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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Brainpolice : Objectivism, Consistancy</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Objectivism/Consistancy/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Objectivism, Consistancy</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Morality, Rationality, Survival and the Law</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/06/03/morality-rationality-survival-and-the-law.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:27:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:36035</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>1377</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=36035</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=36035</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/06/03/morality-rationality-survival-and-the-law.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;I was having a bit of a debate with an Objectivist and we got into some questions about morality and&amp;nbsp;rationality. It related to the question of suicide, and I maintained that suicide is irrational but not immoral and that the individual has the liberty to commit such an irrational act. The Objectivist asserted that&amp;nbsp;irrationality is immorality. This doesn&amp;#39;t make any sense to me. I&amp;#39;d say that what is moral is inherently rational, but not that what is rational is inherently moral. Likewise, I&amp;#39;d say that what is immoral is inherently irrational, but not that what is irrational is inherently immoral. This is not a paradox when one makes a proper distinction between a vice and a crime or between that which is&amp;nbsp;unethical and that which is&amp;nbsp;merely incorrect or counterproductive. A meaningful distinction between ethics and aesthetics also helps clear up any confusion in this regaurd. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Consider the implications of combining the two premises that (1) that which is irrational is inherently immoral and (2) the law should reflect morality. I can think of endless things that are irrational and harmless to others in and of themselves that should consequentially be viewed as &amp;quot;immoral&amp;quot; and be outlawed under this logic: suicide, not taking a shower, not brushing your teeth, discrimating based solely or primarily on the basis of race, to continue to associate with people who hurt or manipulate you, to smoke cigarettes and do hard drugs, to pray, to go to church, to stay up for 3 days, to starve yourself, to bite your nails, to have promiscous sex with strangers,&amp;nbsp;to have a high time preference,&amp;nbsp;to not take care of one&amp;#39;s own property,&amp;nbsp;to not defend oneself and to be boistrous and loud. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All of these things are irrational and many of them are&amp;nbsp;unconductive to either the quality of one&amp;#39;s life or its continued existance, but I consider none of them to be immoral and think that all of them should be permissible and&amp;nbsp;legal. It&amp;#39;s not conductive to certain ends for me to buy certain products or patronize certain service providers over other ones. It&amp;#39;s not conductive to my long-term economic security to borrow and spend lots of money and not save. It&amp;#39;s not conductive to my long-term health to eat a certain way. But am I &amp;quot;immoral&amp;quot; for making a mistake in judgement or for merely being stupid or for having aesthetic tastes? That&amp;#39;s absurd. It&amp;#39;s not &amp;quot;immoral&amp;quot; for me to make bad financial decisions or have bad eating habits. The expression of aesthetic tastes in general could be viewed as irrational. There is no rational way to justify the notion that someone has an obligation to make a certain aesthetic choice because it happens to be the most efficient towards survival or happiness or prosperity, and in the case of happiness there is no way to determine what will make someone else happy. The logical end of this kind of thinking would seem to lead to the legislation of economic preferances in the name of utility. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One might object to this reductio as absurdum by trying to make a distinction between the law and morality, by positing that the law doesn&amp;#39;t have to reflect or be in accordance with morality, but one can only do so by opening up a pandora&amp;#39;s box of inconsistancy and accepting the evils of legal positivism.&amp;nbsp;This view&amp;nbsp;holds the law to be above morality and consequentially functions as a way to make moral inconsistancies and acceptions.&amp;nbsp;The inevitable consequence of taking this view is that&amp;nbsp;the law is quite blatantly turned into a&amp;nbsp;instrument of immorality. Using such an approach to politics, things that are immoral can be legitimized by merely appealing to its legality. Natural law, in contrast, holds the currently existing and positive law up to an independant standard of justice, derived from reason. Notice that rationality does play a role, but the natural law follows from morality. It&amp;#39;s not the case that everything that is rational is moral and everything that is irrational is immoral. Rationality in this context is only an instrumental&amp;nbsp;tool that is used to figure out what is moral and immoral. But it does not follow that everything that is a product of rationality is moral or that all irrational&amp;nbsp;actions are immoral actions. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rationality can point one to the most efficient means at achieving a desired end and it can point one to the most moral means to a desired end&amp;nbsp;(and the two aren&amp;#39;t necessarily always the same thing), but not all questions of persueing desired ends are moral questions. That&amp;#39;s the problem. Rationality can suggest that engaging in cooperative industrial production is more efficient to my survival and general well-being to being a hunter-gatherer, but it does not follow that I have a moral obligation to choose the more efficient means. I would assert that one has the liberty to go live as a hunter-gatherer, even if it is self-destructive or nowhere near as beneficial as the alternatives, and hence there is no real moral obligation to choose to engage in industrial production.&amp;nbsp;The question of whether to live as a&amp;nbsp;hunter-gatherer or as an industrial worker or producer is&amp;nbsp;morally irrelevant in and of itself. From my perspective, regaurdless of the utility towards life and prosperity of the choices in question, the individual essentially has free reign to choose whichever alternative they want so long as they aren&amp;#39;t violating any ethical or metaethical principles in the process, so long as they don&amp;#39;t force anyone else to pursue or not pursue a particular option. These become questions of personal preferance, regaurdless of any objective concerns about their utility. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems to me that Objectivists rely too much on the concept of survival in their ethics, which makes it take a sort of utilitarian turn. They use survival, or more broadly the achievement of desires necessary to fullfil the necessities of life, as the primarily justification for actions. That is, Objectivists essentially conclude that because liberty is necessary for survival and the achievement of certain virtues or benefits (such as happiness, prosperity and&amp;nbsp;healthiness), liberty is justified because it leads to those things. However, there are some problems with this view. While liberty is a necessary condition for survival and flourishing, it&amp;nbsp;does not gaurantee it. Someone could theoretically be perfectly free and not violate anyone else&amp;#39;s rights yet be unhappy, unhealthy, uneducated&amp;nbsp;and have trouble surviving. So it seems far too demanding on people to proclaim that people have an obligation to do that which is necessary to survive and benefit themselves. People have the liberty to persue their survival and happiness, and it is in their rational self-interest to do so, but they have no such obligation to do so or to choose the most efficient&amp;nbsp;means to doing so. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, it is irrational to not persue the&amp;nbsp;continuance of one&amp;#39;s life&amp;nbsp;and improvements upon its quality. But to consider people &amp;quot;immoral&amp;quot; for not doing so or not adequately doing so seems ridiculous. It also seems to me that Objectivists extend ethics way beyond interpersonal relations and into the realm of purely personal decisions. But for me, ethics is interpersonal and&amp;nbsp;thus purely personal decisions are aesthetic at best. Such purely personal decisions can be objectively evaluated as being &amp;quot;good for you&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;bad for you&amp;quot;, but there is no way to genuinely make them obligatory or enforcable and an unobligatory and unenforcable ethics seems like no ethics at all. It makes no sense to proclaim that one has a moral obligation to pursue and fulfill their rational self-interest while simultaneously say that they are free to not fulfil the moral obligation. Since I think that people are free to harm themselves or to&amp;nbsp;make bad personal decisions, I have no choice but to consider such actions morally neutral at best. Otherwise, the implication would be that people should be legally required to eat healthy, raise their children in a right way, read the right books and conform to&amp;nbsp;an endless sea of requirements in their&amp;nbsp;personal preferances. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One might object that if what I&amp;#39;m implying is the case, then ethics wouldn&amp;#39;t apply to a lone man stranded on an island. My answer is: yes, ethics indeed doesn&amp;#39;t apply to a lone man stranded on an island, because ethics has no meaning in such a scenario. There&amp;#39;s no one else to steal from, murder, lie to, cheat, and so on. There&amp;#39;s noone else to violate the rights of. One could do all sorts of things to further one&amp;#39;s own survival and happiness, but morality wouldn&amp;#39;t really come into the picture until you start introducing interpersonal relations. The choice of a man stranded on an island &amp;quot;to hunt or not to hunt&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;what materials should I make my home with?&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp;has no moral significance. Such decisions are not moral decisions but purely practical ones. Morality would only come into place with such questions in terms of how it affects the rational self-interest of other people, in terms of whether&amp;nbsp;or not&amp;nbsp;the means one pursues in the persuit of such things&amp;nbsp;violate the life, liberty and property of others. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another problem with this erroneous conflation of rationality and morality is that it essentially implies that holding irrational thoughts is immoral in and of itself. Thought crimes! It&amp;nbsp;is of course&amp;nbsp;true and important to realize that ideas determine the course of history. But nonetheless it is ultimately the realization of those ideas, or at least the attempt to do so, and the means by which those ideas are implemented that is immoral. Merely believing in false or irrational ideas does not make someone immoral, and neither would they be immoral for pursueing, spreading and enacting&amp;nbsp;those ideas so long as it is on a voluntary basis. Stupidity and&amp;nbsp;ignorance is not immorality. Being misinformed or just flat out wrong&amp;nbsp;is not immoral in and of itself. Believing in communism or the flying spagetti monster is a vice, not an immorality. Forcing communism or the church of the flying spagetti monster onto people is what would be an immorality. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems to me that the moral of the story is that the fetishizing of the mind and survival leads to some absurd implications and conclusions if consistantly followed through. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=36035" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Objectivism/default.aspx">Objectivism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Ethics/default.aspx">Ethics</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Consistancy/default.aspx">Consistancy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Utilitarianism/default.aspx">Utilitarianism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Aesthetics/default.aspx">Aesthetics</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Means+and+Ends/default.aspx">Means and Ends</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Philosophy/default.aspx">Philosophy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Human+Nature/default.aspx">Human Nature</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Crime+and+Punishment/default.aspx">Crime and Punishment</category></item><item><title>Objectivism and War</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/05/31/objectivism-and-war.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:47:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:35688</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>6</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=35688</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=35688</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/05/31/objectivism-and-war.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;So the other day an Objectivist wrote &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://www.dianahsieh.com/blog/2008/05/memorial-day.shtml" title="Objectivist Crap" class="null"&gt;this gem&lt;/a&gt; at their blog:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="padding-left:30px;"&gt;&amp;quot;On this Memorial Day, I would like to honor the three men of the American Civil War who understood the terrible need for &lt;a href="http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2006-spring/just-war-theory.asp"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="color:#47809d;"&gt;total war&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;: President Abraham Lincoln, General Ulysses S. Grant, and General William T. Sherman. Their vigorous prosecution of the war preserved the Union, the very first nation founded on the principles of individual rights -- and, at the time, the only such nation. In so doing, they ended the most loathsome violation of rights ever known to man: chattel slavery. Without them, without the brave Union soldiers who fought under them, America would not exist today.*&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So thank you, Mssrs. Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman. We are forever in your debt.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While a properly revised view of the so-called &amp;quot;civil war&amp;quot; renders this view highly absurd (since the civil war was not primarily fought over slavery so much as tariffs and secession, the war was essentially a case of the government attacking its own civilian population, Lincoln was a racist who more or less supported slavery and advocated deporting freed slaves back to Africa, Lincoln eggregiously violated the personal&amp;nbsp;rights of both northerners and southerners alike&amp;nbsp;in&amp;nbsp;the process of executing the war,&amp;nbsp;etc.) my concern is more broadly with what has unfortunately become the cliche objectivist view of warfare. Reading the commentary on this blog post by some of the objectivists is illuminating and disturbing. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Objectivists tend to blur the distinction between genuine defensive force&amp;nbsp;and pre-emptive force&amp;nbsp;or outright blatant initiations of force. They view outright invasions of territories as justified acts of &amp;quot;defense&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;retaliation&amp;quot;. Due to this warped view of the legitimacy of force, many Objectivists not only legitimize the bulk of wars in America history, they also legitimize our current wars and call for further foreign interventions in places like Iran and Venezuela. This is absolute lunacy! Objectivists have apparently soaked up neoconservative premises with respect to foreign policy. And they have the pompous audacity to do so in the name of &amp;quot;reason&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;objectivity&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;individualism&amp;quot;. Unfortunately, what they are really doing is diving head first into a sea of irrationalism and collectivism. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Objectivists&amp;nbsp;assert that&amp;nbsp;a tyrannical government loses its rights or legitimacy&amp;nbsp;(which is true enough at face value, although all governments are tyrannical and illegitimate in my definition) and conclude that they may be &amp;quot;retaliated&amp;quot; against. From the standpoint of the people tyrannized over by the government, I agree that they can rightfully retaliate against their own government. The problem is that the objectivists draw insane conclusions from a seemingly true premise, as they seem to think that if a foreign government is &amp;quot;tyrannical&amp;quot;, this justifies other governments not only &amp;quot;retaliating&amp;quot; against them but invading entire&amp;nbsp;foreign territories and waging total war against not only the foreign governments but the civilian populations. This is an absurd justification for initiating force against innocent bystanders. It also opens up a subjective can of worms in which different governments are treated as being better or worse relative to eachother, and legitimizing otherwise illegitimate governments in the process. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Apparently objectivists have no qualms whatsoever with targeting entire civilian populations. They rationalize this by essentially saying that those within the &amp;quot;country&amp;quot; of the &amp;quot;bad guys&amp;quot; bear moral responsibility for what their government does. This is a blatantly collectivist viewpoint. Someone who just so happens to be born within the territory of a tyrannical government is not responsible for what some&amp;nbsp;powerful men&amp;nbsp;in an ivory tower do. Punishing people for the crimes of others is not justice, it&amp;#39;s a monstrous injustice. Blaming and exercising force on&amp;nbsp;entire populations within a territory for the actions of their governments, which they essentially have no control over, is collective guilt. Objectivists are supposed to be the ultimate opponents of collectivism, yet when it comes to foreign policy they appear to be die-hard collectivists, treating entire &amp;quot;nations&amp;quot; as bearing responsibility for the actions of a few powerful men within them. In the objectivist paradime, innocent bystanders can legitimately be murdered in the crossfire of conflicts between governments. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is the objectivist response to libertarian criticisms of their highly disingenous pro-war views? They straw man libertarians as being pacifists. This is intellectually dishonest. Now, it is true that a libertarian can be a pacifist, but if one is intellectually honest it&amp;nbsp;should be&amp;nbsp;rather&amp;nbsp;clear that what libertarians fundamentally oppose is not all force but the initiation of force and&amp;nbsp;consequentially most libertarians are not pacifists.&amp;nbsp;Most libertarians&amp;nbsp;fully advocate self-defense. The problem is that what objectivists advocate is not self-defense but pre-emptive force and outright initiations of aggression. The accusation that libertarians advocate just sitting there and allowing oneself to be aggressed against by foreign entities is absurd. At least from the standpoint of the average America, they haven&amp;#39;t been aggressed against by any foreign people. The objectivist view is totally warped, as it is the America government that is aggressing against the average people&amp;nbsp;within foreign territories. It is precisely those people, the people the objectivists favor attacking,&amp;nbsp;who have the moral right of self-defense. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is interesting how objectivist premises that are correct in and of&amp;nbsp;themselves at face value can be turned around to critisize objectivists, since objectivism as a political doctrine contradicts its own ethical theory in many ways. What immediately comes to mind is their criticism of altruism, which I more or less agree with myself. It is my contention that objectivists hold an altruistic view of the military. That is, they seem to buy into the nationalistic premise that soldiers (particularly ones from your own country) are virtuous and sacrifice themselves for the sake of our freedom. In this view, our freedom depends on the sacrifices of allegedly brave men in the military and in the state apparatus. In my understanding, the objectivist view of warfare and foreign policy actually contradicts rational egoism, properly understood. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another contradiction is between the objectivist ideal of government and what they support with respect to currently existing governments. One of the more admirable traits of the objectivist political doctrine is that it is opposed to taxation. Yet the stance of objectivists on currently existing issues fully support making use of tax-funded government institutions like the military. How can people who proclaim that taxation is evil out of one side of their mouths simultaneously&amp;nbsp;claim that&amp;nbsp;tax-funded institutions are legitimate and advocate that they take particular policies? If objectivists were consistant, they would advocate the liberty of anti-war people to refuse to pay for their wars. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But while objectivism is supposed to be about objectivity and reason, consistancy is not a word that describes its political doctrine. The word hypocrisy describes it much better. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=35688" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Objectivism/default.aspx">Objectivism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Non-Aggression+Axoim/default.aspx">Non-Aggression Axoim</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Consistancy/default.aspx">Consistancy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Collectivism/default.aspx">Collectivism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Rational+Egoism/default.aspx">Rational Egoism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Altruism/default.aspx">Altruism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/War/default.aspx">War</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Libertarianism/default.aspx">Libertarianism</category></item></channel></rss>