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&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Some people in the movement seem to want to hold on to the
relics of the past as if their lives depend on it. I believe this is due to an
inability to comprehensively come up with new approaches to age old problems.
Of course, that is only a part of it. There is also the refusal to face the
reality of the situation, as it is now and how it has been. In some places, the
idea of a socialist revolution based on the precepts set forth by Marx may make
sense, but most places don’t fit the bill. Marx was concerned with the struggle
between to unique classes, the bourgeois and proletariat. I have heard
bourgeois applied to so many different people and ideas that the word has no
meaning any more. Anyone that points out the reality of the situation is
bourgeois. It is pretty sad really. It is no longer a prerequisite that someone
be intellectually honest. Honesty and intellectualism are shunned. And the
revolution is a failure because of it. Socialism has brought about more authoritarian
governments than the ones they attempted to replace. Marx already said that,
“The traditions of all the dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the
brain of the living.” He was an advocate of looking forward as opposed to
living in the past. It is time that revolution meant just that. Revolution.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ancient Language and
Modern Reality&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;It is important to consider history and the context within
which Marx was writing before we attempt to apply those terms and words to our
modern world. The situation today, though we can draw parallels, is not the
world of the 1800’s. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Wealth in the 1800’s was measured by psychical property. The
more psychical property, the wealthier someone was. Land ownership was
restricted, by law, to the bourgeois class that Marx was talking about. They
owned “the means of production” because the property and everything on it,
regardless of who did the work to produce it, belonged to the land holders.
These bourgeois claimed all sorts of rights and liberties with the people whose
lives they controlled. And all of this was enforced by the legal system that
was in place. There was no way to move from the lower class and it was
reinforced by the law.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Today the socialists equate the poor with the proletariat.
This is not an apt comparison. Yes, there are struggles to being poor. Getting
by day to day can be a struggle and the prospect of home or land ownership
seems like a pipe dream to some. But this condition is not necessarily imposed
by law. There are definitely things that the government does to maintain this
lower class, after all, one side needs the cheap labor and the other side needs
someone to point to so they can say how far we need to go. But the days of the
company or landlord being able to oppress them are long gone.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;There is a monopoly on land and how it can be used and by
whom. But that monopoly isn’t in the hands of the rich landlord anymore,
instead it is in the hands of the government. They draw borders and institute
programs that control the flow of people and goods and restrict ownership of
land that is not being used. The federal government in the US is the largest
single land holder. And I assure you, they are not about to let the productive
class claim any right of appropriation on that land. It is in this way that the
government controls the scarcity of resources and keeps the poor from using
their labor and mixing it with the land to create a life for themselves.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Scarcity&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The scarcity that existed in the time of Marx and Engel’s no
longer exists in this day and age. Yes there is a “class gap” between the rich
and the poor, but the ability to transverse that gap is no longer limited to a
direct uprising and “theft” of the wealth. Today people change between these
groups on a regular basis. The idea of redistributing wealth is nothing more
than advocating theft. The reason a large Marxist movement has never taken hold
in the United States, and never will, is because the conditions of scarcity of
basic resources do not exist. We have only ONE class that controls the wealth,
the government class. We don’t have a group of people starving and working for
their mere sustenance, despite the claims of some. There are not people dieing
of hunger in the streets, there are not great lords of the manor forcing people
to work their factories just to get by. Some people like to paint this picture
but it simply isn’t true. Again, there is an inability or a direct attack on
honest discussion, based solely on the need to create a struggle that doesn’t
exist. Without that struggle, the conditions Marx pointed out for the seeds of
revolution do not exist.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So we are left with socialist movement within government
institutions as the means of effecting the change from a statist society to a
free society. What do they create instead though? A regime that is even more
authoritarian than the previous one. Instead of creating a free society, they
create a society were all “citizens” are condemned to equal slavery. The idea
that the accumulation of power into the hands of these self-proclaimed
defenders will result in more humane treatment has proven to be false time and
again. Their actions do nothing to return the power of self determination to
the people; instead their programs drive the wedge between the ruling class and
the people deeper. They set the chains in stone, they make the whip seem to be
made of velvet and they convince the people to give up freedom in the name of
the “greater good”. There exists no greater good in society than freedom. Only
one class benefits from this relationship, the ruling class. Far from the
ruling class of Marx’s time this group uses their social programs to maintain
the illusion of a compassionate hand. The illusion is so appealing that it is
accepted by most without question.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Class Struggle&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;There is a class struggle in this country as I briefly
touched on above. Far from being the bourgeois class spoken of by Marx, the
current ruling class consists of the government itself. With a monopoly on the
land, the law, the money and the use of force, they are able to create social
and economic situations that seek to ensure that they maintain power. The goal,
no matter how altruistic they try to make it appear, is to keep the
hierarchical system in place, with them firmly on top.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So why do some people embrace this “collection of power”,
even if it is into the hands of a local council or group? The very idea that a
group or collective can adequately represent the individual is a fallacy. Only
the individual can and will work in their best interest at all times. This may
include appointing a representative for themselves, but only if the
representative is willing and able to make their wishes known to the letter.
That means for a society to exist each person must have their voice heard and
be allowed to make their decisions based on their own internal truth.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Any system that doesn’t recognize the sovereignty of the
individual is an enemy of freedom. Government, even on the local scale, is
still government and by nature is the enemy of freedom. It is time that we refocus
the class struggle from the economic angle and realize that the struggle exists
not between the rich and the poor, but between the controllers of the markets
and the labor. This was the actual message of Marx and one that seems to have
been largely ignored or at least hijacked by self serving would be gods.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Capital&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The favorite target of the old movement was capital. But we
have to look at what capital and wealth were in that day and age. It is time to
ask ourselves if the situations that Marx described at the time fit with our
knowledge of what capital is today. Capitalism has become the enemy, even
though the word is taken out of context and applied to an economic system that
it doesn’t represent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Every person is their own highest authority. No one has a
moral right to place limitations on what they can achieve, how they can live or
who they can associate with. The free person knows that their life has value.
Knowing the value of that life, they are able to make any decisions necessary
to sustain that life. Thinking and acting on those thoughts can not be
interfered with by anyone else, unless those actions interfere with the freedom
of another. Self ownership is one of the cornerstones of life. All other rights
are derived from the idea of self ownership. The state can only infringe on
that fundamental right, by proclaiming themselves the voice of the people. The
only person that can speak for me is me. Anyone else that tries to do it is
robbing me of self ownership. No government or group can come “close enough” to
holding my best interest at heart. No one, not government or a group or an
individual, can ask me to trade or act in any manner that causes me a loss of
any sort. That is an underlying part of self ownership. By nature, man will
always act in their own best interest; therefore transactions between people
are always a net gain so long as people are allowed to enact those transactions
of their own free will.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This is capital. Each person, their skills, their beliefs,
their thoughts, their actions, the fruits of their labor, all those thing are
included in capital. Simply stated, capitalism is a belief that an individual
has total moral right to all those things.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Instead of embracing capitalism, it comes under attack. I
have to assume it is from a misconception of what capitalism is. Just for the
record, we don’t live in a capitalist system. We live in a system that business
has set up, in collusion with government, in which exploitation MUST happen for
the system to work. From the worker being exploited by the owner to everyone
being exploited by the government, this system is evil to the core. This is not
the free market.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In the free market, you are free to make voluntary exchanges
for goods, commodities or services. These transactions are between two people.
There is no outside force that can be applied to any part of the transaction.
When the transaction occurs, both parties gain from it. The environment for a
free market to work in can’t exist in conjunction with a government that is
able to influence those transactions. Any criticism of capitalism that blames
the system for the actions of the government is at least ill-informed, at most
an outright fabrication.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;158 Years of the Same
Ol’ Song and Dance&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The failure of the Marxist revolution has not stopped people
from holding onto the ideas that he espoused. At the time they were
revolutionary, today they are tired and empty rhetoric. Marx never intended for
his work to become the bible of anyone. He wanted to provide a basic insight
into revolutionary thought and action, which he succeeded well at doing.
Unfortunately we see people have stagnated and can’t get past the ancient
slogans and movements. There is no movement today. There is nothing but small
groups holding on for dear life to ideas that many of them barely comprehend
today. The only remnants of that school of thought making any movement today
are unable to come up with a plan to get from here to there. They realize that
the communist society they envision can not come about through socialist
revolution, so they advocate and end to the state. But to what end? Only to
replace it with a new state when the old one is gone. Though this is a broad
generalization, it is easily seen within their ranks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;We have seen the rise of socialism in many facets and many
countries around the world. Usually leading to a depressing, oppressive end.
The nature of man is to work in his own self interest. We can not deny that, in
fact we should embrace that. To ever see real change we have to take into account
the nature of humankind focus our thoughts on achieving change with that nature
in mind. As soon as power is concentrated in one central body it has the effect
of growing exponentially until it is all inclusive. Without competition there
is no motivation for those in power to work in a manner that will insure that
their personal needs are met while at the same time working to be more
attractive to the persons they wish to represent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The inability of the socialist movement to get past the
dictatorship phase is well known. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho, all have proven
beyond a shadow of a doubt that total power concentrated in the state or
councils ends up in the hands of the most vicious perpetrators on Earth. Even
the socialist influence on other countries like, Great Britain, the United
States and Germany have shown that the aim of true freedom can not be achieved
in a collectivist society. Unless we turn away from the mistaken thought that a
small group can represent the whole of society, we can make no progress towards
securing our own liberty, much less the liberty of even the smallest minority
group in society, the individual. The only system that can achieve that is the
one were every individual is totally free to make all decisions regarding their
“self ownership”. Their property must be respected by all. The fruits of their
labor must be theirs to negotiate or trade with as they choose. We must realize
that there is no greater societal good than the freedom of the individual to do
as they please in all maters, provided they grant us the same courtesy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Problems and
Solutions to Distribution&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The problem of distribution of wealth has been addressed
many times. But the answers, for the most part, have been unsatisfactory. The
main reason for this seems to lie with the means of distribution. Only one
system has consistently proven itself a model of efficient distribution and
like it or not that is capitalism. When the individual has total control over
the worth of themselves and are free to trade with anyone they wish, on any
terms they wish, they can exercise true freedom. All transactions must be
between individuals or their representatives. There can be no outside influence
that will always consider THEIR interest in a transaction that does not concern
them. They will always influence those trades in their best interests, despite
what is in the best interest of the other parties involved. It doesn’t matter
if this is a large centralized government or a local council. If they are given
the power to intervene in transactions, their nature will require them to look
out for their own interests in the transaction over anyone else involved. Not
to mention the fact that giving someone, even if it is a local council, the
ability to intervene in private transactions is giving them the ability to
exert force against non-compliance.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The successful model of distribution will see that the real
value exists in the individuals and that their transactions will lead to the
betterment of the society. Just as freedom comes from the ground up, so does
economic growth.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Conclusion&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Today, to see any real change, we need to change our
language. What existed at one time no longer exists. Holding on to failed ideas
and slogans that mean nothing will not change anything. The most that can
accomplish is to keep everything “as is”. That is unacceptable to the person
that yearns for freedom.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;It is time to learn from the lessons and words of people
like Marx and tailor them to fit our personal reality. Not the reality of 19&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;
century Europe, but today. It is time to live in the present and bury the dead.
They are stinking up the place.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://nonamegroup.wikidot.com/"&gt;The No Name Group Project&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=5481" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/socialism/default.aspx">socialism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/communism/default.aspx">communism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/voluntary+exchange/default.aspx">voluntary exchange</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/Capital/default.aspx">Capital</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/Marx/default.aspx">Marx</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/free+market/default.aspx">free market</category></item><item><title>We Need More Time - The Collectivist Battle Cry</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2007/11/17/we-need-more-time-the-collectivist-battle-cry.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:05:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:3644</guid><dc:creator>IrishOutlaw</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=3644</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/commentapi.aspx?PostID=3644</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2007/11/17/we-need-more-time-the-collectivist-battle-cry.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I have heard it over and over. Excuses about why a
collectivist society has always failed miserably. I have heard it so
often that I have named it the &amp;quot;We Need More Time&amp;quot; excuse. &amp;quot;That wasn&amp;#39;t
true communism/socialism. If (insert excuse here) than it would have
been a utopia.&amp;quot; Well guess what, it wasn&amp;#39;t a utopia and its very nature
is flawed. Any process aimed at removing individual ownership of
property or self is destined to the same outcomes as Russia, East Germany, Cuba or China. Before any of you collectivists try to point to China as an example, you better think twice. China
has been doing better (but they have a long way to go) since they have
introduced more of a free market approach. The Chinese Communists have
NEVER exercised much control over rural areas of the country, of which
nearly the entire country is made up of. China as a whole has been redirecting their resources largely based on the success of Hong Kong, which we all know, was probably the greatest free-market society that existed in recent times. If you need more proof of China&amp;#39;s changing attitudes, look no further than the visit last year of the President of China to the US. Did he seek out his counter-part in the US government upon his arrival? Hell no, he went to see Bill Gates first, one of the most successful CAPITALISTS of all time. China has learned a lesson that you other collectivists have seemed to miss, your ideas don&amp;#39;t work. So, if you want to point to China, at least admit we know where you really stand.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; So the battle cry of the collectivists is &amp;quot;We Need More Time.&amp;quot; Well, times up. It has been tried. It is a failure. Get over it.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
The basis for collectivism is the divestment of capitol. The collective
ownership of property. The very thing that it seeks is its downfall.
Capital consists of ALL RESOURCES. Think about the automobiles you see
in collectivists society and use them as an example. Where are the new
cars, the new designs, the improvements in their production? They don&amp;#39;t
exist. Some people might argue that they don&amp;#39;t exist because they are
an unnecessary commodity. Than why do they continue to produce them in
collectivists societies (if those societies at any time were able to
produce them. Cuba
has a bunch of old American cars that they just keep working on.)? The
reason is obvious to anyone that is able to offer an objective
response. The need to move people from one area to another is necessary
in any society. To do that efficiently, we use automobiles. They still
exist in collectivists societies for that very reason. So why haven&amp;#39;t
they evolved from their pre-collectivist conditions? Because the
process of building them, the machines used, are capital. When you have
a business, the means of production represent capital in the business.
If your philosophy eschews capital, than you don&amp;#39;t give a *** about
the means of production. The tools used in production are of no
importance. As a matter of fact, you might pride yourself on having
older tools and point to them as a sign of your disdain of capital
(either consciously or unconsciously). And there is your downfall.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
As society grows (as they are likely to do) the amount of capital
remains static in a collectivist society. The need for production
rises, but the means of production remains static. Add to that the
(ever increasing) amount of resources necessary to maintain a
government (which despite any claims otherwise can never evolve past
state-capitalism, might as well admit it) and your left with a
shrinking resource pool, better known as LESS CAPITAL. Without
increasing wealth and developing capital, the needs of a non-static
society can never be met. The idea of &amp;quot;from each according to his
ability, to each according to his needs&amp;quot; can never be reached.
Eventually even the most basic of needs will not be able to be met by
the quickly evaporating pool of capital.&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So,
yell from the rooftops that you need more time. I will laugh at your
ignorance. You have had centuries to do it and it is an impossible
fantasy. Some collectivists societies bite the dust quickly, others
take more time, but in the end, the results are the same. Good luck
with that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="http://nonamegroup.wikidot.com/"&gt;The No Name Group Project&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3644" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/IrishOutlaw/default.aspx">IrishOutlaw</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/excuses/default.aspx">excuses</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/socialism/default.aspx">socialism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/collectivist/default.aspx">collectivist</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/anarchy/default.aspx">anarchy</category></item><item><title>What About The Children?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2007/11/15/what-about-the-children.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:25:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:3555</guid><dc:creator>IrishOutlaw</dc:creator><slash:comments>3</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=3555</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/commentapi.aspx?PostID=3555</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2007/11/15/what-about-the-children.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;h2 id="toc0"&gt;&lt;span&gt;First Thoughts&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OK, my first thought is, “Why do people keep bringing up the
children?” Even though I would have to guess that it is because they
represent something to most people. So what do they represent? I think
it is a deep rooted psychological problem that people have. They don’t
even seem to know it. First, they see children as helpless and in need
of someone else to care for them. That is pretty obvious and I doubt
that most people would put much effort into arguing about whether
children need protection or not. But, that brings me to my next thought
on why people bring it up so much. People are made to feel (and act)
like the government is their parent. They seek their comfort and care
from the government. Every problem they have, they look to the
government to solve. Every dispute they have, they look for the
government to settle for them. Every bump in the night sends them
screaming and crying for the government to come to their rescue. So
when someone asks about the “children”, I try to understand what their
real fears might be. But what I am going to do is try and take a look
at some of the most common cries on behalf of the “children” and see if
I can make sense of them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2 id="toc1"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Poor kids couldn’t go to school.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is usually an argument put up by people that have never really
seen any poor kids or been to any poor countries. I can assure you
though that if you go somewhere with REAL poverty, the kids are in
school. Education is an investment that most parents don’t mind making.
As a matter of fact, it is an investment in society that most people,
whether they are parents or not, don’t mind making. The idea that
education would be less important if there were no government is just a
knee jerk reaction to government indoctrination on the subject.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Early supporters of a government education system (by early I mean,
directly after the American Revolution), felt that the best way to
“indoctrinate” citizens to their views would be to start teaching them
to the children at an early age.
They wanted to pass on THEIR belief system and morals, because they
felt that they were the most enlightened and that people should strive
to be “just like them”. Most people that make the argument for
government schooling today think the exact same thing. They all have
certain goals and standards they want to pass on to the children. Never
mind that in the US we spend the second most money of any country in
the world on education and rank near the bottom as far as results go,
it is more important that the kids learn to be “good citizens” that
learn to bow before the authority of the state at an early age. It is
more important that they learn tolerance than learn how to use critical
thinking.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So the argument to me doesn’t seem to be so much, “Poor kids won’t
go to school” as, “Poor kids won’t act the way we want them to act.”
The two major political parties in the US seem to be like two divorced
parents. Both of them using the “children” to try and get at the other
one. In a world with no government parents, REAL parents will be able
to pass on the type of education they want to their children on their
own. It doesn’t matter who has money and who doesn’t, education is
important enough that there will always be people willing to teach and
children willing to learn.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2 id="toc2"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Poor kids wouldn’t have health care.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Poor kids don’t really have health care now. But that has not much
to do with the government paying for it, it has to do with the
government being all up in the middle of it. It literally takes an act
of congress to get the poor kids into the doctor. Than the doctor has a
pile of red tape to go through to get paid. Book keeping takes up more
of the doctors’ time than actually seeing the patients. And who
requires the paperwork? You guessed it, the government does. All this
extra work has to be paid by someone. When people are getting the
government to pay for it, we all pay for it. On top of that, it helps
the doctors set their prices on what they charge for their services. So
on top of paying for it in taxes, when someone goes to the doctor they
are paying for a service that is priced basically by the governments
willingness to pay for the service. As the cost of doing business with
the government (and conversely what the government will pay for the
service) rises, so does the price for everyone else, even those paying
for the service out of their own pocket. This is precisely one of those
areas that the government has done incredible amounts of damage to the
market by interfering in it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Today we see lots of clinics opening up. There have been medical and
dental clinics all across the US that have operated on a free or
sliding scale basis, but they are making a comeback. Doctors have
figured out that the best way to offer their services is to take the
government out of the equation. It lowers their cost of doing business
and it increases the number of people they can see. In the case of
seeing people for free, they are usually compensated through donations.
But the impersonal treatment “medical farms” give to their patients is
giving way to a more personal approach. This is very attractive to most
people. Lets face it, even with a government, lots of people (not just
kids) don’t have the insurance or money to pay for medical services at
the rate they are charged now. And despite the pessimistic outlook
people have of doctors being in it for the money (although I am sure
there are plenty), most of them got into the field because they wanted
to help people. The absence of government will not change the desire of
a certain group of people that want to help others out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2 id="toc3"&gt;&lt;span&gt;What about child abuse?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I could break this down into its many, many different categories.
Sexual, physical, mental, or just plain neglect, but there really is no
reason to do that. Abuse is abuse. It happens with a government and it
is likely to happen without one. The argument is that without a
government, no one will step in to help the children. They say that
private security agencies won’t have a motivation to intervene on their
behalf. All I can say is, BULLSHIT. If I know about abuse of a child, I
am motivated to step in on the children’s behalf NOW. What would change
just because there is no government?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For something to be done about abuse in our current system, the
reported abuse must come to light first. The same would have to happen
under a stateless society. Right now the government sends people over
to investigate the allegations. In a stateless society the abuse would
be investigated by a private security agency. How do I know this?
Because I for one (and I am sure most others would also) would only do
business with a PDA that included that service. And if it wasn’t an
included service of anyone of them, I would hire one of them to do it
anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The idea that the children won’t be cared for is just insane. I
don’t even know where people come up with that idea. Well, really I do
know where they come up with it, it is the load of propaganda they have
been fed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2 id="toc4"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Kids would be doing drugs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once again, kids do drugs now. Having a state or not doesn’t change
the fact. Some people think that MORE kids would do drugs than do now.
That could be, I don’t have a crystal ball to say one way or the other.
I do believe that only a certain number of people do drugs, it doesn’t
matter if they are legal or illegal. If the prohibition of alcohol in
the US is any indicator, we can pretty much assume that MORE people do
things when it is illegal than when it is legal. But regardless, there
is no reason to just assume that there would be more kids doing drugs
then there is now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2 id="toc5"&gt;&lt;span&gt;What about the kids that no body wants?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know that there are any kids that people don’t want NOW.
There are plenty of kids that are in foster homes or state custody, but
that doesn’t mean no one wants them, only that for whatever reason the
state has taken them from their parents. But, many of them seem to stay
in the system now. Most of the ones in the system end up turning 19 or
21 or whatever arbitrary age the government says they can’t stay
anymore and THEN they are turned out on the streets. With no support
system, no family to turn to, no religious affiliation to lean on,
nothing. Where do a lot of this kids end up? Back in the system, but
this time they are locked in cages to be kept away from the rest of us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lots of these kids are kept from going to loving caring families for
whatever reason the government comes up with. In some places, if you
smoke you can’t take them in, if you are gay you can’t take them in,
and on and on. Without those kinds of draconian prohibitions against
caring and loving for a child, I don’t foresee any more children being
homeless and alone, than we do now. More than likely those kids would
find a loving home and someone else will provide the service that gets
them together with that new family.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Something about a stateless society that sounds barbaric when you
just hear it is this; in a stateless society, people will be able to
sell their children. That sounds awful, but is it really? Think about it. NOW, if someone
has a child they don’t want, can’t handle or can no longer care for,
that child goes to the state. The chances of the parent ever getting
them back are not very good and many parents don’t even want them back.
It is a sad fact of life that there are unwanted children sometimes.
But IF the parents can sell the children they will have an incentive to
provide them for sell in the best possible shape. They will be
motivated to make sure they are well fed, without disease and
definitely not beaten and bloody. And since most people want babies or
young children, they will be motivated to get rid of them as soon as
possible, therefore removing the children from a bad situation even
sooner.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2 id="toc6"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Conclusion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of those things that make people uncomfortable about a stateless
society is their perception of how children will be treated. Whether
that is a true belief that children will be mistreated or a deeper fear
that they themselves will feel insecure without the government is hard
to see on the face of the issues. I would be willing to say that it is
a combination of both of those things. I don’t think the whole argument
is about the children, but there are things involving children that I
myself think should be addressed. Sometimes people are at different
points on their journey to a stateless society and this is one of those
issues that will continually come up.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://nonamegroup.wikidot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;The No Name Group Project&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3555" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/IrishOutlaw/default.aspx">IrishOutlaw</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/socialism/default.aspx">socialism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/school/default.aspx">school</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/funding/default.aspx">funding</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/abuse/default.aspx">abuse</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/anarchy/default.aspx">anarchy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/child/default.aspx">child</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/rights/default.aspx">rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/children/default.aspx">children</category></item><item><title>Quit Saying Public Please</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2007/11/10/quit-saying-public-please.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 06:38:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:3210</guid><dc:creator>IrishOutlaw</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=3210</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/commentapi.aspx?PostID=3210</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2007/11/10/quit-saying-public-please.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;It is interesting how much power is in that one little word,
“Public”. From where I am sitting, it is the word used to commit all
kinds of atrocities in the US. The idea that there is some kind of
collective greater good that can be imposed on people against their
will is implied in the word. &lt;span class="newpage"&gt;Private property&lt;/span&gt;
is subjected to the whims of special interest group’s because of that
word. Education and discipline are taken from the hands of the parents
because of that word. A feeling of subjugation is implied in that word.
What I want to do is take a closer look at “public”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2 id="toc0"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Public Schools&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The idea sounds good on the face of it. But what it really means is
“funded by everyone”. They really aren’t public. You can’t go down to
you local elementary school in your bathrobe and go check out a book
from the library. If you don’t have kids in the school you may get to
vote for school board members, but you have little to no say in
anything else that has to do with the system. Even if you do have kids
in the school system you have very little say. This is the local level,
the place were you should be able to exert the greatest control. But
instead we see schools that run from the top of government down. And we
get government results out of our school systems. We spend the second
highest amount on education in the world, but rank consistently low on
all scales that measure education.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We continually hear about how the “public” doesn’t get involved with
education. How they need more money, more teachers, more everything,
but truthfully, your input is not really all that welcome. We hear
about our school system failing and our future falling further and
further into doubt. The answer? More money, more teachers, more
schools. If you have pile of crap in your front yard, does it make it
less of a problem if you pile more crap onto it? That just doesn’t make
sense to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are some good and interesting programs around that are making
a difference and doing things that seem to offer a ray of hope for
education in this country, but they are not coming from the government
and they never will. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation comes
straight to mind. They have been able to go into some places were drop
out rates are high, reading and comprehension are low and a myriad of
other problems are evident in the system and to turn it all around.
And, they end up doing it for less than the government spends.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We spend an average of about $7000 a year per student in the US.
Private school tuition averages about $3500 a year. And just look at
test scores and overall student performance between “public” schools
and private schools and you wonder why we don’t just send all the kids
to private schools, save about half the money and get better results. I
know I wonder why.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, really, I don’t wonder why. The school system is run by the
government. It is really set up less to educate students than it is to
turn out “good citizens” who are used to bowing to government authority
figures. The schools are more concerned with instilling what students
will accept over what they know. One of these days I am going to write
more on this issue, but for now lets move on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2 id="toc1"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Public Funds&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When people talk about public funds or public funding, they are
usually referring to a pool of resources gathered at the expense of tax
payers. Lots of people pay taxes against their will and don’t agree
with the programs they go to sponsor. That is the first three strikes
against public funds and I haven’t even gotten into the concept of them
yet. Of course, unless it is against citizens, the government has no
idea that after three strikes your out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So what about this pool of appropriated resources? Is it really
public? That should be easy to find out. When is the last time you paid
your bar tab with them? Never has happened has it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Funds taken from the people are not public. Quite the contrary, they
are more private than your own bank account. When you get taxed, the
money is no longer yours. The goods or services the money goes to are
not yours either. The people that pay for goods and services are the
owners of those goods and services. When you buy goods or services,
they become yours to use of and dispense of as you wish. The money you
used to pay for those things was yours and you can logically claim a
right of ownership over not only the funds, but the property you
acquire with those funds.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is not how public funds work. From a local perspective you can
influence more control over were those funds go and how much goes to
what project, but the further up the chain you go, the further away
from the funds you get. And when you get all the way to the top you hit
another obstacle. Just because you voted or were involved in saying
where those funds would go and how much would be spent on the local
level, the federal level imposes all kinds of restrictions on what you
can do with them. Really, it is quite a racket the federal government
has been able to pull off. First, they take your money. They promise or
guarantee certain things in return. Then they take part of that money
and keep it for themselves. Then they give a portion of the remaining
money back and tell you how you can spend it. Its nothing more than a
scam, plain and simple. Advocates of states rights, though they are
booed down by the left as wanting to bring back slavery, are really
upholding a higher standard of accountability to the government. The US
government isn’t supposed to work from the top down, but from the
bottom up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2 id="toc2"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Public Roads&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am going to go camping on Sixth Street. I will just put my tent up
right in the center of the street. No one should care, they are public
roads. Then I am going to start me a little campfire, make smores and
sing Kumbaya. Ok, I am not really going to do that. It isn’t allowed.
But maybe I will just sell the street in front of my house to someone
else. Then they can own a larger part of the public roads. They will
have a controlling interest in the road system, because they will own
more of the public roads than anyone else. What? I can’t do that
either? I thought I was part owner, that they were public and I am part
of the public that paid for them. I must be crazy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At least I have a say so over where they put the roads, that’s
something, right. Oh wait, I don’t even get to say that. As a matter of
fact, if the government decides they are going to put a road through my
front yard, they will do that. If they decide they are going to put a
sidewalk next to that road through my yard, they will do that too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I like the idea and use of toll roads. Pretty soon, you won’t be
able to come to Texas without paying for the roads you are using. To me
that makes a lot of sense and I can’t believe anyone in the government
went along with it. I am going to talk more about roads on a later date
too, stay tuned.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2 id="toc3"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Conclusion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think it is imperative that we take the word PUBLIC and remove it
from use anytime we are talking about government. Let’s call these
things what they are, Government Schools, Government Funds and
Government Roads. And lets continue that and apply it to everything
that we have been thought to believe is public. Public lands aren’t
really public lands, they are government lands. Public airwaves aren’t
really public, they are government airwaves. Public buildings aren’t
really public, they are government buildings. If we took the use of the
word public out and replaced it with government, people would see how
all intrusive the government has become. Of course, some people would
champion that. Some people can’t seem to get enough government. They
want it everywhere; even in the bedroom (unless they are having gay sex
with underage kids, but that is another story). The left wants to work
“for the greater good” and take my money to help out a very small
portion of the population. The right wants to “protect my safety” by
killing people I have no problem with and keeping people out of the
country that I really like a lot. How about this, I will keep my money
and if I see someone in need, I will help them out. Or better yet, I
will give money to charities that help them out. And if I see someone
with an AK47 trying to blow up my house, I will keep myself safe. I
don’t need to give the government a portion of my money, so they can
give me back less, to do things that I am perfectly capable of doing
myself without them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://nonamegroup.wikidot.com/" title="No Name Group Project" target="_blank"&gt;The No Name Group Project&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3210" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/IrishOutlaw/default.aspx">IrishOutlaw</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/libertarian/default.aspx">libertarian</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/socialism/default.aspx">socialism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/funding/default.aspx">funding</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/anarchy/default.aspx">anarchy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/rights/default.aspx">rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/collective/default.aspx">collective</category></item></channel></rss>