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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Brainpolice : Natural Rights, Ethics</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Natural+Rights/Ethics/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Natural Rights, Ethics</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>On Amoralist Anarchism</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2009/01/22/on-amoralist-anarchism.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:18:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:82181</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>7</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=82181</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=82181</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2009/01/22/on-amoralist-anarchism.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ve been a part of numerous online social networks or general social groups online that contains some amoralist anarchists, who either are former libertarian anarchists who have come to reject libertarianism or they are anarchists who rejected libertarianism from the get-go and reached the conclusion of anarchism from a completely different conceptual framework.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the most personal level, the youtuber &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/D4Shawn"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336699;"&gt;D4Shawn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and the persona formerly known as Stodles (who now runs &lt;a href="http://fringeelements.ning.com/"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336699;"&gt;this website&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) are the two amoralist anarchists that I&amp;#39;ve interacted with most. D4Shawn used to be a libertarian anarchist, and made a &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/ReIgNoFrAdNeSs"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336699;"&gt;separate channel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; one day trying to approach anarchism from a more utilitarian or relativistic perspective, which has recently devolved into an ethical nihilism. Stodles never was a libertarian, he jumped straight from white nationalism to anarchism, which created some confusion about his position along the way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Both Stodles and D4Shawn philosophically reject libertarianism while still prefering anarchism. D4Shawn effectively claims that ethics is completely useless metaphysical mumbo-jumbo, and thinks that we should be speaking in purely preferential terms. Stodles even appears to go so far as to imply that any conception of ethics inherently leads to rulership. On the other hand, both of them practically take positions that may very well tend towards libertarian anarchism, but it is functionally a mere statement of preferance from their perspective. This starts to hint at the complications that leads me to see this approach as silly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While these amoralists may philosophicaly reject libertarianism, they essentially practically support it and they cannot completely avoid value-laden terminology. So while they may loudly proclaim their opposition to ethical principles and rights-concepts until they are blue in the face, they ultimately would like to live their lives in a way consistant with certain ethical principles and rights-concepts. While, unlike Stefan Molyneux, I am not argueing that this by itself proves those ethical principles and rights-concepts, it certainly gives reason for pause when comparing one&amp;#39;s behavior to one&amp;#39;s philosophy and may hint at a need to reanalyze the moral-practical dichotomy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anarchism is indistinguishable from anomie if there is an ethical vacuum. There is no such thing as a society in an ethical vacuum. Even if one concedes to the existance of some kind of subjectivity, I don&amp;#39;t think it logically follows that ethics is completely useless and irrelevant. An anarchist society either cannot conceptually be an anarchist society to begin with or will not last as an anarchist society for long if its philosophical and cultural norms deliberately undermine it. So it doesn&amp;#39;t make sense to act like anarchism is compatible with any set of values or to act as if all values are equal.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Various ethical principles can undermine anarchism, help foster it and widen its scope. Furthermore, merely having an ethical principle, wether it&amp;#39;s sensible or not, doesn&amp;#39;t necessarily lead to the use of violence to enforce it. Questions of the use of violence inherently are ethical questions themselves, and the behavior of an individual doesn&amp;#39;t always align with their philosophy. There really is no such thing as a person who has no ethical considerations, and this includes self-proclaimed ethical nihilists and various post-modernists. Noone can really divorce themselves from goals, reasons for goals and means towards goals.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Such things almost always have a reason. It makes no sense to proclaim that you favor a society in which rulership is normatively shunned, and then say you have no real reason for it other than preferance. To borrow Molyneuxian terminology, that reduces it to the level of &amp;quot;I like ice cream&amp;quot;. Surely, a cause such as anarchism is not at the level of &amp;quot;I like ice cream&amp;quot;. If one is putting foreward anarchism as a goal, surely one must explain why it is your goal beyond a mere appeal to the fact that your do favor the goal. It makes no sense to have a goal, and then proclaim neutrality as soon as the question of its foundation and application comes up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, by the very least, this ethical nihilism is highly impractical. If taken to its extremes, one is simply advocating anomie. If one is more practical about it, one is nonetheless sort of advocating both anarchy and anomie at once. On one hand, I think there&amp;#39;s a sense in which this ethical nihilism is harmless, since the ethical nihilist may practically take a libertarian type of position anyways and most people aren&amp;#39;t going to practically take ethical nihilism seriously. On the other hand, it poses a threat to libertarian anarchism to the extent that it encourages people to either think that anarchism is a pandora&amp;#39;s box compatible with any set of values or to ultimately reject libertarian values in the name of putting on a facade of neutrality. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=82181" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Anarchism/default.aspx">Anarchism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Non-Aggression+Axoim/default.aspx">Non-Aggression Axoim</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Ethics/default.aspx">Ethics</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Natural+Rights/default.aspx">Natural Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Libertarianism/default.aspx">Libertarianism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Philosophy/default.aspx">Philosophy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Stefan+Molyneux/default.aspx">Stefan Molyneux</category></item><item><title>Is self-ownership a misnomer?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/09/16/is-self-ownership-a-misnomer.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:47:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:51838</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>10</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=51838</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=51838</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/09/16/is-self-ownership-a-misnomer.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:x-small;"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If something is owned, then by definition there is something external to it that is doing the owning. Likewise, something that is owned is by definition something external to the agent that owns it. Taking this very basic point into account, does it really make that much sense to think in terms of &amp;quot;self-ownership&amp;quot;? For if the self is something that is owned, then it is being owned by something or someone else. So then what is this entity that owns us and yet is us at the same time? Surely if it owns us then it is not us, or if we own the thing in question then it is not us?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In short, we run into the problem of creating a metaphysical duality in which the self is split into an essential and unessential self or a dominant and passive self in which the body is merely something that is inhabited by a &amp;quot;soul&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;spirit&amp;quot;. One way of trying to get out of this problem would be to sever this duality into two separate entities, although the problem of explaining the existance and nature of this immaterial &amp;quot;soul&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;spirit&amp;quot; would remain. Another way of getting out of this problem would be to disregaurd the &amp;quot;soul&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;spirit&amp;quot; as a floating abstraction and to consequentially recognize the actual self as a coherant whole, devoid of any dominating metaphysical entity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The idea of an external metaphysical entity that owns oneself renders the individual into nothing more than the slave of an abstraction, for their actual material being is placed into a submissive position in relation to this metaphysical entity or this particular manifestation of it. Individual autonomy and self-realization can actually be said to come under threat as a result of such a concept. In reality, this abstract metaphysical self functions as a false identity and implies some sort of internal struggle. Such an internal struggle can only be avoided by casting out or denying such a metaphysical duality to begin with, at which point the actual self can be meaningfully recognized and rights can be meaningfully derived. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;None of this is being said to belittle the importance of individual sovereignty, but rather it is being said to save it from internal disintegration, while avoiding the problem of solipsism at the same time. This is a rather simple matter of recognizing the distinction between one&amp;#39;s actual self and that which is either external to oneself or non-existant to begin with. If such a distinction is not made, then there will forevermore be a confusing haze with respect to discussions about rights and their derivation. &lt;/p&gt;
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