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I&amp;#39;m suprised that a debts rate of is calculated with the GDP. 
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&lt;p&gt; I know &amp;quot;every&amp;quot; does it. But if are at the edge of a canyon, and everyone is marching on, makes this march not less stupid
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Let&amp;#39;s translate it into our &amp;quot;world&amp;quot; (the non government world) So I&amp;#39;M living in Heidelsheim around 5000 inhabitants. Now what the produce can be seen as &amp;quot;my&amp;quot; GDP.
So let&amp;#39;s assume I have 100 000 EUR debts. But all i all the 5000 people would produce an GDP of 1 000 000. So my debt/GDP ratio is just 10%. According to this I guess my finances would be sound.
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But know we get back into  reality. I do not have access on the money of my neighbours. I&amp;#39;ve my income. So let&amp;#39;s calculate with an income of 25000. So I&amp;#39;d need at least 4 years to pay back all my debts. Would you think my financial situation is sound? Well you would ask what else does he have to &amp;quot;secure&amp;quot; the liability. So let&amp;#39;s be generous and give me 200 000 EUR . So in reality I&amp;#39;d just have 100 000 EUR (assuming I could make my property to money at an immediate notice) 
Still the question are my finances sound?  We still don&amp;#39;t know.
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Now let&amp;#39;s switch back to the state analogy. As we know states do not have a balanced balance sheet. Each year they need extra credit. Now let&amp;#39;s assume I&amp;#39;m one of the better one&amp;#39;s and just need 10% extra debts on my income. That means each year I&amp;#39;d add another 2500 EUR debts. So let&amp;#39;s calculate with an interest of 5%. So my payments currently are around 5000 EUR. Next year I&amp;#39;ve to pay 1375 EUR interest. No let&amp;#39;s calculate if I do that for 50 years. I than have a debt of 600 000 EUR (if I could bear at lest all the interest) and my interest payment  would be around: 30000. Which is absolutly impossible. So now you can say, my situation is all but sound.

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But now back  to the case of the government. Let us assume a GDP groswoth of the Heidelsheimer inhabitants of around  2.5%. So in 50 years we&amp;#39;d have a GDP (without inflation!!!!) of 3 437 109. EUR and my debt/GDP ratio just would be:
0,174565311 that are 17,5%. Still for states this is sound? 
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So I do not think that Debt/GDP is a wortwhile measure. We should just allow governments do calculate their debts with their income. Just imagine what 160% debt of the GDP means ... So I can not see how e.g Greece  could &amp;quot;bear&amp;quot; that and in fact it&amp;#39;s getting more and more obvious... they can&amp;#39;t....
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