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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Back to the Drawing Board : Justice, Climate Change</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/Climate+Change/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Justice, Climate Change</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Cap and Trade vs. the Carbon Tax </title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/13/cap-and-trade-vs-the-carbon-tax.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:09:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:37687</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=37687</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/13/cap-and-trade-vs-the-carbon-tax.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" class="null"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006bad;"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I&amp;#39;ve been addressing the issue of anthropogenic climate change for some time now, and I haven&amp;#39;t said much in the way of addressing specific policy proposals. But I was just given a delightful present by one of my fellow FEE associates: a copy of the American Institute for Economic Research&amp;#39;s latest &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Economic Education Bulletin&lt;/span&gt;, entitled &amp;quot;The Global Warming Debate: Science, Economics, and Policy.&amp;quot; I didn&amp;#39;t read the whole thing, but my favorite part was definitely when William R. Cotton, a professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State, closed his completely science-oriented essay, &amp;quot;Summary View of Climate Change,&amp;quot; with:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;There are strong indications that our global climate is warming. But the question is, is the warming due to anthropogenic greenhouse gases, or is it due to some other forcing mechanisms (or their transient absence) and natural variability. As human population on Earth continues to increase, the chances of human-induced changes in climate due to greenhouse gases, aerosol pollution, or alterations in land use become increasingly likely. Thus, rather than consider climate engineering, we should devise methods of encouraging the reduction of population growth through economic and quality-of-life incentives.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Period, end of conversation. No comment on that gem anywhere else in the entire essay. Who&amp;#39;s got two thumbs and &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;loves it&lt;/span&gt;? This guy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But anyway, that&amp;#39;s not the point. Later in the publication was an essay by Kenneth P. Green, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, where it was argued that a carbon tax is superior to a cap-and-trade system. I bounced between frustration, amusement, and glee as I read it, and felt an immediate need to comment. Not because Green did a bad job--he did just fine--but because he was guilty of something which is very common among people who discuss climate change: he discussed the possible &amp;quot;solutions&amp;quot; to climate change without addressing the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;reasons&lt;/span&gt; that a policy was to be implemented in the first place, and how the different solutions worked to address those reasons. His argument for a tax scheme over a cap-and-trade scheme was simply that a tax scheme could achieve the same goals, but with better economic side-effects and less potential for failure. Fine, I&amp;#39;ll even grant it. But taxes and caps are fundamentally different policies, which only make even a little sense when confronted by specific sorts of problems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I should explain what I mean. &lt;a href="http://www.strike-the-root.com/72/shahar/shahar5.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6699cc;"&gt;I&amp;#39;ve discussed elsewhere&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; the idea that in order to make any sense from an ethical point of view, pollution taxes need to be based on the idea that an individual is justified in polluting if and only if she pays compensation to her victims for any damage done to them. That idea is controversial, but for our purposes we don&amp;#39;t need to address that controversy. The point is only that &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;even if&lt;/span&gt; we accept that idea as true, there are &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;still&lt;/span&gt; only certain kinds of instances in which the injustice of pollution can legitimately be dealt with through a tax on pollution. The paradigm cases are those instances in which the damage caused by pollution is directly proportional to the amount of pollution that there is, so that the tax becomes the &amp;quot;price&amp;quot; of compensating the victims of one&amp;#39;s actions for the costs one imposes upon them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cap and trade schemes, on the other hand, are built for an entirely different kind of problem. In a paradigm cap and trade situation, there is a threshold level of pollution with which policymakers are concerned, and at the threshold, a certain amount of damage is anticipated. The cap and trade scheme accordingly sets the cap at the relevant amount of pollution, and then distributes &amp;quot;shares&amp;quot; of the &amp;quot;environmental space&amp;quot; below that threshold in some way (e.g., auction, grandfathering system...). Because the allocations may be economically inefficient for whatever reason, the shares can then be traded in accordance with the wishes of their owners in order to ensure that the right to pollute is distributed to those individuals who are willing to pay the most for it (note that the normal objections to the &amp;quot;willingness to pay&amp;quot; criterion are avoided by passing the buck to the distribution process, which of course must be justified separately).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The point I want to make here is that global climate change is a very different phenomenon than the sorts of phenomena for which either of these policies is built to provide a solution. &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2007/12/emergent-problems.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#666699;"&gt;As noted elsewhere&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, climate change is an emergent problem. That is, climate change is not the result of any individual&amp;#39;s actions, but rather is the consequence of many individuals acting separately, so that no individual can reasonably be said to have been able to prevent climate change from occurring, and no individual could have caused climate change singlehandedly. Accordingly, it does not make sense to talk about the consequences of climate change in terms of marginal contributions. The amount of damage caused by climate change will not likely change recognizeably with an additional increment of CO2 (or any other forcing agent), so it&amp;#39;s not reasonable to try to put a price on how much damage &amp;quot;a unit of climate forcing&amp;quot; (expressed, perhaps, in terms of GWP, or Global Warming Potential, as defined by the IPCC?) causes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A tax on contributions to climate change, therefore, seems like a policy which would require a bit of shoehorning. Individuals paying the tax would not be paying the &amp;quot;social cost&amp;quot; of their particular contribution, taken in isolation, because that would be basically zero. They would need to be charged for their &amp;quot;portion&amp;quot; of the total amount of damage done by climate change. So what policymakers would need to do would be to determine the total amount of damage which would be done at the equilibrium price for pollution permits, and then sell the permits at that price. The problem then becomes one of economic calculation. It could be done to some degree, but it would be inherently imprecise. And remember: the end result needs to be that the victims get compensated, so the government would have to go into its own pockets (that is to say, the pockets of its treasury or, more realistically, the pockets of its Federal Reserve printing press) to take care of the balance if it aimed low. And as my wonderful economist friends would point out, there would be a considerable incentive to aim &lt;em&gt;high&lt;/em&gt;, creating a surplus revenue stream for the government which would almost certainly not be returned. So the tax is doable, kind of, but the problem is not the kind of thing that the tax is designed for. It&amp;#39;s just that you can use the tax to accomplish the end goal if you want.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The cap and trade system is a little harder to adapt to the task, but there are a number of ways that the idea can be useful. First, there is a level to which we could collectively exert a forcing on the climate system without producing objectionable consequences. This level of climate forcing &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a threshold which could be amenable to a &lt;em&gt;soft&lt;/em&gt; cap and trade scheme (soft like the baseball salary cap). In this kind of policy, the cap would be set at the level of forcing which would produce no negative consequences, and this &amp;quot;environmental space&amp;quot; would be allocated somehow (or, if people find this to be a bad idea, we would simply say that these shares should be allocated in proportion to one&amp;#39;s contribution to climate change, so that the soft cap has no effect). People not receiving these shares, or polluting in excess of their shares, would be filling environmental space which represented something like &amp;quot;harmful social emissions&amp;quot;. Because these emissions would not be legitimated by the soft cap, they would be the ones which would be subject to the obligation to compensate the victims (again, if the soft cap isn&amp;#39;t being used, as mentioned above, it would just be that everyone would have to participate in compensating the victims).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here a potential for another cap would become apparent: We might imagine that policymakers would decide on a level of pollution (corresponding to some amount of total damage) which was determined to be &amp;quot;socially desirable&amp;quot; somehow. Perhaps, using the same reasoning involved in the tax scheme discussed above, the policymakers would arrive at the level of pollution which would clear the market if everyone paid some price for it. Or perhaps the policymakers would identify a level of pollution beyond which &lt;em&gt;unacceptable&lt;/em&gt; results would occur, and the cap would be set there. In any case, you would then have to set a cap and allocate the shares. So again, the policy could be made to work. But the problems are simply that it&amp;#39;s difficult to identify a level of &amp;quot;unacceptable&amp;quot; pollution, it&amp;#39;s just as difficult to identify a market clearing price in this scheme as it is with the tax (assuming that the shares are auctioned, of course), and any other way of running the scheme is sure to carry either difficulties of its own, or charges of arbitrariness which would sever the connection between the problem and the solution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So ultimately, what we&amp;#39;re faced with is a situation in which the only two policy suggestions that are on the table are not particularly well suited to the task of &amp;quot;solving&amp;quot; the problems arising from climate change (and I haven&amp;#39;t even begun to address the question of how the compensation process would even work, or whether compensation could make climate change legitimate!), and the only way to make either of them work is to basically stretch and contort them until they are made to do the job acceptably. Doing so, it will be noted, requires in both cases that government decision-makers possess knowledge and foresight which they almost certainly do not have, and even then it&amp;#39;s unclear that the policies would work properly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obviously, there&amp;#39;s a lot more to say about this. I just wanted to get some preliminary thoughts down, and I think this was a good start. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=37687" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Appropriation+and+Environmentalism/default.aspx">Appropriation and Environmentalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Emergent+Problems/default.aspx">Emergent Problems</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Compensation/default.aspx">Compensation</category></item><item><title>Generational Rights</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/05/05/generational-rights.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 22:40:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:30948</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>66</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=30948</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/05/05/generational-rights.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;The conclusion that
we cannot infringe upon future people&amp;rsquo;s right by causing climate change may not
appeal to individuals who see injustice in the fact that by causing climate
change, the world we leave behind for future people could be substantially less
hospitable than it would have been if presently existing people had not caused
climate change.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;One might argue that
perhaps we do not infringe the rights of individual people by creating
dangerous or otherwise undesirable circumstances which are necessary conditions
for their existence, but we infringe the rights of &lt;i&gt;their generation&lt;/i&gt; by leaving behind a &amp;ldquo;spoiled&amp;rdquo; Earth.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;The appeal of this
notion is in the fact that a generation is simply the group of people who come
into existence during a particular period of time, and there is no requirement
for who exactly those people are.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So,
for example, we may say that a woman, Charlene, is a member of some generation
A.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If Charlene&amp;rsquo;s mother had conceived a
child with a different man than Charlene&amp;rsquo;s father, Charlene would never have
existed.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But so long as the child was
conceived around the same time as Charlene was, that child would have also been
a member of generation A.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Because the
identity of the generation does not depend on the identities of its members,
one might see an opportunity for getting around the Non-Identity Problem by
focusing on what happens to generations instead of individuals under different
policy choices.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;So do future
generations have a right to inherit an unspoiled Earth?&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;For that matter, do future generations have
rights at all?&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;We may once again recall
that rights represent the respect to which we are due as individuals and as
ends-in-ourselves.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Because of the
inclusion of individuality as a part of our conception of rights, it might be
said that generations cannot possibly have rights, because they are not
individuals.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But it seems reasonable to
say that to talk about respecting the individuality of a generation is only so
suggest that it should not be sacrificed for the interests of others&amp;mdash;namely,
other generations.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;One might point out
that other groups, like corporations or organized communities, can be seen as
&amp;ldquo;individuals&amp;rdquo; and &amp;ldquo;ends-in-themselves&amp;rdquo; in the sense that they are entities
which utilize means in the pursuit of their own distinct ends.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These entities can be &amp;ldquo;benefited&amp;rdquo; and
&amp;ldquo;harmed&amp;rdquo; in a meaningful sense by impairing their ability to pursue their own
goods, and so it would not be &lt;i&gt;inconceivable&lt;/i&gt;
to suppose that these entities had rights of their own which were not simply
the sums of the rights of their members (whether they can truly be &lt;i&gt;disrespected&lt;/i&gt; is a separate and
controversial issue, which we will not address here).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;It may be noted,
however, that generations do not seem to have an analogous &amp;ldquo;good of their own,&amp;rdquo;
and do not pursue their own distinct ends in any recognizable sense.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Any discussion of &amp;ldquo;the good of a generation&amp;rdquo;
seems like it could be nothing more than a vague statistical statement about
the good of its members.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Indeed, the
aforementioned groups can be seen as ends-in-themselves only through an
understanding of the way that they are &lt;i&gt;organized&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In the way that a body is composed of organs
which have &lt;i&gt;functions&lt;/i&gt; in terms of the
good of the body, a corporation&amp;rsquo;s constituent parts are &lt;i&gt;organized&lt;/i&gt; to promote the ends of the corporation.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The members of a generation, on the other
hand, have no identifiable function in terms of the good of the generation
itself.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Temporal coexistence does not
seem to illustrate the sort of &lt;i&gt;structure&lt;/i&gt;
which could make it meaningful to talk about a generation as an abstract entity
with a good of its own.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And if a
generation does not have a good of its own, then it is difficult to imagine how
we could disrespect it.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Accordingly, we
may conclude that generations cannot have rights, and so cannot have a right to
inherit an unspoiled Earth.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=30948" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/The+Non-Identity+Problem/default.aspx">The Non-Identity Problem</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Opportunity/default.aspx">Opportunity</category></item><item><title>Rights for Future People in Light of the Non-Identity Problem</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/05/04/rights-for-future-people-in-light-of-the-non-identity-problem.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 22:08:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:30682</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>3</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=30682</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/05/04/rights-for-future-people-in-light-of-the-non-identity-problem.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;To this point, we have identified
rights-infringements as occurring where climate change causes the
climate system to become more dangerous.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It
might seem, then, that wherever the impacts of a more dangerous climate
system are felt, rights will be infringed, into perpetuity.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;After
all, the mere passage of time between a cause and its effects does not
seem like the kind of feature which would lead us to deny that a
rights-infringement has taken place.&lt;/span&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;But we might take a different view if we thought that those upon whom the impacts of climate change will eventuate will &lt;i&gt;necessarily&lt;/i&gt; not be made any worse off than they possibly could have been.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;How could this be true?&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Consider the implications of climate change &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; being caused.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those
who otherwise would have contributed to climate change would spend
their money on different things, travel to different places, and get
different jobs.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;More importantly, they would meet different people, and fall in love under different circumstances.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;As Derek Parfit points out in his book, &lt;i&gt;Reasons and Persons&lt;/i&gt;, &amp;ldquo;Each of us grew from a particular pair of cells: an ovum and the spermatozoon by which, out of millions, it was fertilized.&amp;rdquo;&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If
our parents had conceived their children under substantially different
circumstances than the ones through which we were brought into
existence (perhaps even with different partners), the consequence would
be that we would not exist; other people would have existed instead.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Accordingly, Parfit observes:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0.5in 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;If
a choice between two social policies will affect the standard of living
or the quality of life for about a century, it will affect the details
of all the lives that, in our community, are later lived.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As a result, some of those who later live will owe their existence to our choice of one of these two policies.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;After one or two centuries, this will be true of everyone in our community.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;The
changes in our lifestyles that would be necessary in order to prevent
anthropogenic climate change seem like they would constitute the sort
of differences which would affect the identities of future people
within a relatively small number of generations.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Even
those communities which are completely isolated from the rest of
civilization would likely be affected by the decision not to cause
climate change, through differences in the climatic conditions in which
they lived.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Accordingly, we can say with a
reasonable level of certainty that if humanity does not cause climate
change, the people who will inherit the Earth will be a completely
different group of people than would have existed if climate change had
been allowed to occur.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Acknowledging this phenomenon, referred to as the Non-Identity Problem, we are faced with a startling conclusion.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If
we cause climate change, the people who will experience its effects
will be people who could not possibly have existed if climate change
had not occurred.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Accordingly, they will be no
worse off as a result of our choice to allow climate change to occur
than they could have been in any other scenario.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The climate change that they would face would be a necessary condition of their existence.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Confronted with this fact, we must ask, do we infringe these individuals&amp;rsquo; rights by contributing to climate change?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Perhaps the most intuitive response would be that we do not.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is a sense in which we generally think of rights-infringements as involving &lt;i&gt;harm&lt;/i&gt;
to their victims, and it difficult to identify any person among the
future generations who will have to deal with the impacts of climate
change who is &lt;i&gt;harmed&lt;/i&gt; by the actions of the present-day
contributors to climate change; none of them will be any worse off than
they could have been in any other scenario.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Essentially, the only thing that will have been done to them is that they will have been brought into existence.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And
while it is conceivable that in some cases, where a life is deemed to
be not worth living, it might be seen as harmful to be brought into
existence, this possibility does not seem to create problems for the
overall notion that bringing a different set of people into existence
is not a harmful act.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If harm is a core
component of rights, then, it seems that no rights are infringed when
future people, who are only brought into existence because of climate
change, have to deal with the effects of that climate change.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;But
some might point out that even if they are not technically worse off
than they could have been, the impacts of climate change will involve
definite &lt;i&gt;costs&lt;/i&gt; for future people.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Individuals
have interests in certain things being the case, and it imposes a cost
on them when those interests are hampered, even if their overall
wellbeing is not made any lower than it otherwise could have been.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;An
individual whose house is destroyed by a flood must still deal with
the consequences of that destruction, even if the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;flood&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;rsquo;s
occurrence is a necessary condition of that individual&amp;rsquo;s existence.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Accordingly,
one might coherently argue that individuals have a right not to have
their interests interfered with by others, even if those costs do not
result in the victim being made worse off as a result.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For example, James Woodward writes:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0.5in 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;In his moving memoir &lt;i&gt;Man&amp;rsquo;s Search for Meaning&lt;/i&gt;,
Viktor Frankl seems to suggest that, as a result of his imprisonment in
a Nazi concentration camp, he developed certain resources of character,
insights into the human condition, and capacities for appreciation that
he would not otherwise have had.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Let us suppose,
not implausibly, that Frankl&amp;rsquo;s mistreatment by the  was a
necessary condition for the richness of his later life, and that, had
the  behaved differently toward him, his life would have been, on
balance, less full and good.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It seems wildly
counterintuitive to suggest that it follows from this fact alone that
the  did not really wrong Frankl or violate his rights.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;I think that Woodward&amp;rsquo;s suggestion is completely correct.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It
does seem as though Frankl&amp;rsquo;s rights were infringed by the &amp;rsquo;
actions, even though he was not actually made worse off on the whole,
and that this is so because of the costs that were imposed on him.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As
we have discussed, the contributors to climate change will bring about
the occurrence of phenomena which will impose costs on future people.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If
we accept the view that the hampering of certain kinds of interests is
sufficient grounds for identifying a rights infringement, then, we
might be led to the position that climate change does infringe the
rights of future individuals.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;However,
we must note a critical difference between what it means for the 
to hamper Frankl&amp;rsquo;s interests and what it means for the contributors to
climate change to hamper future people&amp;rsquo;s interests.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We
can reasonably say that if the  had not imprisoned Frankl (and nor
did anyone else), then Frankl would have gone unimprisoned.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is not the case for those future individuals whose interests are affected by climate change.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If
the contributors to climate change had not acted as they did, it is not
as if the future individuals in question would have gone unaffected by
climate change.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They would have never come into existence.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;We
may think of this difference in terms of a particular set of
conditions&amp;rsquo; &amp;ldquo;distance&amp;rdquo; from some baseline representing the fulfillment
of some interest.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For Frankl, the relevant
baseline was a state of liberty, in which his interest in being free of
unjust imprisonment was fulfilled.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;By imprisoning Frankl, the  &amp;ldquo;moved&amp;rdquo; Frankl away from the baseline in a way that impeded his interest in freedom.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;On
the other hand, the future people who will be affected by climate
change will be born into a world in which they are inherently not &amp;ldquo;on&amp;rdquo;
the baseline of freedom from the costs that will be imposed upon them
by climate change.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;By the nature of their existence, this baseline is unattainable.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Where Frankl is moved off of his baseline, the future people who will be affected by climate change are not.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;It
seems intuitive to me that in order to have a right that something be
the case, it needs to be possible that that thing be the case.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If the thing in question is the integrity of my interest, then it must be possible that my interest is fulfilled.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But the future people&amp;rsquo;s interests which will be hindered by climate change cannot possibly be fulfilled.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Accordingly, it seems reasonable to say that future people have no right to these interests.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  &lt;span&gt;Reflecting upon our discussion of the nature of rights, this conclusion seems to be the correct one.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As we have said, rights reflect the respect to which individuals are due as ends-in-themselves.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If
it is impossible that a person exist unless certain things are the
case, then it seems odd to say that we could disrespect that person by
bringing it about that those things are the case (again, excluding the
possibility that the person&amp;rsquo;s life is not worth living).&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Accordingly,
it seems fair to conclude that we do not infringe future people&amp;rsquo;s
rights by causing phenomena that will impose costs upon them, so far as
the occurrence of those phenomena are necessary conditions of those
individuals&amp;rsquo; existence.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=30682" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/The+Non-Identity+Problem/default.aspx">The Non-Identity Problem</category></item><item><title>Climate Change and the Right to Culture</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/04/29/climate-change-and-the-right-to-culture.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:30:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:29840</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=29840</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/04/29/climate-change-and-the-right-to-culture.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;The Right to an Opportunity for Cultural Integration&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Focusing
only on property damage caused by climate change, it may be noted,
seems to leave out a large part of the picture of why people are
concerned about climate change.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In addition to
the impacts discussed so far, many would find objection the fact that
climate change will deprive members of certain social groups of the
opportunity to integrate themselves into the societies in which they
were raised, as a result of changes in the physical context in which
those societies have been able to flourish.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In
many situations, entire cultures will be forced to relocate in order to
continue to exist, and in some, they could vanish altogether.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Surely this is a troubling consequence of climate change.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But does it represent an infringement of rights?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;In
examining this question, we must take care to isolate the deprivation
of an opportunity for cultural integration from the other sorts of
rights infringements which we have been discussing so far.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For
example, if you are so deprived because your farm was flooded by ocean
water and you were forced to move, then the problem seems to be one of
property rights, and we already know what to say about it.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;To
avoid confusion, we will discuss cases where the deprived party&amp;rsquo;s
property is not being damaged in any way, and the only harm being done
seems to be the kind of cultural deprivation that we are concerned with
here.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Accordingly,
we will imagine a hypothetical scenario in which a young Pacific
Islander, Akiko, is setting about deciding what she wants for her life.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She owns no property, and has not settled in to any profession or living situation.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She is simply evaluating her options in order to choose how she will begin her adult life.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) suggests that small
island communities will be particularly vulnerable to climate change.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In
addition to submerging land on the island, sea level rise will likely
make storm surges more dangerous and exacerbate erosion and other
coastal hazards.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;On land, water resources will
likely be seriously compromised, and the introduction of salty ocean
water into the environment will likely make agriculture more difficult.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In
the ocean itself, changing environmental conditions could fundamentally
alter ecosystems, possibly affecting populations of fish and other
organisms on which the islanders rely.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Further,
a number of studies have concluded that the effects of climate change
on the tourism industry will produce generally negative outcomes for
island economies.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;All things considered, it might be unfeasible for Akiko to try to start a traditional life for herself on the island.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Changing
environmental conditions could make it impossible for her to live the
kind of life which has characterized her people in the past, and she
must act accordingly.&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;It seems clear that this is something of a sad story.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But
it might here be noticed that there are plenty of ways which one might
deprive a person of the opportunity to live in the manner for which
their culture is adapted, which would not involve any violations of
their rights.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For example, we might imagine a
community of small-scale farmers who have fallen on hard times on
account of the emergence of a large agribusiness corporation, whose
greater efficiency and high output caused market prices for the
farmers&amp;rsquo; goods to fall below a level which could support their
traditional lifestyles.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Jebediah, a child growing up in such a community, would seemingly be faced with a set of circumstances similar to Akiko&amp;rsquo;s.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Circumstances
would make it impossible for Jebediah to take his place in the culture
of his upbringing, much like Akiko was driven away from her heritage by
the changing environmental conditions on her island brought about by
climate change.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Presumably,
we would not think that the agribusiness corporation, in bringing its
products to market in higher quantities and better prices, was doing
anything wrong, even if it had no significant moral reason to support
its actions.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In fact, we might applaud it for
representing an increase in the wellbeing of its customers, who could
use the money they saved on purchasing food products to improve their
material conditions in ways that would have been otherwise unavailable
to them.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So surely its actions would not
represent infringements of any rights held by the young members of the
farming community, like Jebediah, who would be denied an opportunity to
carry on in the traditions of their parents.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And
so we might think that in the same way, Akiko&amp;rsquo;s rights are not
infringed when she is denied the opportunity to become integrated into
the culture of her upbringing by climate change.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;One
might object that there is a difference between Jebediah&amp;rsquo;s case and
Akiko&amp;rsquo;s, in that Akiko&amp;rsquo;s situation is the result of rights-infringing
damage to the environment in which her culture existed, whereas
Jebediah&amp;rsquo;s situation is the result of customers exercising their right
to withdraw their patronage from producers who do offer noncompetitive
products.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Jebediah lost his opportunity because
it was built upon an assumption of support from others which proved to
be false, and neither he nor any of his predecessors had any right to
this support.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Akiko&amp;rsquo;s elders, however, &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt;
have a right to the things that Akiko would need in order to exercise
her opportunity, and Akiko was only denied access to them because a
third party actor acted in a way that infringed upon rights.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;But
as we mentioned at the beginning of this section, we have to be careful
to avoid focusing on infringements of the rights of those whose
property is damaged by climate change.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those factors have already been accounted for.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And remember, we have stipulated that none of the property which is damaged belongs to Akiko.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So
this avenue of establishing Akiko&amp;rsquo;s rights seems closed: it seems
fairly clear that Akiko has no claim to the property of other people,
and her rights are not infringed when we damage that property.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Rights as a Member of a Community&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;However,
one might point out that Akiko&amp;rsquo;s claim is not centered on the property
damage itself, but rather its implications for the island community as
a whole.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Viewed holistically, Akiko&amp;rsquo;s community
is composed of a system of interdependences which can be &amp;ldquo;benefited&amp;rdquo; or
&amp;ldquo;harmed&amp;rdquo; in a way that cannot be understood simply as the sum of
impacts on individual members.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;From this
perspective, we harm the community not only when we harm a given
individual, but also when we interfere with an individual&amp;rsquo;s fulfillment
of her function in the community.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For example,
if a community depends on the agricultural products supplied by a
particular farmer, and we damage the farmer&amp;rsquo;s land so that his
productivity is constrained, then we not only harm the farmer, in that
his property is damaged, but we also harm the community as a whole, in
that the farmer filled an important &amp;ldquo;niche&amp;rdquo; as the provider of food for
the rest of the community.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;From
Akiko&amp;rsquo;s perspective, climate change is not only damaging a great deal
of others&amp;rsquo; property, but it is also destroying the integrity of the
community in which she was raised, and of which she expected and hoped
to become a part.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As we have described them, the
opportunities that Akiko has been deprived of seem to have been
dependent on the health of the community.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So it
might be that in objecting to the loss of her opportunity to be
integrated into her culture, what Akiko is really objecting to is the
loss of her community&amp;rsquo;s integrity due to the impairment of members&amp;rsquo;
functions due to climate change.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;But
what is so special about the &amp;ldquo;community&amp;rdquo; in this example which sets it
apart from other instances where an individual&amp;rsquo;s social functions are
impaired in a way that has negative implications for others?&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Imagine that Russell has been training himself to work as a laborer at a pogo stick factory in his town.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But when he arrives at the factory to apply for a job, he discovers that it has been destroyed by terrorists.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Unfortunately,
Russell&amp;rsquo;s only hope of supporting himself in his town was to work at
the pogo stick factory, and its destruction will force him to leave his
community.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  &lt;span&gt;In this case, it does not seem that the terrorists infringed on &lt;i&gt;Russell&amp;rsquo;s&lt;/i&gt; rights (though they almost certainly infringed on the factory owners&amp;rsquo; rights).&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But
it is nevertheless true that Russell depended on the factory&amp;rsquo;s ability
to fulfill its function as a provider of jobs, and by impairing that
function, the terrorists deprived Russell of the opportunity to
integrate himself into his community.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It seems
as though the only difference between Russell&amp;rsquo;s situation and Akiko&amp;rsquo;s
is that Russell&amp;rsquo;s situation was brought about by the impairment of the
functioning of a single member of the community, whereas Akiko&amp;rsquo;s was
brought about by the impairment of the functioning of multiple members.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I see no reason to think that this difference is morally significant.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Accordingly,
it seems fair to conclude that, while her tale is a sad one (as are
Jebediah&amp;rsquo;s and Russell&amp;rsquo;s), Akiko&amp;rsquo;s rights are not infringed as a result
of her being deprived of the opportunity to integrate herself into the
culture of her upbringing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=29840" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Opportunity/default.aspx">Opportunity</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Lifestyles/default.aspx">Lifestyles</category></item><item><title>A First Glance at What Rights Could Be Infringed by Climate Change</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/04/28/a-first-glance-at-what-rights-could-be-infringed-by-climate-change.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:18:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:29555</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=29555</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/04/28/a-first-glance-at-what-rights-could-be-infringed-by-climate-change.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h3 class="post-title entry-title"&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;
&lt;h3 class="post-title entry-title"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Climatic Shifts and the Right to Environmental Conditions&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The
most obvious kind of rights infringement which could be caused by
climate change involves damage done directly to individuals and
property by environmental phenomena. Easiest to think about are the
shifts in &amp;ldquo;normal&amp;rdquo; environmental conditions which are projected to
occur in response to human influences on the climate system. One
example of such a shift is the expected rise in sea level which will
occur as higher global temperatures melt a portion of the ice which
naturally covers part of the Earth&amp;rsquo;s land area, and cause thermal
expansion in the world&amp;rsquo;s oceans. As sea levels rise, some coastline
property will become submerged or otherwise damaged by encroaching
water lines, and in other places, salty ocean water will mix with the
water table beneath individuals&amp;rsquo; property, potentially killing
vegetation and destroying the conditions for certain agricultural
practices. So far as these sorts of impacts are the direct consequences
of anthropogenic climate change, it seems that we would intuitively
want to say that those who contributed to climate change will have
infringed on the rights of those who are harmed. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Similarly, as
regional climates shift towards new equilibrium states as the result of
anthropogenic forcings, it is likely that some of the natural processes
on which people depend will be interfered with. For example, most
organisms can only survive within a certain range of environmental
conditions. Inadequate or excessive rainfall, increased average
temperature, and other climatic factors could prove detrimental to the
capacity of certain organisms to flourish in areas which have
historically supported them well. Many individuals, notably farmers and
fishermen, may be adversely affected by the effects of shifts in their
regional climates for the organisms on which they rely. So far as these
individuals have a right not to be interfered with in pursuing their
livelihoods and wellbeing with the aid of resources which are naturally
available to them, it would seem to constitute an infringement of their
rights to push their climate systems out of their previous states,
bringing about environmental conditions which are injurious to their
interests and livelihoods.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It may be objected that the preceding
discussion assumes that individuals have a right to certain
environmental conditions, where no such right exists. I believe,
however, that such an argument would fail to take into account our
earlier discussion of rights. Conceivably, an objector would point to
the inherent instability and variability in the climate system, and
argue that clearly we are not entitled to complain about such changes.
But as we noted before, to have the right to something means only that
we are entitled to certain things from other moral agents. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For
example, no rights violation would occur if a naturally occurring shift
in your regional climate were to produce temperatures too high for you
to continue to grow wheat on your land. But if your neighbor installed
an enormous heater on the edge of his property and blew warm air onto
your property, killing your wheat crop, we might find good reason to
object. And it seems that the reason that we would object would be that
you have the right to certain environmental conditions, of which you
were being deprived by your neighbor&amp;rsquo;s actions. I think that this
objection does reflect something which we have an entitlement against
being deprived of in the absence of morally significant reasons, and so
far as climate change does inspire this objection, it constitutes an
infringement of rights of this kind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Altered Climate Systems and Diverted Damage&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not
all of the effects of climate change will occur as shifts in normal
conditions. For example, a world impacted by climate change will likely
see an increase in the frequency, duration, and severity of extreme
climate events like floods, droughts, and heat waves. It seems that
just as we have the right to have our property damaged by the direct
actions of others, we should have a right against damage resulting from
the amplification of an existing destructive force. Accordingly, by
making the climate system more dangerous, the contributors to climate
change would be infringing others&amp;rsquo; rights to the extent that more
damage resulted than would have in the absence of interference.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However,
this intuition is muddied by the fact that in an altered climate
system, we will almost certainly see an entirely different set of
climate events than would have occurred if no interference had taken
place. That is, it is not the case that we will see all of the floods,
droughts, and heat waves that would have occurred naturally, except
that many of them will last longer, and cause more damage, and there
will be some new ones. Rather, the floods, droughts, and heat waves
which normally would have occurred will never eventuate, and they will
be replaced with an entirely new set of floods, droughts, and heat
waves. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Going even further, even those extreme phenomena which
are not made more dangerous (in a statistical sense) by climate change
will likely occur in different patterns in an altered climate system.
For example, while some scientists believe that a warmer climate will
produce a greater number of more intense hurricanes, others believe
that there will be no such change. However, even if these skeptics are
correct, and hurricanes do not generally become more dangerous as a
result of climate change, it is almost certain that there will be
different hurricanes in an altered climate system.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because they
will be different events, affecting different areas at different times,
the new set of extreme climate phenomena will impact different people
in different ways. This raises an important difficulty in discussing
these impacts from the perspective of justice and rights. Intuitively,
it seems that we should take into account the fact that the climate
system is naturally destructive, and individuals should only be held
responsible for the additional damage that they cause. But in an
important sense, every extreme weather event, and so every instance of
damage, will be the result of the interference with the climate system.
We can only talk about the &amp;ldquo;additional&amp;rdquo; damage caused by interference
with the climate by aggregating the total damage done in the altered
climate system and comparing it to the total damage which would have
been done in the absence of interference.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But given the fact
that the damage in question will be distributed differently, impacting
some people more than it would have and others less, it is unclear
whether such an aggregation would be justified. As many have pointed
out in objecting to Utilitarianism and cost-benefit analysis, benefits
to some individuals do not &amp;ldquo;cancel out&amp;rdquo; costs to other individuals.
After all, the parties made worse off must still bear the entire burden
of their new circumstances; they do not experience any counterbalancing
good from the beneficial consequences which obtain for others. And
intuitively, it seems reasonable to think that we have a right not to
have damage inflicted on us, regardless of whether others are made
better off as a result. Accordingly, we might say that those who
interfere with the climate system violate others&amp;rsquo; rights to the extent
that they bring about consequences which are more damaging to those
individuals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Rights and Risk&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One
might object, however, that there are many ways of interfering with the
climate system which ostensibly cause some redistribution of climatic
events, producing winners and losers, but which we do not generally
think of as involving rights infringements. Given the chaotic nature of
the climate system, one might point out, very small interferences can
have important consequences elsewhere; as the saying goes, the flapping
of a butterfly&amp;rsquo;s wings in Brazil might cause a tornado in Texas. But
surely we do not need a morally significant reason to fly a kite, or to
go base jumping, or to operate a windmill, because of the tiny
disturbances which will be imposed on the climate system. And if this
is so, then what should we make of the idea that we have the right not
to have climatic damage diverted at us? As we have said, to have a
right to something means that others may not deprive you of it in the
absence of morally significant reasons. If no reasons are necessary to
justify interfering with the climate system in a way which could alter
the distribution of extreme climate events, then this seems to suggest
that we do not have a right against climatic damage being diverted at
us. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If this is true, then are no rights infringed as a result
of the diversion and amplification of the destructive force of the
climate system? We have good reason for thinking that the diversion of
climatic damage does not infringe rights. It will be noted that we
might still identify a problem with the fact that by causing climate
change, we cause a greater overall amount of damage. By contrast, the
eventual consequences of flying a kite on the climate system could just
as easily be positive as negative; a tornado might be caused, but just
as easily, a tornado might be prevented. Taken together, all of the
tiny interferences on the climate system which result from our everyday
activities likely do not cause a greater or lesser overall amount of
damage, especially on a long time scale. But what kind of right could
an individual possess which would be contingent on the overall amount
of damage done by the climate?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps the answer can be found
in the concept of risk. By increasing the total amount of damage which
will be inflicted by the climate system, contributors to climate change
increase individuals&amp;rsquo; risk of damage due to extreme climate events. And
if we add together the increase in the expected value of the climatic
damage done to all individuals over a given period, we will see that
the total will equal the amount by which the climate system was made
&amp;ldquo;more dangerous&amp;rdquo; by the interference in question. If we recognize a
right not to be put at greater risk of climatic damage by the actions
of others, then we arrive at a conclusion which matches our initial
intuitions perfectly: Rights are violated to the extent to which the
climate system was made &amp;ldquo;more damaging&amp;rdquo; by the contributors to climate
change. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The debate over whether or not we can have rights
based on risk is complex, and I will avoid addressing it here. But it
will be sufficient for our purposes to point out that by dealing with
the problem of altered climate systems in terms of risk, we arrive at
just the kind of answer that we expected to find from the beginning. Of
course, intuitions are often wrong, and we certainly have not proven
here that we have a right against exposure to risk. But we might say
that the fact that such a right matches our intuitions counts as
evidence that it is closer to being right than to being completely
wrong.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=29555" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx">Property Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category></item><item><title>What Does It Mean to Advocate a Market Solution to Climate Change?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/04/15/what-does-it-mean-to-advocate-a-market-solution-to-climate-change.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:22:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:27078</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>4</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=27078</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/04/15/what-does-it-mean-to-advocate-a-market-solution-to-climate-change.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on the &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/"&gt;parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The purpose of this post will be to tie together some ideas I&amp;#39;ve
been toying around with in other posts, in order to start working
towards a coherent introduction to my thesis on the libertarian
approach to thinking about climate change. Here goes nothing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Moving Past the Science&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a group, libertarians have not dealt well with the prospect of anthropogenic climate change.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As
most of the world scrambles to find &amp;quot;solutions&amp;quot; to what they anticipate
will be a serious problem for human civilization, the typical
libertarian approach to the issue has been to deny that climate change
is real, or to deny that humans have caused it.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There are two problems with this position.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;First,
the most vehement critics of what has become the &amp;quot;mainstream&amp;quot; view are
not particularly well qualified for their missions, and often
demonstrate a misunderstanding of their opponents&amp;#39; views which seem to
indicate that they don&amp;#39;t actually know what they&amp;#39;re arguing against.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Further, where there &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt;
well-qualified and well-informed &amp;quot;skeptics,&amp;quot; their positions tend to be
less vitriolic and more nuanced, being based more on uncertainty and
imperfect knowledge, to the point where their views end up falling
relatively close to those which are accepted by the mainstream
scientific community.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As far as I can tell, a
relatively strong case can be made in favor of questioning our ability
to know the precise truth about climate change, and our ability to
predict future states of the climate; the same cannot be said about the
position that climate change &lt;i&gt;is not&lt;/i&gt; happening, or that humans &lt;i&gt;are not&lt;/i&gt; causing it, or that it &lt;i&gt;will not&lt;/i&gt; continue into the future in any significant way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This leads to the second problem with the libertarian habit of
questioning the scientific basis for concern about climate change: it
does not address the question of what position libertarians would
endorse &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; climate change &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; happening. There is no reason to believe that anthropogenic climate change, or some substantively similar phenomenon, &lt;i&gt;could not&lt;/i&gt; happen. Accordingly, it seems extremely reasonable to ask what libertarians would say about such a phenomenon, &lt;i&gt;if we knew&lt;/i&gt; that it was occurring right now. In this article, I will sketch the kind of answer we should be looking for.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Market Failures and Government Inefficacy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Where climate change &lt;i&gt;has&lt;/i&gt; been discussed, by libertarians and others, it has generally been labeled as a market failure.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Economic
theory tells us that market failures occur whenever inefficient social
outcomes result from individuals acting on their own desires.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Looking
at climate change from this paradigm, we would notice that for most
individuals, the benefits of, say, driving a car instead of taking the
bus more than outweigh any costs they would ever incur from their
incremental contribution to climate change.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Accordingly, it will be in everyone&amp;#39;s interest to drive their car.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But
the predictable result of everyone making the sort of choices that
result in driving everywhere, instead of using public transportation,
is that we end up with climate change.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As Garrett Hardin &lt;a href="http://dieoff.org/page95.htm"&gt;famously wrote&lt;/a&gt;
&amp;quot;...we are locked into a system of &amp;quot;fouling our own nest,&amp;quot; so long as
we behave only as independent, rational, free enterprisers.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Simply recognizing this problem will not solve it.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Mitigating
climate change will involve sacrifices, and individuals will
undoubtedly resist making these sacrifices if they do not have the
assurance that others will follow suit.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Unfortunately,
getting individuals to voluntarily cut down on their contributions to
climate change would be fraught with difficulties, ranging from the
large costs of negotiating the agreement to the pervasive incentive to
&amp;quot;cheat&amp;quot;.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;These hurdles seem to rule out the kind of decentralized solution that the free-market is capable of providing.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The most obvious and widely discussed solution is the one Hardin suggests: legislation.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If
we know that we will &amp;quot;foul our own nest&amp;quot; if left to our own devices,
then it seems reasonable to impose rules on ourselves, and to punish
those who violate those rules, in order to ensure that we don&amp;#39;t bring
about our own destruction.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But many libertarians bristle at the
suggestion that central planning can solve the problems presented by
market failures. It seems unreasonable, they argue, to suggest that we
can fix an imperfect market by simply turning the matter over to the
government. After all, governments have problems of their own. As Gene
Callahan &lt;a href="http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid=8150"&gt;points out&lt;/a&gt;,
&amp;quot;Government interventions and &amp;quot;five year plans,&amp;quot; even when they are
sincere attempts to protect the environment rather than disguised
schemes to benefit some powerful lobby, lack the profit incentive and
are protected from the competitive pressures that drive private actors
to seek an optimal cost-benefit tradeoff.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Accordingly, a number
of libertarians have apparently taken the stance that we cannot hope
for an &amp;quot;optimal&amp;quot; level of climate stability, so our best option is to
simply face the realities of our suboptimal state of affairs. And
because, they continue, the free market is the most efficient system we
know of for allocating resources to best suit the needs of society, the
best way to face climate change would be to allow individuals the
freedom to adapt in their own way. As George Reisman &lt;a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/reisman/reisman39.html"&gt;writes&lt;/a&gt;,
&amp;quot;Even if global warming is a fact, the free citizens of an industrial
civilization will have no great difficulty in coping with it - that is,
of course, if their ability to use energy and to produce is not
crippled by the environmental movement and by government controls
otherwise inspired.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;Climate Change: A Matter of Justice&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This
view of the issue leaves out an important consideration which is
central to the libertarian paradigm: According to most accounts,
climate change will have victims.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This fact
brings us out of the realm of mere economic efficiency and forces us to
confront the issue from an ethical standpoint. Imagine if we were
trying to determine the proper social response to a particular theft.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It
might be true that of all social systems, a victim of theft would be
best equipped for dealing with her loss in an unfettered free-market.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She
would not need to consult a central planning board in order to replace
the things that were taken, and her higher purchasing power &amp;ndash; brought
about by her participation in a thriving market economy &amp;ndash; would enable
her to afford the replacement with comparative ease.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But surely libertarians would not be satisfied with this &amp;ldquo;solution.&amp;rdquo;&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In our story, the thief violated the &lt;i&gt;rights&lt;/i&gt; of his victim by stealing from her, and therefore he should be held accountable for fixing the damage he caused.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It
is crucial to acknowledge that holding the thief responsible does not
represent a departure from the normal course of the free-market; the
very functioning of the free-market is predicated on the recognition of
rights.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This reveals an important feature of the
libertarian position that the proper response to climate change is to
simply allow individuals the freedom to adapt to it: It assumes that
climate change does not represent an injustice.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If
climate change were an injustice, then the proper response would not
simply be to allow people to adapt: libertarians would need to advocate
the enforcement of justice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Accordingly, it seems like the proper libertarian stance on climate change needs to be stated in terms of justice.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The
scientific disputes and efficiency-based arguments which have thus far
characterized the libertarian position are wholly unbecoming of a
political philosophy built on the foundation of respect for
individuals&amp;rsquo; rights.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The libertarian community
needs to ask what kinds of rights, if any, are infringed by climate
change, and what should be done about those infringements.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Anything else would simply be unlibertarian.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=27078" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category></item><item><title>Is There a Right to Culture?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/04/03/is-there-a-right-to-culture.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:52:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:25179</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>5</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=25179</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/04/03/is-there-a-right-to-culture.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;[Cross-posted on the &lt;a class="null" href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Last week I had a conversation with my thesis advisor, Dr. Harry Brighouse, in which we discussed an interesting idea which I think might prove important in one way or another, and which I think is worthy of elaboration here. The idea was that a big part of what people are concerned about in discussing climate change is that members of certain social groups will be deprived of the opportunity to integrate themselves into the societies in which they were raised, as a result of changes in the physical context in which those societies were able to flourish.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To illustrate, we might travel to Bangladesh several decades in the future. In my imaginary scenario, sea levels are rising around the low-lying country, and the property of the locals is suffering considerable damage. However, because I am the master of this imaginary scenario, I&amp;#39;ll stipulate that we have fully compensated all of these property owners for the damage done to them (regardless of whether or not they would actually be entitled to this compensation). So everyone whose property is damaged by climate change is fine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But imagine that there is a child, Nadia, who has grown up in Bangladesh and is beginning to plan a life for herself. Perhaps it would be possible for Nadia to live in Bangladesh, but with the environmental damage being done to the area, perhaps it would be unfeasible for her to do so. It&amp;#39;s not that she has such great opportunities elsewhere, but rather that the prospect of living a good life in Bangladesh looks bleak. Accordingly, the best choice for Nadia and her peers might be to assimilate into another culture which would offer a more promising future. Would Nadia have been deprived of something to which she was entitled?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have stipulated that Nadia owned no property which was damaged, or that if she did, she was fully compensated for it. Further, we have stipulated that Nadia had not yet even chosen a profession, or settled down anywhere. She was simply deciding what she wanted for her life, and she saw that Bangladesh offered scarce opportunities for the kind of future she envisioned for herself. Given the way we normally think about rights violations, it doesn&amp;#39;t seem like we have wronged Nadia in any real way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But at the same time, I can see why Nadia would offer an objection. She might say that as a Bangladeshi, she would have wanted to be integrated into Bangladeshi society. Now, as a result of the effects of climate change, it will be extremely difficult for her to make that happen. Nadia&amp;#39;s claim, then, would seem to be that she had some kind of right which is infringed by other people making it difficult or impossible for her to become a part of the culture of her upbringing. And it does seem like a good portion of the concern aimed at climate change is directed at the idea that we would be infringing this kind of right by contributing to a state of affairs in which Nadia is forced to find a way of life which does not reflect her native culture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&amp;#39;s easy to sympathize with Nadia, and see how she would be frustrated by the state of affairs in which she finds herself. But does Nadia have any right like this? Do we act impermissibly when we put Nadia in this position?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/03/climate-change-vanishing-lifestyles-and.html"&gt;&lt;font color="#666699"&gt;a previous post&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, I discussed the possibility that in cases involving inheritances, the would-be inheritors of some valuable object might claim injustice if that object were damaged or destroyed, even if the person or people who owned that object at the time of its destruction were compensated. I said that while I understood why someone might see things that way, it would seem to go very much against the way we normally think about property rights, and I wasn&amp;#39;t sure I could defend the position. However, I didn&amp;#39;t think that the problem could be dismissed as easily as that, because there was something intuitively reasonable about the objection. But I&amp;#39;m not dealing with that issue here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In our story, Nadia isn&amp;#39;t inheriting any property. Therefore, we avoid all of the problems associated with Akiko&amp;#39;s case in the other post. Here, we&amp;#39;re dealing with a particular right not to an object, but to a kind of opportunity which is being denied to Nadia. Namely, the opportunity to become a member of the culture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But in spite of the differences between Nadia&amp;#39;s case and Akiko&amp;#39;s case, I want to reintroduce an example I used in the previous post:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;...we might point out that the above case sounds a lot like a story where an agrarian community is &amp;quot;destroyed&amp;quot; by industrialization and mass production. Small scale family farms can&amp;#39;t keep up with the low prices generated by the advanced practices of a local agribusiness concern, and can no longer support their old way of life. It&amp;#39;s a sad story, but we wouldn&amp;#39;t want to claim that any injustice has occurred. Perhaps as a society, we would want to help these farmers get back on their feet and find a new place in the market. But we wouldn&amp;#39;t want to blame the agribusiness for doing something wrong.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that if I were the offspring of one of the small scale farmers, I might feel frustration towards the agribusiness, but I would have no legitimate claim against them. So if we&amp;#39;re going to attribute to Nadia the kind of right we&amp;#39;re talking about here, we need to give some reason for thinking that Nadia&amp;#39;s situation is fundamentally different from the industrialization case. In the earlier post, I pointed out that the small scale farmers&amp;#39; frustration is the result of relying on something which they never had any right to: the support of their customers. But the source of Nadia&amp;#39;s frustration is less clear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We might say that Nadia simply wants to be offerred an appealing job in the location in which she wants to work, and a place to live which matches what she hoped for. If we phrase Nadia&amp;#39;s frustration this way, then it is clear that she has no right to these things, as they too require something of others. But this seems unfair to Nadia&amp;#39;s case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that Nadia&amp;#39;s objection is more holistic in nature. She sees her cultural community as a distinct entity, to which we could coherently apply the concepts of stability and integrity. When healthy and vital, that community would provide her with a range of opportunities to try to make a life for herself &lt;em&gt;without any active facilitation by any members of the community&lt;/em&gt;. Certainly she could choose to pursue other opportunities, and this would not be a problem for anyone. But the option would be available to her if she wanted it. By causing climate change, we degrade Nadia&amp;#39;s community, and diminish her opportunities. Nadia&amp;#39;s objection seems to be that the degradation of her community, which is the result of the actions of those who contributed to climate change, represents a wrong done to her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is an interesting idea,&amp;nbsp;but is not one which I know how to handle.&amp;nbsp; I think it would be best to take some time to digest it. So having set up this discussion, I&amp;#39;ll leave settling it for another time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=25179" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx">Property Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Appropriation+and+Environmentalism/default.aspx">Appropriation and Environmentalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Opportunity/default.aspx">Opportunity</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Lifestyles/default.aspx">Lifestyles</category></item><item><title>Climate Change, Vanishing Lifestyles, and Children</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/25/climate-change-vanishing-lifestyles-and-children.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:56:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:23664</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=23664</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/25/climate-change-vanishing-lifestyles-and-children.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a class="" href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So in &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/03/climate-change-and-getting-out-of-way.html"&gt;&lt;font color="#6699cc"&gt;a previous post&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, I discussed a case in which rising sea levels, resulting from a warming of the Earth, caused the salinization of a Bangladeshi farmer&amp;#39;s land, so that he could no longer grow rice on it in the way to which he was accustomed. I concluded that as the owner of the land, with full property rights, he should be entitled to compensation for any damage done to him by those contributing to climate change. And it seems like this could be extended to any member of the contributors&amp;#39; generation who were harmed by climate change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But costs associated with climate change will not only be incurred by individuals who are alive now, they will be realized by future people as well. The nature of the cost to future people, however, is less clear than the nature of the costs to existing people. This post will explore a sort of impact which seems to be central to people&amp;#39;s concern about climate change, but which is difficult to deal with in the framework of human rights. Namely, many communities will be impacted in a way that makes it difficult for them to continue their cultural existence, making it necessary for the children of those cultures to find fundamentally different ways of living.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, indigenous communities in Africa will see progressively more significant alterations to their natural setting as the climate continues to change. Plants and animals which were once prevalent in the region will no longer be fit for survival there, and new species will move in. Knowledge developed over centuries will no longer be effective. Being ill adapted for life in a fundamentally different climate, it is conceivable that these communities will be unable to survive in the manner in which they have for countless generations. They would have to find a new way to live.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What do we say about this? It is clear that a great number of people are concerned about precisely this sort of problem, and cite it as a reason to be worried about climate change. But does it tell a story of injustice? Many people&amp;#39;s intuitions say yes. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, we might point out that the above case sounds a lot like a story where an agrarian community is &amp;quot;destroyed&amp;quot; by industrialization and mass production. Small scale family farms can&amp;#39;t keep up with the low prices generated by the advanced practices of a local agribusiness concern, and can no longer support their old way of life. It&amp;#39;s a sad story, but we wouldn&amp;#39;t want to claim that any injustice has occurred. Perhaps as a society, we would want to help these farmers get back on their feet and find a new place in the market. But we wouldn&amp;#39;t want to &lt;em&gt;blame&lt;/em&gt; the agribusiness for doing something wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If there is no wrongdoing in the industrialization case, where communities might be unable to sustain their old lifestyles as the result of the actions of others, then can we consistently hold that there is injustice being done to indigenous people by climate change? Or are we simply setting indigenous communities on a pedestal because they&amp;#39;re different and mysterious, and we somehow think that by being so unusual, these individuals come to have different rights than the rest of us?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that there is a critical difference between the destruction of the indigenous community caused by climate change and the destruction of the agrarian community caused by industrialization. In the industrialization case, it&amp;#39;s not as if the agribusiness made it impossible for the family farmers to continue farming. Rather, the problem arises because the family farmers were depending on the support of their customers in order to sustain themselves. Given that their customers had the right to remove their support at any time, it should be clear that the farmers were depending on others making choices which they could permissibly not make, or stop making at any time. The agribusiness, with its greater efficiency, could offer much lower prices than the family farmers, and their customers decided to withdraw their support, &lt;em&gt;as was their right&lt;/em&gt;. It should be clear that in our story, the agribusiness never did anything &lt;em&gt;to&lt;/em&gt; the family farmers. It simply revealed the fact that the family farmers could only continue to sustain themselves in their traditional manner if their customers continued to voluntarily purchase their products. The family farmers never had any right to that support, and so when it was withdrawn, no right was violated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand, it doesn&amp;#39;t seem like the indigenous communities in question depend on anyone for their continued survival. They require only that their environments not be modified so as to make them incompatible with their lifestyles. And as far as these indigenous communities have been making use of their environments for centuries, it seems fair to say that they have some legitimate claim to their not being negatively affected by the actions of other people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I suspect that if we told the agrarian story in a way that matched the indigenous story, our intuitions would tell us that we were dealing with a rights violation. For example, let&amp;#39;s say an agrarian community depended on an underground stream to bring water to the region with which to grow crops. Now imagine that someone diverted the flow of water through the area so that the community&amp;#39;s land ran dry. Surely we would say that the diversion of the water flow represented a wrong done to the farmers, right?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the same way, it seems that changing the climate in a way that would negatively impact indigenous peoples&amp;#39; ability to continue living in their traditional manner would be unjust. But this is not new ground. This conclusion is pretty much the same as the one I reached in my post about the Bangladeshi farmer and the rising sea levels. I want to go one step further here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I mentioned before, the intuition that people have about this sort of case is not simply that our alteration of the climate is wrong because it harms currently existing indigenous peoples&amp;#39; ability to live in the manner to which they are accustomed. The problem is also that their children will be unable to live in that manner. That is, the issue is not just what happens to the people whose lives are made difficult by climate change, but also what happens to the people who will be unable to live in the traditional manner dictated by their culture, and what consequently happens to the culture itself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In order to isolate these factors from the harm done to the currently existing indigenous individuals, we might imagine that these individuals have been fully compensated for the damage done to them as individuals. This compensation not only takes into account the damage to their property, but also the damage to their character and psyche; the currently existing indigenous individuals recognize they were wronged, but acknowledge that they have been compensated adequately for all that &lt;em&gt;they personally&lt;/em&gt; have endured.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now we might imagine that one of these indigenous individuals has a child, Akiko. Akiko is raised in the indigenous culture, but sees that she will be unable to support herself in the traditional way. She will need to live a fundamentally different lifestyle from that of her people in order to survive. If we are to sustain that climate change will result in injustice to people like Akiko, then we must say that Akiko is wronged by having to find a way of life which differs from her culture&amp;#39;s traditions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At first glance, this might seem absurd. I grew up in Westport, CT; do I have the right to a house there? I have a friend who comes from a family of doctors; does he have the right to be one too? Surely we don&amp;#39;t want to say that people have a right to live like the people who brought them up lived. We must find some other way to explain what is wrong with Akiko&amp;#39;s situation if we are to be taken seriously.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A clue can be found in the fact that just like in the example with the agribusiness and the family farmers, my demands about a house in Westport and my friend&amp;#39;s demands for a doctor job require things of others. Given that I have no right to anything from these people, it seems ridiculous to suggest that I am wronged if they do not provide me with something. I do have the right to &lt;em&gt;try&lt;/em&gt; to buy a house in Westport, and my friend has the right to &lt;em&gt;try&lt;/em&gt; to be a doctor. But given that having a house or being a doctor require the voluntary consent of others (in my case, the consent of the house&amp;#39;s previous owner; in my friends case, the consent of the hiring institution and of the customers who choose to purchase his services), we cannot have the right to these things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Akiko&amp;#39;s demands would also be rooted in her getting others&amp;#39; consent. That is, she does not own her people&amp;#39;s land; the older members of her culture do. But the kind of consent Akiko requires is very different from the kind of consent I would need in order to get a house, in that Akiko &lt;em&gt;has&lt;/em&gt; that consent. Akiko&amp;#39;s people, we presume, would gladly allow Akiko to use, and even to own, the group&amp;#39;s land. In the absence of climate change, Akiko would be able to support herself in the traditional way using nothing but this land. But because of the effects of climate change, the land will not be able to support her in the traditional way. The substance of Akiko&amp;#39;s complaint, then, might seem to be that she should have inherited enough resources to sustain herself, but that climate change diminished those resources to make it impossible for her to use them in the way her culture would have suggested.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This leads us to an interesting idea. Remember, we have said that the current owners of the land were fully compensated for all of the damage &lt;em&gt;done to them&lt;/em&gt; by the effects of climate change on their land. Akiko&amp;#39;s complaint is that there is a gap between what she &lt;em&gt;should have&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;inherited&lt;/em&gt; and what she actually did inherit. In order to satisfy Akiko (if we have interpreted her complaint correctly), we would need to take the view that by damaging the indigenous people&amp;#39;s land, we not only wronged those people, but also the people who stood to inherit the land later. The &amp;quot;damage done&amp;quot; would be the damage done to the current owners, as well as the &amp;quot;damage&amp;quot; done to the future owners who &amp;quot;should have&amp;quot; inherited the land in its original condition, but instead inherited it in a damaged and less useful state. Accordingly, Akiko too would be entitled to compensation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, from Akiko&amp;#39;s standpoint, this seems like it would be a fair solution. Because climate change destroyed her people&amp;#39;s ability to live off the land, every generation of people in her community would be compensated for the damage done to the land. I&amp;#39;m not sure if this would actually be right, though. It seems to go completely against the way we normally think about damage and liability. I&amp;#39;d like to think about this some more, but I think this was a good place to start.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=23664" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx">Property Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Appropriation+and+Environmentalism/default.aspx">Appropriation and Environmentalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Opportunity/default.aspx">Opportunity</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Lifestyles/default.aspx">Lifestyles</category></item><item><title>Climate Change and Market Definition of Property Rights</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/25/climate-change-and-market-definition-of-property-rights.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:35:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:23571</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=23571</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/25/climate-change-and-market-definition-of-property-rights.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A fellow named Gregory &lt;a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2473166537823294555&amp;amp;postID=9042719525283935343&amp;amp;page=1"&gt;responded&lt;/a&gt; to my post, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/03/can-free-market-solve-problems-posed-by.html"&gt;Can the Free Market Solve the Problems Posed by Climate Change?&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; with an argument which I think deserves to be discussed in some depth.  Gregory wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If
the market has not arrived at an efficient means regulating itself
(compensating those damaged) then a government certainly will not be
able to affect such a regulation efficiently. The cost of the
regulation must be weighed against the benefit it provides. If economic
growth is retarded by inefficient regulations, do we not harm future
generations more than by waiting for the market to develop a mechanism
to efficiently distribute justice?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gregory
highlights the fact that the market has not yet developed an efficient
way to enforce the property rights involved in discussions of climate
change. I agree that on some level, to indict the free market for this
fact would be problematic. In his essay, &amp;quot;Market-Based Environmentalism
and the Free Market: They&amp;#39;re Not the Same,&amp;quot; Roy Cordato wrote &lt;blockquote&gt;...environmental
problems are not an unavoidable side effect of a free-market economy.
Instead, they occur because the institution setting--the property
rights structure--required for the operation of a free market is not
fully in place. Because, in all modern societies, government has taken
nearly complete responsibility for the establishment and maintenance of
this institutional setting, environmental problems are more
appropriately viewed as manifestations of government failure, not
market failure.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mark Pennington bolsters this view in
his essay, &amp;quot;Liberty, Markets, and Environmental Values: A Hayekian
Defense of Free-Market Environmentalism,&amp;quot; when he writes, &amp;quot;Transaction
costs are not the sole preserve of the market system...and we commit
the &amp;quot;nirvana fallacy&amp;quot; if we suggest the alternative to an imperfect
market is a government immune from the same sort of problems.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I
completely agree with these two authors, and Gregory, in saying that
ill-defined and unenforced property rights are at the root of most (if
not all, depending on your definition of &amp;quot;property rights&amp;quot;) of the
problems associated with climate change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Further, I agree that
the free market can solve some of the inadequacies in the process of
enforcing justice, but often only if allowed to work without
interference. Pennington writes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Although proponents of
free-market environmentalism recognize that environmental markets have
limits owing to the prevalence of transaction costs, they contend that
these problems are more like to be overcome within an institutional
framework supportive of private contractual arrangements. In this
perspective, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;all&lt;/span&gt;
environmental externalities represent potential profit opportunities
for entrepreneurs who can devise ways of defining private-property
rights and arranging contracts (via technological innovations, for
example) so that those currently free riding on collective goods or
imposing negative external effects (for example, water pollution) on
their neighbors are required to bear the full costs of their actions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That
being said, I do think that we oversimplify if we simply suppose that
the market will find a way to handle the problem in an acceptable
manner, and leave it at that. In issues of justice, the &amp;quot;There are many
ways to skin a cat&amp;quot; approach taken by the free market might not be
acceptable. Improper conceptions of property rights are not simply
inefficient, they are unjust. In his speech, &amp;quot;Another Take on Free
Market Environmentalism: A Friendly Critique,&amp;quot; David Roodman
highlighted this idea when he said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Fine, I own my car.
And you own your lungs. Property rights are allocated, seemingly. So
now can we reach happy agreement about how to resolve the conflict? Fat
chance. More likely, thousands of drivers and breathers will end up
suing each other and then the problem will end up in the lap of the
court, which would have to decide precisely where the right to free
enjoyment of one&amp;#39;s car stops and the right to free enjoyment of one&amp;#39;s
lungs starts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Later, he quipped, &amp;quot;Judges did not free the slaves; in fact, they tightened the bondage.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I
don&amp;#39;t mean to imply that libertarian judges would be unable to come up
with a decent solution. I&amp;#39;m only suggesting that the answer might not
be as simple as Rothbard made it sound when he wrote, in chapter 13 of
his &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Human Nature&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...it
would not be a very difficult task for Libertarian lawyers and jurists
to arrive at a rational and objective code of libertarian legal
principles and procedures based on the axiom of defense of person and
property, and consequently of no coercion to be used against anyone who
is not a proven and convicted invader of such person and property. This
code would then be followed and applied to specific cases by
privately-competitive and free-market courts, all of whom would be
pledged to abide by the code, and who would be employed on the market
proportionately as the quality of their service satisfies the consumers
of their product.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem, in addition to the
simple fact that this could be difficult to do, is that this group of
Libertarian lawyers and jurists would need to arrive at decisions
somehow. Either they could do so in accordance with majority opinion or
some other procedural way, or (as I suspect Rothbard is aiming at) they
could do so in accordance with the true principles of justice. If the
former were the case, then I see no reason why we would call the result
&amp;quot;rational and objective.&amp;quot; And if the latter, then we should be able to
replicate the activities of these lawyers and jurists on our own. But
as those who have been keeping up with my work have undoubtedly seen,
the task is not quite as simple as Rothbard makes it sound.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One
approach would be to take a somewhat left-libertarian angle and say
that climate change represents injustice due to an over-enclosure of
the atmospheric commons. Edwin Dolan took this approach in his essay,
&amp;quot;Science, Public Policy, and Global Warming: Rethinking the Market
Liberal Perspective.&amp;quot; Dolan wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Liberalism in
America, in particular, grew up in a Lockean state of nature where it
was really true, or at least seemed true, that homesteaders, loggers,
grazers, and industrialists could take what they needed while leaving
&amp;quot;enough and as good for others.&amp;quot; What the environmentalist side of the
global warming debate is telling us is that we no longer live in such a
world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because those responsible for climate change
have, according to Dolan, taken more than their fair share, they must
be subject to the demands of justice. He insists, &amp;quot;Defending the rights
of property that has been unjustly acquired is a conservative position,
not a liberal one.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But this approach has its difficulties. One
problem is the fact that the atmospheric CO2 sink is not really a
limited resource. The problem is not that &amp;quot;...the atmospheric commons -
namely, the Earth&amp;#39;s carbon absorbing capacity - are finite and
depletable,&amp;quot; as Tariq Banuri and Erika Spanger-Siegfried characterized
it in their essay &amp;quot;Equity and the Clean Development Mechanism: Equity,
Additionality, Supplementarity.&amp;quot; As far as we&amp;#39;re concerned (though
technically this isn&amp;#39;t true), we can dump as much CO2 into the
atmosphere as we want. It&amp;#39;s not like one day we&amp;#39;ll light a fire and the
CO2 won&amp;#39;t go into the atmosphere. The thing that&amp;#39;s available in limited
quantities is the atmosphere&amp;#39;s capacity to absorb CO2 without causing
any harm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In light of this fact, the right way to allocate the
resource in question is somewhat unclear. In a world in which we do
exceed the total CO2 emissions we could release without causing
objectionable climate change, what is the real significance of the
amount of CO2 which we &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;could have&lt;/span&gt; emitted without causing harm?  This, I think, is a problem which reflects the fact that climate change is an &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2007/12/emergent-problems.html"&gt;emergent problem&lt;/a&gt;, and is therefore sort of different from other problems we normally face.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of
course, even if we figure out the significance of this &amp;quot;harmless sink
capacity,&amp;quot; there still remains a boatload of work to do in order to
determine exactly who is responsible for what emissions, what rights
are violated by climate change, whether non-rights-violating actions
can be justly interfered with, what exactly we should hold people
accountable for, who should bear what burdens, what accountability
entails, what our accountabilities to future people are and how they should be enforced, and how we should administer all of this (I&amp;#39;m sure I&amp;#39;m leaving
stuff out). Never mind the scientific uncertainty plaguing every step
of the process.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;At the end of the day, we can talk all we want
about the market figuring out the answers to climate change through
incentives for the enforcement of justice, but someone&amp;#39;s going to have
to figure this stuff out. If it can be done, hopefully I&amp;#39;ll be able to
figure out how, or at least set the process in motion for other people.
I really hope that answers your question somehow!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=23571" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx">Property Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Appropriation+and+Environmentalism/default.aspx">Appropriation and Environmentalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Emergent+Problems/default.aspx">Emergent Problems</category></item><item><title>Climate Change and Getting Out of the Way</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/21/climate-change-and-getting-out-of-the-way.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:06:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:23151</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>9</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=23151</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/21/climate-change-and-getting-out-of-the-way.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Imagine for a moment that you are Abdul, a Bangladeshi rice farmer. You
have farmed rice your entire adult life, and you plan to continue into
the foreseeable future. Unfortunately, Bangladesh is an extremely
low-lying nation; almost all of the country&amp;#39;s land lies below 10m above
sea level, and your farm is no exception. As global temperatures rise
and progressively less ice covers the Earth&amp;#39;s surface, the sea level
will predictably rise slowly over the next century.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fortunately, Bangladesh already &lt;a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/bangladesh-at-the-mercy-of-climate-change-436950.html"&gt;has a system of dykes&lt;/a&gt;,
originally built to withstand storm surges in harsh weather, which can
be bolstered to hold back the rising ocean. Your land will likely avoid
becoming permanently submerged. But as sea water mixes with the water
table, your rice crops could end up unable to survive the increase in
salinity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now let&amp;#39;s say that we were able to satisfactorily
trace the rising sea levels to global climate change, and were able to
trace the changes in salinity directly to the rise in sea level, so
that we &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;knew&lt;/span&gt; that the impacts
on your land were the result of climate change. Would there be any
injustice here, and if so, what kind of injustice would it be?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On
one hand, it does seem like you could reasonably object to any damage
directly caused by the increase in sality. Clearly we would have a
problem with a group of people directly dumping a bunch of salt on your
land and killing your rice crop. It seems that the problem would
persist if, using underground piping, they pumped salty water into the
water table under your land, even if they never left their own
property. I don&amp;#39;t see why the injustice would disappear if, using a
giant oceanic turbine, the individuals propelled ocean water towards
the Bangladeshi dike system, resulting in the salinization of your
land. If this would be a problem, then it seems odd to say that there
would be no wrong done if, using a giant furnace, the individuals
melted away Arctic ice until the sea level rose, sending ocean water
into your water table. Finally, then, it seems odd to think that it
would be acceptable if the group of individuals released a gas into the
atmosphere which would predictably result in ice melting and sea level
rise, which would in turn result in ocean water entering your water
table. Accordingly, it seems that if we could establish a causal link
between the emitters&amp;#39; actions and the salinization of your land, then
you would be entitled to compensation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An important question, though, is what exactly you should be compensated for.  For example, what if there were a &lt;a href="http://www.plantbreeding.org/index.php?section_id=3&amp;amp;story_id=207"&gt;salt-resistant&lt;/a&gt;
variety of rice that you could use instead of the kind you had been
using? Or what if you could sell your land to prawn farmers, for whom
the saltier conditions were ideal? Would these alternatives lessen the
injustice done to you? As Nozick writes in &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Anarchy, State, and Utopia&lt;/span&gt;, &amp;quot;Does the compensation to &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;X&lt;/span&gt; for &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Y&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#39;s actions take into account &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;X&lt;/span&gt;&amp;#39;s best response to these actions, or not?  If &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;X&lt;/span&gt; responded by rearranging his other activities and &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;assets&lt;/span&gt; to limit his losses (or if he made prior provision to limit them), should this benefit &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Y&lt;/span&gt; by lessening the compensation he must pay?  Alternatively, if &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;X&lt;/span&gt; makes no attempt to rearrange his activities to cope with what &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Y&lt;/span&gt; has done, must &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Y&lt;/span&gt; compensate &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;X&lt;/span&gt; for the full damage &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;X&lt;/span&gt;
suffers?&amp;quot; Nozick doesn&amp;#39;t provide an answer, but it&amp;#39;s clear that this is
a question that will need to be dealt with in any conversation like
this one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do we have an obligation to &amp;quot;get out of the way&amp;quot; of
damage? Do boundary crossers have an obligation to compensate us for
the inconvenience of getting out of the way, and any residual damage?
Or do boundary crossers have an obligation to compensate us for the
damage that would have occurred if we didn&amp;#39;t get out of the way,
regardless of what we do? This is no trivial matter. Let&amp;#39;s say that you
anticipated the sea level rise, and purchased salt-resistant rice in
order to be ready. If the salt-resistant rice worked as advertised, and
you could continue to farm your rice, would that be the end of the
discussion? Could the emitters simply say that you adapted, and
therefore they were freed from responsibility? It seems clear to me
that you could still reasonably demand compensation for the
inconvenience of having to switch crop varieties. And if the
genetically modified rice were more expensive, or more difficult to
farm, I think you could fairly demand compensation for those things as
well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But would that be the end of it? I think that on some
level, this is reasonable. I could see how someone might take the
alternative view, and say that you were entitled to compensation for
the damage that would have occurred in the absence of adaptive
behavior, and that your adaptation should benefit you, and not the
boundary crosser. However, I think that perhaps we might placate the
holder of this view by conceding that perhaps you are not &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;obligated&lt;/span&gt;
to adapt, and if you don&amp;#39;t, you might be entitled to compensation for
the damage that is done, even if you could have prevented it. This too
will be objectionable, but it at least offers a starting point for
debate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is another reason we might want to say that you
should only be entitled to compensation for the inconvenience of
adapting and for any residual damage: such a policy would be more &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;efficient&lt;/span&gt;.
Efficiency is certainly not an overriding concern in matters of
justice, but that doesn&amp;#39;t mean it is unimportant. By compensating for
the inconvenience of adaptation and any residual damage, the boundary
crosser would be paying for all of the actual external costs produced
by her actions. Making her pay for damages which never actualize would
seem to mean that we would be, in a sense, &amp;quot;overcharging.&amp;quot; For boundary
crossings that we don&amp;#39;t think are worthy of prohibition, we would
effectively rule out an entire class of actually net beneficial actions
which, if adaptive measures &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;were&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;not&lt;/span&gt; taken, would not be net beneficial.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In
the preceding discussion, however, we have implied that by switching to
salt-resistant rice, you avoided more costs than you incurred during
the switch. In other words, we have assumed that in the absence of
compensation, it was profitable for you to switch. Given the fact that
in our story you switched, it seems pretty clear that you &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;believed&lt;/span&gt;
it would be profitable to do so. But what if you were wrong? What if
the salt-resistant rice was not a worthwhile investment? Could you
reasonably demand compensation for the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;additional&lt;/span&gt;
costs produced by your bad decision? On one hand, it seems like you
should be held responsible, since it was your choice to try the
salt-resistant rice. But on the other hand, it seems like the only
reason you bought the salt-resistant rice in the first place was
because you knew your land was going to be, essentially, &amp;quot;invaded&amp;quot; by
salt &amp;quot;sent&amp;quot; by the emitters. I&amp;#39;m not completely sure what to say about
this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So where do we stand? It seems like we can legitimately
say that you have reason to object to the salinization of your land,
and that if you could demonstrate a causal link, you could reasonably
demand compensation from those responsible. But from there, things get
a little less clear. I think I&amp;#39;m comfortable with the idea that you are
entitled to compensation for the costs of adaptation, and for any
residual damage. I&amp;#39;m less comfortable with the idea that someone should
be responsible for &amp;quot;adaptation&amp;quot; costs that actually increased the total
costs of the incident (we might make the case that such behavior isn&amp;#39;t
even properly considered &amp;quot;adaptive&amp;quot;). So I guess I&amp;#39;ve arrived somewhat
short of a firm conclusion. But I hope this will be a good starting
point for future discussion.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=23151" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx">Property Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category></item><item><title>Can the Free Market Solve the Problems Posed by Climate Change?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/20/can-the-free-market-solve-the-problems-posed-by-climate-change.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:22:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:22953</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>103</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=22953</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/20/can-the-free-market-solve-the-problems-posed-by-climate-change.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When confronted by the possibility of climate change, many
libertarians default to the position that the free market, with its
ability to mobilize the ingenuity of the economy for the satisfaction
of the desires of the people, will provide the solutions we desire. I
want to discuss this view, because I think it is the result of a
mistaken understanding of the nature of the free market. For an example
of this view, consider George Reisman&amp;#39;s comments in his essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae5_2_1.pdf"&gt;Environmentalism in the Light of Menger and Mises&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The
appropriate answer to the environmentalists is that we will not
sacrifice a hair of industrial civilization, and that if global warming
and ozone depletion really are among its consequences, we will accept
them and deal with them--by such reasonable means as employing more and
better air conditioners and sun block, not by giving up our air
conditioners, refrigerators, and automobiles.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In his essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/reisman/reisman34.html"&gt;Global Warming Is Not a Threat But the Environmentalist Response to It Is&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;quot; Reisman elaborates:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
...if global warming is a fact, the free citizens of an industrial
civilization will have no great difficulty in coping with - that is, of
course, if their ability to use energy and to produce is not crippled
by the environmental movement and by government controls otherwise
inspired.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He goes on to say that global warming&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...would
certainly not be too great a problem for tens and hundreds of millions
of free, thinking individuals living under capitalism to solve. It
would be solved by means of each individual being free to decide how
best to cope with the particular aspects of global warming that
affected him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reisman makes an important point.
When it comes to allocating resources efficiently, the free market is
unparalleled in its effectiveness. In his essay, &amp;quot;The Use of Knowledge
in Society,&amp;quot; Hayek explained:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...knowledge of the
circumstances...never exists in concentrated or integrated form, but
solely as the dispersed bits of incomplete and frequently contradictory
knowledge which all...separate individuals possess. The economic
problem of society is thus not merely a problem of how to allocate
&amp;quot;given&amp;quot; resources--if &amp;quot;given&amp;quot; is taken to mean given to a single mind
which deliberately solves the problem set by these &amp;quot;data.&amp;quot; It is rather
a problem of how to secure the best use of resources known to any of
the members of society, for ends whose relative importance only these
individuals know. Or, to put it briefly, it is a problem of the
utilization of knowledge not given to anyone in its totality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hayek points out that&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...there
is...a body of very important but unorganized knowledge which cannot
possibly be called scientific in the sense of knowledge of general
rules: the knowledge of the particular circumstances of time and place.
It is with respect to this that practically every individual has some
advantage over all others in that he possesses unique information of
which beneficial use might be made, but of which use can be made only
if the decisions depending on it are left to him or are made with his
active cooperation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He concludes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If we
can agree that the economic problem of society is mainly one of rapid
adaptation to changes in the particular circumstances of time and
place, it would seem to follow that the ultimate decisions must be left
to the people who are familiar with these circumstances, who know
directly of the relevant changes and of the resources immediately
available to meet them. We cannot expect that this problem will be
solved by first communicating all this knowledge to a central board
which, after integrating &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;all &lt;/span&gt;knowledge, issues its orders.  We must solve it by some form of decentralization.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This decentralization is the free market.  Hayek explains that&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...in
a system where the knowledge of the relevant facts is dispersed among
many people, prices can act to coordinate the separate actions of
different people in the same way as subjective values help the
individual to coordinate the parts of his plan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And
indeed, it&amp;#39;s been demonstrated in practically every instance that the
free market has the capacity to satisfy the wants of the population
better than centrally organized alternatives. So I think Reisman is
largely right in saying that when it comes to adapting to new problems,
the market does do great work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But when we talk about the free
market, we generally have two things in mind. The first, which Reisman
focuses on, is a system in which property titles are traded voluntarily
in a mutually beneficial way, resulting in a continuous progression
towards a more efficient allocation of resources. But the second, which
underpins the first, is a system in which rights are enforced, so that
individuals who infringe on the rights of others are punished, and
those whose rights are infringed are compensated for the harm they
suffer. It is my contention the Reisman&amp;#39;s argument breaks down by
completely brushing off this second feature of the market.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Imagine
if we were trying to discuss the proper social response to a particular
theft. It might be true that of all social systems, a victim of theft
would be best equipped for dealing with her loss in a capitalistic free
market. She would not need to consult a central planning board in order
to replace the things that were taken, and her higher purchasing power,
enabled by her participation in a thriving market economy, would enable
her to afford the replacement with comparative ease.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yet we would obviously not be satisfied with this &amp;quot;solution.&amp;quot;  The reason is simple.  The thief did something &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;wrong&lt;/span&gt;,
and therefore, the thief ought to be held responsible for fixing it,
never mind that we should perhaps have tried to stop the theft from
happening in the first place. Accordingly, by suggesting that we simply
allow the free market to operate so that adaptation will be easier,
Reisman is smuggling in the claim that we do nothing wrong to the
victims of climate change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This seems obviously contentious. The
question should not be, as Reisman seems to want to make it, whether or
not the free market is the best system for facilitating adaptation to
changing conditions. The question is whether we do something unjust by
contributing to climate change. To be fair, Reisman briefly addresses
this issue, as &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2007/12/emergent-problems.html"&gt;I discussed here&lt;/a&gt;.
But my point is that by glossing quickly over the issue of justice,
many libertarians have completely missed the point. If the free market
is to be relied on to provide a &amp;quot;solution&amp;quot; to climate change, it must
be through a strict adherence to the principles of justice. If we
simply ignore injustice, and define fairness in terms of mere
participation in the market, then we cannot claim to be advocating
libertarianism.&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=22953" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx">Property Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Appropriation+and+Environmentalism/default.aspx">Appropriation and Environmentalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Cost-Benefit Analysis in Light of the Non-Identity Problem</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/19/cost-benefit-analysis-in-light-of-the-non-identity-problem.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:48:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:19413</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>5</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=19413</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/19/cost-benefit-analysis-in-light-of-the-non-identity-problem.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;[Cross-posted on the &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So earlier I wrote about &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/search/label/Discounting"&gt;the role played by discounting&lt;/a&gt;
in doing cost-benefit analyses on the impacts of climate change. I
concluded that discounting of future damage is unethical because it
treats future people as if their interests matter less than present
people&amp;#39;s. But recently, I&amp;#39;ve &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/search/label/The%20Non-Identity%20Problem"&gt;also been discussing&lt;/a&gt;
the implications of the Non-Identity Problem, and it should be clear
that cost-benefit analysis needs to explain its relevance in light of
this problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For those who haven&amp;#39;t been paying attention (or have only recently begun seeing my blog at its spiffy new &lt;a href="http://mises.com/blogs/donny/"&gt;alternative location&lt;/a&gt;), I &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/01/harm-to-future-people-in-light-of-non.html"&gt;explained&lt;/a&gt; the relevance of the Non-Identity Problem like this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If
we were to act to prevent or mitigate climate change, we would bring it
about that people would spend their money on different things, travel
to different places, meet different people, get different jobs, and
most importantly, have different children (just think how tiny are the
chances of a particular spermatozoon fertilizing a particular egg!). In
100 years, it&amp;#39;s likely (if not certain) that the world would be
populated by an entirely different set of people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a
consequence of this &amp;quot;fact&amp;quot; (I will accept it as one), we are pretty
much forced to say that the people who inherit a world affected by
climate change are no worse off &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;than they could have been&lt;/span&gt;,
because if we had caused less climate change, they wouldn&amp;#39;t have
existed. Accordingly, it seems difficult to see how we could say that
climate change &amp;quot;harms&amp;quot; anyone; if we did anything differently &amp;quot;to&amp;quot;
them, they&amp;#39;d simply not exist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So if the people who
would face climate change will be different people than the ones who
would have existed if we didn&amp;#39;t cause climate change, how can we
reasonably talk about &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;costs&lt;/span&gt;
being incurred as a result of climate change? It seems like when we
talk about costs, we do rely on some sort of counterfactual, based on
what would have happened if the event in question hadn&amp;#39;t happened. For
example, let&amp;#39;s say I&amp;#39;m talking about a cost imposed on me by a car
accident. What I have in mind is that there is a difference between
what actually happened to me and what would have happened to me if the
accident hadn&amp;#39;t happened.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And when we talk about costs imposed
by climate change, it seems like we&amp;#39;re using the same sort of thinking:
the costs imposed by climate change represent the difference between
what happens to people in a climate change scenario, and what would
have happened to them in the absence of climate change. But as I&amp;#39;ve
said, what would happen to them in the absence of climate change is
that they wouldn&amp;#39;t exist. So how can we say that a cost has been
imposed?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&amp;#39;s my view that this is actually not a problem for
cost-benefit analyses at all. When we talk about what would have
happened if a particular event had not occurred, I don&amp;#39;t think it&amp;#39;s
necessary that it would actually have been possible for the event not
to have occurred. I might say, &amp;quot;What costs and benefits did I incur as
a result of being born male instead of female?&amp;quot; I couldn&amp;#39;t have been
born female; if my parents had a female child, it wouldn&amp;#39;t have been
me. But I still think we can ask such a question without speaking utter
gibberish.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some might be quick to point out that doing so would
involve a lot of serious difficulties, because we&amp;#39;d have to hypothesize
exactly what kind of life &amp;quot;I&amp;quot; would have lived, and we&amp;#39;d need to
somehow compare that life to the one I already have. In the same way,
it&amp;#39;s extremely difficult to establish what someone&amp;#39;s life would have
been like if climate change hadn&amp;#39;t affected them, and probably harder
still to compare that hypothetical life to the one that actually
happens. But it&amp;#39;s important to see that this problem isn&amp;#39;t confined to
situations characterized by the Non-Identity Problem. The same kind of
difficulties seem to be present when we ask, &amp;quot;What costs and benefits
did I incur as a result of majoring in philosophy?&amp;quot; And it seems to me
that any cost-benefit analysis is going to have to face these problems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So back to the real question: does the Non-Identity Problem create any &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;new&lt;/span&gt;
problems for cost-benefit analysis? It does if we think of costs as
representing harmful deviations from alternative possibilities&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;.  As I &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/01/do-future-people-have-right-to-inherit.html"&gt;pointed out&lt;/a&gt;
earlier, the concept of harm seems to include the idea of being moved
away from a baseline, and the sort of baseline we&amp;#39;d need to refer to
here is one where the individual couldn&amp;#39;t possibly be on the baseline.
If you couldn&amp;#39;t exist if certain things didn&amp;#39;t happen, then it&amp;#39;s hard
to see why we would say that you&amp;#39;re harmed by their happening. But
costs don&amp;#39;t need to be thought of as harmful to people. As I alluded to
earlier, I wouldn&amp;#39;t want to say that I was harmed by being born a male
instead of a female. My being male seems to be a necessary condition
for my existence. But I can still try to determine what costs being a
male has imposed on me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the fact that we can&amp;#39;t consider the
costs involved in future cost-benefit calculations to be harmful
doesn&amp;#39;t prevent us from being able to conduct the cost-benefit
analysis. But one thing we have to keep in mind is whether the costs
that we&amp;#39;d be measuring have any ethical significance. I want to think
more about that, so I&amp;#39;ll stop here.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=19413" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Discounting/default.aspx">Discounting</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/The+Non-Identity+Problem/default.aspx">The Non-Identity Problem</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Does the Fact that Individuals Discount Entail the Existence of a Social Discount Rate?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/15/does-the-fact-that-individuals-discount-entail-the-existence-of-a-social-discount-rate.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:09:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:19145</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>6</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=19145</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/15/does-the-fact-that-individuals-discount-entail-the-existence-of-a-social-discount-rate.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/02/cost-benefit-analysis-discounting-and.html"&gt;my last post&lt;/a&gt;,
I discussed the idea of discounting as it relates to cost-benefit
analysis. I reached the conclusion that discounting treats future
people&amp;#39;s interests as if they were less significant than our own, and
that if cost-benefit analysis aims to make people the best off, then
this seems like a bad practice. I received a reply from a fellow with
the handle of TokyoTom, which said the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Donny,
I don&amp;#39;t think that you&amp;#39;ve at all demonstrated that we don&amp;#39;t discount -
viz., that we try to make decisions on the basis that the preferences
of people who do not exist today should weigh as much as our own.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I
would disagree with that conclusion myself. Clearly individuals act on
the basis of their own preferences, which preferences may take into
consideration the supposed preferences of others, including future
generations. These others simply don&amp;#39;t have a vote on what my
preferences are - and is the collective actions of billions of
individuals alive today that similarly make decisions that bring about
tomorrow.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Tom (at least I assume his name is Tom) is
absolutely right to say that individuals clearly act as though value in
the future is worth less than the equivalent value today. If I were
trying to argue that people actually do make decisions as if future
people matter just as much as they do, I would be easily refuted. In
fact, I would be hard pressed to believe even that people behave as
though future people matter very much at all, never mind as though
their interests were equal to their own.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I never argued that
individuals don&amp;#39;t discount (in fact, I specifically acknowledged that
they do), or that individuals consider future individuals to be just as
important as themselves. Rather, I argued that discounting future
damage in cost-benefit analysis is unjust. What&amp;#39;s the difference? I&amp;#39;ll
try to illustrate with a series of examples.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let&amp;#39;s say that
we&amp;#39;re trying to decide whether to put a garbage dump in a neighborhood
populated exclusively by an ethnic minority (say, Hmong folks). We
perform a cost-benefit analysis to see what we should do. In the first
scenario, let&amp;#39;s say the Hmong folks in the neighborhood would prefer
not to have the garbage dump in their neighborhood, and the folks who
live outside of the neighborhood would prefer to have it there (not
because of any malice, but rather because they would gain use from it).
If (once we equalize for different valuation of money and all that) the
cost-benefit analysis shows that the outsiders would be willing to pay
more to have the dump than the Hmong folks would to not have it, then
we&amp;#39;d say that there&amp;#39;s a net benefit to putting the dump in; it&amp;#39;s worth
doing. And as far as we ignore all the problems with cost-benefit
analysis (that is, we don&amp;#39;t care what we do to the Hmong people as long
as it represents a net gain, and we&amp;#39;re okay with treating a single
metric as properly representing the wellbeing of these people), then
that&amp;#39;s all there is to it. The cost-benefit analysis has worked exactly
as advertised.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But now let&amp;#39;s say that the outsiders didn&amp;#39;t want
the garbage dump because they would benefit from it, but rather because
they&amp;#39;re evil hillbillies and they despise the Hmong people. The benefit
to them is not a self-interested benefit, but rather a benefit derived
from the cost to others. Perhaps if we give this kind of benefit equal
standing, the garbage dump goes in. But that seems like the wrong
conclusion. We might say the same if the garbage dump doesn&amp;#39;t go in
because the Hmong people don&amp;#39;t want the outsiders to get any benefit,
even though they wouldn&amp;#39;t really mind the dump being there. That&amp;#39;s why
most people who advocate cost-benefit analysis try really hard to
ensure that the costs and benefits they&amp;#39;re measuring reflect only the
costs and benefits &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;to the individuals they&amp;#39;re surveying&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Accordingly,
we wouldn&amp;#39;t want to say that the importance of future individuals&amp;#39;
wellbeing can be accounted for in cost-benefit analysis by seeing how &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;present people&lt;/span&gt; value their wellbeing.  What matters is how much &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;they&lt;/span&gt;
value their wellbeing. Once we recognize this, then it becomes clear
what we do when we discount their costs and benefits compared to
current people&amp;#39;s costs and benefits. What we do is to say that their
costs and benefits are &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;less significant&lt;/span&gt; than those of present people.  And it is &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;this&lt;/span&gt; practice which I claim to be unjust.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=19145" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Equality/default.aspx">Equality</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Discounting/default.aspx">Discounting</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Cost-Benefit Analysis, Discounting, and Climate Change</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/14/cost-benefit-analysis-discounting-and-climate-change.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:29:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:19064</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=19064</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/14/cost-benefit-analysis-discounting-and-climate-change.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on the &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I wrote a paper last semester on the notion of discounting future
damage (I&amp;#39;ll explain what this means below), and I wanted to revisit
the issue now that I&amp;#39;ve done a little more research, to see if I still
agree with what I wrote then. Basically, my paper examined how our
views of the proper role of discounting are dependent on our views
about what social policy is trying to achieve, and what kind of problem
climate change poses. Rather than putting my whole paper online and
critiquing it, I&amp;#39;m going to split it up into pieces and post each
separately. In my paper I examined four paradigms: (1) The goal of
social policy should be to allocate resources to their most efficient
uses, and climate change represents a challenge to accomplish this task
in a changing world; (2) The goal of social policy should be to
maximize the overall good, and climate change represents an obstacle in
the way of achieving this goal; (3) Climate change represents an
externality, and the goal of a climate policy should be to internalize
the externalized costs; (4) Climate change represents an overenclosure
of the commons, and the goal of a climate policy should be to remedy
this injustice. In this post, I will first go over what I mean by
&amp;quot;discounting future damage,&amp;quot; and then I will address the first paradigm
listed above.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So how does discounting play into discussions
about climate change? The most significant impacts of climate change
will not occur for a significant amount of time: we&amp;#39;re talking decades
or even centuries. The issue is how important that damage is compared
to the equivalent amount of damage today. In his essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.bepress.com/ev/vol4/iss3/art2/"&gt;Global Climate Change: A Challenge to Policy&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;quot;
Kenneth Arrow wrote that the dispute &amp;quot;...surrounds the appropriate
value for the social rate of time preference. This...allows for
discounting the future simply because it is the future, even if future
generations were no better off than we are. The Stern Review [a report
released by economist Nicholas Stern discussing the effects of global
climate change on the world economy] follows a considerable tradition
among British economists and many philosophers against discounting for
pure futurity. Most economists take pure time preference as obvious.&amp;quot;
So when we talk about discounting future damage, what we&amp;#39;re concerned
with is whether or not it&amp;#39;s acceptable to treat future damage as being
less important, just because it&amp;#39;s going to occur in the future.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So
with that in mind, let&amp;#39;s look at the paradigm of cost-benefit analysis:
policy should allocate social resources in the most efficient manner,
and climate change just represents a challenge for doing that. In its
most rudimentary form, cost-benefit analysis is a tool which allows
decision makers to allocate resources in the way that best matches &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;some relevant set of preferences&lt;/span&gt;.
For social decision makers, the relevant set of preferences would
clearly be those of society as a whole. Since groups are composed of
individuals, advocates of the cost-benefit approach feel that it is
reasonable to extrapolate society&amp;#39;s preferences from the preferences of
individuals. This view is implicit in the position taken by economist
Jerry Taylor, &lt;a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2006/11/28/nordhaus-vs-stern/"&gt;who favors&lt;/a&gt;
discounting future damage at a rate of 5% per year, because it
&amp;quot;...matches the return on Treasury bills - or, put another way, [it is]
the figure people apply themselves when considering the value of money
today versus the value of money tomorrow.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because the simple
cost-benefit perspective considers society as if it were a single
decision maker, needing only to allocate its own resources according to
its preferences, it is immediately clear why discounting would seem
obvious. The existence of a preference for value sooner rather than
later is a basic economic assumption which is rooted in cold empirical
fact. From this mindset, the question is not whether to use a discount
rate, rather what discount rate to use. Some, like Jerry Taylor, use
the discounting practices of the current marketplace. Others, like
economists Richard Newell and William Pizer, &lt;a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&amp;amp;_udi=B6V2W-4985V6J-5&amp;amp;_user=10&amp;amp;_coverDate=03%2F31%2F2004&amp;amp;_rdoc=8&amp;amp;_fmt=summary&amp;amp;_orig=browse&amp;amp;_srch=doc-info%28%23toc%235713%232004%23999679995%23456003%23FLA%23display%23Volume%29&amp;amp;_cdi=5713&amp;amp;_sort=d&amp;amp;_docanchor=&amp;amp;_ct=11&amp;amp;_acct=C000050221&amp;amp;_version=1&amp;amp;_urlVersion=0&amp;amp;_userid=10&amp;amp;md5=b8579c49df33bc7de6f835623b6e9d11"&gt;try to predict&lt;/a&gt;
how market discounting practices will vary over the discounting period,
suggesting a plausible range of 2-7%. But to debate the validity of
using discounting practices at all would be like asking a banker
whether she thought she should charge interest on a loan, or asking an
investor whether he cared about getting a return on his money.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So
if we accept the view sketched above, it&amp;#39;s clear that discounting is
not only acceptable, but almost obvious. But what should we think of
this view? I want to offer a few objections. First, cost-benefit
analysis doesn&amp;#39;t properly account for the individuality of its
subjects, and does not take into consideration the idea that
individuals should not be sacrificed for the sake of others. Second,
cost-benefit analysis supposes that all harms can be quantified
according to a single metric, which doesn&amp;#39;t seem right. Third, even if
we ignore the first two problems, it seems like discounting is
problematic when you consider the goals of cost-benefit analysis. Let
me flesh these out a little.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first objection is basically taken from &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Anarchy, State, and Utopia&lt;/span&gt;, where Nozick writes, &amp;quot;...there is no &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;social entity &lt;/span&gt;with
a good that undergoes a sacrifice for its own good. There are only
individual people, with their own individual lives. Using one for the
the benefit of others, uses him and benefits the others. Nothing more.
What happens is something is done to him for the sake of others. Talk
of an overall social good covers this up...To use a person in this way
does not sufficiently respect and take account of the fact that he is a
separate person, that his is the only life he has. &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;He&lt;/span&gt;
does not get some overbalancing good for his sacrifice, and no one is
entitled to force this upon him...&amp;quot; I think Nozick is absolutely right
here; we can&amp;#39;t weigh future people&amp;#39;s interests and current people&amp;#39;s
interests as if they were all held by the same person. Some notion of
proper respect for each group as ends in themselves seems necessary,
and the paradigm discussed here clearly lacks that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second objection, that a single metric is a suspicious way to evaluate wellbeing, is taken from an essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/whp/ev/2006/00000015/00000003/art00011"&gt;Values in the Economics of Climate Change&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;quot;
where Michael Toman wrote, &amp;quot;One other critique of climate change
economics as a guide to policy involves the use of a single-dimension
new benefit measure for evaluating different outcomes. This reflects
the standard assumption in economics that all costs and benefits are
commensurable and interchangeable once expressed in a common metric (a
monetary metric as a representation of unobservable utility). There may
be serious measurement problems in implementing such a reductionist
metric, but as a concept the notion of full tradeoffs and thus full &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;potential&lt;/span&gt;
compensability of losses from climate change is ubiquitous in the
economic model. This view differs from alternatives that see different
kinds of values as less commensurable, e.g., some losses of natural
beauty or function simply cannot be compensated by other welfare
gains.&amp;quot; Personally, I tend to think that these latter kinds of views
are probably closer to being right. For example, if the Hindus of India
are forced to abandon the Ganges as a result of climate change, what
kind of compensation could we reasonably expect them to be satisfied
with?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But even if we ignored the fact that the cost-benefit
model is ethically suspect, and that comparing every harm according to
the same metric is methodologically suspect (never mind the fact that
we could probably never conduct the kind of calculation necessary),
there would still be another problem. The third objection arises from
the fact that calculations of &amp;quot;costs and benefits&amp;quot; are supposed to
reflect utility, and therefore social preferences. The problem is that,
as we discussed earlier, the cost-benefit model is perfectly
comfortable with the idea of discounting. In his essay, &amp;quot;Environmental
Risk, Uncertainty and Intergenerational Ethics,&amp;quot; Kristian Skagen Ekeli
pointed out that &amp;quot;To discount the future implies that current interests
and preferences count for more than those of future generations.&amp;quot; When
we say that future damage should be discounted, what we&amp;#39;re basically
saying is that &amp;quot;society,&amp;quot; which is supposedly neutral between its
individual members, prefers current people to be happy over future
people, simply because they live earlier. How this makes sense is
beyond me. It seems that if we were trying to allocate resources to
impartially reflect their most efficient uses, we would need to weigh
people&amp;#39;s interests as being equally significant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So hopefully
those objections demonstrate two things. The first is that cost-benefit
analysis is a really crappy way to deal with the issue of climate
change. But if we use it anyway (which I suspect people will do,
because that&amp;#39;s how economics is done nowadays), then we shouldn&amp;#39;t
discount future damage. To do so would treat future people as if they
mattered less than present people, and that seems obviously
unacceptable. I am, of course, conspicuously ignoring the &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/search/label/The%20Non-Identity%20Problem"&gt;Non-Identity Problem&lt;/a&gt; completely, and I want to deal with that issue, but I guess I&amp;#39;ll leave that for later. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=19064" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Equality/default.aspx">Equality</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Discounting/default.aspx">Discounting</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item></channel></rss>