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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>IrishOutlaw : libertarian, IrishOutlaw</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/libertarian/IrishOutlaw/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: libertarian, IrishOutlaw</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Big Government Libertarians?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2007/11/21/big-government-libertarians.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:15:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:4091</guid><dc:creator>IrishOutlaw</dc:creator><slash:comments>4</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=4091</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/commentapi.aspx?PostID=4091</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2007/11/21/big-government-libertarians.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;OK, this is kind of off topic for my usual posts, I admit it. But, I have
noticed lots of Big Government Libertarians.&amp;nbsp;That is an oxymoron, right?
Well, any semi-intelligent person would think so; however it seems not to be
the case lately.&lt;/p&gt;



&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Because of recent (if you consider everything since Nixon
recent) political trends, lots of people that would otherwise be happily
calling themselves Republicans have taken to calling themselves Libertarians. The
ties to smaller government Republicans and Libertarians are pretty easy to
trace. You remember, the Republicans that used to believe in freedom and less
government, they used to “cross the line” on occasion and delve into the
Libertarian arena, only to end up back where they belonged later on. Maybe once
they logically followed libertarian thought to its conclusion it scared them, I
don’t really know. And really, isn’t that the disconnect, even between
libertarians and Libertarians? Yes, I used the big L and little L deal, sue me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I believe that the market can do anything that the
government can do and can do it more efficiently and effectively. But I have no
problem with people that have a hard time accepting private arbitration and
security. I think with the right intervention they can be saved. The
Libertarian party has always been fairly accepting of libertarians and market
anarchists, they are after all the ones that have developed the thinking and
theories that for the most part dominate and lend credence to the principles of
the party. Even if they are not one big happy family, at least they shared
enough common traits to be civil.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Enter the Big Government Libertarians. They seem to have no
problem with military intervention in the name of “security”. After all, a huge
military is what has made the US a super-power. Add to that the newer disdain
for all things immigration. Those “damn Mexicans” are stealing our jobs and our
welfare. The fact that their position lends credibility to the welfare state
doesn’t seem to faze them. Close those borders and save our country. Another
biggie for them is abortion. The government should by all means step in and end
this brutal practice. It’s like some twisted Oz like mantra, “Abortionists and
terrorists and Mexicans, oh my”. It doesn’t stop there though.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Drug legalization? They can see their way to possibly
legalize marijuana, but other drugs are a bane of a free society. Mandatory
auto insurance (one of my biggest pet peeves) is necessary so that people can
recoup their loses from irresponsible drivers. Gun control? Well who would
argue that citizens shouldn’t be able to own any type of weapon they want,
after all, we would have a bunch of wackos shooting up schools if people could
get any weapon they wanted. And of course, their hero is the late great Ronald
Reagan. Even suggest that he wasn’t the savior of freedom and they are libel to
go into nuclear meltdown.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Do they all share these exact same views? Not always, but
the majority of them do. Their current goals include changing the Libertarian
Party to be “more election worthy”, which includes everything from changing the
platform of the party to reaching out to decidedly non-libertarian candidates.
They have taken the name “Libertarian” upon themselves and turned it into
something that isn’t even recognizable as libertarian. To me the funniest part
is to see them discussing their positions in a group of libertarians. When no
one agrees with them, they claim the whole bunch of them are not libertarians,
just damn anarchists. Point out that the Libertarian Platform, pre-coup attempt,
and they accuse you of being a “purist” that is living in the past.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So why are these people flocking to the Libertarian Party?
Obviously their ideas are unpopular in the Republican Party and big military is
hard to sell to Democrats. The open style of the Libertarian Party makes a
takeover seem not only likely, but pretty workable. I think the seed of the Big
Government Libertarians takes their cues from the Neo-Con movement and its
takeover of the Republican Party. A lot of their positions seem to be similar
to me. They have killed off the smaller government Republican, now they have
their sites on the very limited government Libertarians. They have no interest
or time for libertarian thought. It runs counter to their goal of gathering
political power. It isn’t that they want to be free from the chains of government;
they just want to hold the whip for a while.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This coming year is going to be a telling year for the
Libertarian Party. They are faced with a mass defection of support for a
Republican candidate. They are faced with the Big Government Libertarians
infiltrating the party. I hope they always remember that the libertarians are
still out here and still sticking to the principles that have guided our
thoughts and actions all along. Maybe they can convince the Big Government
Libertarians to go back to being Small Government Republicans.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="http://nonamegroup.wikidot.com/"&gt;The No Name Group Project&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=4091" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/IrishOutlaw/default.aspx">IrishOutlaw</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/LP/default.aspx">LP</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/libertarian/default.aspx">libertarian</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/Republican/default.aspx">Republican</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/big+government/default.aspx">big government</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/Libertarians/default.aspx">Libertarians</category></item><item><title>Quit Saying Public Please</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2007/11/10/quit-saying-public-please.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 06:38:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:3210</guid><dc:creator>IrishOutlaw</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=3210</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/commentapi.aspx?PostID=3210</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/2007/11/10/quit-saying-public-please.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;It is interesting how much power is in that one little word,
“Public”. From where I am sitting, it is the word used to commit all
kinds of atrocities in the US. The idea that there is some kind of
collective greater good that can be imposed on people against their
will is implied in the word. &lt;span class="newpage"&gt;Private property&lt;/span&gt;
is subjected to the whims of special interest group’s because of that
word. Education and discipline are taken from the hands of the parents
because of that word. A feeling of subjugation is implied in that word.
What I want to do is take a closer look at “public”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2 id="toc0"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Public Schools&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The idea sounds good on the face of it. But what it really means is
“funded by everyone”. They really aren’t public. You can’t go down to
you local elementary school in your bathrobe and go check out a book
from the library. If you don’t have kids in the school you may get to
vote for school board members, but you have little to no say in
anything else that has to do with the system. Even if you do have kids
in the school system you have very little say. This is the local level,
the place were you should be able to exert the greatest control. But
instead we see schools that run from the top of government down. And we
get government results out of our school systems. We spend the second
highest amount on education in the world, but rank consistently low on
all scales that measure education.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We continually hear about how the “public” doesn’t get involved with
education. How they need more money, more teachers, more everything,
but truthfully, your input is not really all that welcome. We hear
about our school system failing and our future falling further and
further into doubt. The answer? More money, more teachers, more
schools. If you have pile of crap in your front yard, does it make it
less of a problem if you pile more crap onto it? That just doesn’t make
sense to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are some good and interesting programs around that are making
a difference and doing things that seem to offer a ray of hope for
education in this country, but they are not coming from the government
and they never will. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation comes
straight to mind. They have been able to go into some places were drop
out rates are high, reading and comprehension are low and a myriad of
other problems are evident in the system and to turn it all around.
And, they end up doing it for less than the government spends.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We spend an average of about $7000 a year per student in the US.
Private school tuition averages about $3500 a year. And just look at
test scores and overall student performance between “public” schools
and private schools and you wonder why we don’t just send all the kids
to private schools, save about half the money and get better results. I
know I wonder why.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, really, I don’t wonder why. The school system is run by the
government. It is really set up less to educate students than it is to
turn out “good citizens” who are used to bowing to government authority
figures. The schools are more concerned with instilling what students
will accept over what they know. One of these days I am going to write
more on this issue, but for now lets move on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2 id="toc1"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Public Funds&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When people talk about public funds or public funding, they are
usually referring to a pool of resources gathered at the expense of tax
payers. Lots of people pay taxes against their will and don’t agree
with the programs they go to sponsor. That is the first three strikes
against public funds and I haven’t even gotten into the concept of them
yet. Of course, unless it is against citizens, the government has no
idea that after three strikes your out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So what about this pool of appropriated resources? Is it really
public? That should be easy to find out. When is the last time you paid
your bar tab with them? Never has happened has it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Funds taken from the people are not public. Quite the contrary, they
are more private than your own bank account. When you get taxed, the
money is no longer yours. The goods or services the money goes to are
not yours either. The people that pay for goods and services are the
owners of those goods and services. When you buy goods or services,
they become yours to use of and dispense of as you wish. The money you
used to pay for those things was yours and you can logically claim a
right of ownership over not only the funds, but the property you
acquire with those funds.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is not how public funds work. From a local perspective you can
influence more control over were those funds go and how much goes to
what project, but the further up the chain you go, the further away
from the funds you get. And when you get all the way to the top you hit
another obstacle. Just because you voted or were involved in saying
where those funds would go and how much would be spent on the local
level, the federal level imposes all kinds of restrictions on what you
can do with them. Really, it is quite a racket the federal government
has been able to pull off. First, they take your money. They promise or
guarantee certain things in return. Then they take part of that money
and keep it for themselves. Then they give a portion of the remaining
money back and tell you how you can spend it. Its nothing more than a
scam, plain and simple. Advocates of states rights, though they are
booed down by the left as wanting to bring back slavery, are really
upholding a higher standard of accountability to the government. The US
government isn’t supposed to work from the top down, but from the
bottom up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2 id="toc2"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Public Roads&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am going to go camping on Sixth Street. I will just put my tent up
right in the center of the street. No one should care, they are public
roads. Then I am going to start me a little campfire, make smores and
sing Kumbaya. Ok, I am not really going to do that. It isn’t allowed.
But maybe I will just sell the street in front of my house to someone
else. Then they can own a larger part of the public roads. They will
have a controlling interest in the road system, because they will own
more of the public roads than anyone else. What? I can’t do that
either? I thought I was part owner, that they were public and I am part
of the public that paid for them. I must be crazy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At least I have a say so over where they put the roads, that’s
something, right. Oh wait, I don’t even get to say that. As a matter of
fact, if the government decides they are going to put a road through my
front yard, they will do that. If they decide they are going to put a
sidewalk next to that road through my yard, they will do that too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I like the idea and use of toll roads. Pretty soon, you won’t be
able to come to Texas without paying for the roads you are using. To me
that makes a lot of sense and I can’t believe anyone in the government
went along with it. I am going to talk more about roads on a later date
too, stay tuned.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2 id="toc3"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Conclusion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think it is imperative that we take the word PUBLIC and remove it
from use anytime we are talking about government. Let’s call these
things what they are, Government Schools, Government Funds and
Government Roads. And lets continue that and apply it to everything
that we have been thought to believe is public. Public lands aren’t
really public lands, they are government lands. Public airwaves aren’t
really public, they are government airwaves. Public buildings aren’t
really public, they are government buildings. If we took the use of the
word public out and replaced it with government, people would see how
all intrusive the government has become. Of course, some people would
champion that. Some people can’t seem to get enough government. They
want it everywhere; even in the bedroom (unless they are having gay sex
with underage kids, but that is another story). The left wants to work
“for the greater good” and take my money to help out a very small
portion of the population. The right wants to “protect my safety” by
killing people I have no problem with and keeping people out of the
country that I really like a lot. How about this, I will keep my money
and if I see someone in need, I will help them out. Or better yet, I
will give money to charities that help them out. And if I see someone
with an AK47 trying to blow up my house, I will keep myself safe. I
don’t need to give the government a portion of my money, so they can
give me back less, to do things that I am perfectly capable of doing
myself without them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://nonamegroup.wikidot.com/" title="No Name Group Project" target="_blank"&gt;The No Name Group Project&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=3210" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/IrishOutlaw/default.aspx">IrishOutlaw</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/libertarian/default.aspx">libertarian</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/socialism/default.aspx">socialism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/funding/default.aspx">funding</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/anarchy/default.aspx">anarchy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/rights/default.aspx">rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/irishoutlaw/archive/tags/collective/default.aspx">collective</category></item></channel></rss>