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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Back to the Drawing Board : Intrinsic Value, Justice</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Intrinsic+Value/Justice/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Intrinsic Value, Justice</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Protecting Others' Rights</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/19/protecting-others-rights.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:53:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:47505</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=47505</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/19/protecting-others-rights.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;So here&amp;#39;s the basic idea: It seems like there&amp;#39;s a difference between
coming to someone&amp;#39;s aid when they&amp;#39;re asking you to, and coming to
someone&amp;#39;s aid when you determine on your own that they&amp;#39;re being treated
wrongly. This difference, I think, is extremely important, and might
open the door to an understanding of the libertarian position which
would allow for a reconciliation with a lot of historically
un-libertarian views. Here&amp;#39;s what&amp;#39;s up:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I take it that the backbone of any brand of libertarianism is&lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/04/rights-and-entitlements.html"&gt; a right to&lt;/a&gt;
self-determination, such that individuals are entitled to
non-interference in the absence of morally significant justification
for doing so. But it&amp;#39;s immediately clear that this exposition of the
fundamental libertarian principle leaves its two core components
somewhat indeterminate: it&amp;#39;s unclear what constitutes a &amp;quot;morally
significant&amp;quot; justification for interfering, and also what is meant by
the &amp;quot;entitlement&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To illustrate how the distinction is supposed
to work, without solving the problem posed by this indeterminacy: I
think that most libertarians would want to recognize something like a
&amp;quot;right to self-defense,&amp;quot; which seems like it would be derivative from
the right to self-determination. That is, it&amp;#39;s because I have the right
to self-determination that I have some right to self-defense. I am
entitled to self-determination, so if others act to infringe upon that
right, I am entitled to use some degree of force to stop them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But
notice that my doing this infringes upon the aggressor&amp;#39;s right to
self-determination. My use of force upon this individual would normally
be unacceptable; they &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;do&lt;/span&gt; have the right to self-determination.  In this instance, however, they are in the process of infringing &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;my&lt;/span&gt; right to self-determination.  I take it, then, that this constitutes a morally significant justification for infringing &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;their&lt;/span&gt; right.  So it is acceptable for me to do so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now,
here&amp;#39;s why I like to think about it in this way: If someone wanted to
object to my use of force -- to my infringement of the aggressor&amp;#39;s
right to self-determination in self-defense -- they would want to say
something like &amp;quot;You used too much force&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Two wrongs don&amp;#39;t make a
right.&amp;quot; The former objection, I think, can be very informatively
understood as contending that the degree to which I infringed the
aggressor&amp;#39;s rights was not justified by the circumstances under which I
did so. And the latter can be understood as contending that &amp;quot;The fact
that the aggressor was infringing your right to self-determination does
not constitute a morally significant reason for using force in the way
that you did.&amp;quot; So the point is, even though I might disagree, the
objections would still be stated in terms of the overarching framework
for understanding rights, and we would be able to isolate the actual
source of the disagreement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okay, so hopefully that makes sense.
On, then, to the core of the discussion. Many libertarians accept the
idea that if it would be permissible for me to use force against you in
response to your infringing upon my rights, then it would be
permissible for me to ask someone else to use that same force against
you on my behalf, and for them to infringe upon your rights. It is on
this basis, they argue, that we can justify things like security guards
or coming to the rescue of someone who&amp;#39;s being robbed, attacked, or
raped.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I see no compelling reason to object to this doctrine,
except the possibility that the person being defended might potentially
not be justified in defending herself in certain situations, and a
third party might not be able to know whether this were the case, and
so would face a degree of uncertainty in intervening. But imagine that
a businessman hires a delivery person to pick up a package from the
garage at someone&amp;#39;s home. The delivery person arrives at the house,
which is empty, and sees the package sitting in the garage. She picks
up the package and takes it to the businessman. Now imagine that it
turns out that the package did not actually belong to the businessman,
and what the delivery person has done is to steal the package on behalf
of the businessman. It seems to me that the delivery person is
completely innocent here, and that any accusation of wrongdoing should
be aimed at the businessman. So too, then, it seems like the person who
intervenes on behalf of a victim who is asking for help is guilty of no
wrongdoing, even if victim were not actually in possession of the right
to defend himself. The principle, then, would be that the person who
transfers the justification which does not belong to him is the one who
acts wrongly, and not the person who acts on the justification which
they believe they have.&lt;br /&gt;So, then, we can dismiss the one objection I
can think of to the idea that others should be able to act as our
agents in infringing the rights of others in order to protect
ourselves. Shifting to the perspective of the third party, we can say
that individuals are justified in intervening to protect entitlements
at the request of an apparent victim, even though we must inherently
face some uncertainty about whether or not the alleged victim actually
has the entitlement we believe them to have (of course, standards of
negligence would have to apply here).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I have discussed &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/05/enforcing-attitude-of-respect-for.html"&gt;in a past essay&lt;/a&gt;, Paul Taylor discusses two ways to conceive of rights and entitlements:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;According to Taylor&amp;rsquo;s first account, there are several necessary components of rights...First, Taylor
argues that to have a right, it must be possible for us to conceive of
the rights-holder asserting the moral legitimacy of the claim
represented by a right.&lt;span&gt;..&lt;/span&gt;Second, he claims that
we must be able to conceive of the holder of a right being able to
think of herself as being inherently worthy of that right.&lt;span&gt;..&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Third, Taylor
contends that we must be able to conceive of a rights-holder as being
able to choose whether or not to exercise his right...Finally, Taylor
explains that having a right involves an entitlement to &amp;ldquo;&amp;hellip;register
complaints, demand redress, or call for legal enforcement of their
rights&amp;hellip;&amp;rdquo; whenever they are violated.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Where
the first view understood duties possessed by others as the corollary
of rights recognized and asserted by the rights-holder, Taylor&amp;rsquo;s
alternative conception of rights holds them to amount to recognitions
of duties towards others which result from taking proper account of
their inherent worth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;To be
clear, Taylor was talking about whether or not plants and non-human
animals could have rights. But it seems clear to me that the sort of
example we&amp;#39;ve been working with so far, where a victim asks a third
party for help, conforms very much with the first way of understanding
rights. The victim perceives a rights violation, registers a complaint,
and demands intervention to rectify the violation of his entitlement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However,
it should be readily apparent that there are situations in which
individuals perceive a justification in intervening in situations which
do not fit this form. For a first example, if you saw someone being
beaten, and they were unconscious, it seems reasonable to think that
you would be justified in intervening. For a second example, if you saw
a child being groped in a sexual manner by a much older individual, it
seems like most people would think that intervention would be
acceptable. For a third example, if you saw a severely insane
individual being beaten or sexually groped by a member of his
institution&amp;#39;s staff, many people would feel that intervention would be
legitimate. The account of why you would be justified in intervening in
each of these situations is of critical importance for understanding
how intervention should work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are two kinds of
explanations that come immediately to mind here. The first explanation,
which is still in line with Taylor&amp;#39;s first account of rights, is that
the alleged victim, in the absence of &amp;quot;transactions costs,&amp;quot; would ask
you to intervene on their behalf, and that in situations where you can
be almost certain that this is the case, you can legitimately go ahead
and intervene even without being asked. But the second explanation,
which falls more in line with Taylor&amp;#39;s second account of rights, is
that the person whose actions the intervention is meant to interfere
with is acting improperly or unjustly, and can legitimately be stopped.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It
seems to me that the aforementioned examples grow increasingly
difficult to interpret through the lens of the first explanation, the
the point where the third example is almost impossible to think about
in that way (as is discussed in the &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/05/enforcing-attitude-of-respect-for.html"&gt;previously mentioned essay&lt;/a&gt;).
The first example, where the alleged victim is being beaten while
unconscious, seems like a simple enough case where transaction costs
are relatively uncontroversially preventing the victim from asking for
help, and if the victim were physically able to, it&amp;#39;s pretty reasonable
to assume that he would ask for help. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the second example,
where the child was being sexually abused, this might be less clear; a
child might not understand that she is being sexually abused by an
adult, and may not understand until much later why she should have
registered a complaint and requested protection. But still, one might
argue that if the child were made to understand the true nature of the
situation at hand (which may or may not actually be possible), she
would almost certainly ask for help, and so it would be justifiable to
intervene. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the third example, however, we run into serious problems.  As I wrote in the previously mentioned essay:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Some
insane and severely mentally handicapped individuals are certainly
unable to conceive of &amp;ldquo;legitimacy,&amp;rdquo; to see themselves as being
inherently worthy of respect, to choose whether to exercise or waive a
right, to complain about violations of their rights, to demand
restitution, and to call for the enforcement of their rights.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Accordingly, Taylor&amp;rsquo;s first view would deny that we can possibly conceive of these individuals as having rights.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But nevertheless it seems clear that we would often think ourselves justified in using coercion to protect these individuals.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And it does seem that the kind of situation in which we would feel justified in doing this lines up quite well with Taylor&amp;rsquo;s second conception of rights.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That
is, we coercively intervene to protect the insane and the severely
mentally handicapped when we feel that they are being treated by others
in a manner which fails to take proper account of their inherent worth.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If we feel that this practice is based on a manner in which those individuals are &lt;i&gt;entitled&lt;/i&gt; to be treated, then it seems to follow that we recognize them as having rights, in spite of all of the objections that Taylor&amp;rsquo;s first account has to offer, and that these rights are of the kind suggested by Taylor&amp;rsquo;s second account.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I am right about this, then it seems like what we are suggesting is that in some instances where an alleged victim &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;would not&lt;/span&gt;
ask us to intervene on their behalf, we would nevertheless be justified
in intervening. We cannot think of this sort of thing as a voluntary
transfer of justification for using force from a victim to a third
party intervenor, or even a potential voluntary transfer: I take it to
be uncontroversial that where we cannot conceive of some &amp;quot;victim&amp;quot;
transferring some right, we cannot base a view on the potential
transfer of that right by the victim. It seems, then, that we are
basing our justification on the second kind of explanation: we
intervene because what the &amp;quot;aggressor&amp;quot; is doing is wrong, and it would
not be unacceptable to put a stop to it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we accept this,
however, then we arrive at the conclusion that we are justifying the
use of force not only to enforce that to which individuals are
entitled, but also to enforce others&amp;#39; duty to respect things with
inherent worth. And if this is the case, then an entirely new range of
potentially legitimate uses for force seems to open up which would be
prohibited by a simple Non-Aggression Principle (unless one takes the
rather implausible view that the only things that have inherent worth
are individuals&amp;#39; rights). For example, it would open libertarian
philosophy up to the idea that environmental ethical or utilitarian
concerns might play a role in justifying the use of force. But I&amp;#39;ll
have to address that another time. For now, I think I need some time to
digest all of this.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=47505" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Intrinsic+Value/default.aspx">Intrinsic Value</category></item><item><title>Does Intrinsic Value in Nonconscious Objects Create Problems for Property Rights?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/02/does-intrinsic-value-in-nonconscious-objects-create-problems-for-property-rights.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:51:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:20674</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>810</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=20674</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/02/does-intrinsic-value-in-nonconscious-objects-create-problems-for-property-rights.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/02/can-we-have-duties-to-nonconscious.html"&gt;I wrote&lt;/a&gt;
earlier about the idea of nonconscious objects having intrinsic value,
and I was wondering about the implications of what I said for our
normal conceptions regarding property rights. Basically, I argued that
some objects, like the Grand Canyon or Niagara Falls, have the inherent
capacity to inspire significant reactions in people. Accordingly, it
seems fair to say that they have some kind of intrinsic value, and that
therefore it is somehow wrong to destroy them wastefully; that is, it
doesn&amp;#39;t take proper account of this value to &amp;quot;destroy&amp;quot; them without
good reason for doing so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It occurred to me, though, that this
account might seem to be at odds with our normal ideas about property
rights. I figured it might be worth writing briefly about whether this
is the case. I&amp;#39;ll bring up two issues here, discussing neither in much
depth (it&amp;#39;s Friday, dammit). The first is whether the existence of
intrinsic value in nonconscious entities could imply that we don&amp;#39;t
fully own our property. The second is whether intrinsic value creates
problems for our ideas about just appropriation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So why would
intrinsic value have any bearing on whether or not we fully own our
property? Well, the issue arises from the claim that it&amp;#39;s wrong to
destroy something with intrinsic value in the absence of a good reason
for doing so. Does this mean that we could be entitled to stop someone
from destroying something on her own property &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;if she owned it&lt;/span&gt;?  If so, this would clearly have significant implications for the way we think about our relationship with our property.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I
think that we would have to start by pointing out that if someone were
going to wastefully destroy an object with significant intrinsic value,
she could probably sell it to someone else, or a group of people, who
would clearly value it more than her. In his essay, &amp;quot;Liberty, Markets,
and Environmental Values: A Hayekian Defense of Free-Market
Environmentalism,&amp;quot; Mark Pennington wrote, &amp;quot;...a case surely can be made
that it is precisely for the ends that people value most highly that
they should be required to make a personal sacrifice, including perhaps
a material sacrifice.&amp;quot; I think this makes some sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And if the
object&amp;#39;s owners were prepared to forgo such payment in order to see the
object destroyed, then it seems clear that we would want to say that
she had a reasonably strong interest in destroying the object, and that
this could very well constitute the kind of &amp;quot;good reason&amp;quot; which would
make legitimate the destruction of an intrinsically valuable object.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But
what if transactions costs prevented the person from selling the
object? Perhaps the object was extremely valuable, but it would simply
be unfeasible to coordinate a trade? Would the owner be doing something
wrong to destroy it? It seems that in this case, we would need to come
up with a relatively good reason for overriding the property rights of
the owner; if she rightfully owned the object, then we would generally
want to say that the ownership rights included the right to destroy the
object. This seems most obvious if we say that the owner &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;created&lt;/span&gt;
the intrinsic value in an object. Given that the value was &amp;quot;put into&amp;quot;
the object by the owner, it seems that she would have every right to
destroy that value.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, I think that this intuition becomes
slightly less clear if we suppose that the intrinsic value was a
natural feature of the object. I don&amp;#39;t think that this unclarity
reflects that we don&amp;#39;t believe that property rights should be
respected. Rather, I think it is a consequence of an inadequate
understanding the second issue that I wanted to touch on, which asks
what kinds of things we can justly appropriate, and what that
appropriation entails.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you somehow come to own the Grand
Canyon, and then you decide that you want to destroy it (for no good
reason), I think that other people would be right to object. But this
is not because you shouldn&amp;#39;t have a right to do what you want with your
property. I think it&amp;#39;s more because people would object to the idea of
you could justly be said to own something like the Grand Canyon. It
just seems like something that a person couldn&amp;#39;t fairly appropriate for
themselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I think that on some level, that sounds right.  Objects with significant natural intrinsic value &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;do&lt;/span&gt;
seem to belong to all of us; it simply wouldn&amp;#39;t be right for someone to
declare himself the exclusive owner, with the right to destroy the
object if he chose. But if we take to its logical end, then we not only
restrict the appropriation of the Grand Canyon and Niagara Falls, but
also the appropriation of a beautiful forest or scenic beach front.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I
think that there is some intuitive strength to the idea that
individuals should not be able to simply take such natural wonders for
themselves, excluding others from accessing them. This idea seems
grounded in the notion of Pareto improvement. In &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Anarchy, State, and Utopia&lt;/span&gt;,
Nozick writes, &amp;quot;It will be implausible to view improving an object as
giving full ownership to it, oif the stock of unowned objects that
might be improved is limited. For an object&amp;#39;s coming under one person&amp;#39;s
ownership changes the situation of all others. Whereas previously they
were at liberty...to use the object, they now no longer are.&amp;quot; While
this is a problem for all acts of appropriation, it seems especially
significant when we are able to say that without any human improvement,
an object naturally has the capacity to inspire strong positive
reactions in people. Why should one person be allowed to appropriate
all the benefits from these natural objects for themselves?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it&amp;#39;s not as if privatization &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;can&amp;#39;t&lt;/span&gt;
be Pareto improving. I don&amp;#39;t want to say more about this just now,
because I haven&amp;#39;t thought it out enough. But I want to appeal to the
idea that human stewardship can augment the intrinsic value in natural
objects, and make them more accessible and beneficial to the people who
would have enjoyed them in their natural state. For example, creating
hiking trails and camping areas on a beautiful mountain can enable more
people to enjoy their beauty. However, I want to take into account some
important objections raised by G. A. Cohen which I&amp;#39;ll get into some
other time. For now, I&amp;#39;m just going to leave this as an unfinished
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