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Here&amp;#39;s another cool Hayek quote, from chapter 5 of his &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;New Studies in Philosophy, Politics, Economics and the History of Ideas&lt;/span&gt;, entitled &amp;quot;The Atavism of Social Justice&amp;quot;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;...there
can be no distributive justice where no one distributes. Justice has
meaning only as a rule of human conduct, and no conceivable rules for
the conduct of individuals supplying each other with goods and services
in a market economy would produce a distribution which could be
meaningfully described as just or unjust. Individuals might conduct
themselves as justly as possible, but as the results for separate
individuals would be neither intended nor foreseeable by others, the
resulting state of affairs could neither be called just nor unjust&amp;quot;
(58).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;ve been arguing basically that point of view
for a while, and this is far from the first time I&amp;#39;ve heard it
articulated by someone else, but I really like the way Hayek put it
here. But it also got me thinking. Hayek does use as support for his
argument the fact that the results of the market process are not
foreseeable. And it does seem to me that a great many people see
certain regrettable outcomes of the market process as quite foreseeable
enough to dodge this argument. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;quot;Perhaps the precise outcomes
of the process are not foreseeable,&amp;quot; someone might argue, &amp;quot;but we can
easily foresee that certain things will likely occur, like the
occasional occurrence of instances of extreme need. Even if, as a
society, we think ourselves justified in &amp;#39;playing the game&amp;#39; of
catallaxy (as Hayek puts it on page 60 and later throughout the essay),
we nevertheless might be able to point to certain predictable and
regrettable outcomes of that game and demand that they be &amp;#39;cleaned up.&amp;#39;
It&amp;#39;s on those grounds that I claim that we have some sort of obligation
to ensure that no one is left behind &amp;#39;by&amp;#39; our playing the game of
catallaxy. I cannot articulate, necessarily, exactly what that
obligation entails, or what is its nature, but to deny the existence of
any such obligation seems simply wrong.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that would be a
pretty fair line of attack, and I think it deserves an answer. I&amp;#39;m not
sure what I&amp;#39;ll find, but the question seems to become one which is
perfectly tractable within my notion of rights and duties. So I pose
for myself the following questions: Do we have a duty to help those in
desperate need, either collective or individual? How might we
understand such a duty, and what would it entail?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;ll be working on an answer to those questions over the coming months.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=49490" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx">Justice</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Equality/default.aspx">Equality</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx">Economics</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Collective+Duties/default.aspx">Collective Duties</category></item></channel></rss>