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&lt;p&gt;If we are ever able to quantify the effects of pollution, we will still
need to establish the degree to which particular contributors can be
held accountable for those effects. It is important to recognize that
in many cases, polluting acts have happened, and will continue to
happen, over a long period of time. The significance of this fact can
perhaps be best illustrated by an example.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let&amp;#39;s say that on one fall day, three factories independently decide to dump some barrels of toxic waste into Tranquility  Lake.
There are no regulatory agencies to take exception to this action, and
the lake is no one&amp;#39;s private property. But the following spring,
Marlon, whose property lies along the lake, notices that the grass in
his back yard is not growing like it usually does. He tests the soil in
his yard, and finds it to have unusually high levels of a number of
unusual chemicals, which he learns are toxic to plants. He takes
measurements in Tranquility  Lake,
and discovers that the chemicals that are killing his plant are also
present in high levels in the lake. After a bit of research, Marlon
discovers that the chemicals are used in the processes that the
factories on the lake engage in.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He confronts the owners of the
factories, and being good, honest people, the owners confess to dumping
the barrels of chemicals into the lake, and apologize for the harm they
caused. They all agree to settle the matter in arbitration. The
solution that they reach is that Marlon is entitled to full
compensation for the damage to his lawn, including compensation for his
inconvenience. And because the factories all contributed to the harm in
basically the same way, the factories will pay the part of the
compensation corresponding to the amount of toxic waste they dumped on
the autumn day. Since Factory A dumped 1 barrel, Factory B dumped 2
barrels, and Factory C dumped 3 barrels, Factory A pays 1/6 of the
damages, Factory B pays 1/3, and Factory B pays 1/2. Everyone goes home
happy; justice has been served.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now let&amp;#39;s amend the example to
say that the lake had been contaminated decades ago by a number of
factories that had long since shut down. The pollution was not severe
enough that any damage to Marlon&amp;#39;s property resulted (or would ever
result), but the levels of the foreign chemicals were significantly
higher than they would have been naturally. Now let&amp;#39;s imagine that our
three factories show up on the scene and dump their chemicals. What if,
because of the previous pollution, the damage done to Marlon&amp;#39;s lawn is
more severe than it would have been if the old factories had never
existed? Should the three currently operating factories be held
accountable for all of the damage that they do?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One way to
approach this would be to say that the three factories should &amp;quot;take the
lake as they found it.&amp;quot; This is the approach taken by Robert McGee and
Walter Block in their essay, &amp;quot;Pollution Trading Permits as a Form of
Market Socialism and the Search for a Real Market Solution to
Environmental Pollution.&amp;quot; McGee and Block explain, &amp;quot;...one can
analogize the case of ordinary (human) trespass to the intrusion of
pollutants onto the property of the victim. In a typical case, the
thief breaks into the premises of the homeowner. Unbeknownst to the
intruder, the victim has a weak heart, and is easily frightened. In
this example the weak heart...amplifies the harm. As a result of the
trespass, the homeowner dies from a heart attack. Can the trespasser be
found liable for wrongful death? Yes, because of the doctrine of &amp;quot;you
take your victim as you find him.&amp;quot; Taking this approach, we would say
that Marlon was particularly vulnerable because of the peculiar
circumstances in which the factories found him, but this fact wouldn&amp;#39;t
absolve the factory owners of their accountability for the damage
caused by the dumping of the chemicals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, one might
object that in the weak heart example, the factor making the homeowner
vulnerable was no one&amp;#39;s fault. In Marlon&amp;#39;s case, the only reason the
damage was so severe was that other &lt;i&gt;agents&lt;/i&gt; had committed acts
in the past which put Marlon in a position of vulnerability. A case
could seemingly be made that the factories should be held accountable
for the damage that would have been caused in the absence of the old
factories&amp;#39; contributions, but nothing more. However, this raises a
significant problem. This approach would force us to either place the
accountability for the damage to Marlon&amp;#39;s property on the old
factories&amp;#39; operators, or to place the burden back on Marlon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The
latter seems unacceptable. The &amp;quot;responsibility principle,&amp;quot; suggested by
Talbot Page in his essay, &amp;quot;Responsibility, Liability, and Incentive
Compatibility,&amp;quot; seem to me a reasonable starting point for arguing why.
Page writes, &amp;quot;When A&amp;#39;s actions impose costs on B, A should be made
responsible by paying for these costs.&amp;quot; As I interpret it, A does not
need to be a single individual for this principle to make sense. As
long as costs are being imposed on B, and as long as those costs are
caused by A&amp;#39;s actions, then the costs should be paid by A. This is
clearest in cases like Marlon&amp;#39;s, where B is not a member of A. The
group of people including both the old factory operators and the
current factory operators imposed costs on Marlon, and so they should
pay those costs. To be honest, I find that so obviously true that I&amp;#39;m
not even sure how to argue in favor of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Accordingly, the
accountability for remaining damage would need to be allocated to the
old factory operators. For the sake of discussion, we&amp;#39;ll ignore for now
all questions regarding the burden of proof, imperfect knowledge, the
potential need to deal with &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/04/preemptive-compensation.html"&gt;preemptive compensation&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/03/monetary-compensation-for-future.html"&gt;any difficulties&lt;/a&gt;
arising from intertemporal compensation. These are all important
issues, and I want to deal with them. But first, I think it&amp;#39;s important
to ask whether it would actually be fair to hold the old factory
operators responsible for damage which resulted from the presence of
their (otherwise harmless) pollution in Tranquility Lake when the three
factories came along decades later to dump some chemicals there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The
first thing to notice about this example is that it seems to be the
outgrowth of something like a tragedy of the commons. The damage to
Marlon&amp;#39;s lawn is caused by a situation in which a commons has been
&amp;quot;fouled&amp;quot; to the extent where it is damaging property adjacent to it. So
perhaps if we figured out what the right way is to think about
tragedies of the commons, we could determine what to think about the Tranquility Lake
situation. Basically, the problem is this: the lake had some capacity
for absorbing pollution without causing any damage. Once this threshold
was breached, progressively more damage would be done to Marlon with
each additional amount of pollution. To steal a term from Tom
Athanasiou and Paul Baer&amp;#39;s book, &lt;i&gt;Dead Heat: Global Justice and Global Warming&lt;/i&gt;,
what the old factory operators did was &amp;quot;fill&amp;quot; some of the
&amp;quot;environmental space&amp;quot; which was available due to the lake&amp;#39;s capacity
for absorbing pollution without causing damage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a result of
the environmental space having been filled by the old factory
operators, the currently operating factories&amp;#39; dumping did a lot more
damage than it otherwise would have been. In order to hold the old
factory operators responsible for part of this damage, it seems that we
would need to establish that they didn&amp;#39;t have a right to fill the
environmental space in the way that they did. Otherwise, we would seem
to be led to the idea that they did nothing wrong, since they acted
perfectly within their rights, and (because of the responsibility
principle) we should hold the currently operating factories completely
responsible for the damage they caused.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So did the old factory
operators have a right to do what they did? Some libertarians, like
Murray Rothbard, think they did. In his essay, &amp;quot;Law, Property Rights,
and Air Pollution,&amp;quot; Rothbard wrote, &amp;quot;...if a factory owned by A
polluted originally unused property up to a certain amount of pollutant
X, then A can be said to have homesteaded a pollution easement of a
certain degree and type.&amp;quot; So essentially, what the old factory owners
did was to enclose a part of the commons (in this case the
&amp;quot;environmental space&amp;quot; that they filled) and made it their own. And it
does seem to me that this is what they have done. But does that mean
that their actions were acceptable?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As far as I am aware,
Rothbard believed so. The polluter &amp;quot;improves&amp;quot; previously unused
environmental space by directing it to the achievement of her ends, and
through mixing her labor with it, she acquires just title to it.
Because the polluter is using &lt;i&gt;previously unowned&lt;/i&gt; environmental
space, no one can deny her the right to do as she did. But this is a
left-libertarian site, and Rothbard won&amp;#39;t be getting away that easily.
Accordingly, I&amp;#39;ll try to figure out what to think about Rothbard&amp;#39;s
position as it applies to this situation, in order to determine whether
or not it gives us adequate guidance for approaching the old factory
operators&amp;#39; actions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The questions about Rothbard&amp;#39;s approach come from the heart of the left-libertarian paradigm. In &lt;i&gt;Anarchy, State, and Utopia&lt;/i&gt;,
Nozick wrote, &amp;quot;It will be implausible to view improving an object as
giving full ownership of it, if the stock of unowned objects that might
be improved is limited. For an object&amp;#39;s coming under one person&amp;#39;s
ownership changes the situation of all others. Whereas previously they
were at liberty...to use the object, they now no longer are. This
change in the situation of others (by removing their liberty to act on
a previously unowned object) need not worsen their situation. If I
appropriate a grain of sand from Coney  Island, no one else may now do as they will with &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt;
grain of sand. But there are plenty of other grains of sand left for
them to do the same with. Or if not grains of sand, then other
things...The crucial point is whether is whether appropriation of an
unowned object worsens the situation of others.&amp;quot; In the case of any
scarce resource, it seems fair to say that any appropriating act has
the potential to make others worse off. But more precisely, the crucial
point is whether the appropriating act makes others worse off in a way
that infringes upon their &lt;i&gt;rights&lt;/i&gt;. Merely making someone worse
off does not violate their rights; I am made worse off when a girl at a
bar declines to kiss me. We must examine what people are &lt;i&gt;entitled to&lt;/i&gt; in order to resolve the question of whether an act of appropriation is justified.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And as far as Rothbard is concerned, no one is made worse off &lt;i&gt;in a morally relevant sense&lt;/i&gt; by the appropriation of an &lt;i&gt;unowned&lt;/i&gt;
object. The path of the reasoning arriving at this view is easy enough
to spell out. In the case of an unowned object (such as the
environmental space in our example) no one has yet &amp;quot;mixed&amp;quot; any labor
with the object. Because Rothbard ostensibly believes that our claims
to property originate in our mixing our labor with unowned objects
(this is taken from Locke), it seems reasonable to say that no one has
any property rights involving objects that have not had any labor mixed
with them. But as Peter Vallentyne writes in his introduction to &lt;i&gt;Left-Libertarianism and Its Critics: The Contemporary Debate&lt;/i&gt;, &amp;quot;Libertarianism (both left and right) construes basic individual rights as &lt;i&gt;property&lt;/i&gt;
rights.&amp;quot; So if no one has property rights in these unowned objects, and
property rights are the only kind of rights there are, then no one&amp;#39;s
rights are violated by appropriation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my view, something
seems to be missing here. For example, let&amp;#39;s say that in order to
survive, the individuals living around the lake needed to pollute it to
some degree. Let&amp;#39;s further stipulate that if not for the old factory
operators, this level of pollution would never produce any damage.
According to Rothbard&amp;#39;s approach, if Marlon&amp;#39;s lawn ended up damaged by
the pollution in the lake, the people to be held accountable for the
damage are the people polluting the lake to survive. But it seems to me
that the people responsible are the old factory operators, who (we
might suppose) did not &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; to pollute the lake in order to survive.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This
idea is captured by Stephen Gardiner in his essay, &amp;quot;A Perfect Moral
Storm: Climate Change, Intergenerational Ethics and the Problem of
Moral Corruption,&amp;quot; when he wrote, &amp;quot;One way in which a generation may
act badly is if it puts in place a set of future circumstances that
make it morally required for its successors (and perhaps even itself)
to make other generations suffer either unnecessary, or at least more
than would otherwise be the case.&amp;quot; I think Gardiner oversteps his
intentions when he uses the term &amp;quot;morally required,&amp;quot; but what he has in
mind is clear. If in the pursuit of some &amp;quot;sufficient&amp;quot; standard of
living, people needed to pollute the lake, then in some sense we would
feel sympathy for them, and consider their actions to be morally
permissible. If the old factory operators made it the case that these
actions would harm others, where they would not have ordinarily, then
the factory operators have done something wrong. It seems to me that
because Rothbard&amp;#39;s account cannot capture this notion, there is
something wrong with it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what exactly is Rothbard&amp;rsquo;s principle missing?&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If we are to hold the old factory operators accountable, we need to know.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This
is because there is an important disanalogy between a case where people
need to pollute the lake to survive and the case which we have been
working with, where the three currently operating factories did not &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; to pollute in any similar way.  The reasons &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;why&lt;/span&gt; we disagree with Rothbard will determine what we think about the old factory operators&amp;#39; actions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We
have several options. The first is an extremely strict proviso: It is
illegitimate to appropriate any resource without leaving as much of
that resource (or a costlessly available substitute) as there was when
you got there. Under this criterion, by depleting the natural store of
environmental space embodied by Tranquility Lake, and not putting the
lake back into its former state afterwards, the old factory operators
acted wrongly. Accordingly, it might seem reasonable to put them on the
hook for the damage caused by the depleted state of the lake.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The
other end of the spectrum would be a very weak proviso: It is
illegitimate to appropriate any resource without leaving enough of that
resource to allow others to satisfy their basic needs. In this
instance, the old factory operators wouldn&amp;#39;t be in the wrong at all.
The three currently-operating factories didn&amp;#39;t &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;need&lt;/span&gt;
to dump in lake, and so the old factory operators did nothing wrong by
using the resource. The accountability, then, would rest squarely on
the three factories which acted most recently.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the middle,
there are a number of other provisos which warrant consideration. For
one: It is illegitimate to appropriate any resource without leaving
enough so that others had the opportunity attain the same level of
wellbeing (&lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2007/12/otsukas-theory-of-appropriation.html"&gt;I dispute this elsewhere&lt;/a&gt;).
Or another: It is illegitimate to appropriate any resource without
leaving behind something of equal value as what you took (I don&amp;#39;t like
this one either; I can&amp;#39;t think of any coherent theory of value which
would make it work).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally, I think the most plausible of these accounts is the weak proviso.  If my appropriation makes it so that others &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;can&amp;#39;t&lt;/span&gt;
satisfy their basic interests without harming others, then I think it&amp;#39;s
fair to say that I should be accountable for the damage (assuming that
I didn&amp;#39;t &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;need&lt;/span&gt; to appropriate
what I did). But if my appropriation just makes it so that others have
to figure out some perfectly feasible alternative course of action in
order to avoid harming others, then I don&amp;#39;t see why I should be
accountable if they choose the harmful alternative.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Accordingly,
it seems we can say that in Marlon&amp;#39;s case, the accountability rests
solely on the three factories&amp;#39; operators, even though the damage caused
by their acts was amplified by the polluting activities of the old
factories. Because they didn&amp;#39;t need to pollute in any morally relevant
sense, they should bear the burden of any costs imposed on others by
their actions. I think I&amp;#39;m happy with that, so I&amp;#39;ll stop there.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=26093" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx">Property Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Appropriation+and+Environmentalism/default.aspx">Appropriation and Environmentalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Opportunity/default.aspx">Opportunity</category></item><item><title>Is There a Right to Culture?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/04/03/is-there-a-right-to-culture.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:52:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:25179</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>5</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=25179</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/04/03/is-there-a-right-to-culture.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;[Cross-posted on the &lt;a class="null" href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Last week I had a conversation with my thesis advisor, Dr. Harry Brighouse, in which we discussed an interesting idea which I think might prove important in one way or another, and which I think is worthy of elaboration here. The idea was that a big part of what people are concerned about in discussing climate change is that members of certain social groups will be deprived of the opportunity to integrate themselves into the societies in which they were raised, as a result of changes in the physical context in which those societies were able to flourish.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To illustrate, we might travel to Bangladesh several decades in the future. In my imaginary scenario, sea levels are rising around the low-lying country, and the property of the locals is suffering considerable damage. However, because I am the master of this imaginary scenario, I&amp;#39;ll stipulate that we have fully compensated all of these property owners for the damage done to them (regardless of whether or not they would actually be entitled to this compensation). So everyone whose property is damaged by climate change is fine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But imagine that there is a child, Nadia, who has grown up in Bangladesh and is beginning to plan a life for herself. Perhaps it would be possible for Nadia to live in Bangladesh, but with the environmental damage being done to the area, perhaps it would be unfeasible for her to do so. It&amp;#39;s not that she has such great opportunities elsewhere, but rather that the prospect of living a good life in Bangladesh looks bleak. Accordingly, the best choice for Nadia and her peers might be to assimilate into another culture which would offer a more promising future. Would Nadia have been deprived of something to which she was entitled?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have stipulated that Nadia owned no property which was damaged, or that if she did, she was fully compensated for it. Further, we have stipulated that Nadia had not yet even chosen a profession, or settled down anywhere. She was simply deciding what she wanted for her life, and she saw that Bangladesh offered scarce opportunities for the kind of future she envisioned for herself. Given the way we normally think about rights violations, it doesn&amp;#39;t seem like we have wronged Nadia in any real way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But at the same time, I can see why Nadia would offer an objection. She might say that as a Bangladeshi, she would have wanted to be integrated into Bangladeshi society. Now, as a result of the effects of climate change, it will be extremely difficult for her to make that happen. Nadia&amp;#39;s claim, then, would seem to be that she had some kind of right which is infringed by other people making it difficult or impossible for her to become a part of the culture of her upbringing. And it does seem like a good portion of the concern aimed at climate change is directed at the idea that we would be infringing this kind of right by contributing to a state of affairs in which Nadia is forced to find a way of life which does not reflect her native culture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&amp;#39;s easy to sympathize with Nadia, and see how she would be frustrated by the state of affairs in which she finds herself. But does Nadia have any right like this? Do we act impermissibly when we put Nadia in this position?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/03/climate-change-vanishing-lifestyles-and.html"&gt;&lt;font color="#666699"&gt;a previous post&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, I discussed the possibility that in cases involving inheritances, the would-be inheritors of some valuable object might claim injustice if that object were damaged or destroyed, even if the person or people who owned that object at the time of its destruction were compensated. I said that while I understood why someone might see things that way, it would seem to go very much against the way we normally think about property rights, and I wasn&amp;#39;t sure I could defend the position. However, I didn&amp;#39;t think that the problem could be dismissed as easily as that, because there was something intuitively reasonable about the objection. But I&amp;#39;m not dealing with that issue here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In our story, Nadia isn&amp;#39;t inheriting any property. Therefore, we avoid all of the problems associated with Akiko&amp;#39;s case in the other post. Here, we&amp;#39;re dealing with a particular right not to an object, but to a kind of opportunity which is being denied to Nadia. Namely, the opportunity to become a member of the culture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But in spite of the differences between Nadia&amp;#39;s case and Akiko&amp;#39;s case, I want to reintroduce an example I used in the previous post:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;...we might point out that the above case sounds a lot like a story where an agrarian community is &amp;quot;destroyed&amp;quot; by industrialization and mass production. Small scale family farms can&amp;#39;t keep up with the low prices generated by the advanced practices of a local agribusiness concern, and can no longer support their old way of life. It&amp;#39;s a sad story, but we wouldn&amp;#39;t want to claim that any injustice has occurred. Perhaps as a society, we would want to help these farmers get back on their feet and find a new place in the market. But we wouldn&amp;#39;t want to blame the agribusiness for doing something wrong.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that if I were the offspring of one of the small scale farmers, I might feel frustration towards the agribusiness, but I would have no legitimate claim against them. So if we&amp;#39;re going to attribute to Nadia the kind of right we&amp;#39;re talking about here, we need to give some reason for thinking that Nadia&amp;#39;s situation is fundamentally different from the industrialization case. In the earlier post, I pointed out that the small scale farmers&amp;#39; frustration is the result of relying on something which they never had any right to: the support of their customers. But the source of Nadia&amp;#39;s frustration is less clear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We might say that Nadia simply wants to be offerred an appealing job in the location in which she wants to work, and a place to live which matches what she hoped for. If we phrase Nadia&amp;#39;s frustration this way, then it is clear that she has no right to these things, as they too require something of others. But this seems unfair to Nadia&amp;#39;s case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that Nadia&amp;#39;s objection is more holistic in nature. She sees her cultural community as a distinct entity, to which we could coherently apply the concepts of stability and integrity. When healthy and vital, that community would provide her with a range of opportunities to try to make a life for herself &lt;em&gt;without any active facilitation by any members of the community&lt;/em&gt;. Certainly she could choose to pursue other opportunities, and this would not be a problem for anyone. But the option would be available to her if she wanted it. By causing climate change, we degrade Nadia&amp;#39;s community, and diminish her opportunities. Nadia&amp;#39;s objection seems to be that the degradation of her community, which is the result of the actions of those who contributed to climate change, represents a wrong done to her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is an interesting idea,&amp;nbsp;but is not one which I know how to handle.&amp;nbsp; I think it would be best to take some time to digest it. So having set up this discussion, I&amp;#39;ll leave settling it for another time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=25179" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx">Property Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Appropriation+and+Environmentalism/default.aspx">Appropriation and Environmentalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Opportunity/default.aspx">Opportunity</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Lifestyles/default.aspx">Lifestyles</category></item><item><title>Climate Change, Vanishing Lifestyles, and Children</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/25/climate-change-vanishing-lifestyles-and-children.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:56:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:23664</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=23664</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/25/climate-change-vanishing-lifestyles-and-children.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a class="" href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So in &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/03/climate-change-and-getting-out-of-way.html"&gt;&lt;font color="#6699cc"&gt;a previous post&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, I discussed a case in which rising sea levels, resulting from a warming of the Earth, caused the salinization of a Bangladeshi farmer&amp;#39;s land, so that he could no longer grow rice on it in the way to which he was accustomed. I concluded that as the owner of the land, with full property rights, he should be entitled to compensation for any damage done to him by those contributing to climate change. And it seems like this could be extended to any member of the contributors&amp;#39; generation who were harmed by climate change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But costs associated with climate change will not only be incurred by individuals who are alive now, they will be realized by future people as well. The nature of the cost to future people, however, is less clear than the nature of the costs to existing people. This post will explore a sort of impact which seems to be central to people&amp;#39;s concern about climate change, but which is difficult to deal with in the framework of human rights. Namely, many communities will be impacted in a way that makes it difficult for them to continue their cultural existence, making it necessary for the children of those cultures to find fundamentally different ways of living.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, indigenous communities in Africa will see progressively more significant alterations to their natural setting as the climate continues to change. Plants and animals which were once prevalent in the region will no longer be fit for survival there, and new species will move in. Knowledge developed over centuries will no longer be effective. Being ill adapted for life in a fundamentally different climate, it is conceivable that these communities will be unable to survive in the manner in which they have for countless generations. They would have to find a new way to live.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What do we say about this? It is clear that a great number of people are concerned about precisely this sort of problem, and cite it as a reason to be worried about climate change. But does it tell a story of injustice? Many people&amp;#39;s intuitions say yes. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, we might point out that the above case sounds a lot like a story where an agrarian community is &amp;quot;destroyed&amp;quot; by industrialization and mass production. Small scale family farms can&amp;#39;t keep up with the low prices generated by the advanced practices of a local agribusiness concern, and can no longer support their old way of life. It&amp;#39;s a sad story, but we wouldn&amp;#39;t want to claim that any injustice has occurred. Perhaps as a society, we would want to help these farmers get back on their feet and find a new place in the market. But we wouldn&amp;#39;t want to &lt;em&gt;blame&lt;/em&gt; the agribusiness for doing something wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If there is no wrongdoing in the industrialization case, where communities might be unable to sustain their old lifestyles as the result of the actions of others, then can we consistently hold that there is injustice being done to indigenous people by climate change? Or are we simply setting indigenous communities on a pedestal because they&amp;#39;re different and mysterious, and we somehow think that by being so unusual, these individuals come to have different rights than the rest of us?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that there is a critical difference between the destruction of the indigenous community caused by climate change and the destruction of the agrarian community caused by industrialization. In the industrialization case, it&amp;#39;s not as if the agribusiness made it impossible for the family farmers to continue farming. Rather, the problem arises because the family farmers were depending on the support of their customers in order to sustain themselves. Given that their customers had the right to remove their support at any time, it should be clear that the farmers were depending on others making choices which they could permissibly not make, or stop making at any time. The agribusiness, with its greater efficiency, could offer much lower prices than the family farmers, and their customers decided to withdraw their support, &lt;em&gt;as was their right&lt;/em&gt;. It should be clear that in our story, the agribusiness never did anything &lt;em&gt;to&lt;/em&gt; the family farmers. It simply revealed the fact that the family farmers could only continue to sustain themselves in their traditional manner if their customers continued to voluntarily purchase their products. The family farmers never had any right to that support, and so when it was withdrawn, no right was violated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand, it doesn&amp;#39;t seem like the indigenous communities in question depend on anyone for their continued survival. They require only that their environments not be modified so as to make them incompatible with their lifestyles. And as far as these indigenous communities have been making use of their environments for centuries, it seems fair to say that they have some legitimate claim to their not being negatively affected by the actions of other people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I suspect that if we told the agrarian story in a way that matched the indigenous story, our intuitions would tell us that we were dealing with a rights violation. For example, let&amp;#39;s say an agrarian community depended on an underground stream to bring water to the region with which to grow crops. Now imagine that someone diverted the flow of water through the area so that the community&amp;#39;s land ran dry. Surely we would say that the diversion of the water flow represented a wrong done to the farmers, right?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the same way, it seems that changing the climate in a way that would negatively impact indigenous peoples&amp;#39; ability to continue living in their traditional manner would be unjust. But this is not new ground. This conclusion is pretty much the same as the one I reached in my post about the Bangladeshi farmer and the rising sea levels. I want to go one step further here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I mentioned before, the intuition that people have about this sort of case is not simply that our alteration of the climate is wrong because it harms currently existing indigenous peoples&amp;#39; ability to live in the manner to which they are accustomed. The problem is also that their children will be unable to live in that manner. That is, the issue is not just what happens to the people whose lives are made difficult by climate change, but also what happens to the people who will be unable to live in the traditional manner dictated by their culture, and what consequently happens to the culture itself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In order to isolate these factors from the harm done to the currently existing indigenous individuals, we might imagine that these individuals have been fully compensated for the damage done to them as individuals. This compensation not only takes into account the damage to their property, but also the damage to their character and psyche; the currently existing indigenous individuals recognize they were wronged, but acknowledge that they have been compensated adequately for all that &lt;em&gt;they personally&lt;/em&gt; have endured.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now we might imagine that one of these indigenous individuals has a child, Akiko. Akiko is raised in the indigenous culture, but sees that she will be unable to support herself in the traditional way. She will need to live a fundamentally different lifestyle from that of her people in order to survive. If we are to sustain that climate change will result in injustice to people like Akiko, then we must say that Akiko is wronged by having to find a way of life which differs from her culture&amp;#39;s traditions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At first glance, this might seem absurd. I grew up in Westport, CT; do I have the right to a house there? I have a friend who comes from a family of doctors; does he have the right to be one too? Surely we don&amp;#39;t want to say that people have a right to live like the people who brought them up lived. We must find some other way to explain what is wrong with Akiko&amp;#39;s situation if we are to be taken seriously.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A clue can be found in the fact that just like in the example with the agribusiness and the family farmers, my demands about a house in Westport and my friend&amp;#39;s demands for a doctor job require things of others. Given that I have no right to anything from these people, it seems ridiculous to suggest that I am wronged if they do not provide me with something. I do have the right to &lt;em&gt;try&lt;/em&gt; to buy a house in Westport, and my friend has the right to &lt;em&gt;try&lt;/em&gt; to be a doctor. But given that having a house or being a doctor require the voluntary consent of others (in my case, the consent of the house&amp;#39;s previous owner; in my friends case, the consent of the hiring institution and of the customers who choose to purchase his services), we cannot have the right to these things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Akiko&amp;#39;s demands would also be rooted in her getting others&amp;#39; consent. That is, she does not own her people&amp;#39;s land; the older members of her culture do. But the kind of consent Akiko requires is very different from the kind of consent I would need in order to get a house, in that Akiko &lt;em&gt;has&lt;/em&gt; that consent. Akiko&amp;#39;s people, we presume, would gladly allow Akiko to use, and even to own, the group&amp;#39;s land. In the absence of climate change, Akiko would be able to support herself in the traditional way using nothing but this land. But because of the effects of climate change, the land will not be able to support her in the traditional way. The substance of Akiko&amp;#39;s complaint, then, might seem to be that she should have inherited enough resources to sustain herself, but that climate change diminished those resources to make it impossible for her to use them in the way her culture would have suggested.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This leads us to an interesting idea. Remember, we have said that the current owners of the land were fully compensated for all of the damage &lt;em&gt;done to them&lt;/em&gt; by the effects of climate change on their land. Akiko&amp;#39;s complaint is that there is a gap between what she &lt;em&gt;should have&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;inherited&lt;/em&gt; and what she actually did inherit. In order to satisfy Akiko (if we have interpreted her complaint correctly), we would need to take the view that by damaging the indigenous people&amp;#39;s land, we not only wronged those people, but also the people who stood to inherit the land later. The &amp;quot;damage done&amp;quot; would be the damage done to the current owners, as well as the &amp;quot;damage&amp;quot; done to the future owners who &amp;quot;should have&amp;quot; inherited the land in its original condition, but instead inherited it in a damaged and less useful state. Accordingly, Akiko too would be entitled to compensation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, from Akiko&amp;#39;s standpoint, this seems like it would be a fair solution. Because climate change destroyed her people&amp;#39;s ability to live off the land, every generation of people in her community would be compensated for the damage done to the land. I&amp;#39;m not sure if this would actually be right, though. It seems to go completely against the way we normally think about damage and liability. I&amp;#39;d like to think about this some more, but I think this was a good place to start.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=23664" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx">Property Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Appropriation+and+Environmentalism/default.aspx">Appropriation and Environmentalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Opportunity/default.aspx">Opportunity</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Lifestyles/default.aspx">Lifestyles</category></item><item><title>Does Intrinsic Value in Nonconscious Objects Create Problems for Property Rights?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/02/does-intrinsic-value-in-nonconscious-objects-create-problems-for-property-rights.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:51:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:20674</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>810</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=20674</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/02/does-intrinsic-value-in-nonconscious-objects-create-problems-for-property-rights.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/02/can-we-have-duties-to-nonconscious.html"&gt;I wrote&lt;/a&gt;
earlier about the idea of nonconscious objects having intrinsic value,
and I was wondering about the implications of what I said for our
normal conceptions regarding property rights. Basically, I argued that
some objects, like the Grand Canyon or Niagara Falls, have the inherent
capacity to inspire significant reactions in people. Accordingly, it
seems fair to say that they have some kind of intrinsic value, and that
therefore it is somehow wrong to destroy them wastefully; that is, it
doesn&amp;#39;t take proper account of this value to &amp;quot;destroy&amp;quot; them without
good reason for doing so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It occurred to me, though, that this
account might seem to be at odds with our normal ideas about property
rights. I figured it might be worth writing briefly about whether this
is the case. I&amp;#39;ll bring up two issues here, discussing neither in much
depth (it&amp;#39;s Friday, dammit). The first is whether the existence of
intrinsic value in nonconscious entities could imply that we don&amp;#39;t
fully own our property. The second is whether intrinsic value creates
problems for our ideas about just appropriation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So why would
intrinsic value have any bearing on whether or not we fully own our
property? Well, the issue arises from the claim that it&amp;#39;s wrong to
destroy something with intrinsic value in the absence of a good reason
for doing so. Does this mean that we could be entitled to stop someone
from destroying something on her own property &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;if she owned it&lt;/span&gt;?  If so, this would clearly have significant implications for the way we think about our relationship with our property.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I
think that we would have to start by pointing out that if someone were
going to wastefully destroy an object with significant intrinsic value,
she could probably sell it to someone else, or a group of people, who
would clearly value it more than her. In his essay, &amp;quot;Liberty, Markets,
and Environmental Values: A Hayekian Defense of Free-Market
Environmentalism,&amp;quot; Mark Pennington wrote, &amp;quot;...a case surely can be made
that it is precisely for the ends that people value most highly that
they should be required to make a personal sacrifice, including perhaps
a material sacrifice.&amp;quot; I think this makes some sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And if the
object&amp;#39;s owners were prepared to forgo such payment in order to see the
object destroyed, then it seems clear that we would want to say that
she had a reasonably strong interest in destroying the object, and that
this could very well constitute the kind of &amp;quot;good reason&amp;quot; which would
make legitimate the destruction of an intrinsically valuable object.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But
what if transactions costs prevented the person from selling the
object? Perhaps the object was extremely valuable, but it would simply
be unfeasible to coordinate a trade? Would the owner be doing something
wrong to destroy it? It seems that in this case, we would need to come
up with a relatively good reason for overriding the property rights of
the owner; if she rightfully owned the object, then we would generally
want to say that the ownership rights included the right to destroy the
object. This seems most obvious if we say that the owner &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;created&lt;/span&gt;
the intrinsic value in an object. Given that the value was &amp;quot;put into&amp;quot;
the object by the owner, it seems that she would have every right to
destroy that value.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, I think that this intuition becomes
slightly less clear if we suppose that the intrinsic value was a
natural feature of the object. I don&amp;#39;t think that this unclarity
reflects that we don&amp;#39;t believe that property rights should be
respected. Rather, I think it is a consequence of an inadequate
understanding the second issue that I wanted to touch on, which asks
what kinds of things we can justly appropriate, and what that
appropriation entails.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you somehow come to own the Grand
Canyon, and then you decide that you want to destroy it (for no good
reason), I think that other people would be right to object. But this
is not because you shouldn&amp;#39;t have a right to do what you want with your
property. I think it&amp;#39;s more because people would object to the idea of
you could justly be said to own something like the Grand Canyon. It
just seems like something that a person couldn&amp;#39;t fairly appropriate for
themselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I think that on some level, that sounds right.  Objects with significant natural intrinsic value &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;do&lt;/span&gt;
seem to belong to all of us; it simply wouldn&amp;#39;t be right for someone to
declare himself the exclusive owner, with the right to destroy the
object if he chose. But if we take to its logical end, then we not only
restrict the appropriation of the Grand Canyon and Niagara Falls, but
also the appropriation of a beautiful forest or scenic beach front.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I
think that there is some intuitive strength to the idea that
individuals should not be able to simply take such natural wonders for
themselves, excluding others from accessing them. This idea seems
grounded in the notion of Pareto improvement. In &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Anarchy, State, and Utopia&lt;/span&gt;,
Nozick writes, &amp;quot;It will be implausible to view improving an object as
giving full ownership to it, oif the stock of unowned objects that
might be improved is limited. For an object&amp;#39;s coming under one person&amp;#39;s
ownership changes the situation of all others. Whereas previously they
were at liberty...to use the object, they now no longer are.&amp;quot; While
this is a problem for all acts of appropriation, it seems especially
significant when we are able to say that without any human improvement,
an object naturally has the capacity to inspire strong positive
reactions in people. Why should one person be allowed to appropriate
all the benefits from these natural objects for themselves?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it&amp;#39;s not as if privatization &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;can&amp;#39;t&lt;/span&gt;
be Pareto improving. I don&amp;#39;t want to say more about this just now,
because I haven&amp;#39;t thought it out enough. But I want to appeal to the
idea that human stewardship can augment the intrinsic value in natural
objects, and make them more accessible and beneficial to the people who
would have enjoyed them in their natural state. For example, creating
hiking trails and camping areas on a beautiful mountain can enable more
people to enjoy their beauty. However, I want to take into account some
important objections raised by G. A. Cohen which I&amp;#39;ll get into some
other time. For now, I&amp;#39;m just going to leave this as an unfinished
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