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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Brainpolice : Collectivism, Marxism</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Collectivism/Marxism/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Collectivism, Marxism</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)</generator><item><title>Mikhail Bakunin and Collectivist Anarchism</title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2009/01/31/mikhail-bakunin-and-collectivist-anarchism.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:35:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:86263</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=86263</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=86263</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2009/01/31/mikhail-bakunin-and-collectivist-anarchism.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;Mikhail Bakunin was the Russian father of the strain of anarchism known as collectivist anarchism. He was initially loosely associated with both Karl Marx and Pierre Joseph Proudhon, and eventually he developed anarcho-collectivism using both of them as influences while deviating from them both at the same time. Bakunin&amp;#39;s anarcho-collectivism, which wasn&amp;#39;t completely developed until towards the end of Bakunin&amp;#39;s life, differs from mutualism and individualist anarchism in certain significant ways, but it also differs from Marxist communism in certain ways as well. While it does call for collective worker ownership of the means of production, Bakunin&amp;#39;s anarcho-collectivism is more along the lines of a half-way point towards communism since it still allows the renumeration of labor.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, there are certainly some similarities between communism and Bakunin&amp;#39;s ideas. Like the communists, Bakunin emphasized anti-theism. He reversed Voltaire&amp;#39;s quote that &amp;quot;if god did not exist, it would be necessary to invent&amp;quot; him to &amp;quot;if god really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him&amp;quot;. And like the communists, Bakunin had a materialist basis for his philosophy, which makes his economic analysis similar to that of Marx. The Russian, Polish and generally pan-slavic cultural context that Bakunin was working with was primarily a reaction to the royal or noble classes which were much more prevailent in such a context than in America and certain parts of Europe at the time. This helps explain the cultural trends towards collectivism that took place around Bakunin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But beyond this, Bakunin was actually a critic of Marx. He rejected the notion of a &amp;quot;dictatorship of the proletariet&amp;quot; and supported the notion of decentralization or federalism, and hence there is supposed to be free association between the communes in an anarcho-collectivist society. While the goals between anarcho-collectivism and Marxism were quite similar, Bakunin fundamentally clashed with the Marxist communists over questions of strategy, rejecting formal political strategy in favor of a more social form of revolution and what he called &amp;quot;the propaganda of the deed&amp;quot;. However, some controversy exists over the degree to which Bakunin&amp;#39;s notion of &amp;quot;the propaganda of the deed&amp;quot; is dangerous and has been used to justify violence, and individualist anarchists tended to shy away from the revolutionary methods of many collectivist anarchists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bakunin is known to have been a strong supporter of the Paris Commune of 1871, which was surpressed by the French government. Bakunin persisted in favoring social revolution over political strategies, which eventually lead him to be purged by Marx from The First International. The difference between Marx and Bakunin over how to go about reaching their mutually held goals became irreconcilable. Bakunin thought that Marx&amp;#39;s strategies would just lead to another despotism, which turned out to be a wise foresight. He strongly opposed the idea of seizing the power of the state as a method of revolution. In this regaurd, Bakunin must be credited as the first thinker to effectively try to depoliticize communism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bakunin&amp;#39;s historical significance in anarchism more or less represents the planting of the seeds for all forthcoming collectivistic variants of anarchism such as anarcho-communism and anarcho-syndicalism. At the same time, it must be said that he also represents the initial cause of a fragmenting of communism between Marxist and anarchistic strains. In either case, Bakunin was most definitely a key figure in the history of anarchism. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=86263" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Anarchism/default.aspx">Anarchism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Collectivism/default.aspx">Collectivism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Propaganda/default.aspx">Propaganda</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Religion/default.aspx">Religion</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Socialism/default.aspx">Socialism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Philosophy/default.aspx">Philosophy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Free+Association/default.aspx">Free Association</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/History/default.aspx">History</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Marxism/default.aspx">Marxism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Communism/default.aspx">Communism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Proudhon/default.aspx">Proudhon</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Bakunin/default.aspx">Bakunin</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Mikhail+Bakunin/default.aspx">Mikhail Bakunin</category></item><item><title>False Realism and Utopianism </title><link>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/06/25/false-realism-and-utopianism.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:26:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">944abf2b-d1be-4bf2-990d-438cb0e377e9:39208</guid><dc:creator>Brainpolice</dc:creator><slash:comments>7</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/rsscomments.aspx?PostID=39208</wfw:commentRss><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/commentapi.aspx?PostID=39208</wfw:comment><comments>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2008/06/25/false-realism-and-utopianism.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;p&gt;Conservatism is a defense of the existing order or past existing orders&amp;nbsp;as &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot;. Any potential alternative to the existing order or to the romantisized past order&amp;nbsp;is immediately brushed aside as &amp;quot;unnatural&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;utopian&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;idealistic&amp;quot;. In the conservative view, all existing inequalities are &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; in a sort of deterministic sense. The conservative strongly emphasizes nature over nurture to explain and&amp;nbsp;defend currently existing or past existing conditions. On the other hand, utopian left-wing ideologies such as Marxism strongly emphasize nurture over nature and hence attribute&amp;nbsp;the vast majority&amp;nbsp;if not all currently existing conditions and inequalities&amp;nbsp;to political, economic and cultural influences in a deterministic sense. Nothing short of a significant transformation in human nature can possibly obtain the ultimate end sought of a purely egalitarian society, and the desirability&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;implications of&amp;nbsp;such a purely egalitarian society is alarmingly&amp;nbsp;questionable upon reasonable reflection.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The conservative errs in considering the existing order or past orders to be inevitable into the future or that they can possibly sustain themselves perpetually. They tend to&amp;nbsp;ignore the extent to which inequalities are the effect of influences such as state intervention and&amp;nbsp;bureaucracy. The conservative tends to defend the unequitable effects of state intervention as if they came about naturally on the free market, and therefore concludes that currently existing disparaties between various groups of people are both inevitable and justified. When anyone proposes or attempts to change such conditions or the existing order in general in a significant way, the status quo is defended by the conservative. The conservative has little to no concept of the dynamic nature of society over time and fails to see the potential changes that can be made and&amp;nbsp;the advantages that can be reaped. Conservatism can be seen as a very pessemistic view in a sense, particularly pessemistic towards the future. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The marxist engages in the opposite error. They blame all existing inequalities and negative conditions on the non-existant free market and then arbitrarily proclaim that it&amp;#39;s just a phase of history that will inevitably be surpassed by a&amp;nbsp;collectivistic utopia, if only all the workers magically take over the state and somehow voluntarily dissolve it. The marxist does not recognize the degree to which state intervention is the primary cause or enabler of the inequities that they have so much distain for. They put themselves foreward as being proponents of change in the right direction, but what they ultimately have to offer is more of the same: state intervention and centralization. The actual cause of the problems which they aim to solve is precisely what they propose as a solution, and therefore their &amp;quot;change&amp;quot; isn&amp;#39;t a meaningful or beneficial one. They propose what in some ways amounts to an authoritarian heirarchy as the solution to authoritarian heirarchy or dictatorship as a solution to dictatorship.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The distinction between and reliance upon nature and nurture is often a false dichotomy. That which involves human influence&amp;nbsp;is often characterized as &amp;quot;nurture&amp;quot;, yet human beings are a part and product of &amp;quot;nature&amp;quot;. The real question is a matter of which particular parts or aspects of &amp;quot;nature&amp;quot; are influencing other particular parts or aspects of &amp;quot;nature&amp;quot;. There are some issues with the use of the term &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; to begin with. In a certain sense, everything and whatever the current state of affairs happens to be is &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot;. The only alternative to something being &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; would be for it to not exist, unless of course one is&amp;nbsp;proposing that there is&amp;nbsp;some kind of supernatural realm which would still&amp;nbsp;ultimately reduce to non-existance. That being said, it is&amp;nbsp;definitely nonsensical to consider all present conditions and all present forms of organization to be inevitable and a permanent state of affairs. Stasis is not &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot;. Organizations and organizational forms are never permanent in the grand scheme of things, so it would be more genuinely &amp;quot;realistic&amp;quot; to propose that the eventual dissolution of the existing order&amp;nbsp;is &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; and inevitable at some point. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While the conservative puts themselves foreward as a realist, they are truly nothing but a proponent of either stasis or &amp;quot;turning back the clock&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;the good old days&amp;quot;, which becomes their own romantic utopia. The extent to which they see current affairs as moving in an &amp;quot;unnatural&amp;quot; direction causes&amp;nbsp;them to&amp;nbsp;become reactionaries, desparately trying to cling on to old traditions. On the other hand, the marxist sees&amp;nbsp;the present as&amp;nbsp;&amp;quot;unnatural&amp;quot; and proclaims an inevitable utopian future to be a &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; progression. They&amp;#39;ve drawn erroneous conclusions from the basis of the hegelian dialectic, philosophy of history&amp;nbsp;and social evolutionary theory. Both involve the bastardization and politicization of science as a handy rhetorical authority and a&amp;nbsp;misguided appeal to either nature or nurture. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=39208" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Determinism/default.aspx">Determinism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Collectivism/default.aspx">Collectivism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Social+Evolution/default.aspx">Social Evolution</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Equality/default.aspx">Equality</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Philosophy/default.aspx">Philosophy</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Human+Nature/default.aspx">Human Nature</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/conservatism/default.aspx">conservatism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/History/default.aspx">History</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Vulgar+Libertarianism/default.aspx">Vulgar Libertarianism</category><category domain="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/brainpolice/archive/tags/Marxism/default.aspx">Marxism</category></item></channel></rss>