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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Brainpolice : Slavery, Human Nature</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Slavery/Human+Nature/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Slavery, Human Nature</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Two Philosophies of History</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/04/12/two-philosophies-of-history.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:02:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:26595</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=26595</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=26595</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/04/12/two-philosophies-of-history.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;Political philosophies often involve views of history. There seems to be two fundamental views of history, as I have touched on in &amp;quot;&lt;a target="_blank" href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/03/09/traditionalism-as-stagnation.aspx" title="Traditionalism as Stagnation" class="null"&gt;Traditionalism as Stagnation&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;&lt;a target="_blank" href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/01/19/radicalism-and-moderation.aspx" title="Radicalism and Moderation" class="null"&gt;Radicalism and Moderation&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;. These two views are what&amp;nbsp;I would call the &amp;quot;conservative&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;progressive&amp;quot; views of history. I would like to elaborate on the ups and downs of both of these views of history and to explain why I ultimately side with a progressive view of history and&amp;nbsp;consider it to be&amp;nbsp;compatible with and perhaps even essential to&amp;nbsp;libertarianism. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The conservative view of history may be summed as either the desire to keep things the same or the romantization of the past. The progressive view of history may be summed up as a desire to see things change&amp;nbsp;or&amp;nbsp;the idea that things progress and evolve over time. By definition, the progressive view is more foreward looking, and as a consequence it is quick to abandon traditions. It easily leads to notions of social evolution. In contrast, the conservative view is pessemstic towards the future and consequentially clings to tradition and even aims at reversing history in some respects. The progressive view&amp;nbsp;could be said to be&amp;nbsp;comparatively optimistic because&amp;nbsp;there is&amp;nbsp;something to possibly look foreward to, and therefore it would seem like it has the potential to be radical and revolutionary, while the conservative view easily becomes reactionary and counter-revolutionary. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The marxist view of history, in which communism is proclaimed without proof as being an inevitable future stage of history, is an example of progressivism. On the other hand, progressivism of a quite different sort was espoused by Herbert Spencer, in which social evolution necessitates adaptation to man&amp;#39;s environment through increased individual freedom in accordance with the laws of nature. An example of&amp;nbsp;the conservative view&amp;nbsp;would be rigid religious or cultural traditionalism, in which changes that have occured in recent times, such as the move towards secularism and cultural tolerance, are radically opposed while systems of the past are held up as the ideal. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When understood in their proper context,&amp;nbsp;both views&amp;nbsp;have lead to both erroneous and correct conclusions.&amp;nbsp;The conservative view&amp;nbsp;always faces the danger of becoming primitivism&amp;nbsp;or ludditism, in which more simple, agrarian and tribal living of the past is considered the ideal. And progressivism always faces the danger of becoming unenthusiastic and desensitized to the present, or of becoming overly utopian by basing the allegedly &amp;quot;inevitable&amp;quot; future on false notions about human nature. Hence, the social evolutionist faces a danger of becoming more gradualist. Such was Murray Rothbard&amp;#39;s diagnosis of what happened to the social evolutionist Herbert Spencer as he aged. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But there have also been some good tendencies&amp;nbsp;on both sides.&amp;nbsp;The wise progressive possesses the insight that it is possible to improve conditions through both social evolution and revolution. They are aware that there things that have not been tried yet, at least fully. The progressive has reason for optimism toward the future. The&amp;nbsp;wise conservative&amp;nbsp;possesses the insight that there are certain basic principles or laws which are necessary for order to flourish. They are aware that there is much to be learned from the thinkers and writters of the past, and that there are some things that will never go away. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where the progressive may&amp;nbsp;err&amp;nbsp;is over the question of how to go about changing things and what to change to, and in exessive optimism. Change for its own sake, divorced from context, is not rational. Neither is a utopian view of the future. Where the&amp;nbsp;conservative may&amp;nbsp;err&amp;nbsp;is in the inability to aknowledge the changes and extensions that have been made upon the basic principles and laws of the past, and in their exessive pessemism toward the future. Tradition for its own sake, divorced from context and new information, is not rational. Neither is a utopian view of the past. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However,&amp;nbsp;despite such a neutral comparative analysis, ultimately the progressive view has certain benefits that is lacking in the conservative view. For as Frank Zappa once stated, &amp;quot;progress is not possible without deviation from the norm&amp;quot;. All innovations had to result from deviations from, modifications on and&amp;nbsp;the total abandonment or replacement of&amp;nbsp;past traditions. The conservative ends up functioning as an apologist for the status quo in the name of a false sense of realism, while inaccurately demonizing all progressive forces as idealist or utopian. The more successful progressive forces are, the more the conservative enters a state of desperation. At best, the conservative can only be a moderate, while the progressive at least has the potential to be a libertarian. The only thing that the strict conservative could concieve of abolishing is modernity, for when driven to their extremes the conservative effectively becomes anti-modern. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Allow me to apply these two basic views&amp;nbsp;via historical example. When there was slavery in America, there were three basic positions with respect to chattel slavery. There were the slavery abolitionists, the slavery reformists and the outright slavery supporters. In the context of the times, the application of the conservative view of history inevitably would lead one to be a slavery supporter or a mild reformist at best, for this view would treat slavery as if it were virtually an inevitable law of nature that always has been and always must be. In this view surely the abolitionists were far too radical and utopian. Consequentially, the conservative view could only lead to a passive acceptance of the existance of the institution of slavery while possibly trying to minimize its effects if one is slightly generous. Only the progressive radicalism of the abolitionists could truly represent a principled opposition to slavery. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The same principle applies to any other institution or tradition, such as the state. By their own logic, the conservative has no choice but to conclude that because the state currently exists and has&amp;nbsp;prevailed&amp;nbsp;in the past, it inevitably must exist by necessity of human nature. Indeed, the conservative view easily leads to extremely pessemistic notions about human nature that are used to legitimize current conditions and&amp;nbsp;institutions. All inequities can be brushed off as mere inadequacies of nature, and all positions of power can be legitimized as the consequence of inexorable laws of nature. Libertarianism and anarchism, in contrast, questions the alleged&amp;nbsp;legitimacy of the state and&amp;nbsp;consistantly applies the same human principles to state agents as they would to any other individual. It questions whether or not existing institutions and traditions are particularly necessary or ethical or logical at all. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The level-headed progressive does not necessarily have to be a starry-eyed utopian. For the progressive may very well grant that there will always be some degree of inadequacy and suffering in life. What they seek to abolish is not reality itself but the synthetic institutional framework that allows such things to be expanded and traditionalized. The constant charge of utopianism thrown at the progressive by the moderate or conservative&amp;nbsp;thus becomes a mischaracterization. The progressive&amp;nbsp;libertarian is neither a utopian or a conservative.&amp;nbsp;Rather, they are radical bastions of vigilance and&amp;nbsp;certainty. The libertarian stands on the side of social power rather than political power, and they do not cave in to moderate and conservative pressure. Neither would it be accurate to blame the&amp;nbsp;libertarian of being only against things and for nothing, for while they certainly may wish to deconstruct certain things they also propose the construction of new things. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The conservative is ultimately a mere apologist or shill for power, while the libertarian is a delegitimizer of power. While the libertarian has a possible future to look foreward to, the conservative is ultimately doomed because they are attempting the impossible: a static society. Despite&amp;nbsp;their sense of being realistic, the conservative refuses to accept the dynamic nature of reality. The future lies with the libertarians. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=26595" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Social+Evolution/default.aspx">Social Evolution</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Slavery/default.aspx">Slavery</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Libertarianism/default.aspx">Libertarianism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Philosophy/default.aspx">Philosophy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Human+Nature/default.aspx">Human Nature</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/History/default.aspx">History</category></item><item><title>Re: Moral vs Hierarchical obligations </title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/02/28/re-moral-vs-hierarchical-obligations.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:23:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:20317</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=20317</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=20317</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/02/28/re-moral-vs-hierarchical-obligations.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;The following is a response to this video &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoXjrlxDSL4"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoXjrlxDSL4&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dear Mr1001Nights,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unchosen positive obligations are indeed slavery, which should be obvious because the obligations are not chosen. In claiming or bestowing unchosen positive obligations onto other people, you are the authority that must face a burden of proof. The person who claims that others have unchosen positive obligations to them is the one who must prove that others owe some kind of debt to them. In the absence of any objectively definable debt previously accured, the claim is absolute hogwash. To claim an abstract positive right to the servitude of others is to claim authority over them by definition. By all accounts, someone who must fulfill unchosen positive obligations is engaging in involuntary servitude. Involuntary servitude is slavery. Who exactly will enforce these unchosen positive obligations? Obviously everyone is not going to just willingly fulfill them, and when we really start to think more deeply about it, it is impossible for everyone to universally fulfill such positive obligations due to geographical problems and the availability of resources. So some individual or body of men is going to have to enforce these positive obligations, especially for those who resist and refuse to fulfill them. Hence, your system already requires a heirarchy from the get go.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Positive and negative rights inherently contradict eachother because negative rights implies that one is free from unchosen positive obligations imposed by others. The only obligation they could be said to impose is for others to leave one alone. Positive rights bestow an obligation onto people to serve others. Positive rights lead to claims of entitlement to the labor of other people. The enforcement of positive rights onto someone who is unwilling to serve others inherently constitutes theft or extortion from that individual. If Joe has an abstract &amp;quot;right to food&amp;quot;, and Jack has food but doesn&amp;#39;t want to give it up, their in order for Joe&amp;#39;s alleged &amp;quot;right&amp;quot; to be fulfilled, either Joe himself or some agent or 3rd party acting on Joe&amp;#39;s behalf must confiscate the food from Jack. Jack has no choice not to serve Joe and pony up the good.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By all accounts, in the type of society envisoned by market anarchists, there is nothing to stop you from joining together with your fellows who all agree to such positive obligations and to form a community by which you all strive to fulfill them. This would be perfectly fine because all of the people involved actually chose the obligations and believe in them. On the other hand, if someone in this society decides that they no longer favor such obligations, and they do not have any debt withstanding, they are free to opt out of your community and flock elsewhere. I don&amp;#39;t know why it&amp;#39;s so hard for you to understand that your type of society is only one possibility out of many that may co-exist in an anarchy, not some monolithic model that everyone must abide by. Luke12000 and others have tried to point this out endlessly to no avail. There is no reason why your ideal society cannot exist as one option out of many within a larger framework. Market anarchists are not imposing their preferential society on you, so it would only make sense to mutually extend the same &amp;quot;tolerance&amp;quot; back in the other direction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The problem with the wage slavery arguement is that it applies to any society no matter what system or lack thereof is in place. No matter what system is in place, including socialism, resources are still scarce and material well-being still requires labor. Things must be produced, they do not just fall down like mana from the sky. It is therefore disingenuous to imply that &amp;quot;work or starve&amp;quot; only applies to a so-called &amp;quot;capitalist&amp;quot; society when it still applies no matter what type of organization a society is constituted by. &amp;quot;Work or starve&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;act or die&amp;quot; is not a human created set of choices, it is imposed by the necessities of nature itself. Humans must act in order to achieve the ends they desire. No social or economic or political system can make it so that some kind of production is not required for survival and material well-being. Put frankly, people can&amp;#39;t just sit on their asses all day and expect to have prosperity and material wants, because these things must be produced. What system is in place is rather irrelevant to this fact. This reveals an interesting paradox: your ideal society can exist within a free market, but a free market cannot exist within your ideal society.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another part of the problem with the wage slavery arguement is that it uses a nonsensical definition of coercion. In my understanding, coercion requires human agency, usually realized as a threat of force. But the wage slavery arguement implies that someone taking no action at all, specifically someone simply not giving their stuff or a piece of it to someone else, &amp;quot;coerces&amp;quot; that person into an unwanted circumstance. Noone actually physically forced you to work. Noone actually imposed starvation on you through their human agency. The negative circumstances created by a lack of productive action is simply a fact of life. Production requires human cooperation. One is perfectly free not to cooperate and not to produce, but in the absence of any mechanism that forces them to not cooperate and not produce, the negative circumstances that may come about as a consequence of this is truly no fault but their own, or, put somewhat more lightly, outside of their control and imposed by the inadequacies of nature. In either case, the wage slavery arguement is nonsensical in that it equates the inedequacies of nature to coercion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As far as the concept of solidarity goes, human beings inherently are not in a state of absolute solidarity. Rather, human beings are incredibly diverse. Each individual is unique unto themselves. Uniformity in traits and preferences runs contrary to how we work as human beings. People have their own identities as individuals and their own self-interest. Self-interest, however, does not negate all cooperation. To the contrary, as psychological egoism demonstrates quite well, people cooperate out of mutual self-interest. It is an error to assume that everyone&amp;#39;s self-interest inherently clashes at all times. It is in people&amp;#39;s rational self-interest to cooperate and associate with eachother and engage in a generally peaceful manner. What I see as being amazing about organic society is that cooperation flourishes despite people&amp;#39;s vast diversity and disagreement. An anarchist society is pluralist, not a uniform model for all of mankind. Market anarchism, when one actually understands it, is the exact same thing as anarchism without adjectives because it provides a framework by which multiple types of societies can co-exist. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have a nice day. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=20317" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Anarchism/default.aspx">Anarchism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Ethics/default.aspx">Ethics</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Self-interest/default.aspx">Self-interest</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Rational+Egoism/default.aspx">Rational Egoism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Consent/default.aspx">Consent</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Slavery/default.aspx">Slavery</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Human+Nature/default.aspx">Human Nature</category></item></channel></rss>