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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Brainpolice : Ethics, Crime and Punishment</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Ethics/Crime+and+Punishment/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Ethics, Crime and Punishment</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Thoughts On Punishment</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/10/04/thoughts-on-punishment.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 05:56:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:55822</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>5</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=55822</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=55822</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/10/04/thoughts-on-punishment.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;I think I reject the traditional concept of punishment (this is not to say that I&amp;#39;m opposed to measures that compensate victims though, because that isn&amp;#39;t really punishment in the way I&amp;#39;m thinking of it, since the emphasis is on the victim&amp;#39;s rights rather than simply harming the aggressor). I have trouble seeing how punishment is anything other than revenge, and I don&amp;#39;t think that revenge and justice are the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The traditional view, however, is essentially that punishment is a moral remedy for a breach of morality. But I don&amp;#39;t see how this can be the case when by definition punishment takes place after a crime has already been commited, I.E. it is ex-post-facto revenge. It has no productive value whatsoever, it merely increases destruction to appease people&amp;#39;s desire for revenge. It does not actually correct the wrong at all; if anything, it&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;two wrongs make a right&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, putting someone to death in and of itself does nothing to remedy any crime that person may have commited. To be sure, it may ensure that the person doesn&amp;#39;t commit any more crimes, since they aren&amp;#39;t alive anymore to do so, but this does absolutely nothing to address the issue of why people commit crimes in the first place (and here I&amp;#39;m using the word crime in the narrowest libertarian sense of the term, I.E. a negative rights violation such as theft or assault or murder). All that&amp;#39;s really gone on is that another person has been killed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While there may be an extent to which the fear of punishment makes some people less likely to commit a crime, the fear of punishment in and of itself is obviously hardly enough to stop someone who&amp;#39;s determined to commit such an act to begin with, since criminals by definition are people who engage in such acts anyways regaurdless of the law or any possible punishments they may face. If anything, the ability of people to defend themselves, combined with social pressure or custom, deters crime far more than the mere fear of punishment could possibly do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It also may sometimes be the case that punishment has the oppose effect of detering crime. In particular, the current prison system essentially puts all of the criminals together (although of course a good deal of the people in there are there for victimless crimes) in a place where they can train as criminals and form criminal alliances. The vast majority of people who go to prison and make it out end up repeating the same behaviors or going on to engage in worse activities than before. Indeed, people who were otherwise peaceful citezens before can be made into criminals by their prison experience. There is a vicious cycle at play.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is of course true that the fact that someone is in prison ensures that they can&amp;#39;t commit crimes with regaurd to people in society, since they are isolated from society. Of course, the reductio ad absurdum this thinking leads to is locking everyone up in cells for their entire lives on the grounds that they might commit crimes in the future. In either case, the amount of actually serious criminals who are in lockdown for life in prison as compared to the amount of actually serious criminals who are running free is quite small, and it would be practically impossible to keep track of all of them. The fact that a handful of murderers are in prison hardly even begins to crack the problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The amount of people in society who are serious criminals (such as murderers) is likely fairly small to begin with. Outside of the criminally insane, there are very few people who would ever actually engage in an act as extreme as murder. It hardly seems to be the case that in the absence of draconian punative laws everyone would go around murdering eachother; a ridiculous argument from doomsday if I&amp;#39;ve ever heard one. The person who says that in the absence of such laws or the punishments that go along with breaking them they would have no problem engaging in theft and murder either has a very low moral barometer or they are simply deluding themselves. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=55822" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Ethics/default.aspx">Ethics</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Crime+and+Punishment/default.aspx">Crime and Punishment</category></item><item><title>Objects Are Morally Neutral</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/07/17/objects-are-morally-neutral.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:45:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:42205</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=42205</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=42205</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/07/17/objects-are-morally-neutral.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ve always been a stickler for the notion that objects are morally neutral. This notion usually comes to play in debates about gun prohibition, to counter people essentially claiming that guns are causal determinant for violence in and of themselves, but of course they truly&amp;nbsp;aren&amp;#39;t causal determinants, only instrumental means. A gun can be used to murder someone or to defend someone from an attempted&amp;nbsp;murderer.&amp;nbsp;In either case, the moral neutrality of objects has implications more far reaching than the issue of gun control. For example, there is the idea among some people that money is the root of all evil, but money is only a means and object that one can use for a plethora of purposes, both good and bad. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the case of both the gun prohibitionist and the &amp;quot;anti-monetarist&amp;quot;, an object is claimed to be intrinsically and absolutely&amp;nbsp;evil merely because sometimes certain people may use them towards negative&amp;nbsp;ends, and the abolition of the object is proposed as a solution. The problem is that no such intrinsic value exists in such objects, and morality judges actions, not tools. There is nothing about such tools in and of themselves that can be rationally assigned with moral properties. What matters from the perspective of morality are the actions that people engage in while using such objects. While the nature of an object may certainly be to facilitate a particular end, it is only the end in question and the way in which the object is used that can be morally judged, not the object itself. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some may nitpick and try to find acceptions to the rule by pointing to something such as nuclear weaponry, which can function for nothing but mass destruction. But once again it would not be the mere existance of the object itself that can constitute immorality, it would be the decision of an individual to make offensive use of them. Isolated from any decision on the part of people and interaction between people and the object, the object has no moral significance whatsoever. Personally, in an ideal world I&amp;#39;d like all nuclear weapons to be jettison into the sun. Of course, I don&amp;#39;t except that to happen. But all the same my own weariness about nuclear weapons does not stem from a moral condemnation of the object itself, but an awareness of the general danger of the object itself when used by human beings. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The moral condemnation of objects would seem to naturally lead towards primitivism the more consistantly that one applies it. What is contemporary industrial civilization but the extensive use of objects for the purposes of mass-production to appease human needs and wants? Instead of opposing power or institutional frameworks or bad ideas, the neo-luddite puts all of their energy into opposing objects, tools, instruments. They misplace blame entirely, effectively ignoring the role of individual action. They only emphasize the negative possibilities for how objects can be used while acting as if they have no positive use. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It should be fairly obvious why objects cannot be assigned with moral properties. Objects are not moral agents, they do not have conciousness or willpower, they do not think or act. A rock cannot be blamed for anything, it makes no sense to assign responsibilities to it. A rock can only be an instrumental tool for something that one can blame a human being for. It is possible for a rock to be thrown at someone to harm them, and it just as possible that a rock can be turned into a statue or carving or used to build a building. Indeed, treating objects as moral agents leads to absurdity, as such objects would have to be regaurded as if they were human beings. Surely one doesn&amp;#39;t want to end up&amp;nbsp;at the reductio ad absurdum of arresting&amp;nbsp;objects for disturbing the peace. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=42205" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Ethics/default.aspx">Ethics</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Philosophy/default.aspx">Philosophy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Prohibition/default.aspx">Prohibition</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Crime+and+Punishment/default.aspx">Crime and Punishment</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Primitivism/default.aspx">Primitivism</category></item><item><title>Morality, Rationality, Survival and the Law</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/06/03/morality-rationality-survival-and-the-law.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:27:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:36035</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>1377</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=36035</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=36035</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/06/03/morality-rationality-survival-and-the-law.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;I was having a bit of a debate with an Objectivist and we got into some questions about morality and&amp;nbsp;rationality. It related to the question of suicide, and I maintained that suicide is irrational but not immoral and that the individual has the liberty to commit such an irrational act. The Objectivist asserted that&amp;nbsp;irrationality is immorality. This doesn&amp;#39;t make any sense to me. I&amp;#39;d say that what is moral is inherently rational, but not that what is rational is inherently moral. Likewise, I&amp;#39;d say that what is immoral is inherently irrational, but not that what is irrational is inherently immoral. This is not a paradox when one makes a proper distinction between a vice and a crime or between that which is&amp;nbsp;unethical and that which is&amp;nbsp;merely incorrect or counterproductive. A meaningful distinction between ethics and aesthetics also helps clear up any confusion in this regaurd. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Consider the implications of combining the two premises that (1) that which is irrational is inherently immoral and (2) the law should reflect morality. I can think of endless things that are irrational and harmless to others in and of themselves that should consequentially be viewed as &amp;quot;immoral&amp;quot; and be outlawed under this logic: suicide, not taking a shower, not brushing your teeth, discrimating based solely or primarily on the basis of race, to continue to associate with people who hurt or manipulate you, to smoke cigarettes and do hard drugs, to pray, to go to church, to stay up for 3 days, to starve yourself, to bite your nails, to have promiscous sex with strangers,&amp;nbsp;to have a high time preference,&amp;nbsp;to not take care of one&amp;#39;s own property,&amp;nbsp;to not defend oneself and to be boistrous and loud. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All of these things are irrational and many of them are&amp;nbsp;unconductive to either the quality of one&amp;#39;s life or its continued existance, but I consider none of them to be immoral and think that all of them should be permissible and&amp;nbsp;legal. It&amp;#39;s not conductive to certain ends for me to buy certain products or patronize certain service providers over other ones. It&amp;#39;s not conductive to my long-term economic security to borrow and spend lots of money and not save. It&amp;#39;s not conductive to my long-term health to eat a certain way. But am I &amp;quot;immoral&amp;quot; for making a mistake in judgement or for merely being stupid or for having aesthetic tastes? That&amp;#39;s absurd. It&amp;#39;s not &amp;quot;immoral&amp;quot; for me to make bad financial decisions or have bad eating habits. The expression of aesthetic tastes in general could be viewed as irrational. There is no rational way to justify the notion that someone has an obligation to make a certain aesthetic choice because it happens to be the most efficient towards survival or happiness or prosperity, and in the case of happiness there is no way to determine what will make someone else happy. The logical end of this kind of thinking would seem to lead to the legislation of economic preferances in the name of utility. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One might object to this reductio as absurdum by trying to make a distinction between the law and morality, by positing that the law doesn&amp;#39;t have to reflect or be in accordance with morality, but one can only do so by opening up a pandora&amp;#39;s box of inconsistancy and accepting the evils of legal positivism.&amp;nbsp;This view&amp;nbsp;holds the law to be above morality and consequentially functions as a way to make moral inconsistancies and acceptions.&amp;nbsp;The inevitable consequence of taking this view is that&amp;nbsp;the law is quite blatantly turned into a&amp;nbsp;instrument of immorality. Using such an approach to politics, things that are immoral can be legitimized by merely appealing to its legality. Natural law, in contrast, holds the currently existing and positive law up to an independant standard of justice, derived from reason. Notice that rationality does play a role, but the natural law follows from morality. It&amp;#39;s not the case that everything that is rational is moral and everything that is irrational is immoral. Rationality in this context is only an instrumental&amp;nbsp;tool that is used to figure out what is moral and immoral. But it does not follow that everything that is a product of rationality is moral or that all irrational&amp;nbsp;actions are immoral actions. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rationality can point one to the most efficient means at achieving a desired end and it can point one to the most moral means to a desired end&amp;nbsp;(and the two aren&amp;#39;t necessarily always the same thing), but not all questions of persueing desired ends are moral questions. That&amp;#39;s the problem. Rationality can suggest that engaging in cooperative industrial production is more efficient to my survival and general well-being to being a hunter-gatherer, but it does not follow that I have a moral obligation to choose the more efficient means. I would assert that one has the liberty to go live as a hunter-gatherer, even if it is self-destructive or nowhere near as beneficial as the alternatives, and hence there is no real moral obligation to choose to engage in industrial production.&amp;nbsp;The question of whether to live as a&amp;nbsp;hunter-gatherer or as an industrial worker or producer is&amp;nbsp;morally irrelevant in and of itself. From my perspective, regaurdless of the utility towards life and prosperity of the choices in question, the individual essentially has free reign to choose whichever alternative they want so long as they aren&amp;#39;t violating any ethical or metaethical principles in the process, so long as they don&amp;#39;t force anyone else to pursue or not pursue a particular option. These become questions of personal preferance, regaurdless of any objective concerns about their utility. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems to me that Objectivists rely too much on the concept of survival in their ethics, which makes it take a sort of utilitarian turn. They use survival, or more broadly the achievement of desires necessary to fullfil the necessities of life, as the primarily justification for actions. That is, Objectivists essentially conclude that because liberty is necessary for survival and the achievement of certain virtues or benefits (such as happiness, prosperity and&amp;nbsp;healthiness), liberty is justified because it leads to those things. However, there are some problems with this view. While liberty is a necessary condition for survival and flourishing, it&amp;nbsp;does not gaurantee it. Someone could theoretically be perfectly free and not violate anyone else&amp;#39;s rights yet be unhappy, unhealthy, uneducated&amp;nbsp;and have trouble surviving. So it seems far too demanding on people to proclaim that people have an obligation to do that which is necessary to survive and benefit themselves. People have the liberty to persue their survival and happiness, and it is in their rational self-interest to do so, but they have no such obligation to do so or to choose the most efficient&amp;nbsp;means to doing so. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, it is irrational to not persue the&amp;nbsp;continuance of one&amp;#39;s life&amp;nbsp;and improvements upon its quality. But to consider people &amp;quot;immoral&amp;quot; for not doing so or not adequately doing so seems ridiculous. It also seems to me that Objectivists extend ethics way beyond interpersonal relations and into the realm of purely personal decisions. But for me, ethics is interpersonal and&amp;nbsp;thus purely personal decisions are aesthetic at best. Such purely personal decisions can be objectively evaluated as being &amp;quot;good for you&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;bad for you&amp;quot;, but there is no way to genuinely make them obligatory or enforcable and an unobligatory and unenforcable ethics seems like no ethics at all. It makes no sense to proclaim that one has a moral obligation to pursue and fulfill their rational self-interest while simultaneously say that they are free to not fulfil the moral obligation. Since I think that people are free to harm themselves or to&amp;nbsp;make bad personal decisions, I have no choice but to consider such actions morally neutral at best. Otherwise, the implication would be that people should be legally required to eat healthy, raise their children in a right way, read the right books and conform to&amp;nbsp;an endless sea of requirements in their&amp;nbsp;personal preferances. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One might object that if what I&amp;#39;m implying is the case, then ethics wouldn&amp;#39;t apply to a lone man stranded on an island. My answer is: yes, ethics indeed doesn&amp;#39;t apply to a lone man stranded on an island, because ethics has no meaning in such a scenario. There&amp;#39;s no one else to steal from, murder, lie to, cheat, and so on. There&amp;#39;s noone else to violate the rights of. One could do all sorts of things to further one&amp;#39;s own survival and happiness, but morality wouldn&amp;#39;t really come into the picture until you start introducing interpersonal relations. The choice of a man stranded on an island &amp;quot;to hunt or not to hunt&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;what materials should I make my home with?&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp;has no moral significance. Such decisions are not moral decisions but purely practical ones. Morality would only come into place with such questions in terms of how it affects the rational self-interest of other people, in terms of whether&amp;nbsp;or not&amp;nbsp;the means one pursues in the persuit of such things&amp;nbsp;violate the life, liberty and property of others. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another problem with this erroneous conflation of rationality and morality is that it essentially implies that holding irrational thoughts is immoral in and of itself. Thought crimes! It&amp;nbsp;is of course&amp;nbsp;true and important to realize that ideas determine the course of history. But nonetheless it is ultimately the realization of those ideas, or at least the attempt to do so, and the means by which those ideas are implemented that is immoral. Merely believing in false or irrational ideas does not make someone immoral, and neither would they be immoral for pursueing, spreading and enacting&amp;nbsp;those ideas so long as it is on a voluntary basis. Stupidity and&amp;nbsp;ignorance is not immorality. Being misinformed or just flat out wrong&amp;nbsp;is not immoral in and of itself. Believing in communism or the flying spagetti monster is a vice, not an immorality. Forcing communism or the church of the flying spagetti monster onto people is what would be an immorality. &lt;/p&gt;
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