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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Brainpolice : Individual Sovereignty, Natural Rights</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Individual+Sovereignty/Natural+Rights/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Individual Sovereignty, Natural Rights</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Do slaves have "self-ownership"?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2009/03/16/do-slaves-have-quot-self-ownership-quot.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:31:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:104291</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=104291</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=104291</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2009/03/16/do-slaves-have-quot-self-ownership-quot.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;d like to extend on my criticism of Hoppe&amp;#39;s argumentation ethics by concretizing the point about the difference between &amp;quot;self-ownership&amp;quot; as it is used ontologically and &amp;quot;self-ownership&amp;quot; as it is used ethically. I realize that this point has been made in one way or another by others before me, but I am putting it in my own words and using my own conceptual framework to express it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If all one really means by &amp;quot;self-ownership&amp;quot; is the capacity to purposefully act (and this capacity, at best, is all that &amp;quot;argumentation ethics&amp;quot; proves), then slaves must be said to have &amp;quot;self-ownership&amp;quot;, since even though they are slaves their basic nature as human beings has not changed and therefore they retain the capacity to purposefully act despite being a slave. Liberty does not merely mean that someone has the capacity to purposefully act, it more specifically entails that their sphere of action is not infringed upon. A slave has the capacity to purposefully act, but their sphere of action is significantly limited by their master.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the problem with trying to prove &amp;quot;self-ownership&amp;quot; by treating it as an ontological given upon the act of argumentation. A slave completely retains the basic capacity to argue and act in general. Presumably, their state of slavery does not eliminate their will. And yet it would be absurd to proclaim that a slave proves that they have rights by engaging in argumentation. They could argue until they are blue in the face, but their rights would still be restricted by their master. In this sense, people are not &amp;quot;inherently free&amp;quot;, otherwise there would be absolutely no point in proclaiming that people should be free in the first place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The slave argues not because they have rights (and by &amp;quot;have rights&amp;quot; I mean their actualization, not &amp;quot;having rights&amp;quot; in the more basic sense of an ought), but because either their master gives them the permission to argue or they manage to argue in spite of their master&amp;#39;s control. In terms of the actualization of rights, the slave does not have rights, or at least not completely. And in terms of rights purely as a prescription, the fact that the slave argues by itself does not does not &amp;quot;prove&amp;quot; the validity of rights as a prescription. But if argumentation ethics is to be taken seriously and applied consistent, we would have to say that the slave is &amp;quot;free&amp;quot; and implicitly proves that they have rights by arguing. Surely this is nonsensical if not outrageous.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Clearly, the fact that people engage in argumentation is not sufficient in and of itself to prove that people have rights. For in all times and all places, people who do not completely have rights have engaged in argumentation! Upon them engaging in argumentation, it is not implicitly proven that they have a certain set of rights that is consistent with a specifically libertarian social theory. To treat rights as some sort of inherent ontological fact in this way is to confuse what the meaning and purpose of rights is to begin with. The purpose of a theory of rights is not to prove some sort of ontological characteristic that people inherently have, for rights are ethical norms and not merely descriptive traits. At best, they can only sensibly be treated descriptively upon their realization as ethical norms or as a description of such ethical norms as such.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What&amp;#39;s strange about Hoppe&amp;#39;s argumentation ethics is that it appears to be attempting to make an &amp;quot;ontological proof&amp;quot; of libertarianism. Unfortunately, there is no such ontological proof, because libertarianism is not an ontological fact. &amp;quot;Liberty&amp;quot;, strictly speaking, is not some sort of &amp;quot;natural state&amp;quot; that we cannot possibly escape any more than &amp;quot;tyranny&amp;quot; is such a &amp;quot;natural state&amp;quot;. Argumentation ethics seems like a naturalistic fallacy because it treats liberty as if it an intrinsic quality of all humans. Perhaps all people have the capacity for liberty, but the realization of liberty as such is not intrinsic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Furthermore, the attempt to derive a specific notion of rights and the general premise that people should have liberty from such an assumption of intrinsic ontology inherently is fallacious and bumps into the most obvious sense of the is-ought dichotomy. If liberty is some sort of intrinsic quality in this way, then there is no rational reason to argue that we should have liberty. An &amp;quot;ethics of liberty&amp;quot; would henceforth be completely pointless. On the other hand, if liberty is some sort of capacity that has not yet been fully realized, if liberty is prescriptive in nature and hence constitutes an ethical norm, then it makes no sense whatsoever to appeal to liberty as an intrinsic ontological fact, for in this context it is a goal that has not yet been realized (and hence in this sense it simply is not a &amp;quot;fact&amp;quot;).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=104291" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Individual+Sovereignty/default.aspx">Individual Sovereignty</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Natural+Rights/default.aspx">Natural Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Slavery/default.aspx">Slavery</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Libertarianism/default.aspx">Libertarianism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Philosophy/default.aspx">Philosophy</category></item><item><title>More On The Problems Of A Thin Libertarianism</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2009/01/20/more-on-the-problems-of-a-thin-libertarianism.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 01:53:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:81398</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>4</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=81398</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=81398</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2009/01/20/more-on-the-problems-of-a-thin-libertarianism.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;A number of years ago, Walter Block wrote &lt;a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block26.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#336699;"&gt;this article&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, in which he claims, &amp;quot;libertarianism is a theory concerned with the justified use of aggression, or violence, based on property rights, not morality&amp;quot;. I find this claim to be incredibly perplexing because, to my knowledge, questions of the justified use of aggression and property rights inherently &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; moral questions. Why wouldn&amp;#39;t they be? Individual liberty and property rights are ethical norms, and the process of clearly defining them requires a social philosophy. It seems to me that Walter Block is actually not being Rothbardian enough, given that Rothbard explicitly denounced taking a purely legalistic and utilitarian approach to libertarianism. That&amp;#39;s why he wrote &amp;quot;The Ethics of Liberty&amp;quot;, essentially as a protractor for libertarianism as a social philosophy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To act as if libertarianism is neutral to morality would be misleading. Libertarianism is not a purely legalistic theory or a legal system, it is a social philosophy that functions as a guide for evaluating legal systems and as a pretext for legal systems. Once the libertarian pretext for a legal system is established, that&amp;#39;s when there&amp;#39;s a cut off point beyond which there is pluralism or neutrality. But one cannot just conceptually superimpose whatever kind of legal system one wants onto libertarianism, as if it&amp;#39;s completely arbitrary. Libertarianism as a social philosophy provides a clear criteria for establishing a legal system; the legal system cannot undermine the ethical norms or it is inconsistant. Libertarianism cannot rationally be bundled with values or preferances that directly or indirectly contradict it, such as an authoritarian legal framework.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In short, Walter Block is conceptually putting the cart before the horse. A libertarian ethical framework provides the context for a legitimate legal system. A legitimate legal system does not create that context, that context must be established prior to the formation of any legal system. Individual sovereignty is not a principle that only applies after a legal system has been established. The non-aggression principle is not a floating abstraction and contextless axoim that somehow constitutes a legal system. It is a very specific principle that has a specific relationship to other ethical concepts and a specific definition of its terms. It requires a more integrated theory of interpersonal ethics to be made clear, otherwise it&amp;#39;s reduced to meaninglessness. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=81398" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Non-Aggression+Axoim/default.aspx">Non-Aggression Axoim</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Utilitarianism/default.aspx">Utilitarianism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Individual+Sovereignty/default.aspx">Individual Sovereignty</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Natural+Rights/default.aspx">Natural Rights</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Libertarianism/default.aspx">Libertarianism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Philosophy/default.aspx">Philosophy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Murray+Rothbard/default.aspx">Murray Rothbard</category></item><item><title>Is self-ownership a misnomer?</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/09/16/is-self-ownership-a-misnomer.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:47:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:51838</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>10</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=51838</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=51838</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/09/16/is-self-ownership-a-misnomer.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:x-small;"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If something is owned, then by definition there is something external to it that is doing the owning. Likewise, something that is owned is by definition something external to the agent that owns it. Taking this very basic point into account, does it really make that much sense to think in terms of &amp;quot;self-ownership&amp;quot;? For if the self is something that is owned, then it is being owned by something or someone else. So then what is this entity that owns us and yet is us at the same time? Surely if it owns us then it is not us, or if we own the thing in question then it is not us?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In short, we run into the problem of creating a metaphysical duality in which the self is split into an essential and unessential self or a dominant and passive self in which the body is merely something that is inhabited by a &amp;quot;soul&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;spirit&amp;quot;. One way of trying to get out of this problem would be to sever this duality into two separate entities, although the problem of explaining the existance and nature of this immaterial &amp;quot;soul&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;spirit&amp;quot; would remain. Another way of getting out of this problem would be to disregaurd the &amp;quot;soul&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;spirit&amp;quot; as a floating abstraction and to consequentially recognize the actual self as a coherant whole, devoid of any dominating metaphysical entity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The idea of an external metaphysical entity that owns oneself renders the individual into nothing more than the slave of an abstraction, for their actual material being is placed into a submissive position in relation to this metaphysical entity or this particular manifestation of it. Individual autonomy and self-realization can actually be said to come under threat as a result of such a concept. In reality, this abstract metaphysical self functions as a false identity and implies some sort of internal struggle. Such an internal struggle can only be avoided by casting out or denying such a metaphysical duality to begin with, at which point the actual self can be meaningfully recognized and rights can be meaningfully derived. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;None of this is being said to belittle the importance of individual sovereignty, but rather it is being said to save it from internal disintegration, while avoiding the problem of solipsism at the same time. This is a rather simple matter of recognizing the distinction between one&amp;#39;s actual self and that which is either external to oneself or non-existant to begin with. If such a distinction is not made, then there will forevermore be a confusing haze with respect to discussions about rights and their derivation. &lt;/p&gt;
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