups, we very much remain group,
tribal animals, fiercely attentive to rival groups and who is within or
outside our group, and this tribal nature is clearly at work in our
cognition (our penchant for finding enemies, including those who have
different religious beliefs that ours).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;But I didn`t really kick off this discussion - why are Callahan and
Murphy so reticent to describe what it is they think they mean when
they assert that there are &amp;quot;objective moral truths&amp;quot; and an &amp;quot;objective
moral order&amp;quot;?&amp;nbsp; (I can understand why I seem to have earned the clear
hostility of one them; after all I have proven by my persistence and/or
thickheadedness to be, if not an &amp;quot;enemy&amp;quot;, then in any case not one of
the august clear-sighted.) &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Here are a few questions I left with them at Bob`s most recent post:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;-
Are those who believe that there is an objective &amp;quot;moral&amp;quot; order
asserting that, for every being - regardless of species - that there is
a uniform, objective moral order in the universe? Or is the argument
that there is an object moral order only for conscious and self-aware
beings, and none for organisms that are not conscious, or are conscious
but not self-aware?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Or is the argument that the &amp;quot;objective&amp;quot;
moral order exists only for humans, and perhaps someday can be
identified and located in universally shared mental processes, based on
brain activity and arising from shared genes?&amp;nbsp; Will such objective moral order still exist if all mankind ceases to exist?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Or is the
objective moral order one that exists for some humans, but not all -
depending on physical development of the brain as we mature (with the
development of some being impaired via genetic or other defect)?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Is the human &amp;quot;objective&amp;quot; moral order universal, for all individuals - of whatever, gender or age - across all history?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;- Is an objective moral order something real that can be tested for
despite the inability of a particular observer to perceive directly -
like beings that can`t directly perceive light (or like us who can`t
personally physically observe much of what technology allows us to)?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;- And
if the objective moral order is a part of the universe, can we apply
the scientific method to confirm its existence of and explore its
parameters, and to explain (and test) it with &amp;quot;laws&amp;quot;?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;- What are some of the parameters and laws governing the moral order?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/28/fun-with-self-deception-those-who-espouse-an-quot-objective-quot-moral-order-act-refuse-to-elucidate-or-act-as-if-there-is-none.aspx#249467"&gt;Bob Murphy`s comments&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;:&lt;/span&gt; (emphasis added)&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;On the general issue of &amp;quot;are morals objective for everyone?&amp;quot; I refer to this excellent discussion by &lt;b&gt;Gene Callahan&lt;/b&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;&lt;a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://www.gene-callahan.org/blog/2009/09/freedoms-just-another-word-for.html"&gt;www.gene-callahan.org/.../freedoms-just-another-word-for.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;[Here is Gene`s relevant comment:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Something that is correct only &amp;#39;to&amp;#39; someone is subjectively, not
objectively, correct. What &amp;#39;objective&amp;#39; means is precisely &amp;#39;to any and
all possible perceivers.&amp;#39; And, of course, it is simply a further muddle
to introduce beings incapable of perceiving the objective item in
question, as if that raised doubts about its objective status. &amp;#39;Would
this be objectively correct for ants?&amp;#39; makes no more sense than &amp;#39;Is it
objectively true for ants that Mars has two moons?&amp;#39; It is objectively
true, not &amp;#39;for&amp;#39; anyone, that Mars has two moons, and it is also
objectively true that ants are a kind of being that cannot peer through
telescopes or count to two. It is objectively true that murder is
wrong, and &lt;i&gt;if ants were the sort of being capable of murder&lt;/i&gt;, which they are not (as far as we know!), it would be wrong for them to commit murders.&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;When I say that I think morality is objective, what I mean is that a
statement such as &amp;quot;it is better to kiss an infant than to drown it&amp;quot; is
a different type of thing from the statement &amp;quot;chocolate ice cream is
better than vanilla.&amp;quot; The latter is clearly stating a subjective
preference, whereas the former is (I claim) reflecting an objective
truth about reality.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;Note that&lt;b&gt; to say morality is objective doesn&amp;#39;t necessarily mean that
&amp;#39;the same rules&amp;#39; apply to everybody,&lt;/b&gt; at least not in the sense that I
think you mean. &lt;b&gt;It might not be immoral for Eskimos to euthanize old
people, whereas it could be considered murder in Manhattan.&lt;/b&gt; But this
doesn&amp;#39;t actually prove morality is subjective. By the same token, it&amp;#39;s
OK for me to eat the food in my fridge. But if somebody else wandered
into my house and did the &amp;#39;same thing,&amp;#39; it would be theft.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;I&amp;#39;m a Christian so if you ask me for a list of these rules, a good
start is the Ten Commandments. And then if you want to know how to
apply these rules, I&amp;#39;d tell you to read the gospels and study the life
of Jesus.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:60px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;As far as your specific questions, I don&amp;#39;t want to bother trying to
answer them. I admit I can&amp;#39;t give you great answers on some.&lt;/b&gt; But to me,
that doesn&amp;#39;t show that morality is subjective after all. There are
plenty of non-material things (like mathematics etc.) that are
rock-solid objectively true. So I think our difference here is much
deeper than an issue of mere morality. I think you are a materialist
and I&amp;#39;m not, which is influencing our discussion on morality.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;3.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/28/fun-with-self-deception-those-who-espouse-an-quot-objective-quot-moral-order-act-refuse-to-elucidate-or-act-as-if-there-is-none.aspx#249501"&gt;My response:&lt;/a&gt; (emphasis added)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Bob, thanks for troubling to visit and
read, but your comments are obviously a disappointment - as you`ve
simply done none of the heavy lifting that you have implied by
insisting on various occasions that there is an &amp;quot;objective&amp;quot; moral order.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;All that you`ve done here is to make a very weak argument that MAN
has a moral sense regarding how we treat others. But this is not only
obvious, it is also something that I have asserted all along.&lt;/b&gt; While it
tells us something I agree is objectively true generally about man -
something that I have made various attempts to explore here and to
sketch out on your blog and Gene`s - &lt;b&gt;it tells us essentially nothing
about an objective moral order to the universe&lt;/b&gt;, that is applicable to
other life forms, and that will survive mankind if we were all ever to
perish.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;I`m afraid I have to disagree with you about &lt;b&gt;Gene`s post, which in
fact illustrates the weakness of his position regarding &amp;quot;objective
truth&amp;quot;.&lt;/b&gt; While he suggests that by &amp;quot;objectively correct&amp;quot; we mean
something that is correct for `any and all possible perceivers&amp;#39; (so
far, so good), he then presents the example of ants, for whom he
asserts it would be wrong for them to commit murder IF THEY WERE
CAPABLE of committing murder. But he`s failed to notice that &lt;b&gt;he`s not
only begged the question about what we mean by saying that &amp;quot;it is
objectively true that murder is wrong&amp;quot;, but he`s suggested that because
ants lack a capacity to perceive moral strictures against murder, they are unable to commit it.
By doing so, he`s just invited in all of the questions that I`ve
outlined above &lt;/b&gt;[in item 1 here]&lt;b&gt;, plus questions of culture and exigency that you have
pointed out by your reference to Eskimos. &lt;/b&gt;Can any animals or life forms
other than man commit murder? Do moral restrictions against murder
require some threshold level of self-reflection, intellectual capacity,
typical social structure, physical and social maturity, or upbringing?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;So there IS an objective moral order, but it only applies to those
able to perceive it?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt; This is both a very modest position, as well as
one that oddly smacks of belief in Leprechauns.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Rather than arguing that still undefined but &amp;quot;objective&amp;quot; moral rules are embedded in the structure of the universe but have only limited application, isn`t it easier to acknowledge that man has a moral sense, observe
that it enhances our ability to cooperate, observe that other animals
also exhibit patterns of reciprocal behavior and posit that our moral
sense is something that we have evolved, as it enhanced our ability to
survive and procreate?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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	                            re: Evolution, religion and our insistence on a still undefined &amp;quot;objective&amp;quot; moral order
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&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;By the way, I note that fellow Community blogger lilburne and I agree generally about morality*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;quot;There is a burgeoning school of thought in evolutionary biology and
the cognitive sciences (led by Marc Hauser and Steven Pinker) which
contends that morality is not just cultural artifice, but that it is an
intrinsic feature of the human mind which evolved over the countless
millennia of humans living together.&amp;quot;&lt;a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://mises.org/Community/controlpanel/blogs/lilburne/archive/2009/08/26/245211.aspx"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://mises.org/Community/controlpanel/blogs/lilburne/archive/2009/08/26/245211.aspx"&gt;mises.org/.../245211.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If anyone is still reading, let me  note that I posted a week or so ago &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/30/a-few-simple-thoughts-on-the-evolution-of-moral-codes-and-why-we-fight-over-them-and-religion-liberty-and-the-state.aspx"&gt;further thoughts on the evolution of moral codes and why we fight over them&lt;/a&gt; (rarely applying to those outside our group the same moral standards that we apply to those within our groups).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;[Update:] Further email comment from Bob Murphy (posted with approval):&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;I&amp;#39;m going to have to punt on this debate for now. If you agree that&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Bob should not kill an infant&amp;quot; has a truth value more significant&lt;br /&gt;
than &amp;quot;Bob should not wear a dress to work&amp;quot; than I&amp;#39;m happy. I think&lt;br /&gt;
maybe when I say &amp;quot;morality is objective&amp;quot; you are interpreting it to&lt;br /&gt;
mean something more than what I do mean. After all, you are saying&lt;br /&gt;
moral rules apply to all humans, so I don&amp;#39;t know what our difference&lt;br /&gt;
is at this point. I thought originally you were saying you were a&lt;br /&gt;
moral relativist.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;It seems like quite a bit to chew, I know, but I dared (with the modesty and boldness of the inexpert, of course) to venture a few thoughts. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I copy below some of my comments and related dialogue on the &lt;a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/010525.asp"&gt;comment thread&lt;/a&gt; (minor edits):&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I see I`m late to this discussion, but I`ll note I was thinking
related thoughts and just put up a blog post on the subject of
evolution, group dynamics, religion and an &amp;quot;objective moral order&amp;quot; of
the type that &lt;b&gt;Gene Callahan&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;Bob Murphy&lt;/b&gt; assert but won`t trouble
themselves to spell out; it`s here for those interested: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/28/fun-with-self-deception-those-who-espouse-an-quot-objective-quot-moral-order-act-refuse-to-elucidate-or-act-as-if-there-is-none.aspx"&gt;http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/28/fun-with-self-deception-those-who-espouse-an-quot-objective-quot-moral-order-act-refuse-to-elucidate-or-act-as-if-there-is-none.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Briefly as to this piece by &lt;b&gt;Rev. Optiz&lt;/b&gt;: while religion has
undeniably played a crucial historical role in organizing Western
society, and still plays an important role in the voluntary
organization of society and, at times, in opposing state tyranny, we should try to
understand the roots of religions, how they have been employed to organize us and
how they have been abused to control us and to lead us into conquering
and/or slaughtering rival groups, whether &amp;quot;heathen&amp;quot; or merely of a
different sect.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Organized religions sprang from less-organized tribal faiths, and,
like those faiths, served to improve group cooperation and cohesion.
Groups successful in intergroup conflicts - largely by ruthlessly
putting to sword those with different gods - brought their religions
with them. This was certainly the case of the Hebrews; Christianity
spread because an opportunistic Constantine found in it a useful way to
enhance his power and to improve the cohesion of his troops and empire.
Mohammed likewise saw in his visions and his experience with &amp;quot;people of
the Book&amp;quot; a way to expand his own power and to unite Arabs (later
Caliphs took this further to build empires).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rev. Optiz is clearly right that, within religious societies, &amp;quot;the
Book&amp;quot; served as a check on unwary secular leaders, who nevertheless
always strove to coopt religious leaders. But modern secular society
and the US political system are both far away from the Book, whether
Biblical prescription or the Constitution. This leaves us vulnerable to
the continued growth of the state, and to potential conflict as people
look for group protection, inevitably in some in groups that preach
exclusion rather than inclusion.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p class="author"&gt;Published: &lt;a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/010525.asp#comment-587458" title="Permalink to this comment"&gt;August 28, 2009 11:23 AM&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;a title="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom" href="http://mises.org/Community/controlpanel/blogs/tokyotom" rel="nofollow"&gt;TokyoTom&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;tyranny is always a denial &amp;mdash; or a misunderstanding &amp;mdash; of the mandates of an authority or law higher than man himself.&amp;quot; [a quote from Rev.　Optiz]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry, but while I believe in the laws of physics and am aware of
the deep evolutionary roots of our need for various but mutually
contradictory faiths, I see no &amp;quot;law&amp;quot; higher than man.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rather, there has always been a tension between the individual, his
needs for groups, and the restrictions and demands that others -
including the leaders of the groups - wish to impose on him. What we
call &amp;quot;tyranny&amp;quot; is simply the condition when individuals (and
sub-groups) find the demands of the larger group (and those who
marshall force) to be intolerable.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p class="author"&gt;Published: &lt;a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/010525.asp#comment-587461" title="Permalink to this comment"&gt;August 28, 2009 11:33 AM&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;fundamentalistf

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&lt;p&gt;TT: &amp;quot; But modern secular society and the US political system are
both far away from the Book, whether Biblical prescription or the
Constitution. This leaves us vulnerable to the continued growth of the
state...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Very true. That&amp;#39;s why we have witnessed the growth of the state
correlating with the decline of traditional Christianity in the West.
Unfortunately, atheists and agnostics are not siding with freedom; they
are overwhelmingly socialist. So far, atheists and agnostics have faile
miserably since the enlightenment at establishing freedom.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;TT: &amp;ldquo;While I certainly agree that man has an exquisite moral sense,
my own view is that that sense and capacity are something that we
acquired via the process of evolution, as an aid to intra-group
cooperation&amp;hellip;&amp;rdquo;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So what you&amp;rsquo;re saying is that random mutations occurred that gave
some individuals a moral code which in turn gave them a survival
advantage. However, if you want to be scientific about it, you have to
have some kind of evidence. Has anyone found the &amp;ldquo;morality&amp;rdquo; gene? Where
is the evidence that morality has certain groups an advantge over those
without the &amp;ldquo;morality&amp;rdquo; gene? It seems to me you are swallowing a great
deal on pure faith. &lt;br /&gt;
But for the sake of argument, let&amp;rsquo;s assume you&amp;rsquo;re correct that morals
are nothing but a random mutation that gave some humans an edge in
surviving. Why are we bound to follow today such accidents that gave
humans that advantage millions of years ago? That doesn&amp;rsquo;t mean they&amp;rsquo;ll
give us an advantage today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Besides, there has been some variation in morality over the
centuries. Genghis Khan took great pride in slaughtering every person
in a city he conquered and making mountains out of their skulls. Of
course, there was the morality of Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Is it
possible that several different genetic mutations occurred and caused
these differing views on morality? If so, that means that our genes
can&amp;rsquo;t claim that Hitler&amp;rsquo;s genes were immoral; they were just different.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As you can see, claiming genetic status for morality does not help
escape the problems involved in moral relativity. If morality isn&amp;rsquo;t
transcendant, that is, doesn&amp;rsquo;t come from some one with greater
authority than man (or in your case an accident inside of man), then
everyone is free to choose his own morality, even one that elevate
murder to a sacred act.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p class="author"&gt;Published: &lt;a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/010525.asp#comment-587498" title="Permalink to this comment"&gt;August 28, 2009  1:37 PM&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;fundamentalistf

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&lt;p&gt;PS, &lt;br /&gt;
TT, you&amp;#39;ll find the answers to the questions you posted on your blog in
the works of natural law philosophers. A good intro is &amp;quot;Natural Law and
the Theory of Property: Grotius to Hume&amp;quot; by &lt;b&gt;Stephen Buckle&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p class="author"&gt;Published: &lt;a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/010525.asp#comment-587500" title="Permalink to this comment"&gt;August 28, 2009  1:40 PM&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;a title="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/thttp://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/" href="http://../../blogs/thttp://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/" rel="nofollow"&gt;TokyoTom&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;Roger, thanks for your comments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;That&amp;#39;s why we have witnessed the growth of the state correlating with the decline of traditional Christianity in the West.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While I agree about the vulnerability, I wouldn`t lay that as a
principal cause for the growth of the Western state, for which I would simply
point to a loss of control by Rome and greater technological means for
coercion and influence. See Hayek.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;atheists and agnostics are not siding with freedom; they are overwhelmingly socialist.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An interesting thought, but who supported all of nonsense of the
Bush administrations? And certainly the vast majority of voters
wouldn`t touch an atheist with a 10-foot pole. Anyway, what brings you
to your conclusion?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;So what you&amp;rsquo;re saying is that random mutations occurred that gave
some individuals a moral code which in turn gave them a survival
advantage. However, if you want to be scientific about it, you have to
have some kind of evidence.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It doesn`t seem you`ve looked at my links; &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/28/fun-with-self-deception-those-who-espouse-an-quot-objective-quot-moral-order-act-refuse-to-elucidate-or-act-as-if-there-is-none.aspx"&gt;Yandle&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/b&gt;might make the most agreeable start.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obviously things are more nuanced than your statement; we are close
cousins of highly social animals (bonobos, chimpanzees and gorillas)
that are highly socialable and display much of the same reciprocal
behavior, including the means of enforcing it, and the disparate
treatment of those less closely related or familiar and of those
entirely outside the group (viz., the other or &amp;quot;enemies&amp;quot;).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I`m merely postulating that human groups that proved better at
internal cooperation were more likely to be successful when faced with
environmental challenges and opportunities, and to pass their genes
along, which gave rise to our innate sense of &amp;quot;fairness&amp;quot; and to tribal
rules and religions. We clearly have much greater inherent abilities to
cooperate; indeed, the relatively longer infancy and childhood of our
species requires such cooperation. We are good not only at reading
faces and the intentions of others, but signalling our own via various
clues - including being unique among mammals in having white sclera,
the better to show others what we`re thinking about: &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/13/opinion/13tomasello.html." rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/13/opinion/13tomasello.html.&lt;/a&gt;
The fact that we give so much away is a strong indicating that doing so
was to our advantage; viz., that we benefit from cooperation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More proof of course can be easily seen in the fact that societies
groups with greater internal cohesion tend to do well in inter-group
competion. Such cohesion was foster by religions (which also fostered
the formation of larger societies that were better able to engage in
specialization), as well as by more basic tribal reactions that put
group pressure on dissenting individuals.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Why are we bound to follow today such accidents that gave humans
that advantage millions of years ago? That doesn&amp;rsquo;t mean they&amp;rsquo;ll give us
an advantage today.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We can`t change human nature, but we can be aware of it, and we do,
via culture (and formal/informal institutions, such as property) try to
channel it productively and to dampen socially costly excesses. Much of
this has not been a deliberate process, but simply a process of the
survival of successful societies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;there has been some variation in morality over the centuries.
Genghis Khan took great pride in slaughtering every person in a city he
conquered and making mountains out of their skulls. Of course, there
was the morality of Hitler, Stalin and Mao.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A close look at what you call variation in morality seems to me to
be purely a cultural advance as societies extends their boundaries by
created wider, more inclusive bonds, both through religion and law. But
we have ALWAYS treated outsiders differently from insiders; moral codes
were group codes that created few if any rights to or responsibilities
towards outsiders. Few societies have blinked an eye at the slaughter
of those considered to be outsiders; the same can still be seen in our
blase lack of concern for the deaths of Iraqis generated by our
toppling of Saddam (which has surely been orders of magnitude greater
than ours), or for &amp;quot;collateral damage&amp;quot; in our pursuit of those whom we
sometimes called &amp;quot;freedom fighters&amp;quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Has there been a continued evolution of man in the past few thousand
years? Surely; we can see it the spread of lactose tolerance, for
example. But as cultural standards are so important to morality, it is
impossible for now to tease out a biological evolution in morality.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;If so, that means that our genes can&amp;rsquo;t claim that Hitler&amp;rsquo;s genes were immoral; they were just different.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is confused; we all have different genes, and the expressing of
those genes (phenotype) is strongly influenced by culture, up-bringing
and experience. But we do see generalizable differences in male and
female behavior, for example; females had the job of raising children
and protecting the hearth, while men and less to risk in struggles for
power and more to gain in confronting out-groups. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thus our societies have always had different moral codes for men and
women, and our cold, mass-murdering marauders have always been men.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;claiming genetic status for morality does not help escape the problems involved in moral relativity.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Agreed!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;If morality isn&amp;rsquo;t transcendant, that is, doesn&amp;rsquo;t come from some
one with greater authority than man (or in your case an accident inside
of man), then everyone is free to choose his own morality, even one
that elevate murder to a sacred act.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First, our undeniable reliance on communities for support is not an
&amp;quot;accident&amp;quot;, but is something that proved powerfully advantageous, just
as it remains part of our genetic make up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Second, certainly in many (if not most), killing outsiders (what we
even today loathe to call &amp;quot;murder&amp;quot;) has been sanctioned, perhaps even
&amp;quot;sanctified&amp;quot; (an certainly the slaughter of outsiders has been
frequently blessed by in-group moral/religious authorities) - which of
course implies a group ethic and not a purely personal choice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But of course, the looser societies are, the weaker the formal and
informal group sanctions and more individuals are left to their own
decisions. Thus, as the state has coopted and supplanted voluntary
society, the more &amp;quot;immoral&amp;quot;, licentious and selfish behavior that we
see.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finally, in my view morality has never truly been &amp;quot;transcendent&amp;quot;,
but is derived from a shared inheritance of strong interpersonal
cooperation, further shaped by the groups within which we &amp;quot;grow up&amp;quot;,
which groups all have their own (and mutually contradictory) &amp;quot;sacred
postulates&amp;quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;TT&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PS: Thanks for pointing to Buckle; my quick question would be
whether &amp;quot;natural law&amp;quot; is something that applies to the behavior of all
life forms, or simply man (and would blink out of existence if man were
to).&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/30/a-few-simple-thoughts-on-the-evolution-of-moral-codes-and-why-we-fight-over-them-and-religion-liberty-and-the-state.aspx"&gt;Link to this post&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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where I try to clarify the institutional frameworks for understanding
and addressing resource problems, in response to confusion in comments
by others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/member/2745"&gt;cyberfarer&lt;/a&gt;
												Posted 9:26 pm&lt;br /&gt; 27 Aug 2009&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;... [addressed to T Worstall]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;In fact I do
understand what Hardin was saying. Hardin sets up a hypothetcial
situation and then sets about knocking it down. We call that a strawman
argument.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;But you didn&amp;#39;t address my salient point. We live in an
era of the ascendency of private property and yet we have witnessed an
acceleration of the destruction of our natural heritage. Under the
management and control of private interests, we can witness the
remaining rain forests of south east Asia being raised for palm oil
plantations. Under the control and and management of private interests
we can witness boreal forests being decimated. In fact, over the past
fifty years as control and managenment of resources to pass to private
interests, we witness the acceleration of the their destruction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The reality puts the lie to Hardin&amp;#39;s strawman argument.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The
issue of sustainability is not one of private or public ownership as
The Church and its followers would prefer to frame it. The issue is the
central role of profit above all else in our culture.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The free
market economy generates wealth by converting a living planet to a dead
planet; that is, by converting living ecosystems into commodities for
trade and profit. To the free market and its economists, a forest which
provides erosion control, flood control, climate and water
conditioning, habitat, sustenance, and any number of other services not
only to humans but all other species is only valuable in our free
market system when it has been converted to lumber or pulverized for
paper or some other use. That is the true tragedy of the commons. Not
ownership, but the short-sighted stupidity of people and especially of
those worship wealth without understanding its source.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/article/2009-08-23-the-fallacy-of-climate-activism/edit-comment/222742/#c222742"&gt;TokyoTom
												Posted 2:29 am&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; 29 Aug 2009&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;cyberfarer, I`m sorry, but this couldn`t be more wrong in its
understanding of WHY messes happen (and they undeniably do); the result
is that you (and Sacks) have no clue where to start in trying to solve
problems:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;The free market economy generates wealth by converting a living planet
to a dead planet; that is, by converting living ecosystems into
commodities for trade and profit. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The
free market system is really simply people trading what they have to
others for what they want, and it works quite well where resources are
owned (either privately or by communities).&amp;nbsp; It can, however, be a
powerful engine of destruction for resources that are not owned - such
as for resources sourced where property rights are not protected or the
government (elites) &amp;quot;own&amp;quot; too much.&amp;nbsp; Thus our continued political
struggles over giveaways of public resources, the destruction of the
Amazon/Indonesian forests (and Philippine under Marcos), and the
collapse of fisheries that fishermen - often just guys trying to make a
living - have no rights to actually protect the resource.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;To the free market and its
economists, a forest which provides erosion control, flood control,
climate and water conditioning, habitat, sustenance, and any number of
other services not only to humans but all other species is only
valuable in our free market system when it has been converted to lumber
or pulverized for paper or some other use. That is the true tragedy of
the commons. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;You
are only right in part, as all of these things have obvious value, and
people protect them privately or band together as groups to manage them
wherever they desire and can (and are not prevented by the government).
There is an awful lot of private and community conservation going on
around the world.&amp;nbsp; The absolute worst cases are where the resources are
owned by governments, with rights to exploit being leased to companies
that have no properyt and thus no longer rights or obligations.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Not ownership, but the short-sighted stupidity of people
and especially of those worship wealth without understanding its source.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;No,
absolutely ownership; people and groups compete for resources, and can
preserve valuable ones only when they can PROTECT them by excluding
others (i.e., owning) them&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;You, like Sacks, think that the only
way to solve problems is to radically change either capitalism (while
ignoring worse destruction takes place outside of free market regimes)
or human nature.&amp;nbsp; Sorry, but this is blind and stupid, and ignores the
fact that local traction is available for most problems.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;See the case of the Amazon, for example:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/24/capitalism-the-destructive-exploitation-of-the-amazon-and-the-tragedy-of-the-government-owned-commons.aspx"&gt;http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/24/capitalism-the-destructive-exploitation-of-the-amazon-and-the-tragedy-of-the-government-owned-commons.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;I
highly recommend you start studying (not simply free thinking), which
will make your very legitimate concerns much more effective.&amp;nbsp; I mean,
even the environmental groups are calling for better property
rights/protection for fisheries, species, forests and water.&amp;nbsp; Are they
stupid and evil too?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=245902" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate++change/default.aspx">climate  change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Amazon/default.aspx">Amazon</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Adam+Sacks/default.aspx">Adam Sacks</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Grist/default.aspx">Grist</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/propertyty/default.aspx">propertyty</category></item><item><title>Tragedy of the panicked enviro III: learning from Elinor Ostrom about cooperative action</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/29/tragedy-of-the-panicked-enviro-iii-learning-from-elinor-ostrom-about-cooperative-action.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:53:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:245899</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=245899</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=245899</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/29/tragedy-of-the-panicked-enviro-iii-learning-from-elinor-ostrom-about-cooperative-action.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;This is the second  follow-up to my post &amp;quot;&lt;a&gt;Grist and the tragedy of the panicked enviro&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;,
where I try to clarify the institutional frameworks for understanding
and addressing resource problems, in response to confusion in comments
by others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/member/223902"&gt;T Worstall&lt;/a&gt;
												Posted 5:27 pm&lt;br /&gt; 27 Aug 2009
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;TokyoTom makes most of the points I would wish to make. Except for this
one: you clearly do not understand what Hardin was saying about the
tragedy of the commons. For example, he made very clear that there are
two possible solutions to the degradation of an open access resource.
We can have social (socialist) regulations and limitations or we can
have private (capitalist) property solutions. Those are his
descriptions BTW. Which works best depends upon the society and the
resource. He emphatically did NOT say that pricvate property sultions
were the only ones possible. And nor does any economist say that
private property solutions are the only ones either possible or
desirable. Try reading some Ronald Coase on transaction costs to see
why.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/article/2009-08-23-the-fallacy-of-climate-activism/edit-comment/222742/#c221992"&gt;TokyoTom
												Posted 10:03 pm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; 27 Aug 2009&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Let me add some further nuance to Mr. Worstall`s comment by saying
that Hardin`s fertile observations have fuelled extensive further
research on common property problems, with &lt;b&gt;Elinor Ostrom&lt;/b&gt; being recognized as a leading light.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Here is one general bibliography on commons research: &lt;a href="http://www.indiana.edu/~workshop/wsl/tragedy.htm"&gt;http://www.indiana.edu/~workshop/wsl/tragedy.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Ostrom
has refined Hardin`s work in the following way (quoting from &lt;a href="http://www.scottlondon.com/reviews/ostrom.html"&gt;a review
of Ostrom`s 1990 ground-breaking and extensively researched book&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;b&gt;GOVERNING THE COMMONS, &lt;/b&gt;The Evolution of Institutions for Collective Action):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Ostrom uses the term &amp;quot;common pool resources&amp;quot; to denote natural
resources used by many individuals in common, such as fisheries,
groundwater basins, and irrigation systems. Such resources have long
been subject to overexploitation and misuse by individuals acting in
their own best interests. &lt;b&gt;Conventional solutions typically involve
either centralized governmental regulation or privatization of the
resource. But, according to Ostrom, there is a third approach to
resolving the problem of the commons: the design of durable cooperative
institutions that are organized and governed by the resource users
themselves.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;The central question in this
study,&amp;quot; she writes, &amp;quot;is how a group of principals who are in an
interdependent situation can organize and govern themselves to obtain
continuing joint benefits when all face temptations to free-ride,
shirk, or otherwise act opportunistically.&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;The
heart of this study is an in-depth analysis of several long-standing
and viable common property regimes, including Swiss grazing pastures,
Japanese forests, and irrigation systems in Spain and the Philippines.
Although Ostrom insists that each of these situations must be evaluated
on its own terms, she delineates a set of eight &amp;quot;design principles&amp;quot;
common to each of the cases. These include clearly defined boundaries,
monitors who are either resource users or accountable to them,
graduated sanctions, and mechanisms dominated by the users themselves
to resolve conflicts and to alter the rules. The challenge, she
observes, is to foster contingent self-commitment among the members ....&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Throughout the book, she stresses the dangers of overly
generalized theories of collective action, particularly when used
&amp;quot;metaphorically&amp;quot; as the foundation for public policy. &lt;b&gt;The three
dominant models &amp;mdash; the tragedy of the commons, the prisoners&amp;#39;s dilemma,
and the logic of collective action &amp;mdash; are all inadequate,&lt;/b&gt; she says, for
they are based on the free-rider problem where individual, rational,
resource users act against the best interest of the users collectively.
These models are not necessarily wrong, Ostrom states, rather t&lt;b&gt;he
conditions under which they hold are very particular. They apply only
when the many, independently acting individuals involved have high
discount rates and little mutual trust, no capacity to communicate or
to enter into binding agreements, and when they do not arrange for
monitoring and enforcing mechanisms to avoid overinvestment and overuse.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Ostrom
concludes that &lt;b&gt;&amp;quot;if this study does nothing more than shatter the
convictions of many policy analysts that the only way to solve common
pool resource problems is for external authorities to impose full
private property rights or centralized regulation, it will have
accomplished one major purpose.&amp;quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;A
profile of Ostrom, who is a member of the National Academies of Science
and and Editor of its Proceedings, is here:
&lt;a href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1748208"&gt;http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1748208&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Her work can be found here: &lt;a href="http://scholar.google.co.jp/scholar?q=Ostrom,+Elinor&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;btnG=Search"&gt;http://scholar.google.co.jp/scholar?q=Ostrom,+Elinor&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;btnG=Search&lt;/a&gt; and&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;here: &lt;a href="http://de.scientificcommons.org/elinor_ostrom"&gt;http://de.scientificcommons.org/elinor_ostrom&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;One
thing worth noting is that the historical and ongoing records are &lt;b&gt;rife
with examples - such as our crashing local fisheries - where government
intervention has done more harm than good.&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp; In these cases and in
others, Ostrom introduces an analytical approach that is acceptable
widely across the political spectrum, even if differences in opinion
will remain.&amp;nbsp; See, for example, this discussion at libertarian-leaning
George Mason U:&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="http://www.theihs.org/bunnygame/"&gt;http://www.theihs.org/bunnygame/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=245899" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate++change/default.aspx">climate  change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Adam+Sacks/default.aspx">Adam Sacks</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Grist/default.aspx">Grist</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Elinor+Ostrom/default.aspx">Elinor Ostrom</category></item><item><title>The tragedy of the panicked enviro II; understanding the "tragedy of the commons"</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/29/the-tragedy-of-the-panicked-enviro-ii.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:40:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:245896</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=245896</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=245896</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/29/the-tragedy-of-the-panicked-enviro-ii.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;This is the first of several follow-up posts to my post &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/29/grist-and-the-tragedy-of-the-panicked-enviro-stop-and-think-about-whether-resources-are-owned-and-protected.aspx"&gt;Grist and the tragedy of the panicked enviro&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, where I try to clarify the institutional frameworks for understanding and addressing resource problems, in response to confusion in comments by others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/member/2745"&gt;cyberfarer&lt;/a&gt;
												Posted 2:58 am&lt;br /&gt; 27 Aug 2009
					&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;I&amp;#39;m sorry, but the &amp;quot;tragedy of the commons&amp;quot; is utter B.S. The Western
world has pursued a course of private property and has managed to leave
ecological catastrophe in its wake. The &amp;quot;tragedy of the commons&amp;quot; and
other simplistic market morality fail to understand the essence of that
which it seeks to moderate, the capitalist consumer market premised on
profit and only profit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The rate of exploitation and the decline
of resources, water, energy, fisheries, soil, minerals, etc., all
occured under a free market, private property paradigm. That is the
facts and the reality. Pretending it isn&amp;#39;t true and wishing for a
morality that doesn&amp;#39;t exist within the free market is juvenile and
counter-productive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The &amp;quot;tragedy of the commons&amp;quot; represents a
hypothetical situation that does not occur in real life. In real life,
corporations own, or vie to own, resources or access to them for the
purpose of extraction and profit and they seek to maximize profits
through economies of scale, that is industrial extraction methods,
drift netting, blowing up mountains, tossing mining waste into clear,
pristine lakes. The money is in the resource and when the resource is
exhausted they will move on to the next one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/article/2009-08-23-the-fallacy-of-climate-activism/edit-comment/222742/#c221812"&gt;TokyoTom
												Posted 1:38 pm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; 27 Aug 2009&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Cyberfarer,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Thanks for your comments on the &amp;quot;tragedy of the
commons&amp;quot;. Though you are way off base, you provide an opportunity for
deeper discussion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The tragedy of the unmanaged commons paradigm
is BS?&amp;nbsp; My flip response?&amp;nbsp; Go tell it to Gavin Schmidt at Real Climate,
who posted a &lt;a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/05/the-tragedy-of-climate-commons/"&gt;perceptive essay in May on the tragedy of the commons
dynamics that are affecting climate&lt;/a&gt; and global climate policy
coordination.&amp;nbsp;
Did you miss this and the relatively productive discussion thread?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Sure,
the Western
world has managed to create many environmental problems, but we`ve
largely cleaned up our own messes, haven`t we?&amp;nbsp; While it by no means
excuses our own faults, far worse environmental problems have been
created and are still stewing in Russia and other state-directed
economies, and it`s no coincidence that the vast pollution being
created in China and India are tied to governement-owned enterprise and
an inability of injured people to sue for damages or to stop harmful
activities.&amp;nbsp; And the great waves of extinctions created as man spread
around the globe tens of thousands of years ago can hardly be laid at
the foot of either the Western world or of private property rights (nor
can the collapse of earlier civilizations).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The
&amp;quot;tragedy of the commons&amp;quot; is NOT a &amp;quot;simplistic market morality&amp;quot;, but a
description of cooperation problems and incentives relating to shared.
open-access resources.&amp;nbsp; The tragedy of the commons and problems of
cooperation - and theft - are not even limited to mankind, but permeate
nature.&amp;nbsp; This perceptive article by Bruce Yandle touches on competition
in nature, and links the ascendance of man to our evolution of
relatively enhanced cooperation:
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/the-commons-tragedy-or-triumph/&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The
&amp;quot;tragedy of the commons&amp;quot; paradigm is useful to analyze, but the
paradigm doesn`t &amp;quot;seek to moderate&amp;quot; anything, and is just as useful in
looking at the ways Western nations still contribute to environmental
problems around the world (as I point out here:
&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/09/28/too-many-or-too-few-people-does-the-market-provide-an-answer.aspx%20"&gt;http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/09/28/too-many-or-too-few-people-does-the-market-provide-an-answer.aspx&lt;/a&gt;) as it is in examining:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;- environmental devastation in Haiti (which has little or no property rights, and vast free-for-all &amp;quot;government&amp;quot; holdings),&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;-
deforestation in Indonesia and the Amazon:
&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/24/capitalism-the-destructive-exploitation-of-the-amazon-and-the-tragedy-of-the-government-owned-commons.aspx"&gt;http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/24/capitalism-the-destructive-exploitation-of-the-amazon-and-the-tragedy-of-the-government-owned-commons.aspx&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;- pollution in China: &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=china"&gt;http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=china&lt;/a&gt;, and&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;-
crashing fisheries around the world as a result of government of marine
resources (producing free-for-alls and fleet subsidies) and a
free-for-all for other unowned or unprotected resources:
&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=fish"&gt;http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=fish&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;On fish, you might note what the organization&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;Defying Ocean&amp;#39;s End&lt;/b&gt; (cofounded by Conservation International, The Nature Conservancy,
Natural Resources Defense Council, The Ocean Conservancy, Wildlife
Conservation Society, The World Conservation Union, and World Wildlife
Fund) recently said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.defyingoceansend.org/fisheries1.asp" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.defyingoceansend.org...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;quot;Overfishing,
high bycatch rates, the use of gear types that damage habitat (like
trawls and dredges), and the large subsidies supporting fisheries
(totally over $15 billion per year) are all symptoms of an underlying
problem. &lt;b&gt;In most fisheries that are exhibiting declines in
landings and revenues, overfishing, bycatch, and habitat damage,
actions that result in the symptoms are actually rational given the way
the fisheries are managed. In these fisheries, secure privileges to
catch certain amounts of fish are not specified, so naturally
individual fishermen compete to maximize their individual shares of the
catch. No incentives for conservation exist in this situation, because
every fish conserved can be caught by another fisherman. The
competition to maximize catch often results in a fishery &amp;quot;arms race&amp;quot;,
resulting in the purchase of multiple vessels, the use of powerful
engines and large vessels, and the use of highly efficient gear like
trawls.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;quot;Most of the solutions that have been implemented or proposed to fix the world&amp;#39;s fisheries center on &lt;b&gt;command-and-control
measures: regulators or courts telling fishermen how to fish through
the imposition of controls on effort (e.g., fishing vessel length,
engine horsepower, gear restrictions, etc.). Prescriptions like these
work against strong economic incentives for maximizing catch, which are
not addressed by such measures, and are of course usually resisted by
fishermen. Often, prescriptions create incentives for &amp;quot;work-arounds&amp;quot;
and set up a cat-and-mouse game between fishermen and regulators&lt;/b&gt; - for example, if regulators impose a restriction on vessel size,
fishermen may purchase two vessels to maintain high catch levels.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;b&gt;As
in most natural resource problems, more effective solutions will
address the fundamental drivers of unsustainable fisheries. In this
case, the key necessary reform will be to designate secure catch
privileges.&amp;quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;You
say: &amp;quot;The rate of exploitation and the decline
of resources, water, energy, fisheries, soil, minerals, etc., all
occured under a free market, private property paradigm.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; This is
clearly demonstrably wrong, and draws entirely the wrong lessons. While
private property is certainly no panacea, neither are they what is
wrong.&amp;nbsp; Very often, is is governments that have been and are wrong,
though there is certainly some learning going on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;While
Garrett Hardin`s &amp;quot;The Tragedy of the Commons&amp;quot; certainly represents a
hypothetical situation, it is actually a very powerful analytical tool
for understanding and fashioning solutions to countless &amp;quot;real life&amp;quot;
problems. See &lt;b&gt;Elinor Ostrom&lt;/b&gt; et al., Revisiting the Commons: Local Lessons, Global Challenges, Science, 04/09/99 &lt;a href="http://conservationcommons.org/media/document/docu-wyycyz.pdf"&gt;http://conservationcommons.org/media/document/docu-wyycyz.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;In real life,
corporations own, or vie to own, resources or access to them for the
purpose of extraction and profit and they seek to maximize profits
through economies of scale, that is industrial extraction methods,
drift netting, blowing up mountains, tossing mining waste into clear,
pristine lakes.&lt;/i&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;What
you describe here is a conflict between preferences over how resources
are used.&amp;nbsp; Do you prefer a free-for-all, or a situation where those who
use a resource can protect it, negotiate with others who wish to see
other values preserved, and who are responsible for negative
consequences caused to others (not always a part of some property
rights systems), or perhaps a situation where governments make all
resource exploitation decisions?&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;The money is in the resource and when the resource is
exhausted they will move on to the next one.&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The
money is never in the &amp;quot;resource&amp;quot;, but in the ways that people can use
it or otherwise value it (and of course people also value pristine
environments).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=245896" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate++change/default.aspx">climate  change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Adam+Sacks/default.aspx">Adam Sacks</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Grist/default.aspx">Grist</category></item><item><title>Grist and the tragedy of the panicked enviro: stop and think, about whether resources are OWNED and protected </title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/29/grist-and-the-tragedy-of-the-panicked-enviro-stop-and-think-about-whether-resources-are-owned-and-protected.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:42:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:245892</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=245892</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=245892</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/29/grist-and-the-tragedy-of-the-panicked-enviro-stop-and-think-about-whether-resources-are-owned-and-protected.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;The &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;Grist&lt;/span&gt; online environmental magazine &lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/article/2009-08-23-the-fallacy-of-climate-activism/edit-comment/222742/"&gt;lent its pages this week&lt;/a&gt; to a pessimistic climate change activist, &lt;b&gt;Adam D. Sacks&lt;/b&gt;, former director of the Center for Democracy and the Constitution.&amp;nbsp; Mr. Sacks, echoing a despairing piece (&amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/article/beyond-the-point-of-no-return"&gt;Beyond the point of no return&amp;quot;&lt;/a&gt;) by &lt;b&gt;Ross Gelbspan&lt;/b&gt; in Grist in Novermber 2007, in a piece entitled &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/article/2009-08-23-the-fallacy-of-climate-activism"&gt;The fallacy of climate activism&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; paints a remarkably grim and obviously heart-felt picture about the prospect of unstoppable climate change and other environmental  challenges.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While we may indeed be irretrievably embarked on what prove to be a very bumpy climate voyage, it`s Sack`s policy prescriptions that are most startling. Here are excerpts of the chief points:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;In the 20 years since we climate activists began our work in earnest,
the state of the climate has become dramatically worse, and the change
is accelerating&amp;mdash;this despite all of our best efforts.&amp;nbsp; Clearly
something is deeply wrong with this picture. ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Climate activists are obsessed with greenhouse-gas emissions and
concentrations.&amp;nbsp; Since global climate disruption is an effect of
greenhouse gases, and a disastrous one, this is understandable.&amp;nbsp; But it
is also a mistake. ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The first error is our failure to understand that greenhouse gases
are not a cause but a symptom, and addressing the symptom will do
little but leave us with a devil&amp;rsquo;s sack full of many other symptoms,
possibly somewhat less rapidly lethal but lethal nonetheless.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The root cause, the source of the symptoms, is 300 years of our
relentlessly exploitative, extractive, and exponentially growing
technoculture, against the background of ten millennia of hierarchical
and colonial civilizations.
This should be no news flash, but the seductive promise of endless
growth has grasped all of us civilized folk by the collective throat,
led us to expand our population in numbers beyond all reason and to
commit genocide of indigenous cultures and destruction of other life on
Earth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;To be sure, global climate disruption is the No. 1 symptom.&amp;nbsp; But if
planetary warming were to vanish tomorrow, we would still be left with
ample catastrophic potential to extinguish many life forms in fairly
short order: deforestation; desertification; poisoning of soil, water,
air; habitat destruction; overfishing and general decimation of oceans;
nuclear waste, depleted uranium, and nuclear weaponry&amp;mdash;to name just a
few.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt; (While these symptoms exist independently, many are intensified
by global warming.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;We will not change course by addressing each of these as separate issues; we have to address root cultural cause. ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The second error is our stubborn unwillingness to understand that
the battle against greenhouse-gas emissions, as we have currently
framed it, is over.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;It is absolutely over and &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;we have lost&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;We have to say so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;There are three primary components of escalating greenhouse-gas concentrations that are out of our control ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;The most expert scientific investigators have been blindsided by the
velocity and extent of recent developments, and the climate models have
likewise proved far more conservative than nature itself.&amp;nbsp; Given that
scientists have underestimated impacts of even small changes in global
temperature, it is understandably difficult to elicit an appropriate
public and governmental response....&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Bitter climate truths are fundamentally bitter cultural truths.&amp;nbsp;
Endless growth is an impossibility in the physical world, always&amp;mdash;&lt;em&gt;but always&lt;/em&gt;&amp;mdash;ending
in overshot and collapse.&amp;nbsp; Collapse: with a bang or a whimper, most
likely both.&amp;nbsp; We are already witnessing it, whether we choose to
acknowledge it or not.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Because of this civilization&amp;rsquo;s obsession with growth, its demise is
100 percent predictable.&amp;nbsp; We simply cannot go on living this way. Our
version of life on earth has come to an end.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Moreover, there are no &amp;ldquo;free market&amp;rdquo; or &amp;ldquo;economic&amp;rdquo; solutions.&amp;nbsp; And
&lt;b&gt;since corporations must have physically impossible endless growth in
order to survive, corporate social responsibility is a myth.&amp;nbsp; The only
socially responsible act that corporations can take is to dissolve. &lt;/b&gt;...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Some of our most important thinking happens while developing the
problem statement, and the better the problem statement the richer our
responses.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt; That&amp;rsquo;s why framing the global warming problem as
greenhouse-gas concentrations has proved to be such a dead end.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Here is the problem statement as it is beginning to unfold for me.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;
We are all a part of struggling to develop this thinking together:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;We must leave behind 10,000 years of civilization; this may be the
hardest collective task we&amp;rsquo;ve ever faced.&amp;nbsp; It has given us the
intoxicating power to create planetary changes in 200 years that under
natural cycles require hundreds of thousands or millions of years&amp;mdash;but
none of the wisdom necessary to keep this Pandora&amp;rsquo;s Box tightly shut.&amp;nbsp;
We have to discover and re-discover other ways of living on earth.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;We love our cars, our electricity, our iPods, our theme parks, our
bananas, our Nikes, and our nukes, but we behave as if we understand
nothing of the land and water and air that gives us life.&amp;nbsp; It is past
time to think and act differently.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;If we live at all, we will have to figure out how to live locally
and sustainably.&amp;nbsp; Living locally means we are able get everything we
need within walking (or animal riding) distance.&lt;/b&gt; We may eventually
figure out sustainable ways of moving beyond those small circles to
bring things home, but our track record isn&amp;rsquo;t good and we&amp;rsquo;d better
think it through very carefully.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Likewise, any technology has to be locally based, using local
resources and accessible tools, renewable and non-toxic.&amp;nbsp; We have much
re-thinking to do, and re-learning from our hunter-gatherer forebears
who managed to survive for a couple of hundred thousand years in ways
that we with our civilized blinders we can barely imagine or understand&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Desperate hopes notwithstanding, there are no high-tech solutions
here, only wishful thinking&amp;mdash;the tools that got us into this mess are
incapable of getting us out.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;All that being said, we needn&amp;rsquo;t discard all that we&amp;rsquo;ve learned, far from it.&lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/article/2009-08-23-the-fallacy-of-climate-activism/edit-comment/222742/#edn12"&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/a&gt; But we must use our knowledge with great discretion, and lock much of it away as so much nuclear weaponry and waste.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Time is running very short, but the forgiveness of this little blue
orb in a vast lonely universe will continue to astonish and nourish
us&amp;mdash;if we only give it the chance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;Our obligation as activists, the first step, the essence, is to part the cultural veil at long last, and to tell the truth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wow.&amp;nbsp; It strikes me that though Sacks might very well be right the we have irreversibly embarked on a bumpy climate ride, are we to conclude not only that  the best solution is to abandon civilization as we know it and live as hunter-gathers, but that we can actually persuade anyone to abandon the use of energy?&amp;nbsp; Not only does Sacks offer no prescription from getting here to where he thinks we need to go, but he completely ignores the institutional setting of the problems that concern him (tragedy of the commons), and thus any discussion of potential solutions (fprivate or community property institutions). Certainly environmentalists may wish to start experiments in alternative living - this might provide useful knowledge or even necessary in dire situations - but unless such experiments prove that they can provide shelter and sustenance for the world`s population, they will not address the needs of others who will make their own choices, based on modern civilization and technology.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I left a short message on the Grist comment thread, as follows:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/member/1837"&gt;ATokyoTom&lt;/a&gt;
												Posted 2:32 am&lt;br /&gt; 27 Aug 2009
					&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;I`m with Dave, and more so.&amp;nbsp; There are no useful takeaways from
thise piece, because the author, while showing an understanding of
climate science, evinces no understanding of the institutional factors
that are driving climate change and other resource problems.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Garrett Hardin largely nailed the problem  decades ago - the &amp;quot;Tragedy of the Commmons&amp;quot;&lt;/strong&gt; that results when there are &lt;strong&gt;no clear or enforceable property rights&lt;/strong&gt; (private or communmity) that enable users to protect resources from destructive exploitation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;(Examining
the environmental nightmare of the formerly communist countries, the
resource abuse in kleptocratic developing countries, and incompetent
bureaucracies, sweet insider deals and poorly managed &amp;quot;public&amp;quot; lands
and fisheries have subsequently informed us of the corollary problem -
the tragedy of the government commons.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We understand both the nature of our problems, and the directions in which solutions lie.&amp;nbsp; Let`s have at at `em.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, I realize that we have barely begun to scratch the surface on addressing climate change; this is a tragedy of the commons problem on which it appears we can have only marginal impacts at best.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=245892" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate++change/default.aspx">climate  change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Adam+Sacks/default.aspx">Adam Sacks</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Grist/default.aspx">Grist</category></item><item><title>Evolution, religion and our insistence on a still undefined "objective" moral order</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/28/fun-with-self-deception-those-who-espouse-an-quot-objective-quot-moral-order-act-refuse-to-elucidate-or-act-as-if-there-is-none.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:48:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:245741</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>6</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=245741</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=245741</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/08/28/fun-with-self-deception-those-who-espouse-an-quot-objective-quot-moral-order-act-refuse-to-elucidate-or-act-as-if-there-is-none.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;I refer to my &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/search.aspx?q=objective+moral"&gt;previous posts&lt;/a&gt; on the interesting subject of whether there is an &amp;quot;objective moral order&amp;quot;, which &lt;b&gt;Gene Callahan &lt;/b&gt;broached in &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/26/is-there-is-an-objective-moral-reality.aspx"&gt;a May blog post&lt;/a&gt;, returned to in a subsequent post but abandoned, to be picked up but ultimately punted by &lt;a href="http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2009/07/problems-with-materialism.html"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Bob Murphy&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (and again by Gene when &lt;a href="http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2009/07/problems-with-materialism.html?showComment=1247833904006#c4973630999138246914"&gt;he visited&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2009/07/problems-with-materialism.html?showComment=1250485005061#c6632391301441162571"&gt;Bob`s thread&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;While I certainly agree that man has an exquisite moral sense, my own view is that that sense and capacity are something that we acquired via the process of evolution, as an aid to  intra-group cooperation, &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;- as &lt;b&gt;Bruce Yandle&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/the-commons-tragedy-or-triumph/"&gt;has suggested&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;- as argued by  &lt;b&gt;Roy Rappaport&lt;/b&gt; (former head of the&lt;i&gt; American
Anthropology Assn.) &lt;/i&gt;in his book &amp;quot;&lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;Ritual and Religion in the Making of Humanity&amp;quot;&lt;/span&gt; (which &lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/06/22/evolution-amp-religion-idle-hands-express-idle-thoughts-about-bob-murphy-s-determination-to-apply-reason-to-his-insistence-that-quot-non-believers-burn-in-hell-quot.aspx"&gt;I have discussed here&lt;/a&gt;) and - as I have recently discovered - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;- as &lt;b&gt;David Sloan Wilson &lt;/b&gt;has argued in his book &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Darwins-Cathedral-Evolution-Religion-Society/dp/0226901351/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1247172982&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;Darwin`s Cathedral: Evolution, Religion, and the Nature of Society&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I note that the NYT has recently run a &lt;a href="http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/02/the-non-evolution-of-god/"&gt;series &lt;/a&gt;of &lt;a href="http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/non-evolution-of-god-part-2/"&gt;posts &lt;/a&gt;on related &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/opinion/23wright.html?_r=1"&gt;topics&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In my view, our moral sense, rituals and &amp;quot;sacred postulates&amp;quot; (later,
religions) have played a central role in the evolution of man as a social animal, by
providing a fundamental way of ordering the world, the group`s role in
it, and the individual`s role in the group - thereby abating commons
problems both within and created by the group. The religious
lies at the root of our human nature, even as its inviolable, sacred
truths continue to fall by the wayside during the long march of
culture and science out of the Garden of Eden. While  we certainly have made progress (partly with the aid of &amp;quot;universal&amp;quot; religions) in expanding the boundaries of our groups, we very much remain group, tribal animals, fiercely attentive to rival groups and who is within or outside our group, and this tribal nature is clearly at work in our cognition (our penchant for finding enemies, including those who have different religious beliefs that ours).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I didn`t really kick off this discussion - why are Callahan and Murphy so reticent to describe what it is they think they mean when they assert that there are &amp;quot;objective moral truths&amp;quot; and an &amp;quot;objective moral order&amp;quot;?&amp;nbsp; (I can understand why I seem to have earned  the clear hostility of one them; after all I have proven by my persistence or thickheadedness to be, if not an &amp;quot;enemy&amp;quot;, then in any case not one of the august clear-sighted.) &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here are a few questions I left with them at Bob`s most recent post:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;-
Are those who believe that there is an objective &amp;quot;moral&amp;quot; order
asserting that, for every being - regardless of species - that there is
a uniform, objective moral order in the universe? Or is the argument
that there is an object moral order only for conscious and self-aware
beings, and none for organisms that are not conscious, or are conscious
but not self-aware?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Or is the argument that the &amp;quot;objective&amp;quot;
moral order exists only for humans, and perhaps someday can be
identified and located in universally shared mental processes, based on
brain activity and arising from shared genes?&amp;nbsp; Will such objective moral order still exist if all mankind ceases to exist?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Or is the
objective moral order one that exists for some humans, but not all -
depending on physical development of the brain as we mature (with the
development of some being impaired via genetic or other defect)?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Is the human &amp;quot;objective&amp;quot; moral order universal, for all individuals - of whatever, gender or age - across all history?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;- Is an objective moral order something real that can be tested for
despite the inability of a particular observer to perceive directly -
like beings that can`t directly perceive light (or like us who can`t
personally physically observe much of what technology allows us to)?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;- And
if the objective moral order is a part of the universe, can we apply
the scientific method to confirm its existence of and explore its
parameters, and to explain (and test) it with &amp;quot;laws&amp;quot;?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;- What are some of the parameters and laws governing the moral order?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I`m being self-deluded about the willingness of those who believe that there IS an objective moral order to explain it (and to evidence it in their actions), I hope a good reader or two will let me know.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=245741" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/religion/default.aspx">religion</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/evolution/default.aspx">evolution</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Callahan/default.aspx">Callahan</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Bob+Murphy/default.aspx">Bob Murphy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Rappaport/default.aspx">Rappaport</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/moral+order/default.aspx">moral order</category></item><item><title>Climate/Oceans:  A brief reminder to Ron Bailey that, even though models aren`t always right, the atmosphere and oceans remain open-access commons</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/07/06/climate-oceans-a-brief-reminder-to-ron-bailey-that-even-though-models-aren-t-always-right-that-the-atmosphere-and-oceans-remain-open-access-commons.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:24:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:229475</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=229475</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=229475</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/07/06/climate-oceans-a-brief-reminder-to-ron-bailey-that-even-though-models-aren-t-always-right-that-the-atmosphere-and-oceans-remain-open-access-commons.aspx#comments</comments><description>Ron Bailey , science correspondent for ReasonOnline , on July 1 noted in a Hit &amp;amp; Run post that &amp;quot; Models Aren`t Always Right &amp;quot;. I left the following comment, which I copy here since I didn`t see it post: &amp;quot;Ron, of course models aren`t...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/07/06/climate-oceans-a-brief-reminder-to-ron-bailey-that-even-though-models-aren-t-always-right-that-the-atmosphere-and-oceans-remain-open-access-commons.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=229475" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Ron+Bailey/default.aspx">Ron Bailey</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/climate++change/default.aspx">climate  change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Russell+Seitz/default.aspx">Russell Seitz</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Richard+Lindzen/default.aspx">Richard Lindzen</category></item><item><title>Evolution &amp; religion: Idle hands express idle thoughts about Bob Murphy`s determination to apply reason to his insistence that "non-believers burn in hell"  </title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/06/22/evolution-amp-religion-idle-hands-express-idle-thoughts-about-bob-murphy-s-determination-to-apply-reason-to-his-insistence-that-quot-non-believers-burn-in-hell-quot.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:45:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:225107</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=225107</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=225107</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/06/22/evolution-amp-religion-idle-hands-express-idle-thoughts-about-bob-murphy-s-determination-to-apply-reason-to-his-insistence-that-quot-non-believers-burn-in-hell-quot.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/06/22/evolution-amp-religion-idle-hands-express-idle-thoughts-about-bob-murphy-s-determination-to-apply-reason-to-his-insistence-that-quot-non-believers-burn-in-hell-quot.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=225107" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/religion/default.aspx">religion</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/evolution/default.aspx">evolution</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Bob+Murphy/default.aspx">Bob Murphy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Rappaport/default.aspx">Rappaport</category></item><item><title>Question at Bob Murphy`s:  can ending a tragedy of the commons create jobs / enhance wealth?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/23/question-at-bob-murphy-s-can-ending-a-tragedy-of-the-commons-create-jobs-enhance-wealth.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:42:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:153891</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>5</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=153891</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=153891</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/23/question-at-bob-murphy-s-can-ending-a-tragedy-of-the-commons-create-jobs-enhance-wealth.aspx#comments</comments><description>Check out the comments to Bob Murphy`s post that rightly but shallowly criticizes the &amp;quot;green jobs&amp;quot; mantra, EDF Summarizes Bastiat in One Picture . I refer to Rockwell and Block....(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/05/23/question-at-bob-murphy-s-can-ending-a-tragedy-of-the-commons-create-jobs-enhance-wealth.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=153891" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/commons/default.aspx">commons</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Block/default.aspx">Block</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/Bob+Murphy/default.aspx">Bob Murphy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/tags/rockwell/default.aspx">rockwell</category></item><item><title>Overlooked by those warmed by climate rhetoric ("alarmist" or "denialist") - the fact that our most important commons have NO property rights rules</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/03/12/overlooked-by-those-warmed-by-climate-rhetoric-quot-alarmist-quot-or-quot-skeptic-quot-the-fact-that-our-most-important-commons-have-no-property-rights-rules.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:16:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:101616</guid><dc:creator>TokyoTom</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=101616</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/commentapi.aspx?PostID=101616</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2009/03/12/overlooked-by-those-warmed-by-climate-rhetoric-quot-alarmist-quot-or-quot-skeptic-quot-the-fact-that-our-most-important-commons-have-no-property-rights-rules.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
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