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Here&amp;#39;s another cool Hayek quote, from chapter 5 of his &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;New Studies in Philosophy, Politics, Economics and the History of Ideas&lt;/span&gt;, entitled &amp;quot;The Atavism of Social Justice&amp;quot;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;...there
can be no distributive justice where no one distributes. Justice has
meaning only as a rule of human conduct, and no conceivable rules for
the conduct of individuals supplying each other with goods and services
in a market economy would produce a distribution which could be
meaningfully described as just or unjust. Individuals might conduct
themselves as justly as possible, but as the results for separate
individuals would be neither intended nor foreseeable by others, the
resulting state of affairs could neither be called just nor unjust&amp;quot;
(58).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;ve been arguing basically that point of view
for a while, and this is far from the first time I&amp;#39;ve heard it
articulated by someone else, but I really like the way Hayek put it
here. But it also got me thinking. Hayek does use as support for his
argument the fact that the results of the market process are not
foreseeable. And it does seem to me that a great many people see
certain regrettable outcomes of the market process as quite foreseeable
enough to dodge this argument. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;quot;Perhaps the precise outcomes
of the process are not foreseeable,&amp;quot; someone might argue, &amp;quot;but we can
easily foresee that certain things will likely occur, like the
occasional occurrence of instances of extreme need. Even if, as a
society, we think ourselves justified in &amp;#39;playing the game&amp;#39; of
catallaxy (as Hayek puts it on page 60 and later throughout the essay),
we nevertheless might be able to point to certain predictable and
regrettable outcomes of that game and demand that they be &amp;#39;cleaned up.&amp;#39;
It&amp;#39;s on those grounds that I claim that we have some sort of obligation
to ensure that no one is left behind &amp;#39;by&amp;#39; our playing the game of
catallaxy. I cannot articulate, necessarily, exactly what that
obligation entails, or what is its nature, but to deny the existence of
any such obligation seems simply wrong.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that would be a
pretty fair line of attack, and I think it deserves an answer. I&amp;#39;m not
sure what I&amp;#39;ll find, but the question seems to become one which is
perfectly tractable within my notion of rights and duties. So I pose
for myself the following questions: Do we have a duty to help those in
desperate need, either collective or individual? How might we
understand such a duty, and what would it entail?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;ll be working on an answer to those questions over the coming months.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=49490" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Equality/default.aspx">Equality</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Collective+Duties/default.aspx">Collective Duties</category></item><item><title>Law and the Knowledge Problem, a First Glance</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/28/law-and-the-knowledge-problem-a-first-glance.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:05:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:49297</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=49297</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/28/law-and-the-knowledge-problem-a-first-glance.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update at the bottom of the post&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here&amp;#39;s an interesting quote from Hayek&amp;#39;s essay, &amp;quot;The Results of Human Action but not of Human Design,&amp;quot; from his book, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Studies in Philosophy, Politics and Economics&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;...the
natural law concept against which modern jurisprudence reacted was the
perverted rationalist conception which interpreted the law of nature as
the deductive constructions of &amp;#39;natural reason&amp;#39; rather than as the
undesigned outcome of a process of growth in which the test of what is
justice was not anybody&amp;#39;s arbitrary will but compatibility with a whole
system of inherited but partly inarticulated rules&amp;quot; (101).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This
does seem like a relatively accurate positive assessment of how law has
evolved over time. But it does beg the question, then, of whether or
not a centralized attempt to administer justice, which would rely on
some understanding of what people will accept as just, would be akin to
trying to plan an economy. The idea, in other words, is that if our
recognition of justice relies on a partly inarticulated set of
internalized rules, and those rules change over time and are sometimes
contradictory, then the acceptability of any legal judgment will be in
some some sense bound to the circumstances in which that attribution
was made, and will &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;necessarily&lt;/span&gt;
fail to reflect the unanimous will of the people. If that&amp;#39;s true, then
it would seem almost impossible to determine what would be the proper
standard of justice within a society at any given time, and so would be
impossible to administer justice &amp;quot;properly&amp;quot; in much the same way as
it&amp;#39;s impossible to allocate resources &amp;quot;properly&amp;quot; through a centralized
method of planning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To make my case, I&amp;#39;ll draw on a number of
different quotes which I think paint a better picture of the issue than
I might be able to do myself (especially given the &amp;quot;reason as I go&amp;quot;
approach that generally characterizes these posts). First, from the
beginning of David Schmidtz&amp;#39;s book, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Elements of Justice&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;I
have become a pluralist, but there are many pluralisms. I focus not on
concentric &amp;quot;spheres&amp;quot; of local, national, and international justice nor
on how different cultures foster different intuitions, but on the
variety of contexts we experience every day, calling in turn for
principles of desert, reciprocity, equality, and need. I try to some
extent to knit these four elements together, showing how they make room
for each other and define each other&amp;#39;s limits, but not at the cost of
twisting them to make them appear to fit together better than they
really do. Would a more elegant theory reduce the multiplicity of
elements to one?&amp;quot; (4).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I jump over to the beginning of Rawls&amp;#39; &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Justice as Fairness: A Restatement&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;...I
believe that a democratic society is not and cannot be a community,
where by a community I mean a body of persons united in affirming the
same comprehensive, or partly comprehensive doctrine. The fact of
reasonable pluralism which characterizes a society with free
institutions makes this impossible. This is the fact of profound and
irreconcilable differences in citizens&amp;#39; reasonable comprehensive
religious and philosophical conceptions of the world, and in their
views of the moral and aesthetic values to be sought in human life&amp;quot; (3).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And with that, I jump back to Schmidtz, a few pages later:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;In
effect, there are two ways to agree: We agree on what is correct, or on
who has jurisdiction - who gets to decide. Freedom of religion took the
latter form; we learned to be liberals in matters of religion, reaching
consensus not on what to believe but on who gets to decide. So too with
freedom of speech. Isn&amp;#39;t it odd that our greatest successes in learning
how to live together stem from agreeing on what is correct but from
agreeing to let people decide for themselves?&amp;quot; (6).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And back to Hayek, this time in his essay, &amp;quot;The Use of Knowledge in Society&amp;quot;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;The
peculiar character of the problem of a rational economic order is
determined precisely by the fact that the knowledge of the
circumstances of which we must make use never exists in concentrated or
integrated form, but solely as the dispersed bits of incomplete and
frequently contradictory knowledge which all the separate individuals
possess&amp;quot; (519).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He continues:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;In
ordinary language we describe by the word &amp;quot;planning the complex of
interrelated decisions about the allocation of our available resources.
All economic activity is in this sense planning; and in any society in
which many people collaborate, this planning, whoever does it, will in
some measure have to be based on knowledge which, in the first
instance, is not given to the planner but to somebody else, which
somehow will have to be conveyed to the planner. The various ways in
which the knowledge on which people base their plans is communicated to
them is the crucial problem for any theory explaining the economic
process. And the problem of what is the best way of utilizing knowledge
initially dispersed among all the people is at least one of the main
problems of economic policy--or of designing an efficient economic
system&amp;quot; (520).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And more:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;Today it is
almost heresy to suggest that scientific knowledge is not the sum of
all knowledge. But a little reflection will show that there is beyond
question a body of very important but unorganized knowledge which
cannot possibly be called scientific in the sense of knowledge of
general rules: the knowledge of particular circumstances of time and
place&amp;quot; (521).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just like how attributions of justice are
contingent on a set of partly inarticulated rules, economic actors make
their decisions according to their personal interpretations of
circumstances, in light of their own value systems. And as they are
inarticulated and often contradictory, they cannot be aggregated to
form a &amp;quot;social&amp;quot; standard. Hayek writes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;...the sort of
knowledge with which I have been concerned is knowledge of the kind
which by its nature cannot enter into statistics and therefore cannot
be conveyed to any central authority in statistical form&amp;quot; (524).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So
we&amp;#39;ve sort of gotten to the point I&amp;#39;m trying to make. Basically, if
society&amp;#39;s acceptance of certain things as just is, as Hayek says, based
on compatibility with an internalized, partly inarticulated set of
rules, and if these sets of rules are subject to reasonable pluralism
and continuous flux, then it&amp;#39;s as impossible to get law perfectly right
through central planning as it is to get an economy perfectly right
through central planning. But then the question becomes, so what? In
looking at the economy, Hayek writes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;We cannot expect
that this problem will be solved by first communicating all this
knowledge to a central board which, after integrating &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;all&lt;/span&gt; knowledge, issues its orders.  We must solve it by some form of decentralization&amp;quot; (524).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But is this the right answer for law?  That&amp;#39;s something I&amp;#39;ll have to leave for another day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Update:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hahahahahahahaha!&amp;nbsp; So this post was written in a sort of &amp;quot;Ah hah!&amp;quot;
moment while reading Hayek&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;The Results of Human Action but not of
Human Design,&amp;quot; causing me to jump up from the book and hammer out the
above.&amp;nbsp; Turns out that if I had kept reading, I would have discovered
Hayek making a nearly identical point in the essay itself.&amp;nbsp; So I&amp;#39;d
almost say to forget about this post and go pick up the book.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=49297" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Cap and Trade vs. the Carbon Tax </title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/13/cap-and-trade-vs-the-carbon-tax.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:09:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:37687</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=37687</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/13/cap-and-trade-vs-the-carbon-tax.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" class="null"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006bad;"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I&amp;#39;ve been addressing the issue of anthropogenic climate change for some time now, and I haven&amp;#39;t said much in the way of addressing specific policy proposals. But I was just given a delightful present by one of my fellow FEE associates: a copy of the American Institute for Economic Research&amp;#39;s latest &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Economic Education Bulletin&lt;/span&gt;, entitled &amp;quot;The Global Warming Debate: Science, Economics, and Policy.&amp;quot; I didn&amp;#39;t read the whole thing, but my favorite part was definitely when William R. Cotton, a professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State, closed his completely science-oriented essay, &amp;quot;Summary View of Climate Change,&amp;quot; with:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;There are strong indications that our global climate is warming. But the question is, is the warming due to anthropogenic greenhouse gases, or is it due to some other forcing mechanisms (or their transient absence) and natural variability. As human population on Earth continues to increase, the chances of human-induced changes in climate due to greenhouse gases, aerosol pollution, or alterations in land use become increasingly likely. Thus, rather than consider climate engineering, we should devise methods of encouraging the reduction of population growth through economic and quality-of-life incentives.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Period, end of conversation. No comment on that gem anywhere else in the entire essay. Who&amp;#39;s got two thumbs and &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;loves it&lt;/span&gt;? This guy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But anyway, that&amp;#39;s not the point. Later in the publication was an essay by Kenneth P. Green, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, where it was argued that a carbon tax is superior to a cap-and-trade system. I bounced between frustration, amusement, and glee as I read it, and felt an immediate need to comment. Not because Green did a bad job--he did just fine--but because he was guilty of something which is very common among people who discuss climate change: he discussed the possible &amp;quot;solutions&amp;quot; to climate change without addressing the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;reasons&lt;/span&gt; that a policy was to be implemented in the first place, and how the different solutions worked to address those reasons. His argument for a tax scheme over a cap-and-trade scheme was simply that a tax scheme could achieve the same goals, but with better economic side-effects and less potential for failure. Fine, I&amp;#39;ll even grant it. But taxes and caps are fundamentally different policies, which only make even a little sense when confronted by specific sorts of problems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I should explain what I mean. &lt;a href="http://www.strike-the-root.com/72/shahar/shahar5.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6699cc;"&gt;I&amp;#39;ve discussed elsewhere&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; the idea that in order to make any sense from an ethical point of view, pollution taxes need to be based on the idea that an individual is justified in polluting if and only if she pays compensation to her victims for any damage done to them. That idea is controversial, but for our purposes we don&amp;#39;t need to address that controversy. The point is only that &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;even if&lt;/span&gt; we accept that idea as true, there are &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;still&lt;/span&gt; only certain kinds of instances in which the injustice of pollution can legitimately be dealt with through a tax on pollution. The paradigm cases are those instances in which the damage caused by pollution is directly proportional to the amount of pollution that there is, so that the tax becomes the &amp;quot;price&amp;quot; of compensating the victims of one&amp;#39;s actions for the costs one imposes upon them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cap and trade schemes, on the other hand, are built for an entirely different kind of problem. In a paradigm cap and trade situation, there is a threshold level of pollution with which policymakers are concerned, and at the threshold, a certain amount of damage is anticipated. The cap and trade scheme accordingly sets the cap at the relevant amount of pollution, and then distributes &amp;quot;shares&amp;quot; of the &amp;quot;environmental space&amp;quot; below that threshold in some way (e.g., auction, grandfathering system...). Because the allocations may be economically inefficient for whatever reason, the shares can then be traded in accordance with the wishes of their owners in order to ensure that the right to pollute is distributed to those individuals who are willing to pay the most for it (note that the normal objections to the &amp;quot;willingness to pay&amp;quot; criterion are avoided by passing the buck to the distribution process, which of course must be justified separately).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The point I want to make here is that global climate change is a very different phenomenon than the sorts of phenomena for which either of these policies is built to provide a solution. &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2007/12/emergent-problems.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#666699;"&gt;As noted elsewhere&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, climate change is an emergent problem. That is, climate change is not the result of any individual&amp;#39;s actions, but rather is the consequence of many individuals acting separately, so that no individual can reasonably be said to have been able to prevent climate change from occurring, and no individual could have caused climate change singlehandedly. Accordingly, it does not make sense to talk about the consequences of climate change in terms of marginal contributions. The amount of damage caused by climate change will not likely change recognizeably with an additional increment of CO2 (or any other forcing agent), so it&amp;#39;s not reasonable to try to put a price on how much damage &amp;quot;a unit of climate forcing&amp;quot; (expressed, perhaps, in terms of GWP, or Global Warming Potential, as defined by the IPCC?) causes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A tax on contributions to climate change, therefore, seems like a policy which would require a bit of shoehorning. Individuals paying the tax would not be paying the &amp;quot;social cost&amp;quot; of their particular contribution, taken in isolation, because that would be basically zero. They would need to be charged for their &amp;quot;portion&amp;quot; of the total amount of damage done by climate change. So what policymakers would need to do would be to determine the total amount of damage which would be done at the equilibrium price for pollution permits, and then sell the permits at that price. The problem then becomes one of economic calculation. It could be done to some degree, but it would be inherently imprecise. And remember: the end result needs to be that the victims get compensated, so the government would have to go into its own pockets (that is to say, the pockets of its treasury or, more realistically, the pockets of its Federal Reserve printing press) to take care of the balance if it aimed low. And as my wonderful economist friends would point out, there would be a considerable incentive to aim &lt;em&gt;high&lt;/em&gt;, creating a surplus revenue stream for the government which would almost certainly not be returned. So the tax is doable, kind of, but the problem is not the kind of thing that the tax is designed for. It&amp;#39;s just that you can use the tax to accomplish the end goal if you want.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The cap and trade system is a little harder to adapt to the task, but there are a number of ways that the idea can be useful. First, there is a level to which we could collectively exert a forcing on the climate system without producing objectionable consequences. This level of climate forcing &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a threshold which could be amenable to a &lt;em&gt;soft&lt;/em&gt; cap and trade scheme (soft like the baseball salary cap). In this kind of policy, the cap would be set at the level of forcing which would produce no negative consequences, and this &amp;quot;environmental space&amp;quot; would be allocated somehow (or, if people find this to be a bad idea, we would simply say that these shares should be allocated in proportion to one&amp;#39;s contribution to climate change, so that the soft cap has no effect). People not receiving these shares, or polluting in excess of their shares, would be filling environmental space which represented something like &amp;quot;harmful social emissions&amp;quot;. Because these emissions would not be legitimated by the soft cap, they would be the ones which would be subject to the obligation to compensate the victims (again, if the soft cap isn&amp;#39;t being used, as mentioned above, it would just be that everyone would have to participate in compensating the victims).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here a potential for another cap would become apparent: We might imagine that policymakers would decide on a level of pollution (corresponding to some amount of total damage) which was determined to be &amp;quot;socially desirable&amp;quot; somehow. Perhaps, using the same reasoning involved in the tax scheme discussed above, the policymakers would arrive at the level of pollution which would clear the market if everyone paid some price for it. Or perhaps the policymakers would identify a level of pollution beyond which &lt;em&gt;unacceptable&lt;/em&gt; results would occur, and the cap would be set there. In any case, you would then have to set a cap and allocate the shares. So again, the policy could be made to work. But the problems are simply that it&amp;#39;s difficult to identify a level of &amp;quot;unacceptable&amp;quot; pollution, it&amp;#39;s just as difficult to identify a market clearing price in this scheme as it is with the tax (assuming that the shares are auctioned, of course), and any other way of running the scheme is sure to carry either difficulties of its own, or charges of arbitrariness which would sever the connection between the problem and the solution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So ultimately, what we&amp;#39;re faced with is a situation in which the only two policy suggestions that are on the table are not particularly well suited to the task of &amp;quot;solving&amp;quot; the problems arising from climate change (and I haven&amp;#39;t even begun to address the question of how the compensation process would even work, or whether compensation could make climate change legitimate!), and the only way to make either of them work is to basically stretch and contort them until they are made to do the job acceptably. Doing so, it will be noted, requires in both cases that government decision-makers possess knowledge and foresight which they almost certainly do not have, and even then it&amp;#39;s unclear that the policies would work properly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obviously, there&amp;#39;s a lot more to say about this. I just wanted to get some preliminary thoughts down, and I think this was a good start. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=37687" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Appropriation+and+Environmentalism/default.aspx">Appropriation and Environmentalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Emergent+Problems/default.aspx">Emergent Problems</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Compensation/default.aspx">Compensation</category></item><item><title>Can the Free Market Solve the Problems Posed by Climate Change?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/20/can-the-free-market-solve-the-problems-posed-by-climate-change.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:22:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:22953</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>103</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=22953</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/20/can-the-free-market-solve-the-problems-posed-by-climate-change.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When confronted by the possibility of climate change, many
libertarians default to the position that the free market, with its
ability to mobilize the ingenuity of the economy for the satisfaction
of the desires of the people, will provide the solutions we desire. I
want to discuss this view, because I think it is the result of a
mistaken understanding of the nature of the free market. For an example
of this view, consider George Reisman&amp;#39;s comments in his essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae5_2_1.pdf"&gt;Environmentalism in the Light of Menger and Mises&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The
appropriate answer to the environmentalists is that we will not
sacrifice a hair of industrial civilization, and that if global warming
and ozone depletion really are among its consequences, we will accept
them and deal with them--by such reasonable means as employing more and
better air conditioners and sun block, not by giving up our air
conditioners, refrigerators, and automobiles.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In his essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/reisman/reisman34.html"&gt;Global Warming Is Not a Threat But the Environmentalist Response to It Is&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;quot; Reisman elaborates:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
...if global warming is a fact, the free citizens of an industrial
civilization will have no great difficulty in coping with - that is, of
course, if their ability to use energy and to produce is not crippled
by the environmental movement and by government controls otherwise
inspired.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He goes on to say that global warming&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...would
certainly not be too great a problem for tens and hundreds of millions
of free, thinking individuals living under capitalism to solve. It
would be solved by means of each individual being free to decide how
best to cope with the particular aspects of global warming that
affected him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reisman makes an important point.
When it comes to allocating resources efficiently, the free market is
unparalleled in its effectiveness. In his essay, &amp;quot;The Use of Knowledge
in Society,&amp;quot; Hayek explained:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...knowledge of the
circumstances...never exists in concentrated or integrated form, but
solely as the dispersed bits of incomplete and frequently contradictory
knowledge which all...separate individuals possess. The economic
problem of society is thus not merely a problem of how to allocate
&amp;quot;given&amp;quot; resources--if &amp;quot;given&amp;quot; is taken to mean given to a single mind
which deliberately solves the problem set by these &amp;quot;data.&amp;quot; It is rather
a problem of how to secure the best use of resources known to any of
the members of society, for ends whose relative importance only these
individuals know. Or, to put it briefly, it is a problem of the
utilization of knowledge not given to anyone in its totality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hayek points out that&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...there
is...a body of very important but unorganized knowledge which cannot
possibly be called scientific in the sense of knowledge of general
rules: the knowledge of the particular circumstances of time and place.
It is with respect to this that practically every individual has some
advantage over all others in that he possesses unique information of
which beneficial use might be made, but of which use can be made only
if the decisions depending on it are left to him or are made with his
active cooperation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He concludes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If we
can agree that the economic problem of society is mainly one of rapid
adaptation to changes in the particular circumstances of time and
place, it would seem to follow that the ultimate decisions must be left
to the people who are familiar with these circumstances, who know
directly of the relevant changes and of the resources immediately
available to meet them. We cannot expect that this problem will be
solved by first communicating all this knowledge to a central board
which, after integrating &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;all &lt;/span&gt;knowledge, issues its orders.  We must solve it by some form of decentralization.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This decentralization is the free market.  Hayek explains that&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...in
a system where the knowledge of the relevant facts is dispersed among
many people, prices can act to coordinate the separate actions of
different people in the same way as subjective values help the
individual to coordinate the parts of his plan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And
indeed, it&amp;#39;s been demonstrated in practically every instance that the
free market has the capacity to satisfy the wants of the population
better than centrally organized alternatives. So I think Reisman is
largely right in saying that when it comes to adapting to new problems,
the market does do great work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But when we talk about the free
market, we generally have two things in mind. The first, which Reisman
focuses on, is a system in which property titles are traded voluntarily
in a mutually beneficial way, resulting in a continuous progression
towards a more efficient allocation of resources. But the second, which
underpins the first, is a system in which rights are enforced, so that
individuals who infringe on the rights of others are punished, and
those whose rights are infringed are compensated for the harm they
suffer. It is my contention the Reisman&amp;#39;s argument breaks down by
completely brushing off this second feature of the market.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Imagine
if we were trying to discuss the proper social response to a particular
theft. It might be true that of all social systems, a victim of theft
would be best equipped for dealing with her loss in a capitalistic free
market. She would not need to consult a central planning board in order
to replace the things that were taken, and her higher purchasing power,
enabled by her participation in a thriving market economy, would enable
her to afford the replacement with comparative ease.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yet we would obviously not be satisfied with this &amp;quot;solution.&amp;quot;  The reason is simple.  The thief did something &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;wrong&lt;/span&gt;,
and therefore, the thief ought to be held responsible for fixing it,
never mind that we should perhaps have tried to stop the theft from
happening in the first place. Accordingly, by suggesting that we simply
allow the free market to operate so that adaptation will be easier,
Reisman is smuggling in the claim that we do nothing wrong to the
victims of climate change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This seems obviously contentious. The
question should not be, as Reisman seems to want to make it, whether or
not the free market is the best system for facilitating adaptation to
changing conditions. The question is whether we do something unjust by
contributing to climate change. To be fair, Reisman briefly addresses
this issue, as &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2007/12/emergent-problems.html"&gt;I discussed here&lt;/a&gt;.
But my point is that by glossing quickly over the issue of justice,
many libertarians have completely missed the point. If the free market
is to be relied on to provide a &amp;quot;solution&amp;quot; to climate change, it must
be through a strict adherence to the principles of justice. If we
simply ignore injustice, and define fairness in terms of mere
participation in the market, then we cannot claim to be advocating
libertarianism.&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=22953" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx">Property Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Appropriation+and+Environmentalism/default.aspx">Appropriation and Environmentalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Asymmetry Between Positive and Negative Externalities</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/11/asymmetry-between-positive-and-negative-externalities.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:27:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:21773</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>12</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=21773</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/11/asymmetry-between-positive-and-negative-externalities.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;I want to discuss an asymmetry between positive and negative
externalities which I think might be important when thinking about how
to use the enforcement of justice to determine which actions should be
permitted. Sometimes, we let individuals impose costs on others,
provided compensation is payed, because their actions produce net
social benefits. As Nozick writes in &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Anarchy, State, and Utopia&lt;/span&gt;,
&amp;quot;The reason one sometimes would wish to allow boundary crossings with
compensation...is presumably the great benefits of the act; it is
worthwhile, ought to be done, and can pay its way.&amp;quot; In its &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Climate Change 1995: Economic and Social Dimensions of Climate Change&lt;/span&gt;,
the IPCC elaborates on this idea, explaining that if an action
&amp;quot;...yields positive net benefits, then those made better off could
compensate those made worse off with something extra left over. As long
as the compensation is paid, the result is an unambiguous gain in
welfare, without the necessity of weighing effects on different
individuals.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&amp;#39;s worth pointing out that this is not entirely
uncontroversial. Nozick writes, &amp;quot;...a system permitting boundary
crossing, provided compensation is paid, embodies the use of persons as
means; knowing they are being so used, and that their plans and
expectations are liable to being thwarted arbitrarily, is a cost to
people...&amp;quot; For this reason, Nozick suggests that &amp;quot;Any border-crossing
act which permissibly may be done provided compensation is paid
afterwards will be one to which prior consent is impossible or very
costly to negotiate...But not vice versa.&amp;quot; For our purposes, however,
we will ignore this problem, and limit our discussion to only those
compensated boundary crossings which are not problematic in this way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So
what&amp;#39;s the asymmetry? It should be clear that the preceding discussion
was directed only at negative externalities. That is, cases where I do
something that results in costs being imposed on other people, where I
haven&amp;#39;t obtained their consent in advance. An entirely different
framework applies to positive externalities: cases where, without being
asked or promised anything, I do something which results in positive
outcomes for other people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Where we think of negative
externalities as demanding of compensation, we generally don&amp;#39;t think
that we are entitled to payment for the positive outcomes we have
generated for others as a result of positive externalities. So when we
impose costs without consent, we owe compensation, but when we &amp;quot;impose&amp;quot;
benefits without &amp;quot;consent,&amp;quot; we are not entitled to payment. This is the
asymmetry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But on the surface, this doesn&amp;#39;t seem to be
problematic. If I unilaterally decided to do something which had
positive consequences for you, then it doesn&amp;#39;t seem like you suddenly
take an obligation to compensate me for my trouble; &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;I&amp;#39;m&lt;/span&gt; the one who decided to do the thing that I did, and presumably I &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;would&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;have&lt;/span&gt; decided to do it, even if you weren&amp;#39;t around.  On the other hand, if I unilaterally do something that has &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;negative&lt;/span&gt; consequences for you, then I &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;do&lt;/span&gt; take on an obligation to compensate you; &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;you&lt;/span&gt; didn&amp;#39;t decide for me to do what I did, and presumably you &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;wouldn&amp;#39;t&lt;/span&gt; have in the absence of compensation.  The asymmetry seems simply to reflect the idea that we are not entitled to make people &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;worse off&lt;/span&gt; without their consent in the execution of our plans.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However,
there are two implications of this asymmetry which might be worth
noting. The first can be shown by the following illustration. Imagine
that on Bill&amp;#39;s roof, there is a machine which produces laser light
shows on the bottoms of clouds at night. Bill lives in a large town,
but most of the people don&amp;#39;t really care one way or the other about the
laser light shows; they&amp;#39;re typically asleep when they&amp;#39;re going on. A
few people do enjoy the shows, but not to a huge degree. If put on the
spot, they would probably pay a small sum to allow them to continue,
but tracking these people down and collecting money from them would be
relatively difficult, and they probably wouldn&amp;#39;t respond to mass
mailers, newspaper ads, or other public fund raising efforts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On
the other hand, Bill&amp;#39;s laser machine generates a certain kind of green
smoke which is not a health hazard in any way, but which tends to drift
into Terry&amp;#39;s yard and stain his house a particularly ugly color. The
stain can be cleaned, but doing so is somewhat costly, and as Terry
does not typically watch the laser light show, he is rightly irritated
by Bill&amp;#39;s behavior. Being a reasonable person, Terry takes Bill to
court to demand that he either pay for his house to be cleaned
periodically, or else stop putting on the show.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, perhaps the
people who enjoy the show would be collectively willing to pay enough
to completely cover the costs of cleaning Terry&amp;#39;s house. But without
their contributions, Bill would not be willing to pay this amount. What
would end up happening is that Bill would put a stop to the show, and
though they&amp;#39;d be disappointed, the people who enjoyed the show would
likely not be motivated enough to get together and pay the amount
necessary to get it going again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let&amp;#39;s imagine that Bill &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;knew&lt;/span&gt; who these people were.  Even though he knows that they were benefiting from his show, the burden is on &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;him&lt;/span&gt; to convince them to &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;voluntarily&lt;/span&gt;
contribute to getting the show going again. The effort necessary might
be prohibitive. On the other hand, this burden does not seem to be on
Terry; Bill has the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;obligation&lt;/span&gt;
to compensate Terry for whatever costs are done to him. This
illustration shows that if we say that one is obliged to compensate for
negative external effects, but one is not entitled to payment for
positive external effects, then the costs of organizing people would
result in the cessation of an entire class of net beneficial effects.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Confronted
with this possibility, we might shrug our shoulders and say, &amp;quot;That&amp;#39;s a
shame, but we&amp;#39;re not particularly concerned.&amp;quot; We might point to the
fact that our alternatives are somewhat limited. We can try to
calculate net benefits and then either &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;fine&lt;/span&gt; or &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;tax&lt;/span&gt;
alleged beneficiaries in order to pay compensation to harmed parties,
or else we can simply allow allegedly &amp;quot;net beneficial&amp;quot; acts to be
undertaken without any compensation for the victims.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Both of
these alternatives seem objectionable. As we said before, my decision
to do something which benefits you doesn&amp;#39;t seem to generate an
obligation in you to pay me. And as Nozick writes, &amp;quot;Using...[someone]
for the benefit of others, uses him and benefits the others. Nothing
more. What happens is something is done to him for the sake of others.
Talk of an overall social good covers this up...To use a person in this
way does not sufficiently respect and take account of the fact that he
is a separate person, that his is the only life he has. &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;He &lt;/span&gt;does not get some overbalancing good for his sacrifice, and no one is entitled to force this upon him...&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We
find ourselves in a situation where we are forced to choose the best of
a set of evils. Nozick writes, &amp;quot;Because great transaction costs may
make the fairest alternative impracticable, one may search for other
alternatives...These alternatives will involve constant minor
unfairness and classes of major ones.&amp;quot; As far as &amp;quot;unfairnesses&amp;quot; go, the
ones we face here seem rather minor.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;[It has come to my attention that I&amp;#39;m
an idiot and apparently can&amp;#39;t tell the difference between the word
&amp;quot;defendant&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;plaintiff.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; I apologize to anyone who may have been
confused by the rest of this post.]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But this leads to the
second implication of the asymmetry between positive and negative
externalities, which I find significantly more troubling. This problem
arises from an interesting fact about the way that rights are enforced.
In his essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj26n3/cj26n3-3.pdf"&gt;Science, Public Policy, and Global Warming: Rethinking the Market Liberal Position&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;quot;
Edwin Dolan writes, &amp;quot;Certain defenses are allowed against a charge of
assault or trespass. Consent of the victim is one. Also, if no causal
relationship can be shown between the action of the defendant and the
offense to the victim, the tort is not proved. However, certain
attempted defenses are not recognized as legally valid...&amp;quot; Of these,
one is &amp;quot;A showing that the defendant gained benefits from the tort, the
value of which exceeds the costs to the victim.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This means that an individual can perform an action which is beneficial to &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;everyone&lt;/span&gt;, and still be required to compensate people for any &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;individual negative effects&lt;/span&gt;
resulting from the action. It is important to note that the issue is
not whether it could be proven that the action produced beneficial
consequences for the victim that were more significant than the costs
imposed. Rather, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;even if this were proven&lt;/span&gt;, the boundary-crosser would &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;still&lt;/span&gt; be required to pay the victim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;m
struggling to figure out what I think about this. I need some time to
think; any thoughts or opinions would be very welcome.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=21773" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx">Property Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Monetary Compensation for Future Generations</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/11/monetary-compensation-for-future-generations.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:03:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:21757</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=21757</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/11/monetary-compensation-for-future-generations.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ve been talking a lot about whether or not we could have obligations
to future people, and it occurred to me that I should say something
about what it would mean for us to have those obligations, if we did
have them. For example, let&amp;#39;s say (as I &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/03/costs-vs-harms-in-light-of-non-identity.html"&gt;discussed here&lt;/a&gt;)
that it is wrong to act in such a way that a person comes into
existence, upon whom the consequences of your actions will impose
costs, but who will not have been provided with proper compensation for
those costs. It should be obvious that one way to act permissibly would
be to avoid that sort of action. But another way to act permissibly
would be to provide compensation to the person your actions bring into
existence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What kind of compensation would this be? The obvious
answer seems to be that we should leave them some amount of money which
would sufficiently make up for the costs they&amp;#39;ll have to endure as a
result of our actions. But I wanted to point out an interesting feature
of monetary compensation across time periods which might be significant
to the way we think about the issue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let&amp;#39;s say I harm you today,
and give you money to compensate you for it. Basically, what I&amp;#39;ve done
is give you power for directing the allocation of social resources
which formerly belonged to me. As Hayek wrote in his essay, &amp;quot;The Use of
Knowledge in Society,&amp;quot; &amp;quot;...in a system where the knowledge of the
relevant facts is dispersed among many people, prices can act to
coordinate the separate actions of different people in the same way as
subjective values help the individual to coordinate the parts of his
plan.&amp;quot; Providing someone with compensation has the effect of removing
power to direct the market from one person, and giving it to another.
It seems fair to say that this is exactly what we want to do when we
make someone compensate someone else.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But something very
different happens when someone leaves compensation for someone in the
distant future. There are two steps in this process which occur at
significantly different times. The first step is that someone loses
their purchasing power. Influence on the market is lost by the
compensating individual, and is essentially given to the rest of the
actors in the economy. Basically, money is taken out of the economy,
and therefore the rest of the money becomes more valuable: it gains
more power for coordinating the market.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second step is that
in the future, an individual comes into existence and is given the
money that had previously been taken out of the economy. This has the
effect of increasing the money supply. Predictably, the rest of the
money in the economy becomes less valuable. In other words, power for
market coordination is transferred from the rest of the economy to the
individual who is being compensated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It should be clear that
this is fundamentally different from monetary compensation which occurs
instantaneously. But the significance of this difference might not be
immediately apparent. Purchasing power is released into the economy in
the first step, and then essentially recaptured in the second; it might
seem like things ultimately balance out. But the problem comes into
focus when we recognize that the economy is populated by different
people when the purchasing power is released than it is when the
purchasing power is recaptured.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Essentially the problem is this.
When we compensate someone instantaneously, purchasing power is
transferred directly from us to them. But when we compensate someone in
the distant future, we transfer purchasing power from ourselves to the
other members of our generation, and then in the future, purchasing
power is transferred from the other members of the future person&amp;#39;s
generation to the future person. The purchasing power is not
transferred directly from us to the person to whom we are obligated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What does this mean?  I&amp;#39;m not sure.  I just thought it might be worth pointing out. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=21757" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Cost-Benefit Analysis in Light of the Non-Identity Problem</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/19/cost-benefit-analysis-in-light-of-the-non-identity-problem.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:48:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:19413</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>5</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=19413</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/19/cost-benefit-analysis-in-light-of-the-non-identity-problem.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;[Cross-posted on the &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So earlier I wrote about &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/search/label/Discounting"&gt;the role played by discounting&lt;/a&gt;
in doing cost-benefit analyses on the impacts of climate change. I
concluded that discounting of future damage is unethical because it
treats future people as if their interests matter less than present
people&amp;#39;s. But recently, I&amp;#39;ve &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/search/label/The%20Non-Identity%20Problem"&gt;also been discussing&lt;/a&gt;
the implications of the Non-Identity Problem, and it should be clear
that cost-benefit analysis needs to explain its relevance in light of
this problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For those who haven&amp;#39;t been paying attention (or have only recently begun seeing my blog at its spiffy new &lt;a href="http://mises.com/blogs/donny/"&gt;alternative location&lt;/a&gt;), I &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/01/harm-to-future-people-in-light-of-non.html"&gt;explained&lt;/a&gt; the relevance of the Non-Identity Problem like this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If
we were to act to prevent or mitigate climate change, we would bring it
about that people would spend their money on different things, travel
to different places, meet different people, get different jobs, and
most importantly, have different children (just think how tiny are the
chances of a particular spermatozoon fertilizing a particular egg!). In
100 years, it&amp;#39;s likely (if not certain) that the world would be
populated by an entirely different set of people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a
consequence of this &amp;quot;fact&amp;quot; (I will accept it as one), we are pretty
much forced to say that the people who inherit a world affected by
climate change are no worse off &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;than they could have been&lt;/span&gt;,
because if we had caused less climate change, they wouldn&amp;#39;t have
existed. Accordingly, it seems difficult to see how we could say that
climate change &amp;quot;harms&amp;quot; anyone; if we did anything differently &amp;quot;to&amp;quot;
them, they&amp;#39;d simply not exist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So if the people who
would face climate change will be different people than the ones who
would have existed if we didn&amp;#39;t cause climate change, how can we
reasonably talk about &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;costs&lt;/span&gt;
being incurred as a result of climate change? It seems like when we
talk about costs, we do rely on some sort of counterfactual, based on
what would have happened if the event in question hadn&amp;#39;t happened. For
example, let&amp;#39;s say I&amp;#39;m talking about a cost imposed on me by a car
accident. What I have in mind is that there is a difference between
what actually happened to me and what would have happened to me if the
accident hadn&amp;#39;t happened.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And when we talk about costs imposed
by climate change, it seems like we&amp;#39;re using the same sort of thinking:
the costs imposed by climate change represent the difference between
what happens to people in a climate change scenario, and what would
have happened to them in the absence of climate change. But as I&amp;#39;ve
said, what would happen to them in the absence of climate change is
that they wouldn&amp;#39;t exist. So how can we say that a cost has been
imposed?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&amp;#39;s my view that this is actually not a problem for
cost-benefit analyses at all. When we talk about what would have
happened if a particular event had not occurred, I don&amp;#39;t think it&amp;#39;s
necessary that it would actually have been possible for the event not
to have occurred. I might say, &amp;quot;What costs and benefits did I incur as
a result of being born male instead of female?&amp;quot; I couldn&amp;#39;t have been
born female; if my parents had a female child, it wouldn&amp;#39;t have been
me. But I still think we can ask such a question without speaking utter
gibberish.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some might be quick to point out that doing so would
involve a lot of serious difficulties, because we&amp;#39;d have to hypothesize
exactly what kind of life &amp;quot;I&amp;quot; would have lived, and we&amp;#39;d need to
somehow compare that life to the one I already have. In the same way,
it&amp;#39;s extremely difficult to establish what someone&amp;#39;s life would have
been like if climate change hadn&amp;#39;t affected them, and probably harder
still to compare that hypothetical life to the one that actually
happens. But it&amp;#39;s important to see that this problem isn&amp;#39;t confined to
situations characterized by the Non-Identity Problem. The same kind of
difficulties seem to be present when we ask, &amp;quot;What costs and benefits
did I incur as a result of majoring in philosophy?&amp;quot; And it seems to me
that any cost-benefit analysis is going to have to face these problems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So back to the real question: does the Non-Identity Problem create any &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;new&lt;/span&gt;
problems for cost-benefit analysis? It does if we think of costs as
representing harmful deviations from alternative possibilities&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;.  As I &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/01/do-future-people-have-right-to-inherit.html"&gt;pointed out&lt;/a&gt;
earlier, the concept of harm seems to include the idea of being moved
away from a baseline, and the sort of baseline we&amp;#39;d need to refer to
here is one where the individual couldn&amp;#39;t possibly be on the baseline.
If you couldn&amp;#39;t exist if certain things didn&amp;#39;t happen, then it&amp;#39;s hard
to see why we would say that you&amp;#39;re harmed by their happening. But
costs don&amp;#39;t need to be thought of as harmful to people. As I alluded to
earlier, I wouldn&amp;#39;t want to say that I was harmed by being born a male
instead of a female. My being male seems to be a necessary condition
for my existence. But I can still try to determine what costs being a
male has imposed on me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the fact that we can&amp;#39;t consider the
costs involved in future cost-benefit calculations to be harmful
doesn&amp;#39;t prevent us from being able to conduct the cost-benefit
analysis. But one thing we have to keep in mind is whether the costs
that we&amp;#39;d be measuring have any ethical significance. I want to think
more about that, so I&amp;#39;ll stop here.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=19413" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Discounting/default.aspx">Discounting</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/The+Non-Identity+Problem/default.aspx">The Non-Identity Problem</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Does the Fact that Individuals Discount Entail the Existence of a Social Discount Rate?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/15/does-the-fact-that-individuals-discount-entail-the-existence-of-a-social-discount-rate.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:09:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:19145</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>6</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=19145</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/15/does-the-fact-that-individuals-discount-entail-the-existence-of-a-social-discount-rate.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/02/cost-benefit-analysis-discounting-and.html"&gt;my last post&lt;/a&gt;,
I discussed the idea of discounting as it relates to cost-benefit
analysis. I reached the conclusion that discounting treats future
people&amp;#39;s interests as if they were less significant than our own, and
that if cost-benefit analysis aims to make people the best off, then
this seems like a bad practice. I received a reply from a fellow with
the handle of TokyoTom, which said the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Donny,
I don&amp;#39;t think that you&amp;#39;ve at all demonstrated that we don&amp;#39;t discount -
viz., that we try to make decisions on the basis that the preferences
of people who do not exist today should weigh as much as our own.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I
would disagree with that conclusion myself. Clearly individuals act on
the basis of their own preferences, which preferences may take into
consideration the supposed preferences of others, including future
generations. These others simply don&amp;#39;t have a vote on what my
preferences are - and is the collective actions of billions of
individuals alive today that similarly make decisions that bring about
tomorrow.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Tom (at least I assume his name is Tom) is
absolutely right to say that individuals clearly act as though value in
the future is worth less than the equivalent value today. If I were
trying to argue that people actually do make decisions as if future
people matter just as much as they do, I would be easily refuted. In
fact, I would be hard pressed to believe even that people behave as
though future people matter very much at all, never mind as though
their interests were equal to their own.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I never argued that
individuals don&amp;#39;t discount (in fact, I specifically acknowledged that
they do), or that individuals consider future individuals to be just as
important as themselves. Rather, I argued that discounting future
damage in cost-benefit analysis is unjust. What&amp;#39;s the difference? I&amp;#39;ll
try to illustrate with a series of examples.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let&amp;#39;s say that
we&amp;#39;re trying to decide whether to put a garbage dump in a neighborhood
populated exclusively by an ethnic minority (say, Hmong folks). We
perform a cost-benefit analysis to see what we should do. In the first
scenario, let&amp;#39;s say the Hmong folks in the neighborhood would prefer
not to have the garbage dump in their neighborhood, and the folks who
live outside of the neighborhood would prefer to have it there (not
because of any malice, but rather because they would gain use from it).
If (once we equalize for different valuation of money and all that) the
cost-benefit analysis shows that the outsiders would be willing to pay
more to have the dump than the Hmong folks would to not have it, then
we&amp;#39;d say that there&amp;#39;s a net benefit to putting the dump in; it&amp;#39;s worth
doing. And as far as we ignore all the problems with cost-benefit
analysis (that is, we don&amp;#39;t care what we do to the Hmong people as long
as it represents a net gain, and we&amp;#39;re okay with treating a single
metric as properly representing the wellbeing of these people), then
that&amp;#39;s all there is to it. The cost-benefit analysis has worked exactly
as advertised.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But now let&amp;#39;s say that the outsiders didn&amp;#39;t want
the garbage dump because they would benefit from it, but rather because
they&amp;#39;re evil hillbillies and they despise the Hmong people. The benefit
to them is not a self-interested benefit, but rather a benefit derived
from the cost to others. Perhaps if we give this kind of benefit equal
standing, the garbage dump goes in. But that seems like the wrong
conclusion. We might say the same if the garbage dump doesn&amp;#39;t go in
because the Hmong people don&amp;#39;t want the outsiders to get any benefit,
even though they wouldn&amp;#39;t really mind the dump being there. That&amp;#39;s why
most people who advocate cost-benefit analysis try really hard to
ensure that the costs and benefits they&amp;#39;re measuring reflect only the
costs and benefits &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;to the individuals they&amp;#39;re surveying&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Accordingly,
we wouldn&amp;#39;t want to say that the importance of future individuals&amp;#39;
wellbeing can be accounted for in cost-benefit analysis by seeing how &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;present people&lt;/span&gt; value their wellbeing.  What matters is how much &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;they&lt;/span&gt;
value their wellbeing. Once we recognize this, then it becomes clear
what we do when we discount their costs and benefits compared to
current people&amp;#39;s costs and benefits. What we do is to say that their
costs and benefits are &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;less significant&lt;/span&gt; than those of present people.  And it is &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;this&lt;/span&gt; practice which I claim to be unjust.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=19145" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Equality/default.aspx">Equality</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Discounting/default.aspx">Discounting</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Cost-Benefit Analysis, Discounting, and Climate Change</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/14/cost-benefit-analysis-discounting-and-climate-change.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:29:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:19064</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=19064</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/14/cost-benefit-analysis-discounting-and-climate-change.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on the &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I wrote a paper last semester on the notion of discounting future
damage (I&amp;#39;ll explain what this means below), and I wanted to revisit
the issue now that I&amp;#39;ve done a little more research, to see if I still
agree with what I wrote then. Basically, my paper examined how our
views of the proper role of discounting are dependent on our views
about what social policy is trying to achieve, and what kind of problem
climate change poses. Rather than putting my whole paper online and
critiquing it, I&amp;#39;m going to split it up into pieces and post each
separately. In my paper I examined four paradigms: (1) The goal of
social policy should be to allocate resources to their most efficient
uses, and climate change represents a challenge to accomplish this task
in a changing world; (2) The goal of social policy should be to
maximize the overall good, and climate change represents an obstacle in
the way of achieving this goal; (3) Climate change represents an
externality, and the goal of a climate policy should be to internalize
the externalized costs; (4) Climate change represents an overenclosure
of the commons, and the goal of a climate policy should be to remedy
this injustice. In this post, I will first go over what I mean by
&amp;quot;discounting future damage,&amp;quot; and then I will address the first paradigm
listed above.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So how does discounting play into discussions
about climate change? The most significant impacts of climate change
will not occur for a significant amount of time: we&amp;#39;re talking decades
or even centuries. The issue is how important that damage is compared
to the equivalent amount of damage today. In his essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.bepress.com/ev/vol4/iss3/art2/"&gt;Global Climate Change: A Challenge to Policy&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;quot;
Kenneth Arrow wrote that the dispute &amp;quot;...surrounds the appropriate
value for the social rate of time preference. This...allows for
discounting the future simply because it is the future, even if future
generations were no better off than we are. The Stern Review [a report
released by economist Nicholas Stern discussing the effects of global
climate change on the world economy] follows a considerable tradition
among British economists and many philosophers against discounting for
pure futurity. Most economists take pure time preference as obvious.&amp;quot;
So when we talk about discounting future damage, what we&amp;#39;re concerned
with is whether or not it&amp;#39;s acceptable to treat future damage as being
less important, just because it&amp;#39;s going to occur in the future.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So
with that in mind, let&amp;#39;s look at the paradigm of cost-benefit analysis:
policy should allocate social resources in the most efficient manner,
and climate change just represents a challenge for doing that. In its
most rudimentary form, cost-benefit analysis is a tool which allows
decision makers to allocate resources in the way that best matches &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;some relevant set of preferences&lt;/span&gt;.
For social decision makers, the relevant set of preferences would
clearly be those of society as a whole. Since groups are composed of
individuals, advocates of the cost-benefit approach feel that it is
reasonable to extrapolate society&amp;#39;s preferences from the preferences of
individuals. This view is implicit in the position taken by economist
Jerry Taylor, &lt;a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2006/11/28/nordhaus-vs-stern/"&gt;who favors&lt;/a&gt;
discounting future damage at a rate of 5% per year, because it
&amp;quot;...matches the return on Treasury bills - or, put another way, [it is]
the figure people apply themselves when considering the value of money
today versus the value of money tomorrow.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because the simple
cost-benefit perspective considers society as if it were a single
decision maker, needing only to allocate its own resources according to
its preferences, it is immediately clear why discounting would seem
obvious. The existence of a preference for value sooner rather than
later is a basic economic assumption which is rooted in cold empirical
fact. From this mindset, the question is not whether to use a discount
rate, rather what discount rate to use. Some, like Jerry Taylor, use
the discounting practices of the current marketplace. Others, like
economists Richard Newell and William Pizer, &lt;a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&amp;amp;_udi=B6V2W-4985V6J-5&amp;amp;_user=10&amp;amp;_coverDate=03%2F31%2F2004&amp;amp;_rdoc=8&amp;amp;_fmt=summary&amp;amp;_orig=browse&amp;amp;_srch=doc-info%28%23toc%235713%232004%23999679995%23456003%23FLA%23display%23Volume%29&amp;amp;_cdi=5713&amp;amp;_sort=d&amp;amp;_docanchor=&amp;amp;_ct=11&amp;amp;_acct=C000050221&amp;amp;_version=1&amp;amp;_urlVersion=0&amp;amp;_userid=10&amp;amp;md5=b8579c49df33bc7de6f835623b6e9d11"&gt;try to predict&lt;/a&gt;
how market discounting practices will vary over the discounting period,
suggesting a plausible range of 2-7%. But to debate the validity of
using discounting practices at all would be like asking a banker
whether she thought she should charge interest on a loan, or asking an
investor whether he cared about getting a return on his money.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So
if we accept the view sketched above, it&amp;#39;s clear that discounting is
not only acceptable, but almost obvious. But what should we think of
this view? I want to offer a few objections. First, cost-benefit
analysis doesn&amp;#39;t properly account for the individuality of its
subjects, and does not take into consideration the idea that
individuals should not be sacrificed for the sake of others. Second,
cost-benefit analysis supposes that all harms can be quantified
according to a single metric, which doesn&amp;#39;t seem right. Third, even if
we ignore the first two problems, it seems like discounting is
problematic when you consider the goals of cost-benefit analysis. Let
me flesh these out a little.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first objection is basically taken from &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Anarchy, State, and Utopia&lt;/span&gt;, where Nozick writes, &amp;quot;...there is no &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;social entity &lt;/span&gt;with
a good that undergoes a sacrifice for its own good. There are only
individual people, with their own individual lives. Using one for the
the benefit of others, uses him and benefits the others. Nothing more.
What happens is something is done to him for the sake of others. Talk
of an overall social good covers this up...To use a person in this way
does not sufficiently respect and take account of the fact that he is a
separate person, that his is the only life he has. &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;He&lt;/span&gt;
does not get some overbalancing good for his sacrifice, and no one is
entitled to force this upon him...&amp;quot; I think Nozick is absolutely right
here; we can&amp;#39;t weigh future people&amp;#39;s interests and current people&amp;#39;s
interests as if they were all held by the same person. Some notion of
proper respect for each group as ends in themselves seems necessary,
and the paradigm discussed here clearly lacks that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second objection, that a single metric is a suspicious way to evaluate wellbeing, is taken from an essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/whp/ev/2006/00000015/00000003/art00011"&gt;Values in the Economics of Climate Change&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;quot;
where Michael Toman wrote, &amp;quot;One other critique of climate change
economics as a guide to policy involves the use of a single-dimension
new benefit measure for evaluating different outcomes. This reflects
the standard assumption in economics that all costs and benefits are
commensurable and interchangeable once expressed in a common metric (a
monetary metric as a representation of unobservable utility). There may
be serious measurement problems in implementing such a reductionist
metric, but as a concept the notion of full tradeoffs and thus full &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;potential&lt;/span&gt;
compensability of losses from climate change is ubiquitous in the
economic model. This view differs from alternatives that see different
kinds of values as less commensurable, e.g., some losses of natural
beauty or function simply cannot be compensated by other welfare
gains.&amp;quot; Personally, I tend to think that these latter kinds of views
are probably closer to being right. For example, if the Hindus of India
are forced to abandon the Ganges as a result of climate change, what
kind of compensation could we reasonably expect them to be satisfied
with?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But even if we ignored the fact that the cost-benefit
model is ethically suspect, and that comparing every harm according to
the same metric is methodologically suspect (never mind the fact that
we could probably never conduct the kind of calculation necessary),
there would still be another problem. The third objection arises from
the fact that calculations of &amp;quot;costs and benefits&amp;quot; are supposed to
reflect utility, and therefore social preferences. The problem is that,
as we discussed earlier, the cost-benefit model is perfectly
comfortable with the idea of discounting. In his essay, &amp;quot;Environmental
Risk, Uncertainty and Intergenerational Ethics,&amp;quot; Kristian Skagen Ekeli
pointed out that &amp;quot;To discount the future implies that current interests
and preferences count for more than those of future generations.&amp;quot; When
we say that future damage should be discounted, what we&amp;#39;re basically
saying is that &amp;quot;society,&amp;quot; which is supposedly neutral between its
individual members, prefers current people to be happy over future
people, simply because they live earlier. How this makes sense is
beyond me. It seems that if we were trying to allocate resources to
impartially reflect their most efficient uses, we would need to weigh
people&amp;#39;s interests as being equally significant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So hopefully
those objections demonstrate two things. The first is that cost-benefit
analysis is a really crappy way to deal with the issue of climate
change. But if we use it anyway (which I suspect people will do,
because that&amp;#39;s how economics is done nowadays), then we shouldn&amp;#39;t
discount future damage. To do so would treat future people as if they
mattered less than present people, and that seems obviously
unacceptable. I am, of course, conspicuously ignoring the &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/search/label/The%20Non-Identity%20Problem"&gt;Non-Identity Problem&lt;/a&gt; completely, and I want to deal with that issue, but I guess I&amp;#39;ll leave that for later. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=19064" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Equality/default.aspx">Equality</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Discounting/default.aspx">Discounting</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item></channel></rss>