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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Brainpolice : Libertarianism, Personal Freedom</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Libertarianism/Personal+Freedom/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Libertarianism, Personal Freedom</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Revising Self-ownership</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2009/01/08/revising-self-ownership.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:16:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:77522</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>473</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=77522</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=77522</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2009/01/08/revising-self-ownership.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;In various articles in the past I have made a monist objection to a dualistic concept of self-ownership due to the problems that an absolute mind/body dichotomy leads to. To summarize the problem: who exactly is it that is doing the owning? If I own it, then it is not me. If I am owned, than I am not the owner. One cannot be both the owned and the owner at the same time. Using the analogy that the mind owns the body doesn&amp;#39;t really work because the mind is also part of the body. There is a coherant whole in reality, the mind and body are not metaphysically detached to the point where we can treat them as completely independant entities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hence, the way in which libertarians commonly put foreward the concept of self-ownership is flawed and must be revised to what is really meant by the concept, I.E. individual sovereignty, which is an ethical concept rather than a descriptive one. The problem is that when libertarians argue for self-ownership, they tend to treat it as if it was descriptive. So they will put foreward an argument along the lines of what Hans Hoppe&amp;#39;s argumentation ethics and Stefan Molyneux&amp;#39;s UPB would put foreward: that by virtue of you argueing and generally purposefully acting, you implicitly aknowledge self-ownership. But this is to totally confuse an is with an ought, or descriptive ethics and normative ethics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It goes so far as to completely conflate categories of philosophy and definitions, as this reduces to an attempt to make a metaphysical argument for self-ownership. &amp;quot;Individual sovereignty&amp;quot; is really what is usually meant by the term self-ownership, but it is also often used as a sort of mix of different concepts like conciousness, free will and individual sovereignty. This is the sense in which I think the self-contradiction argument starts to fall apart, because conciousness or free will by themselves, while they are a necessary condition for personal sovereignty, are not the same thing as the ethical right of personal sovereignty. So the argument may apply to those who deny conciousness and free will, but it is ultimately erroneous to characterize arguements against self-ownership and property rights as necessarily being in denial of conciousness or free will. In this way, I think that self-ownership has a danger of being used as a package deal concept.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What&amp;#39;s in dispute is not necessarily conciousness or free will, I.E. the capacity to have individual sovereignty as opposed to the substance of having individual sovereignty itself, what&amp;#39;s in dispute is a specific ethical theory or principle. Therefore it does not make any sense to put foreward purely descriptive arguments as if they justify a particular ethical premise by themselves. Proving that someone has conciosness and free will is simply not a sufficient proof by itself for the ethical right of individual sovereignty, and neither is the mere fact that individual sovereignty is internally consistant as a concept (although half the problem here is that libertarians themselves aren&amp;#39;t always internally consistant in their definition or use of the concept). &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=77522" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Ethics/default.aspx">Ethics</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Personal+Freedom/default.aspx">Personal Freedom</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Individual+Sovereignty/default.aspx">Individual Sovereignty</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Libertarianism/default.aspx">Libertarianism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Philosophy/default.aspx">Philosophy</category></item><item><title>"Plumbline Libertarianism" Pro and Con</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/12/18/quot-plumbline-libertarianism-quot-pro-and-con.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:03:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:72265</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>5</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=72265</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=72265</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/12/18/quot-plumbline-libertarianism-quot-pro-and-con.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;Those familiar with Walter Block should know that he advocates taking what he calls a &amp;quot;plumbline&amp;quot; approach to libertarianism that is neutral to the left/right scale or dichtomy. At face value, I agree with this if one is refering to the warped way in which the left/right scale is commonly construed in mainstream politics, since such a political spectrum cannot practically take libertarianism or anarchism into account. And while the Nolan Chart is certainly an improvement, I also have some problems with it due to the use of a dichotomy between economic and personal liberty.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The essence of plumbline libertarianism is that it subsumes anything that is voluntary and that the &amp;quot;tent&amp;quot; of the libertarian movement can theoretically be open enough to accomodate a wide range of groups, and at face value I agree with this as it is basically the equivolent of anarchism without adjectives. There is a degree of overlap between libertarianism and various other positions and there is a wide array of personal preferances that can be put into a libertarian context. On the other hand, the &amp;quot;tent&amp;quot; of the libertarian movement is supposed to be narrow or closed insofar as it&amp;#39;s a question of voluntary interaction vs. coercion, and this is supposed to be represented by &amp;quot;the plumbline&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All this being granted, there are some serious problems that arise for someone trying to take such an approach to libertarianism, because one has to properly identify precisely where the plumbline is and what constitutes coercion, and it is at such a point that the internal divides of the libertarian movement become increasingly relevant. Various libertarians have completely different conceptions of where the plumbline starts and ends, and consequentially they have completely different conceptions of who belongs or doesn&amp;#39;t belong in the libertarian movement. Someone could claim to be a plumbline libertarian and yet be rather partisan or incorrectly biased in terms of where they draw the lines.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There also may be a danger of plumbline libertarianism devolving into an oversimplication or a &amp;quot;thin&amp;quot; libertarianism that treats the status quo as being more voluntary or just than it actually is and brushes aside all concerns that don&amp;#39;t directly relate to the use of force (although it may indirectly relate to it). Some of the vulgar libertarians seem convinced that they are simply remaining true to &amp;quot;the plumbline&amp;quot;, but they are actually misusing libertarian theory as apologetics for currently existing structures and relationships in the economy. It is not true that libertarianism has nothing to say about anything other than the state.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While I don&amp;#39;t believe that you need to have the exact same epistemology or metaphysics as me to be a decent libertarian, I think it&amp;#39;s important to emphasize that the philosophical presuppositions that are used to lead to libertarianism are not irrelevant because the &amp;quot;libertarianism&amp;quot; that they lead to may not necessarily be the exact same &amp;quot;libertarianism&amp;quot;. What positions one held prior to becoming a libertarian are also relevant, as they may still be reflected in someone&amp;#39;s interpretation or understanding of libertarianism. People tend to still cling to biases held prior to their introduction to libertarianism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In summary, I think that the notion of a plumbline libertarianism is sensible and noble at face value but it also poses certain dangers and it must be properly grounded in order to make sense. If it is not properly grounded, then it functions disingenously as a mask or cover for something more partisan or biased than what is being claimed. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=72265" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Non-Aggression+Axoim/default.aspx">Non-Aggression Axoim</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Personal+Freedom/default.aspx">Personal Freedom</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Libertarianism/default.aspx">Libertarianism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Philosophy/default.aspx">Philosophy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Vulgar+Libertarianism/default.aspx">Vulgar Libertarianism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Pluralism/default.aspx">Pluralism</category></item></channel></rss>