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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Back to the Drawing Board : Economics</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Economics</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Away From Distributive Justice, Towards Collective Responsibility</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/30/away-from-distributive-justice-towards-collective-responsibility.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:52:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:49490</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=49490</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/30/away-from-distributive-justice-towards-collective-responsibility.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;
Here&amp;#39;s another cool Hayek quote, from chapter 5 of his &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;New Studies in Philosophy, Politics, Economics and the History of Ideas&lt;/span&gt;, entitled &amp;quot;The Atavism of Social Justice&amp;quot;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;...there
can be no distributive justice where no one distributes. Justice has
meaning only as a rule of human conduct, and no conceivable rules for
the conduct of individuals supplying each other with goods and services
in a market economy would produce a distribution which could be
meaningfully described as just or unjust. Individuals might conduct
themselves as justly as possible, but as the results for separate
individuals would be neither intended nor foreseeable by others, the
resulting state of affairs could neither be called just nor unjust&amp;quot;
(58).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;ve been arguing basically that point of view
for a while, and this is far from the first time I&amp;#39;ve heard it
articulated by someone else, but I really like the way Hayek put it
here. But it also got me thinking. Hayek does use as support for his
argument the fact that the results of the market process are not
foreseeable. And it does seem to me that a great many people see
certain regrettable outcomes of the market process as quite foreseeable
enough to dodge this argument. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;quot;Perhaps the precise outcomes
of the process are not foreseeable,&amp;quot; someone might argue, &amp;quot;but we can
easily foresee that certain things will likely occur, like the
occasional occurrence of instances of extreme need. Even if, as a
society, we think ourselves justified in &amp;#39;playing the game&amp;#39; of
catallaxy (as Hayek puts it on page 60 and later throughout the essay),
we nevertheless might be able to point to certain predictable and
regrettable outcomes of that game and demand that they be &amp;#39;cleaned up.&amp;#39;
It&amp;#39;s on those grounds that I claim that we have some sort of obligation
to ensure that no one is left behind &amp;#39;by&amp;#39; our playing the game of
catallaxy. I cannot articulate, necessarily, exactly what that
obligation entails, or what is its nature, but to deny the existence of
any such obligation seems simply wrong.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that would be a
pretty fair line of attack, and I think it deserves an answer. I&amp;#39;m not
sure what I&amp;#39;ll find, but the question seems to become one which is
perfectly tractable within my notion of rights and duties. So I pose
for myself the following questions: Do we have a duty to help those in
desperate need, either collective or individual? How might we
understand such a duty, and what would it entail?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;ll be working on an answer to those questions over the coming months.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=49490" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Equality/default.aspx">Equality</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Collective+Duties/default.aspx">Collective Duties</category></item><item><title>Law and the Knowledge Problem, a First Glance</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/28/law-and-the-knowledge-problem-a-first-glance.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:05:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:49297</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=49297</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/28/law-and-the-knowledge-problem-a-first-glance.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update at the bottom of the post&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here&amp;#39;s an interesting quote from Hayek&amp;#39;s essay, &amp;quot;The Results of Human Action but not of Human Design,&amp;quot; from his book, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Studies in Philosophy, Politics and Economics&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;...the
natural law concept against which modern jurisprudence reacted was the
perverted rationalist conception which interpreted the law of nature as
the deductive constructions of &amp;#39;natural reason&amp;#39; rather than as the
undesigned outcome of a process of growth in which the test of what is
justice was not anybody&amp;#39;s arbitrary will but compatibility with a whole
system of inherited but partly inarticulated rules&amp;quot; (101).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This
does seem like a relatively accurate positive assessment of how law has
evolved over time. But it does beg the question, then, of whether or
not a centralized attempt to administer justice, which would rely on
some understanding of what people will accept as just, would be akin to
trying to plan an economy. The idea, in other words, is that if our
recognition of justice relies on a partly inarticulated set of
internalized rules, and those rules change over time and are sometimes
contradictory, then the acceptability of any legal judgment will be in
some some sense bound to the circumstances in which that attribution
was made, and will &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;necessarily&lt;/span&gt;
fail to reflect the unanimous will of the people. If that&amp;#39;s true, then
it would seem almost impossible to determine what would be the proper
standard of justice within a society at any given time, and so would be
impossible to administer justice &amp;quot;properly&amp;quot; in much the same way as
it&amp;#39;s impossible to allocate resources &amp;quot;properly&amp;quot; through a centralized
method of planning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To make my case, I&amp;#39;ll draw on a number of
different quotes which I think paint a better picture of the issue than
I might be able to do myself (especially given the &amp;quot;reason as I go&amp;quot;
approach that generally characterizes these posts). First, from the
beginning of David Schmidtz&amp;#39;s book, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Elements of Justice&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;I
have become a pluralist, but there are many pluralisms. I focus not on
concentric &amp;quot;spheres&amp;quot; of local, national, and international justice nor
on how different cultures foster different intuitions, but on the
variety of contexts we experience every day, calling in turn for
principles of desert, reciprocity, equality, and need. I try to some
extent to knit these four elements together, showing how they make room
for each other and define each other&amp;#39;s limits, but not at the cost of
twisting them to make them appear to fit together better than they
really do. Would a more elegant theory reduce the multiplicity of
elements to one?&amp;quot; (4).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I jump over to the beginning of Rawls&amp;#39; &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Justice as Fairness: A Restatement&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;...I
believe that a democratic society is not and cannot be a community,
where by a community I mean a body of persons united in affirming the
same comprehensive, or partly comprehensive doctrine. The fact of
reasonable pluralism which characterizes a society with free
institutions makes this impossible. This is the fact of profound and
irreconcilable differences in citizens&amp;#39; reasonable comprehensive
religious and philosophical conceptions of the world, and in their
views of the moral and aesthetic values to be sought in human life&amp;quot; (3).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And with that, I jump back to Schmidtz, a few pages later:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;In
effect, there are two ways to agree: We agree on what is correct, or on
who has jurisdiction - who gets to decide. Freedom of religion took the
latter form; we learned to be liberals in matters of religion, reaching
consensus not on what to believe but on who gets to decide. So too with
freedom of speech. Isn&amp;#39;t it odd that our greatest successes in learning
how to live together stem from agreeing on what is correct but from
agreeing to let people decide for themselves?&amp;quot; (6).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And back to Hayek, this time in his essay, &amp;quot;The Use of Knowledge in Society&amp;quot;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;The
peculiar character of the problem of a rational economic order is
determined precisely by the fact that the knowledge of the
circumstances of which we must make use never exists in concentrated or
integrated form, but solely as the dispersed bits of incomplete and
frequently contradictory knowledge which all the separate individuals
possess&amp;quot; (519).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He continues:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;In
ordinary language we describe by the word &amp;quot;planning the complex of
interrelated decisions about the allocation of our available resources.
All economic activity is in this sense planning; and in any society in
which many people collaborate, this planning, whoever does it, will in
some measure have to be based on knowledge which, in the first
instance, is not given to the planner but to somebody else, which
somehow will have to be conveyed to the planner. The various ways in
which the knowledge on which people base their plans is communicated to
them is the crucial problem for any theory explaining the economic
process. And the problem of what is the best way of utilizing knowledge
initially dispersed among all the people is at least one of the main
problems of economic policy--or of designing an efficient economic
system&amp;quot; (520).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And more:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;Today it is
almost heresy to suggest that scientific knowledge is not the sum of
all knowledge. But a little reflection will show that there is beyond
question a body of very important but unorganized knowledge which
cannot possibly be called scientific in the sense of knowledge of
general rules: the knowledge of particular circumstances of time and
place&amp;quot; (521).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just like how attributions of justice are
contingent on a set of partly inarticulated rules, economic actors make
their decisions according to their personal interpretations of
circumstances, in light of their own value systems. And as they are
inarticulated and often contradictory, they cannot be aggregated to
form a &amp;quot;social&amp;quot; standard. Hayek writes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;...the sort of
knowledge with which I have been concerned is knowledge of the kind
which by its nature cannot enter into statistics and therefore cannot
be conveyed to any central authority in statistical form&amp;quot; (524).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So
we&amp;#39;ve sort of gotten to the point I&amp;#39;m trying to make. Basically, if
society&amp;#39;s acceptance of certain things as just is, as Hayek says, based
on compatibility with an internalized, partly inarticulated set of
rules, and if these sets of rules are subject to reasonable pluralism
and continuous flux, then it&amp;#39;s as impossible to get law perfectly right
through central planning as it is to get an economy perfectly right
through central planning. But then the question becomes, so what? In
looking at the economy, Hayek writes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;We cannot expect
that this problem will be solved by first communicating all this
knowledge to a central board which, after integrating &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;all&lt;/span&gt; knowledge, issues its orders.  We must solve it by some form of decentralization&amp;quot; (524).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But is this the right answer for law?  That&amp;#39;s something I&amp;#39;ll have to leave for another day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Update:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hahahahahahahaha!&amp;nbsp; So this post was written in a sort of &amp;quot;Ah hah!&amp;quot;
moment while reading Hayek&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;The Results of Human Action but not of
Human Design,&amp;quot; causing me to jump up from the book and hammer out the
above.&amp;nbsp; Turns out that if I had kept reading, I would have discovered
Hayek making a nearly identical point in the essay itself.&amp;nbsp; So I&amp;#39;d
almost say to forget about this post and go pick up the book.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=49297" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>On Subjective Valuation and Intrinsic Value</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/10/on-subjective-valuation-and-intrinsic-value.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:00:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:45805</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>3</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=45805</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/10/on-subjective-valuation-and-intrinsic-value.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;
Some more on this never-ending debate...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In ascribing value to
certain things, we acknowledge that they matter to us -- they have
weight in our calculations about what we should do. But it seems to me
that there are two (not mutually exclusive) ways in which we do this.
The first is the way that we mean when we talk about matters of
&amp;quot;taste.&amp;quot; When we evaluate things in this way, the account of why we
value them is autobiographical. For example, I like coffee because it
tastes good to me; it makes me feel cheerful and alert; it helps me
focus on tasks that I want to perform.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In order to dispute my evaluation, someone would need to similarly couch their objections in features &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;about me&lt;/span&gt;.
For example, I might announce that I want to eat a cheeseburger,
because I like the way they taste. In order to argue with my choice,
someone would need to alert me to some feature about &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;my&lt;/span&gt;
tastes that they believed I was failing to acknowledge. For example,
they might point out that the last time I ate a cheeseburger, I felt
sick, and told everyone how I never wanted to eat a cheeseburger again
(this is, of course, a fictional story; cheeseburgers are delicious).
The point is that with regard to discussing matters involving my own
tastes, the entire focus is on me, the valuer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other way that people often ascribe value to things is to claim (or implicitly claim) that they are the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;appropriate&lt;/span&gt; objects of valuation, and to ascribe to them the value -- the weight in our moral calculations -- that we believe is &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;fitting&lt;/span&gt; of their nature or properties.  Not only are these things &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;valued&lt;/span&gt;, but they are seen as &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;valuable&lt;/span&gt;:
to &amp;quot;fail&amp;quot; to value these things would be, in some sense, inappropriate,
unbecoming, or wrong. The reason given here for an evaluation is no
longer autobiographical, but cites some quality inherent in the valued &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;object&lt;/span&gt; as if it were the explanation for the evaluation.  For example, a parent feeds his child &amp;quot;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;because&lt;/span&gt;&amp;quot; she is hungry, and her health and wellbeing depends on being fed.  The implication here is that the parent thinks that to &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;fail&lt;/span&gt; to feed the child would demonstrate &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;insufficient&lt;/span&gt; consideration of the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;fact&lt;/span&gt; of the child&amp;#39;s hunger.  Clearly, this sort of valuation is inherently &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;normative&lt;/span&gt;: it is understood as involving an acknowledgment of how we &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;ought&lt;/span&gt; to act.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I talk about actions that are &amp;quot;self-interested,&amp;quot; I refer to those actions where the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;account&lt;/span&gt;
of why the action was undertaken makes reference to the first kind of
valuation (the one which identifies the tastes, wants, and desires of
the valuer as the explanation for the valuation). When I call an action
&amp;quot;non-self-interested,&amp;quot; I refer to actions taken for reasons understood
in terms of the second sort of valuation (where objective features of a
set of circumstances are cited to explain the valuation). As I
suggested before, these sorts of valuations need not be mutually
exclusive. But there is a sense in which they are taken as being
separate from each other. For example, we might find someone saying
&amp;quot;He&amp;#39;s a really nice guy, and he&amp;#39;s never done anything bad to me, but I
just don&amp;#39;t like hanging out with him.&amp;quot; The implication here is that
niceness and blamelessness are being seen as somehow &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;worthy &lt;/span&gt;or &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;demanding&lt;/span&gt;
of consideration and positive valuation, but that the negative
valuation conveyed by the person&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;tastes&amp;quot; is acting as a
counterweight. Now, if the person who made the above statement decided
to hang out with the guy who she discussed, we might imagine her
saying, &amp;quot;He was just so nice; when he asked, I had to say yes.&amp;quot; Her
action here would be non-self-interested. If, on the other hand, she
decided not to hang out with the guy, we might imagine her saying, &amp;quot;As
nice as he was, I just couldn&amp;#39;t bring myself to put myself through
spending another minute with him.&amp;quot; Here, her action would be
self-interested.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I talk about something having &amp;quot;intrinsic
value,&amp;quot; I&amp;#39;m making reference to qualities or objects identified by the
normative kind of valuation as providing justification for a choice.
Most ethical theories (those with a &amp;quot;realist&amp;quot; component) rely on this
sort of valuation to provide a basis for their claims: ethics involves
the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;acknowledgment&lt;/span&gt; or &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;recognition&lt;/span&gt; of the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;appropriate responses&lt;/span&gt; to certain &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;features&lt;/span&gt; of things or situations.  (I should mention, in passing, that one need not claim that there actually &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;are&lt;/span&gt; appropriate responses or anything like that; see, for example, quasi-realism.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&amp;#39;s
important to distinguish here between intrinsic value and what might be
called &amp;quot;objective value&amp;quot; or the &amp;quot;objective component&amp;quot; of value. When we
talk about objective values, we mean that a thing can be valuable
independently of anyone valuing it. This does not seem possible to me,
as value seems to be, by nature, a relationship between an evaluating
mind and some object (I don&amp;#39;t mean physical object, just a &amp;quot;something&amp;quot;
which is being valued). If I&amp;#39;m correct about this, there could be no
such thing as objective value. But the concept of an objective
component of value is different. This idea relies on the possibility
that certain features of objects (especially where objects can be taken
to also refer to concepts in our minds) cause a reaction in us which
leads us to value those objects. For example, a guy might meet a
beautiful, intelligent, and entertaining woman at a bar, and come to
want certain things not because he &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;chose&lt;/span&gt;
to want them, or something more mysterious, but rather because it was
natural for him to want those things upon acknowledging certain
features of the woman. Her objective features caused a &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;reaction&lt;/span&gt;
in the man, whose value judgments would thereby be affected (though, of
course, the valuation still only exists in the man&amp;#39;s mind; it is still
subjective).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It might be immediately clear that a parallel
exists between the concept of an objective component of value and the
concept of intrinsic value, as I alluded to in identifying the realist
component of many ethical theories. But the two concepts are not
necessarily identical. The man in the bar might desire a particular
beer, for example, because he wants a drink and because it strikes him
as satisfying the criteria of being a drink. But it would be slightly
odd for him to attribute any intrinsic value to the idea of him having
a drink: He would need to say, &amp;quot;I want that beer, and therefore it
would be immoral of me to not go get it.&amp;quot; Certainly there are people
who would be comfortable saying this (anyone who would call themselves
an &amp;quot;egoist&amp;quot; or a &amp;quot;hedonist&amp;quot; would immediately come to mind). But I take
it that most people don&amp;#39;t think that way. There is a difference between
what we want (what is a matter of our tastes) and what we ought to want
(what is a result of our attributions of intrinsic value). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There&amp;#39;s clearly a lot more to say on this, but I figure this will do for now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=45805" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Intrinsic+Value/default.aspx">Intrinsic Value</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>The Pitch (a First Draft...)</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/07/31/the-pitch-a-first-draft.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:08:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:44629</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=44629</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/07/31/the-pitch-a-first-draft.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;On a fundamental level, political philosophy exists to pursue a better understanding of how society ought to be organized.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So
it is rather unsurprising that students of the subject tend to view
themselves as proponents of a certain kind of social order: socialists,
social democrats, minarchists, anarcho-capitalists, etc.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And
to some degree, within communities of political philosophers and those
who seek to emulate them, it makes sense to adopt these comprehensive
positions and to debate their merits with those who advocate opposing
views.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;But in a world where most people do
not think in terms of any coherent and complete political paradigm,
this kind of approach to advancing one&amp;rsquo;s ideas makes less sense.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is, in a sense, like trying to get a person to buy into a particular diet as the objectively correct diet for human beings.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Even if there were such a thing, most individuals would not even know how to begin to evaluate the idea being presented to them.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They would immediately search for flaws, and cling to any lack of clarity or certainty as reason to reject the diet completely.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And tellingly, we might expect this from someone whose existing diet is in all likelihood a really bad diet &lt;i&gt;by any reasonable standard&lt;/i&gt;!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In advancing the cause of liberty, we have all experienced exactly this sort of thing.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;People don&amp;rsquo;t understand certain features of our standpoint, and accordingly reject the whole thing.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I submit that this is not because of some flaw in our argument, or a persistent indoctrinated stubbornness on their part.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Rather, it is simply a normal part of dealing with people who are not, and do not want to be, political philosophers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Up
to this point, I think that libertarians have largely focused on the
idea that central governments should not be involved in various parts
of our lives.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The justification for these positions generally takes two forms, often advanced simultaneously in the same argument.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;First,
there is a moral position that argues that there is something unjust
about using the State mechanism to bring about a desired solution, and
that people must realize this fact and respond accordingly.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The
second is a pragmatic position which points out that central
governments are inherently ill-suited for dealing with the kinds of
tasks with which they are entrusted, and accordingly, we should be not
rely on them in the capacity under consideration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;It
occurs to me that by making these two positions part of the same
argument, libertarians have created a major hurdle for themselves.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This
is because the moral position they have been advancing is one which
requires one to put herself into the role of political philosopher, and
ask what sorts of principles ought to govern our social relationships.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Most people are inherently ill suited for this kind of thing, and will too often either become recalcitrant or brainwashed.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Ultimately, neither is desirable.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But
by making the moral position a part of the core of their viewpoint,
libertarians have created a set of circumstances where practically the
only lay-people who acknowledge the &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; part of the core &amp;ndash; the practical position &amp;ndash; are the people who are on board with the moral argument.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those who reject the moral argument overwhelmingly seem to be ignoring or rejecting the practical argument.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;There are a number of reasons why this is a regrettable state of affairs.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Perhaps
most significant of these is the fact that the practical part of the
core is completely consistent with almost every other viewpoint.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is uncontroversial &lt;i&gt;even among socialists&lt;/i&gt;
that we cannot always know the best policy solutions to social
problems, and that there are problems with entrusting centralized
governments with the reigns of society.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is therefore perfectly in line with &lt;i&gt;everyone&amp;rsquo;s&lt;/i&gt; viewpoint to consider the possibility that decentralized action might be the best way to deal with social issues, &lt;i&gt;by their own standards&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And
if libertarians are right about the idea that decentralized solutions
are more effective than centralized ones, this will appeal &lt;i&gt;to everyone&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This leads to another critically important reason why the current state of debate is unfortunate.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In
a world where people understood that decentralized decision-making is
often superior to central planning, we could reasonably expect people
to be substantially more open to the possibility that freedom to
determine one&amp;rsquo;s own course of action is a good thing.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The
person that says, &amp;ldquo;There&amp;rsquo;s no objective solution to this problem, so
let&amp;rsquo;s try and work something out together,&amp;rdquo; is going to be someone who
can easily be shown that imposing solutions on other people is a
problematic way to deal with social problems.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Essentially,
what I am saying is that coming to terms with the practical part of
libertarianism is actually a really effective way to get people to see
the virtue of the moral part.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So what I&amp;rsquo;m
proposing is that we organize ourselves to study how decentralized
solutions can be found for social problems, and how government action
is not necessarily the best way to deal with things.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This
seems like something that can appeal to people way outside of the
libertarian circle, and I think we should take full advantage of that
fact to bring the discussion into the mainstream arena.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What I have in mind, essentially, is something like an Institute for the Study of Decentralization.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The appeal here, again, is twofold.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;First,
it would serve the cause of liberty by helping to foster a mindset
which seems likely to bring people closer to being open to the
philosophy of freedom as a moral position.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And
second, it could help to bring a core part of the libertarian agenda &amp;ndash;
getting central governments out of their roles in social
decision-making &amp;ndash; into the mainstream policy arena, where it could form
a basis for consensus between libertarians and even their most bitter
opponents.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;To be perfectly clear, I&amp;rsquo;m not
saying that we could do this as a sneaky way to get people to be more
vulnerable to being converted.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My point is that
we can legitimately argue that even if we&amp;rsquo;re wrong in our moral
positions, our practical ideas are important and deserving of
consideration.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And further, we can say without
controversy that once people come to appreciate our practical ideas,
they&amp;rsquo;ll probably be able to see why we take the moral positions that we
do.&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=44629" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Liberty/default.aspx">Liberty</category></item><item><title>On the Use of the Term "Self-Interest" in Economics</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/26/on-the-use-of-the-term-quot-self-interest-quot-in-economics.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 06:12:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:39217</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>3</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=39217</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/26/on-the-use-of-the-term-quot-self-interest-quot-in-economics.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ve been repeatedly embroiled in an argument for the last few weeks
over the term &amp;quot;self-interest&amp;quot; as it is used in economic discussion, and
I wanted to hammer out my position once and for all so that I don&amp;#39;t
have to keep trying to start from the beginning. Here&amp;#39;s the deal. I am
told that within the discipline of economics, what it means to say that
a person &amp;quot;acted in her own self-interest&amp;quot; is that a person &amp;quot;acted
according to her own interests.&amp;quot; The idea here is that &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;all&lt;/span&gt;
action demonstrates preference, and that this necessarily means that
the actor preferred the action that was taken to all other actions. So
if I jump on a grenade in order to save my friends, what I have
demonstrated is that I preferred to jump on the grenade over all other
alternatives that I considered, and it&amp;#39;s fair to say that I wanted to
jump on the grenade; that out of all available alternatives, the one I
consider the best is the one where I jump on the grenade so that my
friends live. I&amp;#39;m down with that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I jump on the grenade
because I want to save my friends, I take it to be uncontroversial that
I do so according to my own interests. How could it be otherwise? And
if what we mean by &amp;quot;self-interest&amp;quot; is simply that I act according to my
own interests, then yes, my jumping on the grenade is self-interested.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But
when presented with the claim that jumping on the grenade is a
self-interested behavior, the average person tends to become perplexed.
It&amp;#39;s only after a thorough explanation of the &amp;quot;economic&amp;quot; meaning of the
term that it becomes clear how this could be the case. Why does this
happen? The reason, I contend, is that economists mean something
completely different by the term &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; than lay people do.
This, I will argue, is a problem, and should be remedied in order to
prevent completely unnecessary confusion and error.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me
explain. In talking about any interest or preferred scenario, there
must be a subject and an object. The subject, generally speaking, is
the person who has the interest or the preference. So if we&amp;#39;re talking
about my preference for eating an apple, the subject is me. It is &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; who prefers the apple, and the preference for the apple is incoherent without the fact that the preference is &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;my &lt;/span&gt;preference.
The object of the preference, on the other hand, is the end which the
subject is seeking to promote. In our example, I prefer the apple, but
the object of my preference is not simply the apple: I don&amp;#39;t value the
apple for itself. I want to &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;eat&lt;/span&gt;
the apple. The object of my preference, then, is something along the
lines of my having eaten the apple (perhaps we might say that I want
&amp;quot;the experience&amp;quot; of eating the apple, or &amp;quot;the happiness&amp;quot; produced by my
eating the apple; the exact way we phrase this is not critical).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The
critical thing to note here is that the economists&amp;#39; definition of
&amp;quot;self-interest&amp;quot; simply refers to the idea that interests are
subjective: the subject of all interests is the interested individual.
It is my understanding, however, that when lay people use the term
&amp;quot;self-interest,&amp;quot; what they have in mind is, minimally, that the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;object&lt;/span&gt;
of the preference has something to do with the interested individual.
So if my sister were sick, I might go get her some medicine. To say
that my getting the medicine is &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; would mean, to the
lay person, that I get the medicine in order to promote some
self-directed end. That is, I get the medicine because, perhaps, I am
happier when my sister is not sick, or my sister is irritating when
she&amp;#39;s sick, or there&amp;#39;s a cute pharmacist who will think I&amp;#39;m sweet for
taking care of my sick sister. The lay-person, then, would call
&amp;quot;non-self-interested&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;selfless&amp;quot; an interest with an object which
does not directly involve the actor. So I act selflessly if the reason
I go get the medicine is that I value my sister&amp;#39;s health &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;for its own sake&lt;/span&gt;, and am willing to take on the costs necessary to promote her health.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note
that this lay definition of self-interest is not incoherent or
contradictory. And note also that the &amp;quot;selfless&amp;quot; act identified by the
lay definition is labeled as &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; by the economist
definition. Indeed, the notion of &amp;quot;selflessness,&amp;quot; as identified by the
lay definition, is defined out of existence by the economist
definition. Because the economist identifies as &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; all
actions where the subject is the actor, and because all actions
demonstrate an interest on the part of the actor, it becomes clear that
there can be no such thing as a &amp;quot;non-self-interested&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;selfless&amp;quot;
action.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A number of problems immediately present themselves. The
first problem is that the economist definition completely eliminates
what I take to be an extremely &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;useful&lt;/span&gt;
distinction between &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;selfless&amp;quot; actions, which is
captured very well in the lay definition, without providing an adequate
substitute. One might object that the term &amp;quot;selfish&amp;quot; captures the
layman&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;self-interested,&amp;quot; but to most people, the term &amp;quot;selfish&amp;quot; is
emotionally charged with negative connotations. Observe the struggles
of the Objectivists to try to divorce this emotional&lt;br /&gt;connotation
from the term! By contrast, the layman&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;self-interest&amp;quot; is relatively
neutral and already conveys the sort of thing that the economist would
be trying to bend &amp;quot;selfish&amp;quot; into meaning. Further, the economist would
then need a new word for the layperson&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;selfish&amp;quot;! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another
reason that the fundamental difference between the lay person&amp;#39;s and the
economist&amp;#39;s definition is undesirable is that the economist&amp;#39;s
definition of &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; means exactly the same thing as the lay
person&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;interested.&amp;quot; Because all interests are subjective, and the
&amp;quot;self&amp;quot; in &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; refers only to this fact, the term becomes
redundant. The only thing that could conceivably be added by using the
term &amp;quot;self-interest&amp;quot; would be if the addition of the &amp;quot;self&amp;quot; served to
remind people that preferences are subjective. But as we have
discussed, the term &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; already means something, and it
has nothing to do with subjectivity. If anything, the use of the term
crowds out more useful terminology like &amp;quot;subjectively-interested.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet
another problem with the economists&amp;#39; definition is that now we have a
situation where the technical definition of the term &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot;
is fundamentally different from the normally accepted definition of the
word. That means that in order to actually communicate their points to
lay people, economists will need to first make clear what they mean by
self-interested, and ensure that their audience keeps this definition
firmly in mind so as to avoid drawing bad conclusions. This also
creates a systematic likelihood that people will be misled by
economists who fail to properly emphasize their use of the redefined
term. Nowhere is this problem more apparent than in the field of Public
Choice economics. We might imagine an economist going before a crowd of
lay persons and announcing that &amp;quot;The problem with governments is that
they are run by self-interested people.&amp;quot; We might imagine that what the
economist means here is that politicians act according to their own
preferences, and do not magically take on &amp;quot;society&amp;#39;s&amp;quot; preferences when
they are elected to office. They are, after all, human! And this would
be a good and important point. But upon hearing the economist say that
politicians are self-interested, a number of lay people might interpret
the economist as making the argument that politicians are &amp;quot;in it for
themselves&amp;quot; and are simply involved in politics in order to accrue
benefits for themselves, regardless of whether others are harmed in the
process. If it&amp;#39;s true that the economists&amp;#39; use of the term
&amp;quot;self-interest&amp;quot; does not offer any new or important insight into
anything, as I argued above, it&amp;#39;s unclear why we wouldn&amp;#39;t want to
simply avoid this problem altogether.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The final problem with the
economists&amp;#39; use of the term &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; is that economists
themselves may end up misusing the term and reverting to the normal
definition without noticing. Remember, economists are lay persons
before they are economists, and have generally grown up with a meaning
of the term &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; which is very different from the meaning
they&amp;#39;ve been trained to adopt in their profession. As a result, you end
up with phenomena like economists saying things along the lines of
&amp;quot;Because all actions are self-interested, it&amp;#39;s clear that the reason
you jump on the grenade is because you would be miserable if you
didn&amp;#39;t, and you expect that the misery would be way worse than dying.&amp;quot;
And I assure you, having heard that point made today, the risk of this
sort of thing occurring is very real.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So in conclusion, I say
that economists should quit their ridiculousness and give us back
&amp;quot;self-interest.&amp;quot; Their definition takes away a useful distinction which
is captured by the normal meaning of the word, doesn&amp;#39;t explain anything
new, and doesn&amp;#39;t accomplish anything except confusing everyone,
including the economists themselves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=39217" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Cap and Trade vs. the Carbon Tax </title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/13/cap-and-trade-vs-the-carbon-tax.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:09:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:37687</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=37687</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/13/cap-and-trade-vs-the-carbon-tax.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" class="null"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006bad;"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I&amp;#39;ve been addressing the issue of anthropogenic climate change for some time now, and I haven&amp;#39;t said much in the way of addressing specific policy proposals. But I was just given a delightful present by one of my fellow FEE associates: a copy of the American Institute for Economic Research&amp;#39;s latest &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Economic Education Bulletin&lt;/span&gt;, entitled &amp;quot;The Global Warming Debate: Science, Economics, and Policy.&amp;quot; I didn&amp;#39;t read the whole thing, but my favorite part was definitely when William R. Cotton, a professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State, closed his completely science-oriented essay, &amp;quot;Summary View of Climate Change,&amp;quot; with:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;There are strong indications that our global climate is warming. But the question is, is the warming due to anthropogenic greenhouse gases, or is it due to some other forcing mechanisms (or their transient absence) and natural variability. As human population on Earth continues to increase, the chances of human-induced changes in climate due to greenhouse gases, aerosol pollution, or alterations in land use become increasingly likely. Thus, rather than consider climate engineering, we should devise methods of encouraging the reduction of population growth through economic and quality-of-life incentives.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Period, end of conversation. No comment on that gem anywhere else in the entire essay. Who&amp;#39;s got two thumbs and &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;loves it&lt;/span&gt;? This guy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But anyway, that&amp;#39;s not the point. Later in the publication was an essay by Kenneth P. Green, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, where it was argued that a carbon tax is superior to a cap-and-trade system. I bounced between frustration, amusement, and glee as I read it, and felt an immediate need to comment. Not because Green did a bad job--he did just fine--but because he was guilty of something which is very common among people who discuss climate change: he discussed the possible &amp;quot;solutions&amp;quot; to climate change without addressing the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;reasons&lt;/span&gt; that a policy was to be implemented in the first place, and how the different solutions worked to address those reasons. His argument for a tax scheme over a cap-and-trade scheme was simply that a tax scheme could achieve the same goals, but with better economic side-effects and less potential for failure. Fine, I&amp;#39;ll even grant it. But taxes and caps are fundamentally different policies, which only make even a little sense when confronted by specific sorts of problems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I should explain what I mean. &lt;a href="http://www.strike-the-root.com/72/shahar/shahar5.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6699cc;"&gt;I&amp;#39;ve discussed elsewhere&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; the idea that in order to make any sense from an ethical point of view, pollution taxes need to be based on the idea that an individual is justified in polluting if and only if she pays compensation to her victims for any damage done to them. That idea is controversial, but for our purposes we don&amp;#39;t need to address that controversy. The point is only that &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;even if&lt;/span&gt; we accept that idea as true, there are &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;still&lt;/span&gt; only certain kinds of instances in which the injustice of pollution can legitimately be dealt with through a tax on pollution. The paradigm cases are those instances in which the damage caused by pollution is directly proportional to the amount of pollution that there is, so that the tax becomes the &amp;quot;price&amp;quot; of compensating the victims of one&amp;#39;s actions for the costs one imposes upon them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cap and trade schemes, on the other hand, are built for an entirely different kind of problem. In a paradigm cap and trade situation, there is a threshold level of pollution with which policymakers are concerned, and at the threshold, a certain amount of damage is anticipated. The cap and trade scheme accordingly sets the cap at the relevant amount of pollution, and then distributes &amp;quot;shares&amp;quot; of the &amp;quot;environmental space&amp;quot; below that threshold in some way (e.g., auction, grandfathering system...). Because the allocations may be economically inefficient for whatever reason, the shares can then be traded in accordance with the wishes of their owners in order to ensure that the right to pollute is distributed to those individuals who are willing to pay the most for it (note that the normal objections to the &amp;quot;willingness to pay&amp;quot; criterion are avoided by passing the buck to the distribution process, which of course must be justified separately).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The point I want to make here is that global climate change is a very different phenomenon than the sorts of phenomena for which either of these policies is built to provide a solution. &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2007/12/emergent-problems.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#666699;"&gt;As noted elsewhere&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, climate change is an emergent problem. That is, climate change is not the result of any individual&amp;#39;s actions, but rather is the consequence of many individuals acting separately, so that no individual can reasonably be said to have been able to prevent climate change from occurring, and no individual could have caused climate change singlehandedly. Accordingly, it does not make sense to talk about the consequences of climate change in terms of marginal contributions. The amount of damage caused by climate change will not likely change recognizeably with an additional increment of CO2 (or any other forcing agent), so it&amp;#39;s not reasonable to try to put a price on how much damage &amp;quot;a unit of climate forcing&amp;quot; (expressed, perhaps, in terms of GWP, or Global Warming Potential, as defined by the IPCC?) causes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A tax on contributions to climate change, therefore, seems like a policy which would require a bit of shoehorning. Individuals paying the tax would not be paying the &amp;quot;social cost&amp;quot; of their particular contribution, taken in isolation, because that would be basically zero. They would need to be charged for their &amp;quot;portion&amp;quot; of the total amount of damage done by climate change. So what policymakers would need to do would be to determine the total amount of damage which would be done at the equilibrium price for pollution permits, and then sell the permits at that price. The problem then becomes one of economic calculation. It could be done to some degree, but it would be inherently imprecise. And remember: the end result needs to be that the victims get compensated, so the government would have to go into its own pockets (that is to say, the pockets of its treasury or, more realistically, the pockets of its Federal Reserve printing press) to take care of the balance if it aimed low. And as my wonderful economist friends would point out, there would be a considerable incentive to aim &lt;em&gt;high&lt;/em&gt;, creating a surplus revenue stream for the government which would almost certainly not be returned. So the tax is doable, kind of, but the problem is not the kind of thing that the tax is designed for. It&amp;#39;s just that you can use the tax to accomplish the end goal if you want.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The cap and trade system is a little harder to adapt to the task, but there are a number of ways that the idea can be useful. First, there is a level to which we could collectively exert a forcing on the climate system without producing objectionable consequences. This level of climate forcing &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a threshold which could be amenable to a &lt;em&gt;soft&lt;/em&gt; cap and trade scheme (soft like the baseball salary cap). In this kind of policy, the cap would be set at the level of forcing which would produce no negative consequences, and this &amp;quot;environmental space&amp;quot; would be allocated somehow (or, if people find this to be a bad idea, we would simply say that these shares should be allocated in proportion to one&amp;#39;s contribution to climate change, so that the soft cap has no effect). People not receiving these shares, or polluting in excess of their shares, would be filling environmental space which represented something like &amp;quot;harmful social emissions&amp;quot;. Because these emissions would not be legitimated by the soft cap, they would be the ones which would be subject to the obligation to compensate the victims (again, if the soft cap isn&amp;#39;t being used, as mentioned above, it would just be that everyone would have to participate in compensating the victims).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here a potential for another cap would become apparent: We might imagine that policymakers would decide on a level of pollution (corresponding to some amount of total damage) which was determined to be &amp;quot;socially desirable&amp;quot; somehow. Perhaps, using the same reasoning involved in the tax scheme discussed above, the policymakers would arrive at the level of pollution which would clear the market if everyone paid some price for it. Or perhaps the policymakers would identify a level of pollution beyond which &lt;em&gt;unacceptable&lt;/em&gt; results would occur, and the cap would be set there. In any case, you would then have to set a cap and allocate the shares. So again, the policy could be made to work. But the problems are simply that it&amp;#39;s difficult to identify a level of &amp;quot;unacceptable&amp;quot; pollution, it&amp;#39;s just as difficult to identify a market clearing price in this scheme as it is with the tax (assuming that the shares are auctioned, of course), and any other way of running the scheme is sure to carry either difficulties of its own, or charges of arbitrariness which would sever the connection between the problem and the solution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So ultimately, what we&amp;#39;re faced with is a situation in which the only two policy suggestions that are on the table are not particularly well suited to the task of &amp;quot;solving&amp;quot; the problems arising from climate change (and I haven&amp;#39;t even begun to address the question of how the compensation process would even work, or whether compensation could make climate change legitimate!), and the only way to make either of them work is to basically stretch and contort them until they are made to do the job acceptably. Doing so, it will be noted, requires in both cases that government decision-makers possess knowledge and foresight which they almost certainly do not have, and even then it&amp;#39;s unclear that the policies would work properly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obviously, there&amp;#39;s a lot more to say about this. I just wanted to get some preliminary thoughts down, and I think this was a good start. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=37687" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Appropriation+and+Environmentalism/default.aspx">Appropriation and Environmentalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Emergent+Problems/default.aspx">Emergent Problems</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Compensation/default.aspx">Compensation</category></item><item><title>Can the Free Market Solve the Problems Posed by Climate Change?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/20/can-the-free-market-solve-the-problems-posed-by-climate-change.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:22:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:22953</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>103</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=22953</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/20/can-the-free-market-solve-the-problems-posed-by-climate-change.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When confronted by the possibility of climate change, many
libertarians default to the position that the free market, with its
ability to mobilize the ingenuity of the economy for the satisfaction
of the desires of the people, will provide the solutions we desire. I
want to discuss this view, because I think it is the result of a
mistaken understanding of the nature of the free market. For an example
of this view, consider George Reisman&amp;#39;s comments in his essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae5_2_1.pdf"&gt;Environmentalism in the Light of Menger and Mises&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The
appropriate answer to the environmentalists is that we will not
sacrifice a hair of industrial civilization, and that if global warming
and ozone depletion really are among its consequences, we will accept
them and deal with them--by such reasonable means as employing more and
better air conditioners and sun block, not by giving up our air
conditioners, refrigerators, and automobiles.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In his essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/reisman/reisman34.html"&gt;Global Warming Is Not a Threat But the Environmentalist Response to It Is&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;quot; Reisman elaborates:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
...if global warming is a fact, the free citizens of an industrial
civilization will have no great difficulty in coping with - that is, of
course, if their ability to use energy and to produce is not crippled
by the environmental movement and by government controls otherwise
inspired.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He goes on to say that global warming&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...would
certainly not be too great a problem for tens and hundreds of millions
of free, thinking individuals living under capitalism to solve. It
would be solved by means of each individual being free to decide how
best to cope with the particular aspects of global warming that
affected him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reisman makes an important point.
When it comes to allocating resources efficiently, the free market is
unparalleled in its effectiveness. In his essay, &amp;quot;The Use of Knowledge
in Society,&amp;quot; Hayek explained:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...knowledge of the
circumstances...never exists in concentrated or integrated form, but
solely as the dispersed bits of incomplete and frequently contradictory
knowledge which all...separate individuals possess. The economic
problem of society is thus not merely a problem of how to allocate
&amp;quot;given&amp;quot; resources--if &amp;quot;given&amp;quot; is taken to mean given to a single mind
which deliberately solves the problem set by these &amp;quot;data.&amp;quot; It is rather
a problem of how to secure the best use of resources known to any of
the members of society, for ends whose relative importance only these
individuals know. Or, to put it briefly, it is a problem of the
utilization of knowledge not given to anyone in its totality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hayek points out that&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...there
is...a body of very important but unorganized knowledge which cannot
possibly be called scientific in the sense of knowledge of general
rules: the knowledge of the particular circumstances of time and place.
It is with respect to this that practically every individual has some
advantage over all others in that he possesses unique information of
which beneficial use might be made, but of which use can be made only
if the decisions depending on it are left to him or are made with his
active cooperation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He concludes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If we
can agree that the economic problem of society is mainly one of rapid
adaptation to changes in the particular circumstances of time and
place, it would seem to follow that the ultimate decisions must be left
to the people who are familiar with these circumstances, who know
directly of the relevant changes and of the resources immediately
available to meet them. We cannot expect that this problem will be
solved by first communicating all this knowledge to a central board
which, after integrating &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;all &lt;/span&gt;knowledge, issues its orders.  We must solve it by some form of decentralization.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This decentralization is the free market.  Hayek explains that&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...in
a system where the knowledge of the relevant facts is dispersed among
many people, prices can act to coordinate the separate actions of
different people in the same way as subjective values help the
individual to coordinate the parts of his plan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And
indeed, it&amp;#39;s been demonstrated in practically every instance that the
free market has the capacity to satisfy the wants of the population
better than centrally organized alternatives. So I think Reisman is
largely right in saying that when it comes to adapting to new problems,
the market does do great work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But when we talk about the free
market, we generally have two things in mind. The first, which Reisman
focuses on, is a system in which property titles are traded voluntarily
in a mutually beneficial way, resulting in a continuous progression
towards a more efficient allocation of resources. But the second, which
underpins the first, is a system in which rights are enforced, so that
individuals who infringe on the rights of others are punished, and
those whose rights are infringed are compensated for the harm they
suffer. It is my contention the Reisman&amp;#39;s argument breaks down by
completely brushing off this second feature of the market.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Imagine
if we were trying to discuss the proper social response to a particular
theft. It might be true that of all social systems, a victim of theft
would be best equipped for dealing with her loss in a capitalistic free
market. She would not need to consult a central planning board in order
to replace the things that were taken, and her higher purchasing power,
enabled by her participation in a thriving market economy, would enable
her to afford the replacement with comparative ease.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yet we would obviously not be satisfied with this &amp;quot;solution.&amp;quot;  The reason is simple.  The thief did something &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;wrong&lt;/span&gt;,
and therefore, the thief ought to be held responsible for fixing it,
never mind that we should perhaps have tried to stop the theft from
happening in the first place. Accordingly, by suggesting that we simply
allow the free market to operate so that adaptation will be easier,
Reisman is smuggling in the claim that we do nothing wrong to the
victims of climate change.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This seems obviously contentious. The
question should not be, as Reisman seems to want to make it, whether or
not the free market is the best system for facilitating adaptation to
changing conditions. The question is whether we do something unjust by
contributing to climate change. To be fair, Reisman briefly addresses
this issue, as &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2007/12/emergent-problems.html"&gt;I discussed here&lt;/a&gt;.
But my point is that by glossing quickly over the issue of justice,
many libertarians have completely missed the point. If the free market
is to be relied on to provide a &amp;quot;solution&amp;quot; to climate change, it must
be through a strict adherence to the principles of justice. If we
simply ignore injustice, and define fairness in terms of mere
participation in the market, then we cannot claim to be advocating
libertarianism.&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=22953" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx">Property Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Appropriation+and+Environmentalism/default.aspx">Appropriation and Environmentalism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Interpersonal Comparisons of Utility</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/18/interpersonal-comparisons-of-utility.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:21:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:22692</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=22692</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/18/interpersonal-comparisons-of-utility.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So as &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/03/subjectivity-of-value.html"&gt;I said earlier&lt;/a&gt;,
I&amp;#39;ve been getting involved in a whole bunch of debates involving value
theory, and I wanted to sketch out a few of my views in order to have a
starting point for discussion, so I don&amp;#39;t have to keep explaining
myself over and over again. In this post, I want to address the idea
that because there is no way to objectively measure utility, it is
impossible to coherently make claims which involve comparisons of
utility between people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But before addressing this point, I
anticipate that it will be necessary to offer something by way of
disclaimer. It occurs to me that by suggesting that something can be
more valuable to one person than to another person, I will be accused
of being a Utilitarian--of claiming that the person to whom the thing
would be most valuable should be the one to have it. An example of a
view like this can be found in Peter Singer&amp;#39;s famous essay, &amp;quot;Famine,
Affluence, and Morality,&amp;quot; where he wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;When we
buy new clothes not to keep warm but to look &amp;quot;well-dressed&amp;quot; we are not
providing for any important need. We would not be sacrificing anything
if we were to continue to wear our old clothes, and give the money to
famine relief. By doing so, we would be preventing another person from
starving...we ought to give money away, rather than spend it on clothes
which we do not need to keep us warm. To do so is not charitable, or
generous. Nor is it the kind of act which it would be good to do, but
not wrong not to do. On the contrary, we ought to give the money away,
and it is wrong not to do so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do not wish to comment
on exactly to what extent I disagree with Singer, except to say that I
think that for very many people, maintaining a good appearance is a
very serious interest, and should not be brushed off with such little
care. I will also say, in passing, that I find slightly disturbing
Singer&amp;#39;s view that morality &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;requires &lt;/span&gt;us
to give to others &amp;quot;...unless in doing so we would be sacrificing
something of comparable moral significance...&amp;quot; I simply can not assent
to the idea that we have no right to indulge in pleasures of our own
(even if we&amp;#39;ve earned those pleasures!), as long as there are others
who are worse off than we are. The source of this objection is
obviously Kantian: my life is an end in itself, and I need not justify
my pursuit of personal fulfillment by reference to anything else but
the notion that I am an individual with a right to live my life
according to my own desires. I do, however, find plausible the idea
that we have some obligation to help those in need, and that neglect of
this duty is immoral (though perhaps, as Nozick pointed out, we would
not be justified in enforcing morality in this sense). But all of this
is beyond my point.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The purpose of this discussion is not to
explain the ethical consequences of interpersonal comparisons of
utility. It is simply meant to give some reason for thinking that we
are not necessarily incoherent to make claims which rely on comparisons
of utility between people. Accordingly, my disclaimer is this: My
argument is positive, and not normative. In saying that interpersonal
utility comparisons are, in at least some cases, possible, I am not
saying anything about what &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;ought &lt;/span&gt;to
be done in cases where these comparisons show that one person would
benefit more than another from some policy, or where one person would
gain more than another would lose.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So with that protracted
disclaimer out of the way, I&amp;#39;ll get on to the issue at hand. Perhaps
the most famous reason for thinking that utility &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;can&amp;#39;t&lt;/span&gt; be compared between individuals is discussed by R.F. Harrod in his essay, &amp;quot;Scope and Method of Economics.&amp;quot;  He writes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Whether the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;th unit of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;X&lt;/span&gt; has greater or less utility than the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;th unit of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Y&lt;/span&gt;
to a given individual may be made the subject of test. He can be given
the choice. But there are no scientific means of deciding whether the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;th of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;X&lt;/span&gt; has greater or less utility to individual &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;P&lt;/span&gt; than the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;m&lt;/span&gt;th of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Y&lt;/span&gt; has to another individual &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;.  The choice can never be put.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This
point is entirely true. But notice what Harrod says next: &amp;quot;This implies
that we cannot in fact decide whether two pense have more utility to a
millionaire or a beggar. Yet we may have a shrewd suspicion. But this,
we are told, is &amp;quot;unscientific,&amp;quot; for lack of a test.&amp;quot; He continues, &amp;quot;Can
we afford to reject this very clear finding of common sense? Of course
great caution must be exercised in not pushing the matter too far.
Since the evidence is vague, we must not go farther than a very clear
mandate from common sense allows.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This, I think, is the
crux of the issue. When I walk home from class, sometimes I feel like
grabbing a cup of coffee from Espresso Royale. I can&amp;#39;t remember exactly
what it costs me for a medium cup of coffee, but however much it is, it
wildly eclipses the amount it would cost me to make a cup at home. We
have a pretty good coffee maker here, and we grind our own beans. I
love coffee, and can definitely tell the difference between good coffee
and bad coffee, but I honestly don&amp;#39;t think there&amp;#39;s a difference in
quality between what I can make at home and what I can buy at the
coffee shop. The difference is really that I have to wait; I have to
walk all the way home and wait for the darn stuff to brew. I also have
to grind the beans, put water in the machine, and find my own cup. But
to be honest, the difference is pretty negligible; I&amp;#39;m honestly not
sure it&amp;#39;s even rational for me to ever buy coffee from the shop, and
usually I don&amp;#39;t.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then again, sometimes I do. The dollar or two
difference buys me a small amount of convenience and instant
gratification. But imagine if every time I was going to buy coffee from
Espresso Royale, I stopped myself and put the money in an envelope and
sent it to help desperately poor people in Africa. For a few dollars,
you can buy quite a bit over there, even after those altruistic leeches
in the non-profit agencies skim off their &amp;quot;administrative costs.&amp;quot; In
many countries, people live off of that much money per day. Someone who
might have starved would be fed; someone who might have suffered
horribly from an easily curable illness would be given the medicine
they need.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Quick, tell me which will result in a greater
increase in utility: (a) I get my cup of coffee at Espresso Royale
instead of making it at home; (b) A child in Sierra Leone doesn&amp;#39;t die
from tetanus because she is given a vaccine paid for by me. To preempt
the inevitable objections: let me reiterate, I am not saying anything
about whether or not I should get the coffee. I am only appealing to
the notion that it would be pretty ridiculous of me to say that I can&amp;#39;t
determine whether (a) or (b) results in more utility gained, because
there&amp;#39;s no scientific way to compare them. As Amartya Sen famously
said, &amp;quot;Why must we reject being vaguely right in favor of being
precisely wrong?&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That being said, I want to return to something
important that I quoted Harrod as saying earlier: &amp;quot;Of course great
caution must be exercised in not pushing the matter too far. Since the
evidence is vague, we must not go farther than a very clear mandate
from common sense allows.&amp;quot; It is key to keep in mind that when we make
interpersonal comparisons of utility, we are &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;not&lt;/span&gt;
measuring utility in a cardinal manner for each individual and
comparing these measurements to each other. We can not coherently say
that vaccinating the child in Sierra Leone produces 50 more utils than
me getting my Espresso Royale coffee. We cannot even say that the
vaccination produces 10 times more utility than I gain from my coffee.
At least not with any hope of accuracy, we can&amp;#39;t. Given this inability
to precisely compare utility between individuals, it should be clear
that while we might justifiably engage in interpersonal comparisons in
extreme situations, we must be very careful when we approach the
margins.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hopefully that&amp;#39;s enough to establish my point of view.  As always, feedback is welcome and appreciated.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=22692" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>The Subjectivity of Value</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/14/the-subjectivity-of-value.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:47:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:22255</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=22255</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/14/the-subjectivity-of-value.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;For some reason, the past few weeks have found me embroiled in more
debates about value theory than I can remember in the past year.
Accordingly, I figured I&amp;#39;d post something on the subject as a starting
point for those debates, so that I don&amp;#39;t have to repeat my entire view
in every conversation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problems people seem to be wrestling
with are twofold. First, people have been arguing that because value is
subjective, we can&amp;#39;t say anything about how much value something has
except by saying how much someone values it. Second, people have been
claiming that because there is no acceptable way to objectively measure
utility, it is impossible to coherently make claims about utility which compare
utility between one individual and another. I want to address both
issues, but this post will only discuss the former; I&amp;#39;ll deal with the
latter another time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To begin, I want to make clear that I don&amp;#39;t
deny that utility is subjective. But what does it mean to say this? One
uncontroversial, but relatively weak, way of interpreting this is to
say that without people (or other valuers) to value things, nothing
would have value. While this shouldn&amp;#39;t offend anyone, it also doesn&amp;#39;t
tell us very much. It only means that value must be value &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;to&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;someone&lt;/span&gt;; the cake is not valuable, it is valuable &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;to people&lt;/span&gt;.
If there were a cake on a planet with nothing else on it, so that no
sentient being would ever come across the cake or even know that it
existed, it would seem odd to attribute any value to the cake.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But
it&amp;#39;s clear that this isn&amp;#39;t what people mean when they say that value is
subjective. It seems like what people are saying is that something
becomes valuable because someone values it. George Reisman might seem
to have embodied this sort of view when &lt;a href="https://www.mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae5_2_1.pdf"&gt;he said&lt;/a&gt;, &amp;quot;...the starting point both of goods-character and of the value of goods is &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;within us&lt;/span&gt;--within
human beings--and radiates outward from us to external things,
establishing...goods-character and value...&amp;quot; It also might seem to have
been present in Mises&amp;#39; thought, when &lt;a href="http://www.mises.org/th/chapter1.asp"&gt;he said&lt;/a&gt;,
&amp;quot;Judgments of value are voluntaristic. They express feelings, tastes,
or preferences of the individual who utters them. With regard to them
there cannot be any question of truth and falsity. They are ultimate
and not subject to any proof or evidence.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mises continued,
&amp;quot;What the theorem of the subjectivity of valuation means is that there
is no standard available which would enable us to reject any ultimate
judgment of value as wrong, false, or erroneous in the way we can
reject an existential proposition as manifestly false. It is vain to
argue about ultimate judgments of value as we argue about the truth or
falsity of an existential proposition.&amp;quot; It is on the back of statements
like these that people argue that we are unable to posit value in
anything apart from the value placed on it by some individual.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But
this immediately leads to some problematic conclusions. For one, it
means that if we cannot say that it would be good for the alcoholic to
avoid taking another drink, or that the person in an abusive
relationship would be better off leaving his partner, unless they
believed that to be the case. If it is the nature of value that it does
not exist except as it is placed on certain things by people, then it
would be impossible to be mistaken about the value of something.
Clearly the alcoholic &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;values&lt;/span&gt; the drink, and the abused partner &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;values&lt;/span&gt; his relationship, but there seems to be a sense in which we want to say that the alcoholic &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;shouldn&amp;#39;t&lt;/span&gt; value the drink, and the abused partner &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;should&lt;/span&gt; leave.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The
problem arises from the fact that we can talk about something&amp;#39;s being
&amp;quot;valuable&amp;quot; in two ways. One is positive: &amp;quot;I value X; X is valuable.&amp;quot;
The other is normative: &amp;quot;X would help me to achieve my ends; X is
valuable.&amp;quot; When my opponents talk about the subjectivity of value, they
slip into the former kind of thinking. That is, they take the view that
what is desired is the same as what is desirable. But it is my
contention that what is desirable, in discussing the value of some
object, is what &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;ought to be &lt;/span&gt;desired, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;given the ends of the agent in question&lt;/span&gt;.  So while I agree that &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;ultimate ends&lt;/span&gt; can&amp;#39;t be disputed (if you want to be a devout Christian, I can&amp;#39;t tell you that you&amp;#39;re wrong), I can dispute the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;means&lt;/span&gt; you choose for obtaining your ultimate ends.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is played out in Mises&amp;#39; discussion when &lt;a href="http://www.mises.org/th/intro.asp"&gt;he says&lt;/a&gt;,
&amp;quot;The characteristic mark of ultimate ends is that they depend entirely
on each individual&amp;#39;s personal and subjective judgment, which cannot be
examined, measured, still less corrected by any other person. Each
individual is the only and final arbiter in matters concerning his own
satisfaction and happiness.&amp;quot; He continues, &amp;quot;Means are judged and
appreciated according to their ability to produce definite effects.
While judgments of value are personal, subjective, and final, judgments
about means are essentially inferences drawn from factual propositions
concerning the power of the means in question to produce definite
effects. About the power of a means to produce a definite effect there
can be dissension and dispute between men. For the evaluation of
ultimate ends there is no interpersonal standard available.&amp;quot;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;  Accepting this view of value, it seems clear that we can indeed make claims about how valuable something is &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;as a means for achieving some end&lt;/span&gt;, even though we can&amp;#39;t actually say that the end in question is &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;valuable&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In
passing, I want to preempt an obvious objection. In practice, I (and I
think most people) do tend to assume that individuals have certain
ultimate ends, and that under this assumption, I can largely ignore the
issue of the subjectivity of ends. For example, I don&amp;#39;t tell the
alcoholic, &amp;quot;If you desire the sort of life I find that most people do,
you shouldn&amp;#39;t have that drink.&amp;quot; I simply say, &amp;quot;You shouldn&amp;#39;t have that
drink.&amp;quot; If I were to discover that the alcoholic actually thought that
his purpose on the Earth was to explore the effects of alcoholism,
producing knowledge for himself and the rest of humanity in the
process, then I couldn&amp;#39;t criticize his choice of drinking in the same
way. But recognizing this possibility doesn&amp;#39;t preclude me from &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;assuming&lt;/span&gt;
that they alcoholic is making a poor decision (in the absence of
evidence to the contrary). That I could be wrong because of a faulty
assumption, doesn&amp;#39;t prove that the position outlined here is wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One
thing that I should address, but I won&amp;#39;t, is the issue of justice as it
relates to value. It&amp;#39;s fully possible that someone could do something
which would actually produce the effect of promoting her ends, but we
would still want to say that there&amp;#39;s something wrong with it. Mises
seemed to think that justice could be completely explained in
utilitarian, contractarian terms, &lt;a href="http://www.mises.org/th/chapter3.asp"&gt;saying&lt;/a&gt;,
&amp;quot;The ultimate yardstick of justice is conduciveness to the preservation
of social cooperation. Conduct suited to preserve social cooperation is
just, conduct detrimental to the preservation of society is unjust.
There cannot be any question of organizing society according to the
postulates of an arbitrary preconceived idea of justice. The problem is
to organize society for the best possible realization of those ends
which men want to attain social cooperation. Social utility is the only
standard of justice. It is the sole guide of legislation.&amp;quot; I completely
disagree with this assertion, and I am supported in this by a
considerable tradition in philosophy. But how this relates to the
discussion of value is beyond the scope of this post. I think that what
I&amp;#39;ve said so far is good enough for my purposes. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=22255" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Intrinsic+Value/default.aspx">Intrinsic Value</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Asymmetry Between Positive and Negative Externalities</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/11/asymmetry-between-positive-and-negative-externalities.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:27:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:21773</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>12</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=21773</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/11/asymmetry-between-positive-and-negative-externalities.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;I want to discuss an asymmetry between positive and negative
externalities which I think might be important when thinking about how
to use the enforcement of justice to determine which actions should be
permitted. Sometimes, we let individuals impose costs on others,
provided compensation is payed, because their actions produce net
social benefits. As Nozick writes in &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Anarchy, State, and Utopia&lt;/span&gt;,
&amp;quot;The reason one sometimes would wish to allow boundary crossings with
compensation...is presumably the great benefits of the act; it is
worthwhile, ought to be done, and can pay its way.&amp;quot; In its &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Climate Change 1995: Economic and Social Dimensions of Climate Change&lt;/span&gt;,
the IPCC elaborates on this idea, explaining that if an action
&amp;quot;...yields positive net benefits, then those made better off could
compensate those made worse off with something extra left over. As long
as the compensation is paid, the result is an unambiguous gain in
welfare, without the necessity of weighing effects on different
individuals.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&amp;#39;s worth pointing out that this is not entirely
uncontroversial. Nozick writes, &amp;quot;...a system permitting boundary
crossing, provided compensation is paid, embodies the use of persons as
means; knowing they are being so used, and that their plans and
expectations are liable to being thwarted arbitrarily, is a cost to
people...&amp;quot; For this reason, Nozick suggests that &amp;quot;Any border-crossing
act which permissibly may be done provided compensation is paid
afterwards will be one to which prior consent is impossible or very
costly to negotiate...But not vice versa.&amp;quot; For our purposes, however,
we will ignore this problem, and limit our discussion to only those
compensated boundary crossings which are not problematic in this way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So
what&amp;#39;s the asymmetry? It should be clear that the preceding discussion
was directed only at negative externalities. That is, cases where I do
something that results in costs being imposed on other people, where I
haven&amp;#39;t obtained their consent in advance. An entirely different
framework applies to positive externalities: cases where, without being
asked or promised anything, I do something which results in positive
outcomes for other people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Where we think of negative
externalities as demanding of compensation, we generally don&amp;#39;t think
that we are entitled to payment for the positive outcomes we have
generated for others as a result of positive externalities. So when we
impose costs without consent, we owe compensation, but when we &amp;quot;impose&amp;quot;
benefits without &amp;quot;consent,&amp;quot; we are not entitled to payment. This is the
asymmetry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But on the surface, this doesn&amp;#39;t seem to be
problematic. If I unilaterally decided to do something which had
positive consequences for you, then it doesn&amp;#39;t seem like you suddenly
take an obligation to compensate me for my trouble; &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;I&amp;#39;m&lt;/span&gt; the one who decided to do the thing that I did, and presumably I &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;would&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;have&lt;/span&gt; decided to do it, even if you weren&amp;#39;t around.  On the other hand, if I unilaterally do something that has &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;negative&lt;/span&gt; consequences for you, then I &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;do&lt;/span&gt; take on an obligation to compensate you; &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;you&lt;/span&gt; didn&amp;#39;t decide for me to do what I did, and presumably you &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;wouldn&amp;#39;t&lt;/span&gt; have in the absence of compensation.  The asymmetry seems simply to reflect the idea that we are not entitled to make people &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;worse off&lt;/span&gt; without their consent in the execution of our plans.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However,
there are two implications of this asymmetry which might be worth
noting. The first can be shown by the following illustration. Imagine
that on Bill&amp;#39;s roof, there is a machine which produces laser light
shows on the bottoms of clouds at night. Bill lives in a large town,
but most of the people don&amp;#39;t really care one way or the other about the
laser light shows; they&amp;#39;re typically asleep when they&amp;#39;re going on. A
few people do enjoy the shows, but not to a huge degree. If put on the
spot, they would probably pay a small sum to allow them to continue,
but tracking these people down and collecting money from them would be
relatively difficult, and they probably wouldn&amp;#39;t respond to mass
mailers, newspaper ads, or other public fund raising efforts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On
the other hand, Bill&amp;#39;s laser machine generates a certain kind of green
smoke which is not a health hazard in any way, but which tends to drift
into Terry&amp;#39;s yard and stain his house a particularly ugly color. The
stain can be cleaned, but doing so is somewhat costly, and as Terry
does not typically watch the laser light show, he is rightly irritated
by Bill&amp;#39;s behavior. Being a reasonable person, Terry takes Bill to
court to demand that he either pay for his house to be cleaned
periodically, or else stop putting on the show.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, perhaps the
people who enjoy the show would be collectively willing to pay enough
to completely cover the costs of cleaning Terry&amp;#39;s house. But without
their contributions, Bill would not be willing to pay this amount. What
would end up happening is that Bill would put a stop to the show, and
though they&amp;#39;d be disappointed, the people who enjoyed the show would
likely not be motivated enough to get together and pay the amount
necessary to get it going again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let&amp;#39;s imagine that Bill &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;knew&lt;/span&gt; who these people were.  Even though he knows that they were benefiting from his show, the burden is on &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;him&lt;/span&gt; to convince them to &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;voluntarily&lt;/span&gt;
contribute to getting the show going again. The effort necessary might
be prohibitive. On the other hand, this burden does not seem to be on
Terry; Bill has the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;obligation&lt;/span&gt;
to compensate Terry for whatever costs are done to him. This
illustration shows that if we say that one is obliged to compensate for
negative external effects, but one is not entitled to payment for
positive external effects, then the costs of organizing people would
result in the cessation of an entire class of net beneficial effects.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Confronted
with this possibility, we might shrug our shoulders and say, &amp;quot;That&amp;#39;s a
shame, but we&amp;#39;re not particularly concerned.&amp;quot; We might point to the
fact that our alternatives are somewhat limited. We can try to
calculate net benefits and then either &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;fine&lt;/span&gt; or &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;tax&lt;/span&gt;
alleged beneficiaries in order to pay compensation to harmed parties,
or else we can simply allow allegedly &amp;quot;net beneficial&amp;quot; acts to be
undertaken without any compensation for the victims.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Both of
these alternatives seem objectionable. As we said before, my decision
to do something which benefits you doesn&amp;#39;t seem to generate an
obligation in you to pay me. And as Nozick writes, &amp;quot;Using...[someone]
for the benefit of others, uses him and benefits the others. Nothing
more. What happens is something is done to him for the sake of others.
Talk of an overall social good covers this up...To use a person in this
way does not sufficiently respect and take account of the fact that he
is a separate person, that his is the only life he has. &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;He &lt;/span&gt;does not get some overbalancing good for his sacrifice, and no one is entitled to force this upon him...&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We
find ourselves in a situation where we are forced to choose the best of
a set of evils. Nozick writes, &amp;quot;Because great transaction costs may
make the fairest alternative impracticable, one may search for other
alternatives...These alternatives will involve constant minor
unfairness and classes of major ones.&amp;quot; As far as &amp;quot;unfairnesses&amp;quot; go, the
ones we face here seem rather minor.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;[It has come to my attention that I&amp;#39;m
an idiot and apparently can&amp;#39;t tell the difference between the word
&amp;quot;defendant&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;plaintiff.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; I apologize to anyone who may have been
confused by the rest of this post.]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But this leads to the
second implication of the asymmetry between positive and negative
externalities, which I find significantly more troubling. This problem
arises from an interesting fact about the way that rights are enforced.
In his essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj26n3/cj26n3-3.pdf"&gt;Science, Public Policy, and Global Warming: Rethinking the Market Liberal Position&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;quot;
Edwin Dolan writes, &amp;quot;Certain defenses are allowed against a charge of
assault or trespass. Consent of the victim is one. Also, if no causal
relationship can be shown between the action of the defendant and the
offense to the victim, the tort is not proved. However, certain
attempted defenses are not recognized as legally valid...&amp;quot; Of these,
one is &amp;quot;A showing that the defendant gained benefits from the tort, the
value of which exceeds the costs to the victim.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This means that an individual can perform an action which is beneficial to &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;everyone&lt;/span&gt;, and still be required to compensate people for any &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;individual negative effects&lt;/span&gt;
resulting from the action. It is important to note that the issue is
not whether it could be proven that the action produced beneficial
consequences for the victim that were more significant than the costs
imposed. Rather, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;even if this were proven&lt;/span&gt;, the boundary-crosser would &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;still&lt;/span&gt; be required to pay the victim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;m
struggling to figure out what I think about this. I need some time to
think; any thoughts or opinions would be very welcome.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=21773" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx">Property Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Monetary Compensation for Future Generations</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/11/monetary-compensation-for-future-generations.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:03:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:21757</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=21757</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/03/11/monetary-compensation-for-future-generations.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ve been talking a lot about whether or not we could have obligations
to future people, and it occurred to me that I should say something
about what it would mean for us to have those obligations, if we did
have them. For example, let&amp;#39;s say (as I &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/03/costs-vs-harms-in-light-of-non-identity.html"&gt;discussed here&lt;/a&gt;)
that it is wrong to act in such a way that a person comes into
existence, upon whom the consequences of your actions will impose
costs, but who will not have been provided with proper compensation for
those costs. It should be obvious that one way to act permissibly would
be to avoid that sort of action. But another way to act permissibly
would be to provide compensation to the person your actions bring into
existence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What kind of compensation would this be? The obvious
answer seems to be that we should leave them some amount of money which
would sufficiently make up for the costs they&amp;#39;ll have to endure as a
result of our actions. But I wanted to point out an interesting feature
of monetary compensation across time periods which might be significant
to the way we think about the issue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let&amp;#39;s say I harm you today,
and give you money to compensate you for it. Basically, what I&amp;#39;ve done
is give you power for directing the allocation of social resources
which formerly belonged to me. As Hayek wrote in his essay, &amp;quot;The Use of
Knowledge in Society,&amp;quot; &amp;quot;...in a system where the knowledge of the
relevant facts is dispersed among many people, prices can act to
coordinate the separate actions of different people in the same way as
subjective values help the individual to coordinate the parts of his
plan.&amp;quot; Providing someone with compensation has the effect of removing
power to direct the market from one person, and giving it to another.
It seems fair to say that this is exactly what we want to do when we
make someone compensate someone else.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But something very
different happens when someone leaves compensation for someone in the
distant future. There are two steps in this process which occur at
significantly different times. The first step is that someone loses
their purchasing power. Influence on the market is lost by the
compensating individual, and is essentially given to the rest of the
actors in the economy. Basically, money is taken out of the economy,
and therefore the rest of the money becomes more valuable: it gains
more power for coordinating the market.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second step is that
in the future, an individual comes into existence and is given the
money that had previously been taken out of the economy. This has the
effect of increasing the money supply. Predictably, the rest of the
money in the economy becomes less valuable. In other words, power for
market coordination is transferred from the rest of the economy to the
individual who is being compensated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It should be clear that
this is fundamentally different from monetary compensation which occurs
instantaneously. But the significance of this difference might not be
immediately apparent. Purchasing power is released into the economy in
the first step, and then essentially recaptured in the second; it might
seem like things ultimately balance out. But the problem comes into
focus when we recognize that the economy is populated by different
people when the purchasing power is released than it is when the
purchasing power is recaptured.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Essentially the problem is this.
When we compensate someone instantaneously, purchasing power is
transferred directly from us to them. But when we compensate someone in
the distant future, we transfer purchasing power from ourselves to the
other members of our generation, and then in the future, purchasing
power is transferred from the other members of the future person&amp;#39;s
generation to the future person. The purchasing power is not
transferred directly from us to the person to whom we are obligated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What does this mean?  I&amp;#39;m not sure.  I just thought it might be worth pointing out. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=21757" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Cost-Benefit Analysis in Light of the Non-Identity Problem</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/19/cost-benefit-analysis-in-light-of-the-non-identity-problem.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:48:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:19413</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>5</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=19413</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/19/cost-benefit-analysis-in-light-of-the-non-identity-problem.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;[Cross-posted on the &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So earlier I wrote about &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/search/label/Discounting"&gt;the role played by discounting&lt;/a&gt;
in doing cost-benefit analyses on the impacts of climate change. I
concluded that discounting of future damage is unethical because it
treats future people as if their interests matter less than present
people&amp;#39;s. But recently, I&amp;#39;ve &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/search/label/The%20Non-Identity%20Problem"&gt;also been discussing&lt;/a&gt;
the implications of the Non-Identity Problem, and it should be clear
that cost-benefit analysis needs to explain its relevance in light of
this problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For those who haven&amp;#39;t been paying attention (or have only recently begun seeing my blog at its spiffy new &lt;a href="http://mises.com/blogs/donny/"&gt;alternative location&lt;/a&gt;), I &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/01/harm-to-future-people-in-light-of-non.html"&gt;explained&lt;/a&gt; the relevance of the Non-Identity Problem like this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If
we were to act to prevent or mitigate climate change, we would bring it
about that people would spend their money on different things, travel
to different places, meet different people, get different jobs, and
most importantly, have different children (just think how tiny are the
chances of a particular spermatozoon fertilizing a particular egg!). In
100 years, it&amp;#39;s likely (if not certain) that the world would be
populated by an entirely different set of people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a
consequence of this &amp;quot;fact&amp;quot; (I will accept it as one), we are pretty
much forced to say that the people who inherit a world affected by
climate change are no worse off &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;than they could have been&lt;/span&gt;,
because if we had caused less climate change, they wouldn&amp;#39;t have
existed. Accordingly, it seems difficult to see how we could say that
climate change &amp;quot;harms&amp;quot; anyone; if we did anything differently &amp;quot;to&amp;quot;
them, they&amp;#39;d simply not exist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So if the people who
would face climate change will be different people than the ones who
would have existed if we didn&amp;#39;t cause climate change, how can we
reasonably talk about &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;costs&lt;/span&gt;
being incurred as a result of climate change? It seems like when we
talk about costs, we do rely on some sort of counterfactual, based on
what would have happened if the event in question hadn&amp;#39;t happened. For
example, let&amp;#39;s say I&amp;#39;m talking about a cost imposed on me by a car
accident. What I have in mind is that there is a difference between
what actually happened to me and what would have happened to me if the
accident hadn&amp;#39;t happened.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And when we talk about costs imposed
by climate change, it seems like we&amp;#39;re using the same sort of thinking:
the costs imposed by climate change represent the difference between
what happens to people in a climate change scenario, and what would
have happened to them in the absence of climate change. But as I&amp;#39;ve
said, what would happen to them in the absence of climate change is
that they wouldn&amp;#39;t exist. So how can we say that a cost has been
imposed?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&amp;#39;s my view that this is actually not a problem for
cost-benefit analyses at all. When we talk about what would have
happened if a particular event had not occurred, I don&amp;#39;t think it&amp;#39;s
necessary that it would actually have been possible for the event not
to have occurred. I might say, &amp;quot;What costs and benefits did I incur as
a result of being born male instead of female?&amp;quot; I couldn&amp;#39;t have been
born female; if my parents had a female child, it wouldn&amp;#39;t have been
me. But I still think we can ask such a question without speaking utter
gibberish.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some might be quick to point out that doing so would
involve a lot of serious difficulties, because we&amp;#39;d have to hypothesize
exactly what kind of life &amp;quot;I&amp;quot; would have lived, and we&amp;#39;d need to
somehow compare that life to the one I already have. In the same way,
it&amp;#39;s extremely difficult to establish what someone&amp;#39;s life would have
been like if climate change hadn&amp;#39;t affected them, and probably harder
still to compare that hypothetical life to the one that actually
happens. But it&amp;#39;s important to see that this problem isn&amp;#39;t confined to
situations characterized by the Non-Identity Problem. The same kind of
difficulties seem to be present when we ask, &amp;quot;What costs and benefits
did I incur as a result of majoring in philosophy?&amp;quot; And it seems to me
that any cost-benefit analysis is going to have to face these problems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So back to the real question: does the Non-Identity Problem create any &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;new&lt;/span&gt;
problems for cost-benefit analysis? It does if we think of costs as
representing harmful deviations from alternative possibilities&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;.  As I &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/01/do-future-people-have-right-to-inherit.html"&gt;pointed out&lt;/a&gt;
earlier, the concept of harm seems to include the idea of being moved
away from a baseline, and the sort of baseline we&amp;#39;d need to refer to
here is one where the individual couldn&amp;#39;t possibly be on the baseline.
If you couldn&amp;#39;t exist if certain things didn&amp;#39;t happen, then it&amp;#39;s hard
to see why we would say that you&amp;#39;re harmed by their happening. But
costs don&amp;#39;t need to be thought of as harmful to people. As I alluded to
earlier, I wouldn&amp;#39;t want to say that I was harmed by being born a male
instead of a female. My being male seems to be a necessary condition
for my existence. But I can still try to determine what costs being a
male has imposed on me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the fact that we can&amp;#39;t consider the
costs involved in future cost-benefit calculations to be harmful
doesn&amp;#39;t prevent us from being able to conduct the cost-benefit
analysis. But one thing we have to keep in mind is whether the costs
that we&amp;#39;d be measuring have any ethical significance. I want to think
more about that, so I&amp;#39;ll stop here.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=19413" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Discounting/default.aspx">Discounting</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/The+Non-Identity+Problem/default.aspx">The Non-Identity Problem</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Does the Fact that Individuals Discount Entail the Existence of a Social Discount Rate?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/15/does-the-fact-that-individuals-discount-entail-the-existence-of-a-social-discount-rate.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:09:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:19145</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>6</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=19145</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/15/does-the-fact-that-individuals-discount-entail-the-existence-of-a-social-discount-rate.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/02/cost-benefit-analysis-discounting-and.html"&gt;my last post&lt;/a&gt;,
I discussed the idea of discounting as it relates to cost-benefit
analysis. I reached the conclusion that discounting treats future
people&amp;#39;s interests as if they were less significant than our own, and
that if cost-benefit analysis aims to make people the best off, then
this seems like a bad practice. I received a reply from a fellow with
the handle of TokyoTom, which said the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Donny,
I don&amp;#39;t think that you&amp;#39;ve at all demonstrated that we don&amp;#39;t discount -
viz., that we try to make decisions on the basis that the preferences
of people who do not exist today should weigh as much as our own.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I
would disagree with that conclusion myself. Clearly individuals act on
the basis of their own preferences, which preferences may take into
consideration the supposed preferences of others, including future
generations. These others simply don&amp;#39;t have a vote on what my
preferences are - and is the collective actions of billions of
individuals alive today that similarly make decisions that bring about
tomorrow.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Tom (at least I assume his name is Tom) is
absolutely right to say that individuals clearly act as though value in
the future is worth less than the equivalent value today. If I were
trying to argue that people actually do make decisions as if future
people matter just as much as they do, I would be easily refuted. In
fact, I would be hard pressed to believe even that people behave as
though future people matter very much at all, never mind as though
their interests were equal to their own.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I never argued that
individuals don&amp;#39;t discount (in fact, I specifically acknowledged that
they do), or that individuals consider future individuals to be just as
important as themselves. Rather, I argued that discounting future
damage in cost-benefit analysis is unjust. What&amp;#39;s the difference? I&amp;#39;ll
try to illustrate with a series of examples.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let&amp;#39;s say that
we&amp;#39;re trying to decide whether to put a garbage dump in a neighborhood
populated exclusively by an ethnic minority (say, Hmong folks). We
perform a cost-benefit analysis to see what we should do. In the first
scenario, let&amp;#39;s say the Hmong folks in the neighborhood would prefer
not to have the garbage dump in their neighborhood, and the folks who
live outside of the neighborhood would prefer to have it there (not
because of any malice, but rather because they would gain use from it).
If (once we equalize for different valuation of money and all that) the
cost-benefit analysis shows that the outsiders would be willing to pay
more to have the dump than the Hmong folks would to not have it, then
we&amp;#39;d say that there&amp;#39;s a net benefit to putting the dump in; it&amp;#39;s worth
doing. And as far as we ignore all the problems with cost-benefit
analysis (that is, we don&amp;#39;t care what we do to the Hmong people as long
as it represents a net gain, and we&amp;#39;re okay with treating a single
metric as properly representing the wellbeing of these people), then
that&amp;#39;s all there is to it. The cost-benefit analysis has worked exactly
as advertised.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But now let&amp;#39;s say that the outsiders didn&amp;#39;t want
the garbage dump because they would benefit from it, but rather because
they&amp;#39;re evil hillbillies and they despise the Hmong people. The benefit
to them is not a self-interested benefit, but rather a benefit derived
from the cost to others. Perhaps if we give this kind of benefit equal
standing, the garbage dump goes in. But that seems like the wrong
conclusion. We might say the same if the garbage dump doesn&amp;#39;t go in
because the Hmong people don&amp;#39;t want the outsiders to get any benefit,
even though they wouldn&amp;#39;t really mind the dump being there. That&amp;#39;s why
most people who advocate cost-benefit analysis try really hard to
ensure that the costs and benefits they&amp;#39;re measuring reflect only the
costs and benefits &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;to the individuals they&amp;#39;re surveying&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Accordingly,
we wouldn&amp;#39;t want to say that the importance of future individuals&amp;#39;
wellbeing can be accounted for in cost-benefit analysis by seeing how &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;present people&lt;/span&gt; value their wellbeing.  What matters is how much &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;they&lt;/span&gt;
value their wellbeing. Once we recognize this, then it becomes clear
what we do when we discount their costs and benefits compared to
current people&amp;#39;s costs and benefits. What we do is to say that their
costs and benefits are &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;less significant&lt;/span&gt; than those of present people.  And it is &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;this&lt;/span&gt; practice which I claim to be unjust.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=19145" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Equality/default.aspx">Equality</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Discounting/default.aspx">Discounting</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item><item><title>Cost-Benefit Analysis, Discounting, and Climate Change</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/14/cost-benefit-analysis-discounting-and-climate-change.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:29:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:19064</guid><dc:creator>Donny with an A</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=19064</wfw:commentRss><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/02/14/cost-benefit-analysis-discounting-and-climate-change.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on the &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"&gt;parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I wrote a paper last semester on the notion of discounting future
damage (I&amp;#39;ll explain what this means below), and I wanted to revisit
the issue now that I&amp;#39;ve done a little more research, to see if I still
agree with what I wrote then. Basically, my paper examined how our
views of the proper role of discounting are dependent on our views
about what social policy is trying to achieve, and what kind of problem
climate change poses. Rather than putting my whole paper online and
critiquing it, I&amp;#39;m going to split it up into pieces and post each
separately. In my paper I examined four paradigms: (1) The goal of
social policy should be to allocate resources to their most efficient
uses, and climate change represents a challenge to accomplish this task
in a changing world; (2) The goal of social policy should be to
maximize the overall good, and climate change represents an obstacle in
the way of achieving this goal; (3) Climate change represents an
externality, and the goal of a climate policy should be to internalize
the externalized costs; (4) Climate change represents an overenclosure
of the commons, and the goal of a climate policy should be to remedy
this injustice. In this post, I will first go over what I mean by
&amp;quot;discounting future damage,&amp;quot; and then I will address the first paradigm
listed above.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So how does discounting play into discussions
about climate change? The most significant impacts of climate change
will not occur for a significant amount of time: we&amp;#39;re talking decades
or even centuries. The issue is how important that damage is compared
to the equivalent amount of damage today. In his essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.bepress.com/ev/vol4/iss3/art2/"&gt;Global Climate Change: A Challenge to Policy&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;quot;
Kenneth Arrow wrote that the dispute &amp;quot;...surrounds the appropriate
value for the social rate of time preference. This...allows for
discounting the future simply because it is the future, even if future
generations were no better off than we are. The Stern Review [a report
released by economist Nicholas Stern discussing the effects of global
climate change on the world economy] follows a considerable tradition
among British economists and many philosophers against discounting for
pure futurity. Most economists take pure time preference as obvious.&amp;quot;
So when we talk about discounting future damage, what we&amp;#39;re concerned
with is whether or not it&amp;#39;s acceptable to treat future damage as being
less important, just because it&amp;#39;s going to occur in the future.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So
with that in mind, let&amp;#39;s look at the paradigm of cost-benefit analysis:
policy should allocate social resources in the most efficient manner,
and climate change just represents a challenge for doing that. In its
most rudimentary form, cost-benefit analysis is a tool which allows
decision makers to allocate resources in the way that best matches &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;some relevant set of preferences&lt;/span&gt;.
For social decision makers, the relevant set of preferences would
clearly be those of society as a whole. Since groups are composed of
individuals, advocates of the cost-benefit approach feel that it is
reasonable to extrapolate society&amp;#39;s preferences from the preferences of
individuals. This view is implicit in the position taken by economist
Jerry Taylor, &lt;a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2006/11/28/nordhaus-vs-stern/"&gt;who favors&lt;/a&gt;
discounting future damage at a rate of 5% per year, because it
&amp;quot;...matches the return on Treasury bills - or, put another way, [it is]
the figure people apply themselves when considering the value of money
today versus the value of money tomorrow.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because the simple
cost-benefit perspective considers society as if it were a single
decision maker, needing only to allocate its own resources according to
its preferences, it is immediately clear why discounting would seem
obvious. The existence of a preference for value sooner rather than
later is a basic economic assumption which is rooted in cold empirical
fact. From this mindset, the question is not whether to use a discount
rate, rather what discount rate to use. Some, like Jerry Taylor, use
the discounting practices of the current marketplace. Others, like
economists Richard Newell and William Pizer, &lt;a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&amp;amp;_udi=B6V2W-4985V6J-5&amp;amp;_user=10&amp;amp;_coverDate=03%2F31%2F2004&amp;amp;_rdoc=8&amp;amp;_fmt=summary&amp;amp;_orig=browse&amp;amp;_srch=doc-info%28%23toc%235713%232004%23999679995%23456003%23FLA%23display%23Volume%29&amp;amp;_cdi=5713&amp;amp;_sort=d&amp;amp;_docanchor=&amp;amp;_ct=11&amp;amp;_acct=C000050221&amp;amp;_version=1&amp;amp;_urlVersion=0&amp;amp;_userid=10&amp;amp;md5=b8579c49df33bc7de6f835623b6e9d11"&gt;try to predict&lt;/a&gt;
how market discounting practices will vary over the discounting period,
suggesting a plausible range of 2-7%. But to debate the validity of
using discounting practices at all would be like asking a banker
whether she thought she should charge interest on a loan, or asking an
investor whether he cared about getting a return on his money.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So
if we accept the view sketched above, it&amp;#39;s clear that discounting is
not only acceptable, but almost obvious. But what should we think of
this view? I want to offer a few objections. First, cost-benefit
analysis doesn&amp;#39;t properly account for the individuality of its
subjects, and does not take into consideration the idea that
individuals should not be sacrificed for the sake of others. Second,
cost-benefit analysis supposes that all harms can be quantified
according to a single metric, which doesn&amp;#39;t seem right. Third, even if
we ignore the first two problems, it seems like discounting is
problematic when you consider the goals of cost-benefit analysis. Let
me flesh these out a little.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first objection is basically taken from &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Anarchy, State, and Utopia&lt;/span&gt;, where Nozick writes, &amp;quot;...there is no &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;social entity &lt;/span&gt;with
a good that undergoes a sacrifice for its own good. There are only
individual people, with their own individual lives. Using one for the
the benefit of others, uses him and benefits the others. Nothing more.
What happens is something is done to him for the sake of others. Talk
of an overall social good covers this up...To use a person in this way
does not sufficiently respect and take account of the fact that he is a
separate person, that his is the only life he has. &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;He&lt;/span&gt;
does not get some overbalancing good for his sacrifice, and no one is
entitled to force this upon him...&amp;quot; I think Nozick is absolutely right
here; we can&amp;#39;t weigh future people&amp;#39;s interests and current people&amp;#39;s
interests as if they were all held by the same person. Some notion of
proper respect for each group as ends in themselves seems necessary,
and the paradigm discussed here clearly lacks that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second objection, that a single metric is a suspicious way to evaluate wellbeing, is taken from an essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/whp/ev/2006/00000015/00000003/art00011"&gt;Values in the Economics of Climate Change&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;quot;
where Michael Toman wrote, &amp;quot;One other critique of climate change
economics as a guide to policy involves the use of a single-dimension
new benefit measure for evaluating different outcomes. This reflects
the standard assumption in economics that all costs and benefits are
commensurable and interchangeable once expressed in a common metric (a
monetary metric as a representation of unobservable utility). There may
be serious measurement problems in implementing such a reductionist
metric, but as a concept the notion of full tradeoffs and thus full &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;potential&lt;/span&gt;
compensability of losses from climate change is ubiquitous in the
economic model. This view differs from alternatives that see different
kinds of values as less commensurable, e.g., some losses of natural
beauty or function simply cannot be compensated by other welfare
gains.&amp;quot; Personally, I tend to think that these latter kinds of views
are probably closer to being right. For example, if the Hindus of India
are forced to abandon the Ganges as a result of climate change, what
kind of compensation could we reasonably expect them to be satisfied
with?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But even if we ignored the fact that the cost-benefit
model is ethically suspect, and that comparing every harm according to
the same metric is methodologically suspect (never mind the fact that
we could probably never conduct the kind of calculation necessary),
there would still be another problem. The third objection arises from
the fact that calculations of &amp;quot;costs and benefits&amp;quot; are supposed to
reflect utility, and therefore social preferences. The problem is that,
as we discussed earlier, the cost-benefit model is perfectly
comfortable with the idea of discounting. In his essay, &amp;quot;Environmental
Risk, Uncertainty and Intergenerational Ethics,&amp;quot; Kristian Skagen Ekeli
pointed out that &amp;quot;To discount the future implies that current interests
and preferences count for more than those of future generations.&amp;quot; When
we say that future damage should be discounted, what we&amp;#39;re basically
saying is that &amp;quot;society,&amp;quot; which is supposedly neutral between its
individual members, prefers current people to be happy over future
people, simply because they live earlier. How this makes sense is
beyond me. It seems that if we were trying to allocate resources to
impartially reflect their most efficient uses, we would need to weigh
people&amp;#39;s interests as being equally significant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So hopefully
those objections demonstrate two things. The first is that cost-benefit
analysis is a really crappy way to deal with the issue of climate
change. But if we use it anyway (which I suspect people will do,
because that&amp;#39;s how economics is done nowadays), then we shouldn&amp;#39;t
discount future damage. To do so would treat future people as if they
mattered less than present people, and that seems obviously
unacceptable. I am, of course, conspicuously ignoring the &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/search/label/The%20Non-Identity%20Problem"&gt;Non-Identity Problem&lt;/a&gt; completely, and I want to deal with that issue, but I guess I&amp;#39;ll leave that for later. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=19064" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Equality/default.aspx">Equality</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Discounting/default.aspx">Discounting</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx">Climate Change</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category></item></channel></rss>