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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>IrishOutlaw : nationalism</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/nationalism/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: nationalism</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Immigration - Again</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2008/01/19/immigration-again.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:31:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:11722</guid><dc:creator>IrishOutlaw</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=11722</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/commentapi.aspx?PostID=11722</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2008/01/19/immigration-again.aspx#comments</comments><description>Sometimes I am accused of hammering this issue into the ground. That’s fine with me. It comes up a lot among the different factions of the libertarian movement and, to my mind, has become a good measure of where people stand on individual rights versus...(&lt;a href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2008/01/19/immigration-again.aspx"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=11722" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/racism/default.aspx">racism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/immigration/default.aspx">immigration</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/nationalism/default.aspx">nationalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/socialism/default.aspx">socialism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/collectivist/default.aspx">collectivist</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/collective/default.aspx">collective</category></item><item><title>The Damning Mentality of the American Right</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2007/11/26/the-damning-mentality-of-the-american-right.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:59:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:4384</guid><dc:creator>IrishOutlaw</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=4384</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/commentapi.aspx?PostID=4384</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2007/11/26/the-damning-mentality-of-the-american-right.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:14pt;"&gt;Give Peace a Chance&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;It is funny that a word like “Peace” automatically brands
you a commie loving democrat to so many people. The idea of “perpetual war” and
always having an enemy to fight is so engrained on the American Right that the
idea of peace is a foreign concept. The real American Idol (at least to the
right-wingers), Ronald Reagan, is the shining beacon of freedom. After all, he
single handedly ended the Cold War, freed millions from communism, and stopped
an imminent nuclear attack against the US. All while lowering taxes and keeping
his hair perfect. Ok, I know this is a fairy tale and easily squashed and I
will probably get around to doing that sooner or later, but the concept of the
Cold War and the mentality behind it are what is important about the Reagan
reign.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Today the perpetual war idea has us locked into battle with terrorists.
Of course, there are other things we are doing battle with like drugs and
poverty. Even though those two things are out of the scope of this article,
they do play to the idea that we must be locked in a continual struggle for
“the greater good”. As I have pointed out before and I am sure most people are
already aware of, the idea of “the greater good” is nothing more than another
form of subjugation, either by the masses on the minority or by the
mini-tyrants of the state on us all. Invariably, the mini-tyrants will take any
grain of acquiescence and use it to their advantage, taking the natural good
will of mankind and using it as a bludgeon against the people.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Of course, as with all other things involving Reagan, this mentality
can be traced further back.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:14pt;"&gt;Roots Bloody Roots&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The roots of the eternal struggle, which is in essence the
perpetual war idea, probably goes back further than Hegel, but the application
of it as political theory can surely be traced to him. His theory was that
reality is only a creation of the mind, that what you believe to be true is
true, regardless of anything else. The second was that history could be
explained as an eternal struggle between opposing spiritual forces. The
struggle between opposing spiritual forces can still be seen today in modern
politics, especially in the United States. We have all been involved in the
fight, either against our will or with our approval, against both Godless
Communists and Muslim Terrorists. They hate us for our freedoms may be the
rally cry, but the slogans themselves denote the struggle as religious in
nature. A belief that America is founded as a beacon of Gods Divine Will, and
that will being Christian in nature, both lend credence that any disagreement
with the religious dogma of Christianity is a direct attack on the US. Of
course, no one just comes out and says this, which would be crazy and would open
up the person that says it to outright scorn. There are those that would love
nothing more than to see the US become a Christian Fundamentalist country with
the implicit separation of church and state done away with, but even those
people temper their beliefs in the politically correct speech of the day. There
are those too who do not notice the relation between religious belief and
political policy. Either out of total ignorance or just a desire to distance
them selves from the theological discussion, they choose instead the convenient
blinders of that will keep them out of the larger fray.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;These Hegelian theories were picked up and refined by
another philosophical giant, Karl Marx. Marx took the eternal struggle theory
and applied it to class distinctions. His idea was that people make
determinations strictly based on economic need and that the struggle applied to
the person’s relationship to their economic status in society. Instead of
reforming the original Hegelian ideas though, which may have been partially
what Marx was attempting; it added another level to the original theory. The
struggle not only included the spiritual aspect of being, but it also included
their very economic survival, a threat to their very way of life.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:14pt;"&gt;Unintended Groundwork&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The concept of the greater good and the eternal struggle
already existed before the Neo-Cons invaded the right. Eisenhower could rightly
be credited with expanding the notion to include the military as the tool of
enforcing the greater good on a worldwide scale. Of course, his use of the
military was aimed at stopping the spread of another Hegelian offshoot,
communism. On the one hand Eisenhower sought to “defend” the country against
the threat of “communism”, while at the same time he not only kept the New Deal
socialism instituted by Roosevelt, but he expanded the programs and made a
cabinet position to oversee them. He built the Interstate Hiway System to make
sure that the military could get to any part of the country, and this in a
sense lent an air of military interventionist policy into the American
consciousness. The idea that there was an enemy, right at our doorstep, was
easy to swallow coming out of World War II and the attack on Hawaii by the
Japanese. The greater good became the defense, at all cost, of the United
States from communism. He stated that the US was, “prepared to use armed
force... [to counter] aggression from any country controlled by international
communism.” Combine that with our Imperial allies losing control in their
colonial areas and the real threat of communism taking hold, especially in the
Middle East, where the Imperialists were losing ground to the Arab
Nationalists, and gaining support from the communists, and we see a pattern of
“the greater good” philosophy taking on a distinctly military personality in
the US.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Although Eisenhower added to the military aspect of the
idea, the eternal struggle had not yet taken on the perpetual war personality. Eisenhower’s
actions were hard to argue against at the time, although people like Louis
Bromfield, Murray Rothbard, Garet Garret and Ernest Weir were doing just that.
Of course, they were accused of being communists and anarchists and denounced
by many on the right.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The insidious use of “might makes right” and perpetual war
came after Eisenhower left office. If Eisenhower introduced the idea of
military necessity to the American mainstream, the Neo-Con movement found a way
to use that idea to their advantage. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:14pt;"&gt;Neo-Con Infiltration&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The Neo-Con movement is an interesting, yet oft ignored,
facet of American politics. Eisenhower’s continuation of New Deal programs,
combined with other factors, such as the waning of communist power and internal
fighting among the various communist factions, proved fertile ground for a
political movement in the US.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Disillusioned with the failure of communism taking hold of
power, by 1965 the Trotskyites had “renounced” communism and were looking for a
place to land. At first glance it would seem like the Republican Party would be
the last place for them to take hold, but they played a tune that resonated
with the conservatives in the party, conservatives already resigned to the idea
of the New Deal. The message was that the might of the US military could be
used to spread the American ideal of right and wrong around the world. Sold as
defending our country from the spreading threat of (fill in the blank),
conservatives fell neatly in line.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The movement gained ground with Reagan. In Reagan they found
a sympathetic ear to military intervention and growth. Reagan himself had come
from the left (having been called outright a communist by the Republican Party
of California) and his holding onto the idea of “the greater good” idea was
parallel to the Neo-Cons. They found in Reagan a “soul-mate” and they helped
perpetuate the idea that Reagan single handedly used the mighty power of the US
to overthrow the Soviet Union. The idea that the US had a noble calling to rid
the world of countries that disagreed with the “moral” foundations of the US
has proven to be a powerful weapon in the arsenal of the Republican Party.
Irving Kristol, often referred to as “The Godfather” of the Neo-Con movement,
in “The Weekly Standard” of August 25, 2003, had this to say…&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;“Viewed in this way, one can say that the historical task and political
purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican Party,
and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a
new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy.
That this new conservative politics is distinctly American is beyond doubt.
There is nothing like neoconservatism in Europe, and most European
conservatives are highly skeptical of its legitimacy. The fact that
conservatism in the United States is so much healthier than in Europe, so much
more politically effective, surely has something to do with the existence of
neoconservatism. But Europeans, who think it absurd to look to the United States
for lessons in political innovation, resolutely refuse to consider this
possibility. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Neoconservatism is the first variant of American conservatism in the past
century that is in the “American grain.” It is hopeful, not lugubrious;
forward-looking, not nostalgic; and its general tone is cheerful, not grim or
dyspeptic. Its 20&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;-century heroes tend to be TR, FDR, and Ronald
Reagan. Such Republican and conservative worthies as Calvin Coolidge, Herbert
Hoover, Dwight Eisenhower, and Barry Goldwater are politely overlooked. Of
course, those worthies are in no way overlooked by a large, probably the
largest, segment of the Republican party, with the result that most Republican
politicians know nothing and could not care less about neoconservatism.
Nevertheless, they cannot be blind to the fact that neoconservative policies,
reaching out beyond the traditional political and financial base, have helped
make the very idea of political conservatism more acceptable to a majority of
American voters. Nor has it passed official notice that it is the
neoconservative public policies, not the traditional Republican ones, that
result in popular Republican presidencies.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The idea behind the Neo-Con movement is still the same Hegelian
theory of a battle between good and evil. It has been ingrained in the American
political system as “compassionate conservativism” and everyone that wishes to
be considered a conservative in the current climate must accept the same philosophy
that Marx accepted, that there is a material struggle against evil morals that must
be won at all cost. Spending or military action are nothing in the face of the
overall struggle and nothing is out of bounds to achieve the goals.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:14pt;"&gt;Perpetual War&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So the struggle goes on against this scary threat that is
right at our doorstep. The Cold War is over, communism is all but dead, but
that doesn’t mean we are out of enemies who “hate us for our freedom”. Every
country that doesn’t live how the United States say they should, who doesn’t
accept our moral creed (largely based on a spiritual concept not shared by
others), will face the might of the US. Even if everyone loved the US, it would
be necessary to find an enemy somewhere. Possibly even to create a boogeyman to
go after.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Of course, with the US still involved in the struggles of
the old Imperial powers, empires that are for all intents and purposes are long
dead, we will have no shortage of enemies. The words of Ernest T. Weir in
&amp;quot;Leaving Emotions Out of Our Foreign Policy,&amp;quot; that he wrote back in
the 1954 still ring true…&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;i&gt;“(W)e have to accept the fact that it is not the mission of
the United States to go charging about the world to free it from bad nations
and bad systems of government. We must reconcile ourselves to the fact that there
will always be bad nations and bad systems and that our task is to contrive
some basis other than warfare on which we can live in the world.&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The sane voices have been calling for it forever, but the
crazies are in charge. The general “for the greater good” cry reigns supreme.
Not only has the right learned this lesson, they have met the left and
surpassed them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The people that speak out against the ideas of an eternal struggle
between good and evil, against the idea of perpetual war, of overthrowing dictators
and chasing “bogeymen” through the hills of foreign countries, will still be
called communists and anarchists and denounced by many on the right. But don’t
feel too bad, you are in good company.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://nonamegroup.wikidot.com/"&gt;The No Name Group Project&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=4384" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/nationalism/default.aspx">nationalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/Terrorism/default.aspx">Terrorism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/communism/default.aspx">communism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/war/default.aspx">war</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/Rothbard/default.aspx">Rothbard</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/neocons/default.aspx">neocons</category></item><item><title>Immigration Smokescreen</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2007/11/17/immigration-smokescreen.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:39:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:3689</guid><dc:creator>IrishOutlaw</dc:creator><slash:comments>3</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=3689</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/commentapi.aspx?PostID=3689</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2007/11/17/immigration-smokescreen.aspx#comments</comments><description>

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:14pt;"&gt;First Thoughts&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;First, let me say that when I say &amp;quot;illegal
immigration&amp;quot; it is just to differentiate the topic, not because I think
any immigration is illegal or in any way different from any other immigration.
My personal view (from an anarchist’s perspective) is that people can&amp;#39;t be
illegal. Every person born has the same natural rights and liberties and no
government borders can change that. One of my favorite anarchists was Thomas
Jefferson (people think I am crazy for calling him an anarchist), but something
he wrote applies to this thought. &amp;quot;We hold these truths to be
self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their
Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and
the pursuit of Happiness.&amp;quot; Those rights are for everyone and they don&amp;#39;t
come from a government, we are born with them. I think that applies to
everyone, everywhere. Doesn&amp;#39;t matter where they are born. The reason the
government raises and issue with illegals has nothing to do with them taking
jobs, or using welfare, or any of the stuff they talk about illegals being a
problem for. The money for those programs doesn&amp;#39;t come out of the governments’
pocket, so why would they care about it. The only problem the government has
with illegals is that they don&amp;#39;t have the power to tax people they don&amp;#39;t know
about. That’s it. PEOPLE that have a problem with illegal immigrants are very
upset and vocal about the problems they perceive them causing, but if you notice,
the government hasn&amp;#39;t really done anything to address their concerns, except
when it will get them votes. Politicians that still feel some obligation to US
citizens have tried to do things to address it, but it doesn&amp;#39;t gain much
traction. Partly because some of the politicians realize that, despite the cost
associated with &amp;quot;illegal&amp;quot; immigration, a simple economic principle is
in play. People are capital. They represent a real unit of capital. It is
ALWAYS good for a country to get more people into it. They stimulate the
economy, even if they aren&amp;#39;t paying taxes. The not paying taxes part is
probably the ONLY part the government is really concerned about. I don’t buy
the, “They could be terrorists” argument.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:14pt;"&gt;Beat Down&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I have to point out that government has a monopoly that they
force on the people. They have a monopoly over a bunch of things, but the
particulars related to immigration have to do with taxation, control of land,
and the use of force to require compliance. It is in their best interest (not
the interest of the people) to define an area of land as theirs and theirs
alone. The idea that we have private property in this country is really a
misnomer. The government can force anyone to comply with anything they want,
even though a person owns a piece of paper that says the land belongs to them.
They charge a yearly rent for that land in the form of taxes. They make rules
about what you can and can&amp;#39;t do with that land. And if the mood strikes them
and they think they can do something better with that land than the owner, they
can and do take it for themselves. So what does that have to do with illegal
immigration? The main reason for borders is to show the world where their
sphere of influence lies. If they fail to enforce those borders, at least to
make a showing (no matter how half assed), than they are saying we don&amp;#39;t really
care about this area or our influence over it. The reality than is that they
care less about who comes in those borders than who goes out those borders. I
mean, yes they are going to be opposed to other governments trying to move in
to that area and trying to assert force on the people inside them, but as far
as people crossing them, it is mostly in their best interest to have more
people to be able to exert that force over.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:14pt;"&gt;We the People?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;But, as you know some people inside those borders are
opposed to other people coming over them. I would say they have some legitimate
concerns based on their perceptions of what is going on. They know that the
government is going to force them to give up money to pay for stuff. They know
that people that come over those borders without paperwork that makes they
share in being forced to pay for stuff are getting a free ride for any of those
things they are forced to pay for and the newcomers aren&amp;#39;t. It pisses people
off, but they are pissed at the wrong parties in my opinion. I would personally
be pissed at the people who are exerting the force and are REALLY stealing from
the people, which is the government. If there were no illegal immigrants, there
would still be welfare programs. If there were no illegal immigrants, hospitals
would still have to see people that won&amp;#39;t pay for the services, because by law
they still have to treat people regardless of ability to pay. The illegal
immigrants really are doing jobs people don&amp;#39;t want to do, along with some jobs
that people probably would want to do, but either way, first come first serve.
Ask the onion farms in south Texas about the jobs that Americans won&amp;#39;t do.
Because of the rhetoric concerning illegal immigration, lots of people that
usually work the fields didn&amp;#39;t show up to work this last harvest. And it wasn&amp;#39;t
just in south Texas fields either; it was all across the US. Even the ones that
have come to do the work legally didn&amp;#39;t come this year. There were
advertisements looking for workers, paying in some places $20 an hour to do the
work. But the reality is that the work sucks. 12 to 14 hours a day, hunched
over in the beating down sun, usually 7 days a week. Most Americans don&amp;#39;t want
to do that, for any amount of money. So I don&amp;#39;t buy the &amp;quot;taking jobs
Americans would do&amp;quot; argument at all. The social programs that are being
taken advantage of will exist regardless of who is using them. So the argument
goes back to what the governments argument is, they aren&amp;#39;t paying taxes. On
that point I can only say, good for them. No one should pay their taxes.
Anything that is getting taken out of your check is theft, plain and simple.
Any other taxes we pay, illegal immigrants pay the same taxes. Any illegal immigrants
that are using phony social security numbers are also paying income taxes, and
that is free money for the government, because no one will ever try to claim a
return on it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:14pt;"&gt;Freedom of Association&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I think there is also a constitutional issue involved with
illegal immigration, even though I don&amp;#39;t hold much for the constitution itself
(which is a different topic for a different time). The first amendment says in
part, &amp;quot;the right of the people peaceably to assemble&amp;quot;. If you think,
like I do, that &amp;quot;the people&amp;quot; applies to all people (that everyone is
born with equal rights), than stopping people from assembling anywhere is
wrong. If you believe that the constitution only applies to US citizens, it is
still an abridgment of my rights if you want to keep me from assembling with
illegal immigrants by keeping them out of the country. But really it is all
probably a moot point.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:14pt;"&gt;Nationalism&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I think nationalism is the same as racism. To me this is the
reason, even if people don&amp;#39;t realize the reason behind it, that some people see
the anti-illegal movement as closet racism. It is about feeling that one group
has more rights or a better station in life, merely by accident of birth. With
racists it is by being born a certain race, with nationalists it is being born
in a certain country. Everyone is free to feel however they want and to
associate with whoever they want. But excluding people for whatever reason cuts
a percentage out of your possibilities. Instead of looking for the things we
think are wrong with illegal immigration, we should look at what is in it for
us. If the government is doing something that is unfair to us, instead of
saying the immigrants are taking advantage, we should place the blame on the
ones who are forcing us to participate. If social programs and taxation are
being taken advantage off, we should cut them off, no matter who is doing the
taking advantage of. Let us give our money to programs that will spend it how
we want, or lets us keep our money, either way. We shouldn&amp;#39;t be forced to participate
in things we think are scams. We shouldn&amp;#39;t be forced to associate or not
associate with anyone.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:14pt;"&gt;Blame Game&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;We do have a problem in this country and I think illegal
immigration makes it glaringly apparent. But it doesn&amp;#39;t have to do with the
people, but with the government abuses of all of us. We need to quit letting
the government shift the blame, especially when experience tells us that they
have no real plans to do anything about it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I don&amp;#39;t think people are ever illegal. I would never tell a man
he can&amp;#39;t cross an imaginary line in the sand to feed his family or make a
better life. There are some real issues that should be dealt with that the
immigration problem points out though. I could also probably go on for a couple
of more pages on private property rights and the difference between private
property and &amp;quot;public&amp;quot; property, but I will let it drop for now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://nonamegroup.wikidot.com/"&gt;The No Name Group Project&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3689" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/IrishOutlaw/default.aspx">IrishOutlaw</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/racism/default.aspx">racism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/immigration/default.aspx">immigration</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/nationalism/default.aspx">nationalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/illegal/default.aspx">illegal</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/anarchy/default.aspx">anarchy</category></item></channel></rss>